I adore that in the end, this show wasn’t about the Multiverse. It wasn’t about “getting the X-men in the MCU” or anything like that. It was about Loki. A focused, emotional character study from beginning to end.
i especially liked there is no credit scene ! like that wouldve ruind the ending of loki This show was about him not about another cameo to get u hyped for another movie . the endig left us questionning f we gonna see loki again or not
@@eduardobernardino1599 I know your comment is old, but I think that’s also been the issue with some fans is them expecting everything to be part of the greater picture and forgetting to appreciate something for being about it’s own isolated story.
Remember Loki spent CENTURIES with those people. They are not only his friends but his 2nd family. He had to say goodbye to his 2nd family after losing his first family. Loki truly is the most tragic MCU character.
Exactly! I wish more people addressed this -- it's a gorgeous story but it is also so tragic. Loki said at his core that he wanted two things: To save his friends, and not be alone. Then to save his friends... he had to doom himself to be alone for the rest of time. His hero journey is incredibly moving and selfless.
"I could've done it father! I could have done it! For you! For all of us." "No, Loki." -Thor (2011) "I know what kind of god I need to be. For you. For all of us." "No!" "Loki!" -Loki 2x6 (2023)
@@koala322 A score is the word used for the original music written specifically for a movie or TV show. As opposed to a soundtrack which can have both original music and other songs used in the movie - so a soundtrack for Reservoir Dogs would be one including Blue Swede's "Hooked on a feeling" and Stealers Wheel's "Stuck in the middle in you" but a score would be only the original music written for the movie.
It's utterly glorious -- watching it, I was completely slack-jawed in awe. For me, this is the best MCU content since Endgame. I also enjoyed WandaVision, Spider-Man: No Way Home, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, however, Loki Season 2 (especially episodes 4, 5, 6) exceeded my expectations by a country mile.
I thought the whole point was that now there is no sacred timeline. The sacred timeline was what went through the loom. Anything else was pruned. Loki chose to destroy HWR’s loom, setting all the timelines free, giving them all a chance to thrive. So, he now holds them all together through the tree, where they all grow. So every timeline is sacred now. Such a beautiful episode.
Or perhaps he doesn't have to. What if weaving the tree and giving it life was all he was required to do and now the timelines exist and grow organically. What if he is just resting and taking in the moment. Would a moment for him feel like years for us?
"Victor says "Pumpkins" because in his time it was an expression people would use when something was awesome. I believe it's a shorten version of the Victorian phrase "That's some pumpkins!" meaning "That's really terrific!" Basically Victor was saying "Awesome!"
@@tahirahshabazz50Honestly most slang is god awful, especially as time passes on and people get to evaluate it from a distance. They aren’t pumpkins, aces, or uptight and out of sight, ya dig?😜
Loki has the best character arc in the entire MCU, and has one of the greatest character arcs of all time. He started the show as a god who wanted to rule everyone and everything in the universe for selfish reasons, to a god who selflessly watches over and protects the MULTIVERSE, in isolation, from a throne outside of time and space. Mobius told him that he needed to choose which burden he could live with to fulfill his purpose, and as heavy as it was, this was the only choice in which all of his friends and family as well as all of the people of the multiverse would be saved. He is a true hero now. My heart absolutely breaks that this Loki is now and possibly always will be alone, but at least he can watch over everyone he cares for from afar. ALL HAIL LOKI, THE GOD OF STORIES!!!!
It makes sense that Loki becomes the heart of Ygdrassil, considering in mythology, Loki is the cause if Ragnarok.... which is not only the end of time, but also the rebirth of time, too.
Just a quick thing, He who remains isnt in play. Since loki went back to a time where he who remains was still dead. loki just went to the end of the plans and reset it in his own way, rather than play into he who remains road, he changed the equation. Some might say loki is the new he who remains.
yep he who remains was still killed, but Victor is still at the TVA timeline somewhere, he was with the group when Loki took over. He wasn't pruned or deleted or anything so he's still there, maybe he helped do the 2nd edition of the TVA handbook. Or he might have went home or something who knows.
Just as Richard E. Grant's Loki towards the end of Season 1 as he used his massive power to distract and then get consumed by Alioth, all while yelling, "Glorious Purpose!"
@@djoscartjThe comparison to Classic Loki’s approach to Alioth was foremost in my mind, as well. Magnificent choices in sacrifice-both Loki characters are losing their lives, one was killed, the other is strapped to an eternal throne.
Ok, as someone who is knowledgable around Norse sagas and the old stories around Loki and the other Norse gods, I think that at least someone in the writer's room has researched this background. What Marvel has gotten wrong so far is that Loki is not the god of mischief in the old stories, he's the god of chaos and the one who brings about the end of the world. They seem to be tapping into that now and into other aspects of Norse mythology. There are for example the Norns, the three goddesses of fate, who spin the threads of people's lives. The Norns are also the ones who are tending to Yggdrasil. And there is also the story of Odin having to sacrifice himself to get magic by hanging himself in Yggdrasil. All of this seems to be envoked in the ending of this show.
For me Loki had the best character edemption arc of anyone in the MCU. Loki played the long game. He's literally holding the MCU together. Tom Hiddleston deserves all the praise in the world for his portrayal of the complicated Loki.
Haha, have to have an episode where he meets the original Norse gods or people pretending to be them or something as a joke. Could probably get away with it too since Disney and Who have a partnership now..lol@@IceMetalPunk
@@markfuston2714 The Twelfth Doctor already took on a fake Norse God and the Seventh Doctor was pretty close to a Loki-variant. But yeah, Hiddleston would make a great Doctor.
