@@HeroesReforged Hey guys I heard some theory that Kang the Conqueror the villain in Antman & the Wasp Quantumania is apparently one of the 3 time keepers??? Is this comic book accurate? Is that feasible or likely???
I loved that they showed the Infinity Stones as useless jewels. In the comics, they only work inside the universe in which they were created (and the TVA exists outside all of that) so that totally makes sense. And it really nails home the idea that Loki's world-perspective and ambitions aren't really relevant here.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed this factoid (there was even a time when DC and Marvel crossed over and Darkseid got the gauntlet but it was incredibly weak in the DC Universe)
@@nkxseal8398 Well, the Teseract is just the Space Stone, so no. Notice how he never actually uses it when he has it, because it's powerless. As for a comic reference, here ya go: New Avengers (2013) #3 i.stack.imgur.com/4S9lY.jpg
Between this and "Endgame", the MCU really has gotten great "posthumous" mileage out of Rene Russo's Frigga. She really is the one character who could legit snap Thor & Loki out of their respective funks, and each give them new perspectives in some way. A great low-key display of a mother-son bond.
Who knows, maybe the way they're gonna do the "Jane foster got cancer" thing could be because she came into contact with the reality stone in its raw form....
14:29 Someone said that this whole moment Loki was watching himself and waiting for it to be a trick and that's why it isn't until we hear the neck cracking that Loki finally makes an expression of horror. And I totally didn't realize that until they said it.
At the denouement of the episode when Loki admits he doesn't like hurting people, what we're seeing is pretty much just Tom Hiddlestone explaining the motivation he's used to play Loki these past 10 years, I really like that.
Fun fact about the composer Natalie Holt; She was a backing instrumentalist for a finalist in Britains Got Talent and walked up the stage to throw eggs at Simon Cowell for ruining the music industry live on television. Such an iconic moment from 2012. Although I didn’t watch BGT because it’s trash, I remember it was all over tv at the time so I saw her gleeful face egging Simon Cowell so often at the time.
@@lagdroid0017 He has just always been a pumpous twat to be honest 🤣. Also, there something to be said about what he has done to the music industry. I put him up there with Piers Morgan as truly gross, arrogant, obnoxious media personalities. Piers is defintely more of a bellend though I would say. I would throw multiple eggs at him and worse things 🤣🤣.
After WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and now this, I'm betting every actor in the MCU is calling their agent and asking "When do I get my show?!" These actors must just LOVE the respect and character development this format allows.
I honestly think these shows might be the future for the MCU. The TV format provides the time needed to properly explore a character and their personality and as the past three shows have shown, they are also able to play with genre I would argue more so than the movies. I feel like TV would also be a way of avoiding the risk of creating more and more cookie cutter movies.
@@ryanhalawani2637 i agree. but i think these shows work so well, especially in their condensed mini season format, because the characters have already been established in the previous 10 years. there needs to be less development time put into introducing them and their motivations. Only slight reminders and then they concentrate on the Season plot.
@@KaySan666 Yeah thats a good point. I guess only time will tell as shows like Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel have main characters not established in the films. I'm willing to bet that inspite of that they will still have the same effect as Wandavision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and now Loki. But yeah part of what makes those shows so great is just how much the audience already knows about the main character.
One Great Detail in this was Mobius telling Loki that he brings pain, Suffering and Chaos but all so that others can become better version of themselves (Avengers). But now that Lady Loki is bringing Death, chaos to the timelines may end up bringing out a better version of this Loki Variant which is great.....
How do you know its lady loki? And dont hit me with that "its pretty obvious" or "look very closely" bullshit that person at the end could be any loki they were wearing a hood
@@tonyperez8750 if you see Loki's file that Moebius has, in sex it says "fluid", pretty much confirming Lady Loki exists. The fact that the evil variant is her is not sure, but probable.
This doesn't delegitimize the Infinity Stones at all, it shows how _significant_ they are considering how often they are recovered from variants across time.
The ancient one explained it best. The infinity stones are important for the flow of time. Take one out and you create a branch. That is why Loki was arrested.
@@ViolettaVie The Ancient One made it sound like removing an Infinity Stone itself is the reason for a branch, when really it's more like "this object has a part to play in this timeline's future, therefore removing this object, which happens to be an Infinity Stone, will branch our timeline"
@@loganbigmo I don't trust what the TVA said. I think the Ancient One was correct. Why else would the TVA office workers have so many infinity stones? The TVA is full of propaganda.
Man......! Elizabeth Olsen, Paul Bettany Sebastian Stan, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Wyatt Russell Now Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson Their acting is making me love Marvel tv shows more than anything ever made me like the MCU These actors know where they are and they deliver absolutely great performances.......its inspiring
1. *"I am Loki, son of Asgard, and I am burdened with glorious purpose."* 2. Fun fact: Miss Minutes is voiced by Tara Strong (aka Harley Quinn, Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls, Raven from Teen Titans, Timmy Turner from Fairly Oddparents, etc)! 3. Owen Wilson in the MCU is something I never thought I would see.
When Mobius told Loki he was born to cause pain and suffering and death all so that others can achieve their best versions of themselves, Loki lost a chunk of his soul
Yes! I'm the odd one out here in that TDW is my favorite Thor movie. I can acknowledge its flaws while also enjoying it overall. It just *felt* like a Thor movie, you know? The tone was just spot on. Ragnarok was...I'm not going to get into that here because I don't want to be flamed into ash, but let's just say I didn't like it.
I never grew to like the dark world unfortunately. There are elements I like, but I do find it a bit too cookie cutter in terms of plot and characters are a tad bit generic, no offence. Having said that, I think the idea of Malekith is very intetesting. We know from Ragnarok that the Asgardians were once an imperialist war mongering nation that conquered other realms. It would be a lot more interesting to show Malekith's perspective of that like show a young Malekith watch his people get eviscerated by the Asgardians and become a freedom fighter who slowly becomes more and more radicalized till he becomes the nihilistic villain in the dark world. I also feel the same way about Ronan. I get that he was always meant to fit the role of the generic villain but I think a tad bit more time spent on his backstory as to how and why he became so radicalized would've been better. But thats just me, I like the villains 🤣.