I feel like Loki is so OP and he’s such a high level being that I’m intrigued to find out how the regular earth-bound avengers will be able to even connect with that. Loki is quite literally holding the MCU together😂
Even after centuries and centuries learning about physics and everything, it still took him soooo much time for the next steps because you notice how trained he is in every single step timely makes....
There is an entire story arc where the Avengers need to link up with Avenger Prime, who turns out to be the pivot entity for the Avengers' existence, and yep, he's Loki armed with Mjolnir (he's worthy) and Cap's shield.
Someone said if you look at the power colours of nexus being, they are the new infinity stones. We have Wanda as reality and now Loki as time. I can't unser it now.
Hard to say where Loki goes from here. Hiddleson has been playing him for 14 years now, which is crazy. So if this is the end of Loki's story, fantastic. From villain who desired a throne, to savior who only took a throne to save his friends and the multiverse. But I do hope we do at least get one more interaction between him and Thor. So Thor can look at his brother, and tell him how proud of him he is.
We know that both Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are on the cast list as Loki and Mobius for Deadpool 3. Considering the direction the MCU is going in it's impossible to cut Loki out of future movies because of who he became at the end of this series so there is hope that we will see a reunion between Thor and Loki and get some really good moments between them.
I think people missed the point of why The Sacred Timeline was called that. He Who Remains was in control of which timelines were pruned, except for his timeline or in other words The Sacred Timeline
He Who Remains pruned all the timelines where He Who Remains would be vulnerable to other Kangs that would take him out. Even if He Who Remains dies, the loom was created in such a way where He Who Remains would eventually get back to the citadel. Loki broke the loom so that wouldn’t happen anymore and who knows how many loops this has happened before Loki eventually broke it.
As Loki is walking towards the loom Thor & Odins dialogue kept playing over in my head. “You’ll always be the gos of mischief, but you could be more” -Thor “All of this because Loki desires a throne” Odin
Yggdrasil is the Nordic tree of life and death. Center of the universe. Its the tree Odin hung himself from to gain knowledge. And it's the source of life after Ragnarok.
Sylvie kicked Renslayer through a portal to the citadel at the end of time, however, after she came back, Sylvie enchanted Brad and had him actually prune her.
This finale was so incredibly bittersweet and somber. Loki made the ultimate sacrifice. He realized he never really wanted a throne or power, he just wanted to belong, to love and be loved, he wanted to do good and help. But Odin and Thor were right, he was meant for a throne and to do way more than he could've thought so. Lest we forget, he said he did it "for you, for all of us", he gave a chance to those he loved but to himself as well. He gave other variance of himself to be good, to change, to have true freedom. God I could cry every single time.
13:05 HWR is still dead. What we just saw in this episode is a younger version of him who Loki met with by time slipping, not by going outside of time. After the "I'll break your loom" conversation, Loki left him, and Sylvie is still there to kill him. He still died
yep HWR is dead, but Victor is still there, he was with the group when Loki took over, so maybe he's still working in the new TVA, maybe even helped with the 2nd edition handbook?
Loki has for quite some time now become my favourite MCU Character and he has now become the single most important Character in it, literally holding it all together at the very center of Yggdrasil the World Tree (Or the Multiverse equivalent of it) as the God of Stories (even though Marvel refers to him as "God Loki" (booooo)) We definitely need this Loki and Thor to reunite. But Odin, Frigga and Thor and his Sacred Self would - i like to think - be very proud.
Someone on a video elsewhere , commented about the Tree of Life symbolism with the timelines . Trees needs to be pruned to keep them healthy , so this allows Loki to still prune if needed
So Mobius said he "went out on a mission somewhere near the Black Sea to find a Variant who’s gonna be responsible for 5,000 deaths" but now that the Multiverse exists and they're not pruning, that kid lived, right? You know whats _right_ near the Black Sea? Latveria.
one of my favorite shows not JUST for it's execution, but also having the ability to stick the landing with how they end their series. previous shows' endings felt "shoehorned" in and just follow through all the way to the end. and also, OMG, natalie holt's hand in the soundtrack for this show is just phoneminal. especially the track titled "Purpose is Glorious". Absolutely beautiful.
What a show!!! Mobius said it this season, "I need a Loki Who Remains"... What did get me towards the end is why did Sylvie NOT use her mind/memory reading powers on Loki when they were back fighting at the end of time with He Who Remains? She used them on multiple people and beings throughout both seasons (Alioth, TVA Agents, Brad/X-5, etc.), so she could have immediately known what Loki was saying was true and she could have just stopped right then and there.
Because that Sylvie would not have trusted anything she saw - and also, she thought she had to kill HWR right then and there. HWR counted on this. Loki deciding to break the board instead was not in HWR's plans.
There's also the fact that Loki became immune to Sylvie's mind enchants. We saw this for the first time in Season 1 Episode 3. Loki also asked Sylvie to try to enchant him in Season 2 but she refused. This might mean that Loki has to disable his immunity before being enchanted by Sylvie, or else, it wouldn't work.
You guys cut out literally all the best quotes in this episode It's So egregious I assume it's just because you want people to see it on your patreon or something
Odin would be so proud of his son, finsh his way to become a real god. I still believe, that original the last Mobius Loki talk was planed with Odin and Loki, chancelled of obvious resons to be to expensiv.
I see Loki showing up in Secret Wars when the multiverse unravels. He will be forced to abandon his “burden” when the multiverse collapses and all we have left is battleworld, he will travel there to try and undo what has been done and it will fall in with whatever storylines they choose to get there and go from there.
only if competent writers are involved, otherwise it will just be another story that is there to lead to another movie or tv show and have a mess of stories that don't make sense or use any of the pieces set up by Many of the shows.
Thanks for this series of reactions. I'm so glad you're still sticking with the MCU! As a bit of trivia (especially for Hector): It turns out that name which Hunter B-15 had on the timeline is Verity Willis. That's also the name of a character associated with Loki in the "Agent of Asgard" limited series. The clues pointing to B-15's name in the show are subtle and easy to miss -- I wouldn't have realized myself without reading about it on TV Tropes. And please, please react to "Across the Spider-Verse"! I'd love to see that!
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful this dropped today! Was looking forward to this reaction and it's been great binging your reactions to this season every day. You guys always amplify all the feels. What an incredible series.
I can't wait to see Uncle TimeLoki (likely in projected form since they reminded us in the series that he can) meeting niece Love/Eternity and he is the first adult who can just shut her down. And poor Thor is the most underpowered and feels weird about that 😂
I kinda have a theory that either the Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars movie will involve some sort of showdown between Kang & Loki for the ultimate control of time. Given that He Who Remains & Loki were one upping each other we still don’t know if He Who Remains was actually one step ahead of Loki and still isn’t manipulating this outcome somehow. He told Loki the only way to stop this is to kill Sophie but what if it was a manipulation to set Loki on a path to restoring the branches. He Who Remains still sits at the end of time so maybe Loki sits at the start of time? Kang may decide he wants control of both.
We get a hint that this isn't the case at the end - Loki isn't just holding the multiverse together, he's also making sure no Kang is too powerful - as seen in Mobius casually mentioning that Scott and gang stopped a Kang in a "616-adjacent realm" (Quantumania). Kang is no longer unstoppable-except-by-Kang. He lost his plot armor because Loki broke it.
My theory is that the Kangs and the time war killed whatever was keeping time alive. He who remains created the Loom to put time on life support, because he couldn't fix it as he wasn'ta god, but needed to prune branches. Without pruning, the loom would fail, and time would die. Loki breathed life into time by sacrificing his liberty, as a god he replaced the heart of time/life with himself. Renslayer getting pruned and the TVA pruning Kangs, puts her and them on Loki's doorstep tho.
When it showed Timely as a kid, this time the book was not given to him. He was on his own. I noticed that they assumed that he received the book, but I believe it was meant to show that he didn't.
I just can't believe this show managed to give us, not only loki the god of stories, but loki the holder of the multiuniverse, quite literally holding the entirety of the multiverse, he became atlas, they finally let us have what we always wanted, we knew the immense potential loki had in the comics and they gave it to us. I'm not sure we'll ever see this loki again, part of me wants Tom to retire from the character, but another part of me can't concieve a future were the mcu defends the multiverse without having an encounter with THIS loki. I think even in voice-over we need to see him return to let us know that he was the one who gathered the main players.
My wild theory is that this God of Stories Loki could replace the function of The Beyonder in the Secret Wars film? Hes alot more familiar and relatable than a leisure suit wearing deity obsessed with disco and humanity! Lol I can see them combining both versions of Secret Wars into one film. In order to keep Kang or maybe Doom from corrupting the multiverse as it decays and Incursions destroy universe after universe Loki grabs what ever universes and heroes are left to create battleworld or if battleworld is created by the villain Loki is responsible for making sure the heroes of different universes still exist and can stop them? What ever the case I still think we are going to see the “sun shine on the brothers Thor & Loki yet again”. Best finale to a Marvel Disney Plus show! Wandavision would’ve been perfect had the finale not devolved into predictable 3rd act action beats. This elegantly wrapped things up in a way that was so emotionally satisfying for Lokis development and arc.
From what I can tell they are adapting Secret Wars 2015, introducing Pre-Retcon Beyonder from 1984 is probably out of the question given how powerful he is/was. However, I can see them adapting Secret Wars 2015 and using the Beyonders, along with Kang as the replacement for Owen Reece. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see PR Beyonder but they will absolutely mess him up if introduced due to his power level.
The ONLY thing missing from the episode - was that Loki should have jumped back in time - to see his mom as Thor did, for closure - and also his dad, prior to ragnarok - so when Odin says - i love you my sons - its becuase he knows LOKIs future becuase of his future son seeing him prior to Hella. It would have nicely tied a ribbon around it all.
Yes Rennslayer is in the Void. They of course left the pyramid and Sphynx in the background. Sphinx that Ramatut used to travel. Loki is now letting all timelines grow and live. Easily opens up for more Fox/Sony used Marvel characters and Secret Wars.
My bet is Loki is who assembles the Multiverse Avengers. He knows all the stories. He can pick the heroes that have beaten their own Kangs. The way the Watcher does in What If
Still waiting for Agent Coulson to turn up and Loki say, “I’m sorry”; they realize Coulson’s death served a bigger plan. Maybe the explainer will be Loki made a path for Coulson to arrive where he did by the Agents of SHIELD series finale
The finale is very unclear, but I like to imagine that this is basically the creation of the multiverse, consisting of the MCU, the various Sony Spider-Man projects, the Fox Marvel movies from X-Men to Elektra, the Ghost Rider films, Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, the old Captain America movies, the Bill Bixby Incredible Hulk universe, the various unrelated Punisher movies, the 2003 Hulk film, the made for television Dr. Strange movie, etc. There's SO MUCH Marvel history to tap into with the multiverse in either What If...?, MCU shows such as Marvel Zombies and the Spider-Man Freshman/Sophomore years shows set in different universes, and cameos in Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty. And that's not even scratching the surface because that's not taking into account the abundance of animated and foreign shows that can be pulled from.