I'm loving that the show is bringing deep questions to the table. Destiny and choice. How insignificant "we" are in the great scheme of events. How things that "we" thing are all-powerful and all-knowing mean nothing. And also, Loki does say things that make me side with him, how can three entities decide everything that's meant to happen? You can make comparisons to real life too.
Yeah really love the existential philosophical questions this show is posing already. Also, I think its such a great dynamic for a show to have such an egoistic narcissist like Loki be forced to confront the existential dread of being in a predetermined universe where free-will is an illusion. That would drive any rational person mad but for someone as arrogant as Loki its a miracle it hasn't driven him catatonic lol.
@@ryanhalawani2637 100% especially because he's whole existence is chaos and having the liberty of doing whatever the hell he wants. If any of us are confronted with these things perhaps we'll go insane. This dude is keeping his shit together 🤣
Since you were reacting to WandaVision episodes, you quickly became one of my favorite reactors on YT. What I really love about your reactions is that you connect dots instantly just like I do. You also have good knowledge about the MCU and how things interwine AND you understand character's development in these series. I've read some rections from the people who said that this episode is really bad because there is no action and "the characters only talk and do nothing exciting". The hardest thing is to realise that you can't open their minds because they're too stubborn and ignorant. Anyway, keep the reactions coming and enjoy the rest of the week!
I think that in all of history the infinity stones were involved with some branching timelines like Loki. So when the person is removed from the timeline with a stone it ends up at the TVA. Plus I think the TVA is not actually in our universe exactly which is why the stones do not function. There have been comics where they do not work when they leave our universe..
Yeah I thought that too. I imagine the TVA is located in a region of the multiverse that exists outside of time and space. So its like an alternate universe but not.
I recall a DC/Marvel crossover where Darkseid actually obtains all of the Infinity Stones, only to discard them because they don't work in the DC universe.
I guess it's more appropriate to say that magic doesn't work in the TVA coz even Loki's magical powers were useless even after he removed the collar. The stones did work in an alternate reality in Endgame. As per the logic of Endgame, they got the stones from alternate realities.
@@anupamtiwari5587 they didn't take the stones from alternate realities, they took them from a point in the past of their timeline which created alternate realities where those particular stones they took are missing. Technically their stones never left the main timeline but they did create branching timelines where some stones are missing (which is what cap set out to fix at the end of endgame with the exception of the tesseract that loki took)
To be fair the TVA exists outside of the entire Multiverse in its own deep blanket of infinite space so of course the stones aren't going to work there and be basically useless but, that just opens up bigger opportunity
The best thing about watching you guys is the reassurance that you are pro at the comic book and movie history and culture etc. like understanding the references and having your theories and ideas. Watching others is amazing as well but there's a sense of "Ah I'm with my people" when seeing you guys react haha.
Guys, don't be deceived by Loki. He's still the God of Mischief, and this Loki is not the one who got good but the bad one from the first Avengers. And the best part: Loki saw in the projection what's going to happen if he gets good: he'll die. He's not gonna work for TVA but deceive them and work for himself. Now that he saw infinity stones are not the greatest power in the Universe, he wants the power of TVA.
All Loki wants is power and this looks like the ultimate power. He’s no upset that he died. He’s upset that he died with no POWER and did not achieve any of his goals.
i think loki will still cause mischief and try to outplay the tva but why is it so hard for you guys to beleive he's actually upset about his death/emotional about his family? loki has always walked the line of gray half of why he was going to hard in avengers was because he had to come through with thanos or he'd kill him he was definatly at his worst in that film and i won't say he's never done anything wrong but he's not pure evil either he's always cared for his mother and that is shown in the dark world immediately you can say it's because he had development but he was stuck in the prision the whole time with the thing with his mother and had a mental breakdown he didn't get along with his father uch but he obviosuly cared too or he wouldn't have been crying or so hurt when he found out he was a frost giant (which shocked odin and but him in odin sleep) in the first fight thor i could possibly say this version doesn't care about because he certainly resents his brother much like his father but i think like his father, deep down he craves their affection which is why he acted out the way he did and of course someone would be broken up over seeing their own death besides, no one was around when loki saw those clips so why tf would he be emotional if he was 'just playing them' make it make sense loki is a very emotional character good or bad and has done good and bad things again, THIS IS NOT saying he's lawful good and he's not going to try to trick the tva and use their power but that AND loki actually caring are things that can co-exist and make loki, loki one of the reasons WHY loki is popular is because he's more than a simple black and white villain he'll do whatever he wants to do at the time and that's the fun of him
@@nightfrost1891 It was real, his emotions about his family are what started him down this path but I certainly don't think he had some instant ephiany about his life. I think he wants the power of the TVA and I think he will start the multiverse of madness storyline.
No he really dosent, if he wanted power he would’ve happily taken Asgard’s throne, but he didn’t. He ruled because he was the only one. Loki isn’t this power hungry guy. Also if you bring up New York he was invading after his suicide attempt, year of torture by thanos, manipulation and control from the scepter. Also he was threatened with more torture is he didn’t comply.
I get why the Infinity paperweight joke rubbed some people the wrong way but I think people are forgetting that these are variant infinity stones rendered powerless just by being in the TVA. It's a separate bubble universe where everybody's (and everything's) powers don't work.
yeah, I think people took it out of context the infinity stones are still extremely powerful in their universe it just shows that TVA is located somewhere beyond space and time so any major power source has no meaning there.
"I was young and lost a bet to Thor"... Waitaminute.. Loki is like, 1,000 years old. The Cooper highjacking was 50 years ago. Loki wasn't 'young', or least hardly any younger than he is in the present day.
because the time is different for Asgardians etc it's mean to be that Loki and Thor around the first movie are kind of just growing up out of their teenage years, which would make sense they way they decided to play them
I personally am kinda of the theory that the TVA exists at the end of time, and when they talk about a vast multiversal war, it hasn't happened yet in the MCU, but the TVA isn't "in" the MCU, but oversees it, and perhaps every other universe. The DB Cooper thing is basically saying that Loki was in our universe during the 70s and the TVA were watching even that.