I've been waiting for your thoughts on this finale and everything you have said, I completely agree. Tom H is incredible and this ending was fantastic. I've been reading that Loki may turn into Avenger Prime around Kang/Secret Wars will be around to help our Avengers in some way. Love having you guys back!
That specific He Who Remains is still gone. Loki broke the Loom and took over stewardship of time after Sylvie killed He Who Remains at the end of time. The new multiverse lends itself to allowing new Kangs to arise, but I think HWR is dead
Let me share a theory, Loki turned the Loom into the Ygdrassil at For All Time. So Loki’s creation became reality since the beginning of time. So when the Ancient Asgard study the Multiverse they never saw a loom they found a tree. The tree of Ygdrassil so when Odin eventually teaches it to children Loki and Thor. Odin is actually teaching them Loki’s creation. To further blow your mind, everything that happens in the MCU happens through Ygdrassil that Loki can control. So every humiliation, defeat, beatdown that happens to every Loki in the multiverse happens is because Loki wills it.
I like to think that Loki has no idea what is actually happening in the timelines that he is holding. He is just there to selflessly keep them alive. His new glorious purpose. If he were able to observe what was happening on the timelines, they should have given him Heimdall eyes.
"Where I'm going, I won't need eyes to see." to paraphrase a certain horror movie. I don't think he observes with sight, he goes by feel and trust in the TVA he left behind.
@Heroes Reforged, 7:55 This is Sylvie's Nexus Event! The reason why Ravonna went back in time to purge her as a little girl! This story that Mobius tells here, 11:00, explains that he and Ravonna used to be Hunters charged with pruning Variants before their crimes, like some sort of Minority Report-type work. Sylvie's Nexus Event was also a Canon Event, something that absolutely has to happen and cannot be prevented, which explains why Loki could never talk Sylvie down. 10:29 Why must it be a lie? Loki spent much of the season trying to do the impossible, only to discover that the impossible indeed cannot be done. So what did he do? He went to the source, who once again reminded the audience that he's just a man in the elevator scene, who indeed confirmed for Loki that his man-made machine cannot sustain more branches of time than the ones it originally sustained. The Sacred Timeline was designed to preserve the original branches of time that HWR saved after the Multiversal War. The loom threaded the Multiverse into what we now call the Sacred Timeline, and we just learned that the loom also works as a failsafe to erase anything and everything that isn't supposed to be there in the event that the TVA fails to do the job they were charged to do, which is to erase every branched timeline that appears as they jeopardize the wellbeing of the Sacred Timeline and every life and thing living in them. Is HWR a villain? The Internet is making him out to be one, but when you look at the story we've been told, he's done everything that he could to save the Multiverse and all the countless lives they all sustain. He chose a life of solitude and watched over them for millions of years, allowing them to live as free as he possibly could. The only condition he put in place is that they didn't cause a Nexus Event, the very thing that causes the rebirth of Branched Timelines, as branches lead to a future with him in it. This story picks up after HWR has spent millions of years in solitude as some form of penance, who now seeks to find someone else to take over his life's work, keeping the universe together, keeping it safe from his infinite variants that who almost certainly bring about the destruction to the whole of time and space. This story was like a snake eating its own tail. Loki wasn't the only one repeating things he had already done, but so was the TVA with its constant pruning of Nexus Events, but also HWR spending millions of years trying to solve the Branched Timeline equation he has no answer to, it's tiring and he wants to finally rest. Man has done everything man can possibly do. Maybe that's why he chose a god to take over. HWR had been playing god and quickly learned that he had limitations and could never do what a god does. Might he have chosen Loki because he wasn't as self-centered as any of the gods that we were introduced to at Omnipotence City? Loki was redeemable as his story had previously shown. HWR couldn't just give Loki the job, because Loki wasn't in the right head space for it yet, and HWR told us that during the first season finale: ruclips.net/video/xyfwr861cjs/видео.htmlsi=5nlGqgDX7-3BdAzP&t=162 Loki's had his journey, and he has changed. And he finally accepted the job. What comes next should be interesting. While the TVA was going to $#!+, the Council of Kangs were allowed to toil, which is something new. They work in the TVA's blind spots and very likely Loki's too. Will one of them find something left behind by HWR, something that'll allow them to work around his control? The next phase is sure to be a lot of fun, and I certainly hope Loki is part of it. He should be able to make his own avatar, allowing him to visit worlds and possibly participate, but I guess we'll see.
No, HWR mass-murdered billions of realities and untold numbers of lives, he's no hero. He didn't sacrifice anything, he was exiled there. His plan was always to be set free from his exile, not to stay and watch the "sacred timeline". He was exiled precisely because he was the worst Kang, not because of any nice motivations. In many ways, he's the opposite of Loki - Loki started wanting power and got wiser, HWR-Kang started with knowledge and wisdom and ended power-hungry.