Very impressed by cinematography & scope. Owen and Tom play so well off each other. "NIGHTMARE" is a whole other section! Wasn't expecting them to go that far of him seeing his future. Woohoo!
And that very idea is so crippling to a narcissist like this version of Loki who is so obsessed with attaining power. The notion that there is a level of power that he will never truly achieve must be driving him insane.
@@ryanhalawani2637 not only that it’s also his place in the universe or whatever means nothing. His whole idea of being a ruler means very little. He wasn’t born to rule, his whole purpose is to bring together these certain people, bring out the best from his brother and a means to end for thanos and then to die that’s it. He also learns that his family did actually loved him but he was just too angry to see it.
@@Serenity113 Yeah most definitely. That why my favourite scene in the episode was his interrogation/therapy scene with mobius. So cool to see him get cut down like that but also finally have a moment of genuine introspection. The idea of him realizing his only purpose in the grand scheme of things is to bring out the best others like the avengers and be the villain of the story is so cool and really reminds me of Mr Glass from the film unbreakable. It captures the existential dread of the meta awarness of the fact that not only are you not the protagonist of your own story but you are also the antagonist on top of that.
@@ryanhalawani2637 existential dread seems to be the theme of this episode lol. That scene with the infinity stones and him watching his future of how he died reminded me those posters of the universe with the caption saying “you are here.” With an arrow pointed at a tiny dot amongst of other tiny dots. It humbles you a bit but for Loki and his narcissism it’s gotta be like a huge punch in the gut. Lol
I've just realised, an infinity stone from another universe doesn't work in a different universe. So the infinity stones they have in the drawer, will most likely be from other universes/timelines, so they don't actually work
My take is more "what is power to those that don't CARE about it?" Guys working towards the world as it is have no real motivation to fundamentally alter it in a major way, so why would they care about the means to do so?
People everywhere are saying they don't work in other universes/realities but that's eactly what happened in Endgame. The Avengers created a split reality to get the stones, although stitching it back as well. Magic doesn't work in the TVA is more appropriate.
If you watch the Disney+shows in their originally intended release order: Falcon/Winter Soldier, WandaVision, Loki; the story spins out from Earth based and grounded to magic and cosmic level powers to the Time Variance Authority and the multiverse.
I love how they handled the infinity stones because I genuinely was curious as to how the MCU would effectively move past the threat they presented for so long in order to give us something just as potentially dangerous to our heroes.
I think that Kang is being confined in the Quantum realm by the TVA and in the end of the Loki series, the TVA is weakened to a point where they can’t stop Kang anymore.
30:20 what cap did in his past is ignored because he is the one who gives Sam shield which is supposed to happen in the sacred timeline. He becomes new captain america of the future via "old" steve Rogers. Hence they didn't interfere because he still had a part in the sacred timeline, but we don't know what happened to steve rogers after he gave the shield to sam, maybe then TVA apprehended him.
I just keep coming back to that scene in Dark World when he’s holding the illusion and then he lets it go and he’s destroyed his cell and he’s really mourning.
Steve was in the main timeline, every time he tried to interfere with events he had previous knowledge of (wars, 9/11, whatever) then that variant Steve and the nexus timeline he spawned was pruned, preserving the Sacred Timeline. So yes, Cap did live in our timeline, he also lived in multiple other timelines, and yes he wouldn't just normally stand aside while bad things he could prevent happened. The TVA were just busy resetting all the ones that didn't sit and let it happen.
Great reactions as usual ! I cant believe that no one has put together(that I've seen) that Miss Minutes is a different take on Mr.DNA, from the first Jurassic Park.
Also, the Infinity Stones in Casey's desk dont work because the TVA is located in Null space. The stones can only work in their native universes and are powered by same.
I think Loki will be the best Marvel Disney+ show so far. It wears its inspirations on its sleeve, focuses on the characters’ emotions and arc thus far, along with giving us strange spectacle on a massive scale like Wandavision, and (based on promotional footage and my own speculation) will give us the best action for Loki both creatively and choreography-wise like Falcon/Captain America in Falcon and Winter Soldier. It’s going to combine the strongest parts of the two previous shows while also giving us a wholly original story. It’s gonna be a wild, emotional, and glorious ride. We’re only 1 episode in and I’m already hoping we get a second season!!
I’m sure there’s a few comments like mine, but I’m so glad Hector mentioned the score to the show. The first episode had a few music cues that really blew me away. Can’t wait to listen to it all. Keep it up, guys 🙌♥️
"Also that others can achieve the best versions of themselves" Man that hits deep, to find out that you exist just so that others can become their best through your actions. Makes you feel worthless, like you're not the main character even in your story. I'm so rooting for Loki to destroy the TVA and make his own fate.
Casting Owen Wilson might have been a stroke of genius. Mobius is the same character archetype as Agent J. Weary, I've seen it all but this feels new kinda guy. But with Wilson's natural earnestness he constantly takes the wind out of Lokis sails.
Since the first trailers I've thought that the statues of the time-keepers in the TVA look remarkably similar to Kang's look from the comics. In the comics Kang has countless alternate versions of himself from different timelines that eventually form a council of Kangs. Maybe, this is a stretch, but this council of Kangs are in fact the time-keepers in the show and the TVA isn't protecting the timeline but is in fact controlling it with an iron fist, thus Kang would have finally achieved his goal of conquering all of time. This would mean that the show would tie directly into the new Antman and the Wasp film where Kang is set to make his first MCU appearance. It is also worth noting that one of the characters in the first episode, judge Renslayer, is tied directly to Kang in the comics. If that is the case, perhaps the twist of the show will be that the Loki variant Mobius and Loki prime are hunting is in fact a freedom fighter trying to stop the council of Kangs and end their oppressive rule over the timeline.
As mentioned by New Rockstars, check out Natalie Holt. She threw eggs at Simon Cowell on that Got Talent show. A combination of her thinking he has too much power and sway in the music industry as well she was very upset those with instruments were not allowed to play. They were just there to look pretty and pretend to play. So she decided to egg Simon during the performance. And Disney was like "YES QUEEN!"
I wasn't surprised that the infinity stones didn't work because I assumed it was like the comics where they only work in their universe. And I assumed the TVA was located outside the universe. But most people seemed really shocked by this moment.
I will say, I do think this is the best of the three first episodes. But only because we do know Loki the best, so we really are truly invested. Wanda is personally, my favorite MCU character so I was excited for people to see how incredible that character is, but also how incredible Elizabeth Olsen is herself. She's been so overlooked until that show, but she's brought me to tears the most in the films. Between her losing her brother, then watching her struggle with killing those innocent people in Lagos, to her killing Vision. She's been incredible, so WandaVision made me excited for people to get on board with that character. This on the other hand, excites me in a broader way because this seems like a bigger story that's more connected with Multiverses than the other two shows because Loki himself is already a different version of Loki! So this episode had a bit more room to breathe because we do know Loki so well, we've already been introduced to potential multiverses, and we're now acclimated to the stranger side of the MCU. So this benefits from all of that.
Great reaction. :) 17:00 Anachronistic refers to anything, living or inanimate, being from another time period than the one being portrayed. Think of it like a T-Rex piloting a fighter jet. You either have a T-Rex in modern times or a fighter jet in prehistoric times. Or for a simpler and pretty common example, think of a movie set in the late 40s that has cars not made until the 50s due to a period research failure. LOL
I'm pretty sure the comics established the gems/stones only worked on their own universe. And the TVA is either outside time, or another universe, so everytime someone skews off with a stone they end up just getting a decoration.
“It’s a green lantern!” Legitimately made me laugh so hard and for so long that I actually had to pause it so I didn’t miss anything ffs! Idk why but it did 🤷♀️😅😉👍
In the comics, it's established that the Infinity Gems/Stones only work in their own universe(s); they're powerless anywhere outside it. If those stones came from universes/timelines that were erased, then paperweights would be about all they're good for now.
Mephisto confirmed in a surprise easter egg:- handheld device mentioned "TIMELINE SEGMENT: 616 432" which is refer to comic book Thor Vol 1 #432 dated May 1991. Antagonist is LOKI, MEPHISTO & ENCHANTRESS!!!
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@@HeroesReforged Hey guys I heard some theory that Kang the Conqueror the villain in Antman & the Wasp Quantumania is apparently one of the 3 time keepers??? Is this comic book accurate? Is that feasible or likely???
You can just give me Loki and Mobieus talking to each other across a table for the entire show and it would STILL be top tier
Yeah not sure about that one
Owen Wilson: Wwooowwwww.
Could Mobieus break Deadpool.
That’s basically what this episode was and it was great
10000000% agree with you. The scene after Loki realized who he has been and that conversation with Mobius was great.
I loved that they showed the Infinity Stones as useless jewels. In the comics, they only work inside the universe in which they were created (and the TVA exists outside all of that) so that totally makes sense. And it really nails home the idea that Loki's world-perspective and ambitions aren't really relevant here.
Thank you! Not everyone knows that, but yeah they only work in the universe they were birthed from.
now the infinity Cube on the other hand...........
Glad to see I'm not the only one who noticed this factoid (there was even a time when DC and Marvel crossed over and Darkseid got the gauntlet but it was incredibly weak in the DC Universe)
that what he once thought about everything is crushed right in front of him
Which comic shows they only work in their original universe? Cause shouldn’t the teseract he has work cause it’s from this universe
@@nkxseal8398 Well, the Teseract is just the Space Stone, so no. Notice how he never actually uses it when he has it, because it's powerless.
As for a comic reference, here ya go: New Avengers (2013) #3 i.stack.imgur.com/4S9lY.jpg
Between this and "Endgame", the MCU really has gotten great "posthumous" mileage out of Rene Russo's Frigga. She really is the one character who could legit snap Thor & Loki out of their respective funks, and each give them new perspectives in some way. A great low-key display of a mother-son bond.
Definitely
The guys are right, there's been a lot of effort redeeming Thor 2.
Who knows, maybe the way they're gonna do the "Jane foster got cancer" thing could be because she came into contact with the reality stone in its raw form....
@@davidramirez1021 And that was her best movie before she died. I think Endgame was her best appearance.
@@jeremybarnes3698 True. The one line alone 'I was raised by witches boy' *points fingers*
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Someone said that this whole moment Loki was watching himself and waiting for it to be a trick and that's why it isn't until we hear the neck cracking that Loki finally makes an expression of horror. And I totally didn't realize that until they said it.
God, now I wanna see Owen Wilson talk circles around Thanos and his delusions of grandeur.
At the denouement of the episode when Loki admits he doesn't like hurting people, what we're seeing is pretty much just Tom Hiddlestone explaining the motivation he's used to play Loki these past 10 years, I really like that.
Fun fact about the composer Natalie Holt; She was a backing instrumentalist for a finalist in Britains Got Talent and walked up the stage to throw eggs at Simon Cowell for ruining the music industry live on television. Such an iconic moment from 2012. Although I didn’t watch BGT because it’s trash, I remember it was all over tv at the time so I saw her gleeful face egging Simon Cowell so often at the time.
HA!
On behalf of everyone in Britain, we all wish we could throw an egg at Simon Cowell lol.
@@ryanhalawani2637 but why?
@@lagdroid0017 He has just always been a pumpous twat to be honest 🤣. Also, there something to be said about what he has done to the music industry. I put him up there with Piers Morgan as truly gross, arrogant, obnoxious media personalities. Piers is defintely more of a bellend though I would say. I would throw multiple eggs at him and worse things 🤣🤣.
I've been waiting for this
Wandavision: grief
Falcon and the Winter soldier: power and race
Loki: predeterminism
Wandavsion: grief
Falcon and the Winter Soldier: identity
Loki: destiny
@@brownvirtue Weirdly enough Loki has also been said to explore identity
The MCU is Calvinist.
Falcon and Winter Soldier is also about grief. They were both grieving for Steve and for the versions of themselves that he enabled them to be.
I'd say FATWS is more propaganda, racial injustice and trauma tbh. All the best stuff you'll find in a Captain America comics
After WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and now this, I'm betting every actor in the MCU is calling their agent and asking "When do I get my show?!" These actors must just LOVE the respect and character development this format allows.