@@snorpenbass4196 Sounds like you are confusing HWR (the guy we see in Loki) with Kang (the guy we saw in Quantumania). HWR wasn't exiled anywhere. He stayed where he was because someone must watch over all of time, which is exactly what Loki has to do now. I'd argue that a universe has much more than billions of lives, but lives are lives. This series proved several times that pruning timelines/people isn't the end of life, but a reset. Mobius, OB, Cassey and B15 were all from branched timelines erased before this story began, and we saw them on their branched timelines again before they were started their new lives at the TVA. Pruned timelines are hairs on your body. You can shave them down, but they grow back. Pruning resets a timelines. What did Loki do with Victor at the end of the story? Huh! He reset him and his story. Imagine that.
Guy on the left said the war is a lie like we didn't see the post credit scene in Ant Man 3. Lolol Also please no with the Fox X-Men. Kill them off in Deapool 3 and reacast them all. Already a little annoyed with Kelsey Grammer as Beast. Cool to finally be getting X-Men, but I just want a hard reset on them.
I'm not sure about the future of the mcu and how much I'll follow, I'm so exhausted and disappointed by how they've managed these storie, but one thing is for sure, if this is the end for me, I'm just so goddamn please my loki had this journey, I can say goodbye happily.
The one thing I still don't understand is what Loki actually DID to save the timelines. Like, the whole reason the timelines die without the loom is because of all the Kang variants who necessarily come into existence without the loom. So what exactly did Loki's magic do to protect the timelines from Kang's infinite variants? Is that supposed to be something we'll see later?
Fun fact: Hector's Twitter handle is a perfect anagram of "hefty unicorns" and "nocturne fishy." Agustin's is "lactate soon." Unfortunately Adam's doesn't translate to anything funny. Don't ask why I ran them through an anagram finder.
That was perfect,Loki had an amazing character arc.He choose his glorious purpouse to be the one who keeps the Multiverse alive,if only Thor could see him now....
great to have y'all back! i really hope they DON'T get rid of the multiverse at the end of this saga, though, or collapse it all into one timeline. that was kind of the point of this whole show, allowing that chaos and free will by liberating from this imposed and ruthlessly enforced "sacred" timeline. i say let Marvel be Marvel, and Marvel's always had a rich multiverse. even after Secret Wars collapsed everything into Battleworld in the comics, they still spun the multiverse out again. the movies can easily do the same, with a few tweaks to make them more secure and isolated from one another so it's more difficult (but not impossible) to cross over between them and keep the stories the MCU is telling focused on its 616 (which is no more or less "sacred" than any other. ;) ) while allowing for things like What If...?, or the Sony movies to stay in their own bubble and avoid infecting anything else, and all the movies and shows that have come before still exist out there. PLEASE don't go the DC route, because that way just lies madness and confusion of constantly collapsing and expanding and redefining and retconning the multiverse, slingshotting it from infinite to just one to 52 to infinite again to a dark multiverse to hypertime to Elseworlds to everyone goes cross eyed and can't keep track and i guess i'll just read whatever Tom Taylor's working on right now . ;) personally, i've never understood the idea that multiverse stories remove "stakes" by allowing for multiple iterations of a character who died. that character still died, their loss still has weight and importance, whether or not there's someone who has the same name or face on another world but is their own unique entity. that's like saying someone's death doesn't matter because they have an identical twin. it's not like going to the store and buying a replacement part. hell, we've already seen that play out with this different Gamora in Guardians 3. we lost OUR Gamora, and that death still has meaning and makes me cry whenever I watch Infinity War. a past/variant version of Gamora comes into this timeline and it's not like everyone just picks up where they left off. she's a different person with different memories and experiences and that conflict ALSO creates great stakes and drama and dynamic storytelling. hell, even here in Loki, one of the core emotional dynamics and relationships are between two variants of a character who died in the 616 timeline. Loki's death at the hands of Thanos still matters. it's not undone by having Loki and Sylvie dealing with their adventures and issues here, nor would it if either of them were to travel to 616 and encounter characters who knew that Loki. it would just create a different and potentially fascinating dynamic to play with. it all comes down to execution, and i'm curious and excited to see more stories like it!
Loki's throne isn't at the end of time. It's at the mid-point. Kang ruled from the end, making sure the timelines always ended with him. Loki holds from the center, allowing the ends to grow freely.
Hector: I put this on RS comment, but I want to see what you think of this continuing storyline: I would like to see Sylvie, sit down with Loki at his throne, and ask him to activate one of the timelines for her to go into. She was frozen, and possibly put into a stasis/trophy room for he who remains/Kang. She may have ended up seeing Rama Tut’s trophy room where they send their nuisances and she may want to investigate further. After entering the place, she could find the Fantastic Four also frozen there, out of time. In the comics they were a thorn in the side of Rama. May be a good way of getting the group into the MCU.
I adore that in the end, this show wasn’t about the Multiverse. It wasn’t about “getting the X-men in the MCU” or anything like that.
It was about Loki. A focused, emotional character study from beginning to end.
Main issue with Marvel nowadays, not focusing in one singular story
While still telling a great story about the TVA, but what a perfect character arc.
i especially liked there is no credit scene ! like that wouldve ruind the ending of loki
This show was about him not about another cameo to get u hyped for another movie .
the endig left us questionning f we gonna see loki again or not
@@eduardobernardino1599 I know your comment is old, but I think that’s also been the issue with some fans is them expecting everything to be part of the greater picture and forgetting to appreciate something for being about it’s own isolated story.
Remember Loki spent CENTURIES with those people. They are not only his friends but his 2nd family. He had to say goodbye to his 2nd family after losing his first family. Loki truly is the most tragic MCU character.