I honestly think these shows might be the future for the MCU. The TV format provides the time needed to properly explore a character and their personality and as the past three shows have shown, they are also able to play with genre I would argue more so than the movies. I feel like TV would also be a way of avoiding the risk of creating more and more cookie cutter movies.
@@ryanhalawani2637 i agree. but i think these shows work so well, especially in their condensed mini season format, because the characters have already been established in the previous 10 years. there needs to be less development time put into introducing them and their motivations. Only slight reminders and then they concentrate on the Season plot.
@@KaySan666 Yeah thats a good point. I guess only time will tell as shows like Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel have main characters not established in the films. I'm willing to bet that inspite of that they will still have the same effect as Wandavision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and now Loki. But yeah part of what makes those shows so great is just how much the audience already knows about the main character.
I like the little anagram "End of File" File is an anagram of Life.
i felt so weird seeing that today i took a test and on my personal information. instead of saying "Student ID#" it said " File ID #"
I liked that too 😊
One Great Detail in this was Mobius telling Loki that he brings pain, Suffering and Chaos but all so that others can become better version of themselves (Avengers). But now that Lady Loki is bringing Death, chaos to the timelines may end up bringing out a better version of this Loki Variant which is great.....
How do you know its lady loki? And dont hit me with that "its pretty obvious" or "look very closely" bullshit that person at the end could be any loki they were wearing a hood
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@@tonyperez8750 it was a leak earlier this year
@@tonyperez8750 if you see Loki's file that Moebius has, in sex it says "fluid", pretty much confirming Lady Loki exists. The fact that the evil variant is her is not sure, but probable.
@@tonyperez8750 tbh, no one has to give you anything so yeah.
This doesn't delegitimize the Infinity Stones at all, it shows how _significant_ they are considering how often they are recovered from variants across time.
The ancient one explained it best. The infinity stones are important for the flow of time. Take one out and you create a branch. That is why Loki was arrested.
@@ViolettaVie any action you take that isnt in the plan for the singular timeline is cut. infinity stones arent that special in that regard.
@@ViolettaVie The Ancient One made it sound like removing an Infinity Stone itself is the reason for a branch, when really it's more like "this object has a part to play in this timeline's future, therefore removing this object, which happens to be an Infinity Stone, will branch our timeline"
@@whatiswhat8061 I think the ancient one was correct. I think also that the TVA gave us propaganda. I don't trust their narrative.
@@loganbigmo I don't trust what the TVA said. I think the Ancient One was correct. Why else would the TVA office workers have so many infinity stones? The TVA is full of propaganda.
Tom Hiddleston was doing a play in New York with Charlie Cox. On Halloween they dressed as each others characters. (look it up it's adorable)
Man......! Elizabeth Olsen, Paul Bettany
Sebastian Stan, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Wyatt Russell
Now Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson
Their acting is making me love Marvel tv shows more than anything ever made me like the MCU
These actors know where they are and they deliver absolutely great performances.......its inspiring
Specualtion: Mobius M. Mobius will, at some point in time, say 'wow' and the internet will lose its collective shit.
he will say it on a jetski
I think WandaVision was about going backwards, FatWS was about going forwards, and Loki's about going sideways then pulling off a sick barrel roll
Lmaoo that actually makes sense.
1. *"I am Loki, son of Asgard, and I am burdened with glorious purpose."*
2. Fun fact: Miss Minutes is voiced by Tara Strong (aka Harley Quinn, Bubbles from Powerpuff Girls, Raven from Teen Titans, Timmy Turner from Fairly Oddparents, etc)!
3. Owen Wilson in the MCU is something I never thought I would see.
1. Owen Wilson in the MCU is the best thing i didn't know that i wanted
2. Woow
Owen Wilson, Angelina Jolie, Matt Damon. George Clooney next.
@@hawkeye4205 well...Jolie and Damon ARE already in the MCU, o there's really just Clooney left
@@hawkeye4205 Christian Bale as well in Thor 4
@@rhythlodeus8821 Pretty sure that's what he meant. Look at the punctuation.
Hector gotta chill when he’s seen the episode before lmao he can’t help himself
I would be the same lol
Just shows the reactions aren't legit
@@blackmantis3130 because 1/3 hosts saw the first 2 eps early and was upfront about it? lol ok
@@wds1127 yes
Yeah Hector's gotta chill not to spoil the other two!!!
When Mobius told Loki he was born to cause pain and suffering and death all so that others can achieve their best versions of themselves, Loki lost a chunk of his soul
Adam: Feige is on a redemptive quest for that movie🤣🤣🤣 very true and I’m here for it cause I like the Dark World
All that's left now is Malekith. Liked him in the movie, next they should elaborate on him more!
Yes! I'm the odd one out here in that TDW is my favorite Thor movie. I can acknowledge its flaws while also enjoying it overall. It just *felt* like a Thor movie, you know? The tone was just spot on. Ragnarok was...I'm not going to get into that here because I don't want to be flamed into ash, but let's just say I didn't like it.
I never grew to like the dark world unfortunately. There are elements I like, but I do find it a bit too cookie cutter in terms of plot and characters are a tad bit generic, no offence. Having said that, I think the idea of Malekith is very intetesting. We know from Ragnarok that the Asgardians were once an imperialist war mongering nation that conquered other realms. It would be a lot more interesting to show Malekith's perspective of that like show a young Malekith watch his people get eviscerated by the Asgardians and become a freedom fighter who slowly becomes more and more radicalized till he becomes the nihilistic villain in the dark world. I also feel the same way about Ronan. I get that he was always meant to fit the role of the generic villain but I think a tad bit more time spent on his backstory as to how and why he became so radicalized would've been better. But thats just me, I like the villains 🤣.
@@amandas2639 I think it was a great movie... But that doesn't mean it was a great *Thor* movie
Marvel again manages to hook me with a character I hadn't previously cared that much about. Loved this first episode.
Sweet that the “end of file” wasnt when thanos snaps his neck… was when thor touch him
Amazing start to Loki! Definitely think it will be the best marvel disney+ show!
Aye its Timothee!! Love your channel dude 💞
You know there’s like 10 marvel shows
There's a real The Good Place vibe to this show as well as the MIB.