Exactly! I wish more people addressed this -- it's a gorgeous story but it is also so tragic. Loki said at his core that he wanted two things: To save his friends, and not be alone. Then to save his friends... he had to doom himself to be alone for the rest of time. His hero journey is incredibly moving and selfless.
"I could've done it father! I could have done it! For you! For all of us."
"No, Loki."
-Thor (2011)
"I know what kind of god I need to be. For you. For all of us."
"No!"
"Loki!"
-Loki 2x6 (2023)
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How perfect it is that the Time Stone has been green from the start.
Natalie Holts score skyrocketed to the top of my MCU favorite themes. Those final tracks are incredible
Really, she’s become one of the better composers
What’s a score?
I’m seeing this term being used so frequently lately…. As oppose to some years back. How and when did this happen?
@@koala322 A score is the word used for the original music written specifically for a movie or TV show. As opposed to a soundtrack which can have both original music and other songs used in the movie - so a soundtrack for Reservoir Dogs would be one including Blue Swede's "Hooked on a feeling" and Stealers Wheel's "Stuck in the middle in you" but a score would be only the original music written for the movie.
@@koala322 The term isn't new at all. Maybe you're just hanging around in spaces where more people talk about filmmaking.
Whatever they choose to do with Loki in the future, the one thing that I want to see more than anything else is Loki picking up Mjölnir.
I love that idea.
Better if Thor casually hands it to him
Just talked about this very thing with my family. I was like, he’s ready.
@@Ahzpayne
Love it
Or secret wars appearance 🔥🔥🔥
Dude, that would be awesome
The music as Loki ascends is just beautiful.
Stunning. The whole moment.
The wait for the soundtrack to appear on Spotify were some of the longest days ever ong
It's utterly glorious -- watching it, I was completely slack-jawed in awe.
For me, this is the best MCU content since Endgame. I also enjoyed WandaVision, Spider-Man: No Way Home, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, however, Loki Season 2 (especially episodes 4, 5, 6) exceeded my expectations by a country mile.
I love that Loki’s last conversation with Mobius was his also his first conversation with Mobius.
I thought the whole point was that now there is no sacred timeline. The sacred timeline was what went through the loom. Anything else was pruned. Loki chose to destroy HWR’s loom, setting all the timelines free, giving them all a chance to thrive. So, he now holds them all together through the tree, where they all grow. So every timeline is sacred now. Such a beautiful episode.
Or perhaps he doesn't have to. What if weaving the tree and giving it life was all he was required to do and now the timelines exist and grow organically. What if he is just resting and taking in the moment. Would a moment for him feel like years for us?
The sacred timeline still exists, its just not special anymore beyond being the main MCU timeline.
"Victor says "Pumpkins" because in his time it was an expression people would use when something was awesome. I believe it's a shorten version of the Victorian phrase "That's some pumpkins!" meaning "That's really terrific!" Basically Victor was saying "Awesome!"
Wow. That’s one of the worse slang/frases I’ve heard in a long time. Next to “bussin”, “tight”, “wack”, and “bomb”. I’m sure I’ve forgotten some.
@@tahirahshabazz50Honestly most slang is god awful, especially as time passes on and people get to evaluate it from a distance. They aren’t pumpkins, aces, or uptight and out of sight, ya dig?😜
Thanks for this explenation
@@langleymneely You lost me at pumpkins. But the others I can hang with. “You feel me”?
@@tahirahshabazz50 Lmao! 22 Skidoo Daddio! 😜
Loki has the best character arc in the entire MCU, and has one of the greatest character arcs of all time. He started the show as a god who wanted to rule everyone and everything in the universe for selfish reasons, to a god who selflessly watches over and protects the MULTIVERSE, in isolation, from a throne outside of time and space.
Mobius told him that he needed to choose which burden he could live with to fulfill his purpose, and as heavy as it was, this was the only choice in which all of his friends and family as well as all of the people of the multiverse would be saved. He is a true hero now. My heart absolutely breaks that this Loki is now and possibly always will be alone, but at least he can watch over everyone he cares for from afar.
ALL HAIL LOKI, THE GOD OF STORIES!!!!
Honestly, this is one of the best things Marvel has ever made
Agreed. And I think it proves that 'Superhero Fatigue' is a misnomer for 'Subpar MCU Entry Fatigue'.
It makes sense that Loki becomes the heart of Ygdrassil, considering in mythology, Loki is the cause if Ragnarok.... which is not only the end of time, but also the rebirth of time, too.
Just a quick thing, He who remains isnt in play. Since loki went back to a time where he who remains was still dead. loki just went to the end of the plans and reset it in his own way, rather than play into he who remains road, he changed the equation. Some might say loki is the new he who remains.
yep he who remains was still killed, but Victor is still at the TVA timeline somewhere, he was with the group when Loki took over. He wasn't pruned or deleted or anything so he's still there, maybe he helped do the 2nd edition of the TVA handbook. Or he might have went home or something who knows.
Which is smart in the real life complications with Majors now, they have an out if they have to remove him.
Loki chose his burden and found his Glorious Purpose. Such a beautiful sacrifice
Just as Richard E. Grant's Loki towards the end of Season 1 as he used his massive power to distract and then get consumed by Alioth, all while yelling, "Glorious Purpose!"
@@djoscartjThe comparison to Classic Loki’s approach to Alioth was foremost in my mind, as well. Magnificent choices in sacrifice-both Loki characters are losing their lives, one was killed, the other is strapped to an eternal throne.