I'm loving that the show is bringing deep questions to the table. Destiny and choice. How insignificant "we" are in the great scheme of events. How things that "we" thing are all-powerful and all-knowing mean nothing. And also, Loki does say things that make me side with him, how can three entities decide everything that's meant to happen? You can make comparisons to real life too.
Yeah really love the existential philosophical questions this show is posing already. Also, I think its such a great dynamic for a show to have such an egoistic narcissist like Loki be forced to confront the existential dread of being in a predetermined universe where free-will is an illusion. That would drive any rational person mad but for someone as arrogant as Loki its a miracle it hasn't driven him catatonic lol.
@@ryanhalawani2637 100% especially because he's whole existence is chaos and having the liberty of doing whatever the hell he wants. If any of us are confronted with these things perhaps we'll go insane. This dude is keeping his shit together 🤣
@@ryanhalawani2637 I think he was figured it out. I also think that whole conversation he had with Mobius after seeing his death is part of the act.
Has Hector seen the second episode yet? It would be nice to see everyone's reaction fresh. Love the discussions you guys have.
Yeah but not episodes 3-6. Thanks!
Since you were reacting to WandaVision episodes, you quickly became one of my favorite reactors on YT. What I really love about your reactions is that you connect dots instantly just like I do. You also have good knowledge about the MCU and how things interwine AND you understand character's development in these series. I've read some rections from the people who said that this episode is really bad because there is no action and "the characters only talk and do nothing exciting". The hardest thing is to realise that you can't open their minds because they're too stubborn and ignorant. Anyway, keep the reactions coming and enjoy the rest of the week!
I think that in all of history the infinity stones were involved with some branching timelines like Loki. So when the person is removed from the timeline with a stone it ends up at the TVA. Plus I think the TVA is not actually in our universe exactly which is why the stones do not function. There have been comics where they do not work when they leave our universe..
Yeah I thought that too. I imagine the TVA is located in a region of the multiverse that exists outside of time and space. So its like an alternate universe but not.
I recall a DC/Marvel crossover where Darkseid actually obtains all of the Infinity Stones, only to discard them because they don't work in the DC universe.
I guess it's more appropriate to say that magic doesn't work in the TVA coz even Loki's magical powers were useless even after he removed the collar. The stones did work in an alternate reality in Endgame. As per the logic of Endgame, they got the stones from alternate realities.
The TVA's located in the Null Time Zone.
@@anupamtiwari5587 they didn't take the stones from alternate realities, they took them from a point in the past of their timeline which created alternate realities where those particular stones they took are missing. Technically their stones never left the main timeline but they did create branching timelines where some stones are missing (which is what cap set out to fix at the end of endgame with the exception of the tesseract that loki took)
To be fair the TVA exists outside of the entire Multiverse in its own deep blanket of infinite space so of course the stones aren't going to work there and be basically useless but, that just opens up bigger opportunity
The best thing about watching you guys is the reassurance that you are pro at the comic book and movie history and culture etc. like understanding the references and having your theories and ideas. Watching others is amazing as well but there's a sense of "Ah I'm with my people" when seeing you guys react haha.
Finally found time to watch Loki. After every episode, these reactions are the perfect dessert.
The music is phenomenal, and yes, that is a theremin! Played beautifully on this score
Guys, don't be deceived by Loki. He's still the God of Mischief, and this Loki is not the one who got good but the bad one from the first Avengers. And the best part: Loki saw in the projection what's going to happen if he gets good: he'll die.
He's not gonna work for TVA but deceive them and work for himself. Now that he saw infinity stones are not the greatest power in the Universe, he wants the power of TVA.
He starts the multiverse of madness.
All Loki wants is power and this looks like the ultimate power. He’s no upset that he died. He’s upset that he died with no POWER and did not achieve any of his goals.
i think loki will still cause mischief and try to outplay the tva but why is it so hard for you guys to beleive he's actually upset about his death/emotional about his family?
loki has always walked the line of gray
half of why he was going to hard in avengers was because he had to come through with thanos or he'd kill him
he was definatly at his worst in that film and i won't say he's never done anything wrong but he's not pure evil either
he's always cared for his mother and that is shown in the dark world immediately
you can say it's because he had development but he was stuck in the prision the whole time with the thing with his mother and had a mental breakdown
he didn't get along with his father uch but he obviosuly cared too or he wouldn't have been crying or so hurt when he found out he was a frost giant (which shocked odin and but him in odin sleep) in the first fight
thor i could possibly say this version doesn't care about because he certainly resents his brother much like his father but i think like his father, deep down he craves their affection which is why he acted out the way he did
and of course someone would be broken up over seeing their own death
besides, no one was around when loki saw those clips so why tf would he be emotional if he was 'just playing them'
make it make sense
loki is a very emotional character good or bad and has done good and bad things
again, THIS IS NOT saying he's lawful good and he's not going to try to trick the tva and use their power but that AND loki actually caring are things that can co-exist and make loki, loki
one of the reasons WHY loki is popular is because he's more than a simple black and white villain
he'll do whatever he wants to do at the time and that's the fun of him
@@nightfrost1891 It was real, his emotions about his family are what started him down this path but I certainly don't think he had some instant ephiany about his life. I think he wants the power of the TVA and I think he will start the multiverse of madness storyline.
No he really dosent, if he wanted power he would’ve happily taken Asgard’s throne, but he didn’t. He ruled because he was the only one. Loki isn’t this power hungry guy. Also if you bring up New York he was invading after his suicide attempt, year of torture by thanos, manipulation and control from the scepter. Also he was threatened with more torture is he didn’t comply.
I get why the Infinity paperweight joke rubbed some people the wrong way but I think people are forgetting that these are variant infinity stones rendered powerless just by being in the TVA. It's a separate bubble universe where everybody's (and everything's) powers don't work.
yeah, I think people took it out of context the infinity stones are still extremely powerful in their universe it just shows that TVA is located somewhere beyond space and time so any major power source has no meaning there.
I would watch a series where Owen Wilson is just talking to other Marvel characters and calling them out on their shenanigans
The analysis of Tony and Steve would be heartbreaking
I love how Hector tries his best to control his emotions and responses when gets the early screeners😂
The Dark World is a tragedy that ends when their mother dies and no one can convince me there is more movie afterwards.
"I was young and lost a bet to Thor"... Waitaminute.. Loki is like, 1,000 years old. The Cooper highjacking was 50 years ago. Loki wasn't 'young', or least hardly any younger than he is in the present day.
Just like how full guilty grown men today will be defended by their peers with “they’re just a kid” and similar statements. It’s all bs lol
because the time is different for Asgardians etc it's mean to be that Loki and Thor around the first movie are kind of just growing up out of their teenage years, which would make sense they way they decided to play them
I personally am kinda of the theory that the TVA exists at the end of time, and when they talk about a vast multiversal war, it hasn't happened yet in the MCU, but the TVA isn't "in" the MCU, but oversees it, and perhaps every other universe. The DB Cooper thing is basically saying that Loki was in our universe during the 70s and the TVA were watching even that.
Hector giving everything away a second before it happens kinda spoils it
Very impressed by cinematography & scope. Owen and Tom play so well off each other. "NIGHTMARE" is a whole other section! Wasn't expecting them to go that far of him seeing his future. Woohoo!
Love how they emphasize the 1 character that IS cannon yet disrespected..Agent Colson. My favorite scene in this so far great show.
The infinity stones means nothing to the TVA to the point that they’re used as office supplies. There’s always a bigger fish.
And that very idea is so crippling to a narcissist like this version of Loki who is so obsessed with attaining power. The notion that there is a level of power that he will never truly achieve must be driving him insane.
@@ryanhalawani2637 not only that it’s also his place in the universe or whatever means nothing. His whole idea of being a ruler means very little. He wasn’t born to rule, his whole purpose is to bring together these certain people, bring out the best from his brother and a means to end for thanos and then to die that’s it. He also learns that his family did actually loved him but he was just too angry to see it.
@@Serenity113 Yeah most definitely. That why my favourite scene in the episode was his interrogation/therapy scene with mobius. So cool to see him get cut down like that but also finally have a moment of genuine introspection. The idea of him realizing his only purpose in the grand scheme of things is to bring out the best others like the avengers and be the villain of the story is so cool and really reminds me of Mr Glass from the film unbreakable. It captures the existential dread of the meta awarness of the fact that not only are you not the protagonist of your own story but you are also the antagonist on top of that.
@@ryanhalawani2637 existential dread seems to be the theme of this episode lol. That scene with the infinity stones and him watching his future of how he died reminded me those posters of the universe with the caption saying “you are here.” With an arrow pointed at a tiny dot amongst of other tiny dots. It humbles you a bit but for Loki and his narcissism it’s gotta be like a huge punch in the gut. Lol
What's a fish?!
Also Gugu Mbatha-Raw's character is Kang's love interest in the comics so there's something there.
I was looking forward to this. 😁
I've just realised, an infinity stone from another universe doesn't work in a different universe. So the infinity stones they have in the drawer, will most likely be from other universes/timelines, so they don't actually work
Loki: I was young
Me: dude, wasn't that like, 30ish years ago? It's like a blink of an eye to you lot!
Seriously 🤣. Dude was at least 900 and something years old at the time.
I honestly love you guys
More power & blessings & more success in all your endeavours
Always look forward to all vids
This was great
They weren’t taking any power away from the stones, it just shows they dont work outside their universe
My take is more "what is power to those that don't CARE about it?" Guys working towards the world as it is have no real motivation to fundamentally alter it in a major way, so why would they care about the means to do so?
@@aterwilliger4820 also they dont work in the tva hq
People everywhere are saying they don't work in other universes/realities but that's eactly what happened in Endgame. The Avengers created a split reality to get the stones, although stitching it back as well. Magic doesn't work in the TVA is more appropriate.
If you watch the Disney+shows in their originally intended release order: Falcon/Winter Soldier, WandaVision, Loki; the story spins out from Earth based and grounded to magic and cosmic level powers to the Time Variance Authority and the multiverse.
the soundtrack for loki is fucking PHENOMENAL
The Stained Glass Devil had gold horns and was wearing green!
I noticed that too. I think that was supposed to represent Loki and not Mephisto
@@Rummyson nah, totally a skrull.
@@eberwald4438 it was Mephisto, disguised as a skrull, who was then disguised as female Loki.
@@my5head I know, right!
Reactors reacting to Loki reacting to his life highlights.
Glorious! Another Reaction series has arrived! Hallelujah!! This episode was Bonkers and I'm in!!!
My boyyyyyyyssssss! Been waiting on your reaction
I love how they handled the infinity stones because I genuinely was curious as to how the MCU would effectively move past the threat they presented for so long in order to give us something just as potentially dangerous to our heroes.
I think that Kang is being confined in the Quantum realm by the TVA and in the end of the Loki series, the TVA is weakened to a point where they can’t stop Kang anymore.
Love your reactions. I watched you guys after WV, TFATWS, Invincible and now Loki !
30:20 what cap did in his past is ignored because he is the one who gives Sam shield which is supposed to happen in the sacred timeline. He becomes new captain america of the future via "old" steve Rogers. Hence they didn't interfere because he still had a part in the sacred timeline, but we don't know what happened to steve rogers after he gave the shield to sam, maybe then TVA apprehended him.
hector already watched the episode makes me weird to watch this reaction
I just keep coming back to that scene in Dark World when he’s holding the illusion and then he lets it go and he’s destroyed his cell and he’s really mourning.
Steve was in the main timeline, every time he tried to interfere with events he had previous knowledge of (wars, 9/11, whatever) then that variant Steve and the nexus timeline he spawned was pruned, preserving the Sacred Timeline. So yes, Cap did live in our timeline, he also lived in multiple other timelines, and yes he wouldn't just normally stand aside while bad things he could prevent happened. The TVA were just busy resetting all the ones that didn't sit and let it happen.
Great reactions as usual ! I cant believe that no one has put together(that I've seen) that Miss Minutes is a different take on Mr.DNA, from the first Jurassic Park.
Also, the Infinity Stones in Casey's desk dont work because the TVA is located in Null space. The stones can only work in their native universes and are powered by same.