Ok, as someone who is knowledgable around Norse sagas and the old stories around Loki and the other Norse gods, I think that at least someone in the writer's room has researched this background. What Marvel has gotten wrong so far is that Loki is not the god of mischief in the old stories, he's the god of chaos and the one who brings about the end of the world. They seem to be tapping into that now and into other aspects of Norse mythology. There are for example the Norns, the three goddesses of fate, who spin the threads of people's lives. The Norns are also the ones who are tending to Yggdrasil. And there is also the story of Odin having to sacrifice himself to get magic by hanging himself in Yggdrasil. All of this seems to be envoked in the ending of this show.
For me Loki had the best character
edemption arc of anyone in the MCU. Loki played the long game. He's literally holding the MCU together. Tom Hiddleston deserves all the praise in the world for his portrayal of the complicated Loki.
This episode alone made me want to see Tom Hiddleston as The Doctor..haha, as he loops he does that kinda chaotic energy so well.
His regeneration scene: "... And this hair! So chaotic! Am I Norwegian?"
Haha, have to have an episode where he meets the original Norse gods or people pretending to be them or something as a joke. Could probably get away with it too since Disney and Who have a partnership now..lol@@IceMetalPunk
@@markfuston2714 The Twelfth Doctor already took on a fake Norse God and the Seventh Doctor was pretty close to a Loki-variant. But yeah, Hiddleston would make a great Doctor.
You just blew my fn mind…
I feel like Loki is so OP and he’s such a high level being that I’m intrigued to find out how the regular earth-bound avengers will be able to even connect with that. Loki is quite literally holding the MCU together😂
Even after centuries and centuries learning about physics and everything, it still took him soooo much time for the next steps because you notice how trained he is in every single step timely makes....
There is an entire story arc where the Avengers need to link up with Avenger Prime, who turns out to be the pivot entity for the Avengers' existence, and yep, he's Loki armed with Mjolnir (he's worthy) and Cap's shield.
Someone said if you look at the power colours of nexus being, they are the new infinity stones. We have Wanda as reality and now Loki as time. I can't unser it now.
Hard to say where Loki goes from here. Hiddleson has been playing him for 14 years now, which is crazy. So if this is the end of Loki's story, fantastic. From villain who desired a throne, to savior who only took a throne to save his friends and the multiverse. But I do hope we do at least get one more interaction between him and Thor. So Thor can look at his brother, and tell him how proud of him he is.
We know that both Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are on the cast list as Loki and Mobius for Deadpool 3. Considering the direction the MCU is going in it's impossible to cut Loki out of future movies because of who he became at the end of this series so there is hope that we will see a reunion between Thor and Loki and get some really good moments between them.
I think people missed the point of why The Sacred Timeline was called that. He Who Remains was in control of which timelines were pruned, except for his timeline or in other words The Sacred Timeline
He Who Remains pruned all the timelines where He Who Remains would be vulnerable to other Kangs that would take him out. Even if He Who Remains dies, the loom was created in such a way where He Who Remains would eventually get back to the citadel. Loki broke the loom so that wouldn’t happen anymore and who knows how many loops this has happened before Loki eventually broke it.
As Loki is walking towards the loom Thor & Odins dialogue kept playing over in my head.
“You’ll always be the gos of mischief, but you could be more” -Thor
“All of this because Loki desires a throne” Odin
Yggdrasil is the Nordic tree of life and death. Center of the universe. Its the tree Odin hung himself from to gain knowledge. And it's the source of life after Ragnarok.
Sylvie kicked Renslayer through a portal to the citadel at the end of time, however, after she came back, Sylvie enchanted Brad and had him actually prune her.
yes and we still don't know if Renslayer still has a tempad on her, cuz if she does, she can leave the Void easily...
@@juliocesarg.r.1238, Renslayer had set her tempad on the table which is why "Brad" guided her a few steps away, so that she could not grab her pad.
@@LeeCarlson nice, i gotta watch that again...
what if that purple light isn't alioth and just a kang variant?
@@arrgggod4656 you can literally hear Alioth roar...
This finale was so incredibly bittersweet and somber. Loki made the ultimate sacrifice. He realized he never really wanted a throne or power, he just wanted to belong, to love and be loved, he wanted to do good and help. But Odin and Thor were right, he was meant for a throne and to do way more than he could've thought so. Lest we forget, he said he did it "for you, for all of us", he gave a chance to those he loved but to himself as well. He gave other variance of himself to be good, to change, to have true freedom. God I could cry every single time.
I want Natalie holt to have every composing job. I love all the music she wrote for this
Spider-Man has been my guy for as long as I can remember, but with this finale, Loki *easily* booted poor Pete right out of that spot.
He got the two things he wanted least so he could save his friends.
Alone on a throne.
13:05 HWR is still dead. What we just saw in this episode is a younger version of him who Loki met with by time slipping, not by going outside of time. After the "I'll break your loom" conversation, Loki left him, and Sylvie is still there to kill him. He still died
yep HWR is dead, but Victor is still there, he was with the group when Loki took over, so maybe he's still working in the new TVA, maybe even helped with the 2nd edition handbook?
@@eolsunder yes, his name is on the new book
With Loki’s power set shouldn’t he be able to project himself wherever he wants within these universes now.
Yes, he absolutely should - Loki can be anywhere, at anytime
This Victor Timely is actually a variant, created when Renslayer dropped the copy of the TVA Handbook, through his open window and into his life.
watching that sequence at the end as he walks up to the throne....... goosebumps every time
Loki has for quite some time now become my favourite MCU Character and he has now become the single most important Character in it, literally holding it all together at the very center of Yggdrasil the World Tree (Or the Multiverse equivalent of it) as the God of Stories (even though Marvel refers to him as "God Loki" (booooo)) We definitely need this Loki and Thor to reunite. But Odin, Frigga and Thor and his Sacred Self would - i like to think - be very proud.