I was just thinking about how I was looking forward to your reaction & you post, just in time for my lunch break! 😁
Same hereee
I think Loki will be the best Marvel Disney+ show so far. It wears its inspirations on its sleeve, focuses on the characters’ emotions and arc thus far, along with giving us strange spectacle on a massive scale like Wandavision, and (based on promotional footage and my own speculation) will give us the best action for Loki both creatively and choreography-wise like Falcon/Captain America in Falcon and Winter Soldier.
It’s going to combine the strongest parts of the two previous shows while also giving us a wholly original story. It’s gonna be a wild, emotional, and glorious ride. We’re only 1 episode in and I’m already hoping we get a second season!!
I’m sure there’s a few comments like mine, but I’m so glad Hector mentioned the score to the show. The first episode had a few music cues that really blew me away. Can’t wait to listen to it all. Keep it up, guys 🙌♥️
HERE WE GOOOO!!!
the boys looking fresh!!
"Also that others can achieve the best versions of themselves"
Man that hits deep, to find out that you exist just so that others can become their best through your actions. Makes you feel worthless, like you're not the main character even in your story.
I'm so rooting for Loki to destroy the TVA and make his own fate.
Casting Owen Wilson might have been a stroke of genius. Mobius is the same character archetype as Agent J. Weary, I've seen it all but this feels new kinda guy. But with Wilson's natural earnestness he constantly takes the wind out of Lokis sails.
Since the first trailers I've thought that the statues of the time-keepers in the TVA look remarkably similar to Kang's look from the comics. In the comics Kang has countless alternate versions of himself from different timelines that eventually form a council of Kangs. Maybe, this is a stretch, but this council of Kangs are in fact the time-keepers in the show and the TVA isn't protecting the timeline but is in fact controlling it with an iron fist, thus Kang would have finally achieved his goal of conquering all of time. This would mean that the show would tie directly into the new Antman and the Wasp film where Kang is set to make his first MCU appearance. It is also worth noting that one of the characters in the first episode, judge Renslayer, is tied directly to Kang in the comics. If that is the case, perhaps the twist of the show will be that the Loki variant Mobius and Loki prime are hunting is in fact a freedom fighter trying to stop the council of Kangs and end their oppressive rule over the timeline.
came as fast as i could!!!
Ahhhhh yes... my fave lads dropping educated knowledge and opinions once again. You guys are amongst best in the business..
As mentioned by New Rockstars, check out Natalie Holt. She threw eggs at Simon Cowell on that Got Talent show. A combination of her thinking he has too much power and sway in the music industry as well she was very upset those with instruments were not allowed to play. They were just there to look pretty and pretend to play. So she decided to egg Simon during the performance. And Disney was like "YES QUEEN!"
Steve was secretly living in the sacred timeline, he knew things would work out so he was able to leave it alone
Great video! Always love hearing your guys' thoughts.
Great Reaction. My wife and I reacted to this show as well and both loved this first episode.
I recently finished Ragnarok on Netflix, and now this Loki really be making me emotional.
Love Loki! So heartbreaking when he had to watch his mother die and his own death. Great reaction as always
Glad to see you guys back at it with Marvel!!!
I am big fan of this trio.., keep reacting on marvel..shows and movies.., u make us proud to being a marvel nerd, love from 🇮🇳
"I have to hurt people" because I can't lead like my father, love like my mother, or inspire like my brother...
Yeah... He HAS to inspire through fear because it's all he has that works for him. It's sad.
The ending is sick! now thats Norse Mythology Loki!
I wasn't surprised that the infinity stones didn't work because I assumed it was like the comics where they only work in their universe. And I assumed the TVA was located outside the universe. But most people seemed really shocked by this moment.
This was like a slap to the face, is like existential crisis.
13:39 is that infinity stone cart now just in the middle of the void?! What a find for somebody
I will say, I do think this is the best of the three first episodes. But only because we do know Loki the best, so we really are truly invested.
Wanda is personally, my favorite MCU character so I was excited for people to see how incredible that character is, but also how incredible Elizabeth Olsen is herself. She's been so overlooked until that show, but she's brought me to tears the most in the films. Between her losing her brother, then watching her struggle with killing those innocent people in Lagos, to her killing Vision. She's been incredible, so WandaVision made me excited for people to get on board with that character.
This on the other hand, excites me in a broader way because this seems like a bigger story that's more connected with Multiverses than the other two shows because Loki himself is already a different version of Loki! So this episode had a bit more room to breathe because we do know Loki so well, we've already been introduced to potential multiverses, and we're now acclimated to the stranger side of the MCU. So this benefits from all of that.
Great reaction. :)
17:00 Anachronistic refers to anything, living or inanimate, being from another time period than the one being portrayed. Think of it like a T-Rex piloting a fighter jet. You either have a T-Rex in modern times or a fighter jet in prehistoric times.
Or for a simpler and pretty common example, think of a movie set in the late 40s that has cars not made until the 50s due to a period research failure. LOL
I'm pretty sure the comics established the gems/stones only worked on their own universe. And the TVA is either outside time, or another universe, so everytime someone skews off with a stone they end up just getting a decoration.
“It’s a green lantern!” Legitimately made me laugh so hard and for so long that I actually had to pause it so I didn’t miss anything ffs! Idk why but it did 🤷♀️😅😉👍
Homeboy without a ticket got DEREZZED. They even had the same sound effect. Must be great to pull from all of Disney's properties!
missed the three of you. Hyped for this
15:27 the way hunter b15 said stop it reminded me of the stop it from wandavision e1
Casey: some of these guys use them as paperweights.
Tony, Thanos, Hawkeye, Natasha, vision: hello darkness my old friend......
In the comics, it's established that the Infinity Gems/Stones only work in their own universe(s); they're powerless anywhere outside it. If those stones came from universes/timelines that were erased, then paperweights would be about all they're good for now.
Man, I enjoy watching your reaction almost even more than the first time watching the episodes by myself...
Thank goodness my faves are here.
Mephisto confirmed in a surprise easter egg:- handheld device mentioned "TIMELINE SEGMENT: 616 432" which is refer to comic book Thor Vol 1 #432 dated May 1991. Antagonist is LOKI, MEPHISTO & ENCHANTRESS!!!
Thanks for the Eugene Cordero shoutout 😁