Someone on a video elsewhere , commented about the Tree of Life symbolism with the timelines . Trees needs to be pruned to keep them healthy , so this allows Loki to still prune if needed
The Time stone being now green is even more poetic, since lokis magic is green and he travels trough space and time. Brilliant writing.
Then could Kang be the reason the Power Stone is purple?
So Mobius said he "went out on a mission somewhere near the Black Sea to find a Variant who’s gonna be responsible for 5,000 deaths" but now that the Multiverse exists and they're not pruning, that kid lived, right? You know whats _right_ near the Black Sea? Latveria.
one of my favorite shows not JUST for it's execution, but also having the ability to stick the landing with how they end their series. previous shows' endings felt "shoehorned" in and just follow through all the way to the end.
and also, OMG, natalie holt's hand in the soundtrack for this show is just phoneminal. especially the track titled "Purpose is Glorious". Absolutely beautiful.
What a show!!! Mobius said it this season, "I need a Loki Who Remains"... What did get me towards the end is why did Sylvie NOT use her mind/memory reading powers on Loki when they were back fighting at the end of time with He Who Remains? She used them on multiple people and beings throughout both seasons (Alioth, TVA Agents, Brad/X-5, etc.), so she could have immediately known what Loki was saying was true and she could have just stopped right then and there.
Because that Sylvie would not have trusted anything she saw - and also, she thought she had to kill HWR right then and there. HWR counted on this. Loki deciding to break the board instead was not in HWR's plans.
There's also the fact that Loki became immune to Sylvie's mind enchants. We saw this for the first time in Season 1 Episode 3.
Loki also asked Sylvie to try to enchant him in Season 2 but she refused. This might mean that Loki has to disable his immunity before being enchanted by Sylvie, or else, it wouldn't work.
This was the best marvel content ever. These two seasons where exceptional. He becoming the God of stories was just jawdropping to look at. 💚
"He is the loom."
He's also now the Time Stone.
Basically, Loki is Everything now.
Forgot how much I love Beethoven's 5th Goldigger. All hail the god of the multiverse.
You guys cut out literally all the best quotes in this episode It's So egregious I assume it's just because you want people to see it on your patreon or something
Odin would be so proud of his son, finsh his way to become a real god. I still believe, that original the last Mobius Loki talk was planed with Odin and Loki, chancelled of obvious resons to be to expensiv.
I see Loki showing up in Secret Wars when the multiverse unravels. He will be forced to abandon his “burden” when the multiverse collapses and all we have left is battleworld, he will travel there to try and undo what has been done and it will fall in with whatever storylines they choose to get there and go from there.
only if competent writers are involved, otherwise it will just be another story that is there to lead to another movie or tv show and have a mess of stories that don't make sense or use any of the pieces set up by Many of the shows.
I’m so glad you all finished it!!
Thanks for this series of reactions. I'm so glad you're still sticking with the MCU!
As a bit of trivia (especially for Hector): It turns out that name which Hunter B-15 had on the timeline is Verity Willis. That's also the name of a character associated with Loki in the "Agent of Asgard" limited series. The clues pointing to B-15's name in the show are subtle and easy to miss -- I wouldn't have realized myself without reading about it on TV Tropes.
And please, please react to "Across the Spider-Verse"! I'd love to see that!
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful this dropped today! Was looking forward to this reaction and it's been great binging your reactions to this season every day. You guys always amplify all the feels. What an incredible series.
I can't wait to see Uncle TimeLoki (likely in projected form since they reminded us in the series that he can) meeting niece Love/Eternity and he is the first adult who can just shut her down. And poor Thor is the most underpowered and feels weird about that 😂
Natalie Holt's score throughout this entire series has been phenomenal.
I kinda have a theory that either the Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars movie will involve some sort of showdown between Kang & Loki for the ultimate control of time. Given that He Who Remains & Loki were one upping each other we still don’t know if He Who Remains was actually one step ahead of Loki and still isn’t manipulating this outcome somehow. He told Loki the only way to stop this is to kill Sophie but what if it was a manipulation to set Loki on a path to restoring the branches. He Who Remains still sits at the end of time so maybe Loki sits at the start of time? Kang may decide he wants control of both.
We get a hint that this isn't the case at the end - Loki isn't just holding the multiverse together, he's also making sure no Kang is too powerful - as seen in Mobius casually mentioning that Scott and gang stopped a Kang in a "616-adjacent realm" (Quantumania). Kang is no longer unstoppable-except-by-Kang. He lost his plot armor because Loki broke it.
We living in la vida loki now
My theory is that the Kangs and the time war killed whatever was keeping time alive. He who remains created the Loom to put time on life support, because he couldn't fix it as he wasn'ta god, but needed to prune branches. Without pruning, the loom would fail, and time would die. Loki breathed life into time by sacrificing his liberty, as a god he replaced the heart of time/life with himself.
Renslayer getting pruned and the TVA pruning Kangs, puts her and them on Loki's doorstep tho.
This is such a good reading of the show and I'm going to take it as Canon. Soooo good.
@papl20 thank you. Hopefully they're on the same wavelength. 😊
it started with Glorious purpose and ended with glorious purpose a full circle
the show was about loki and it ended with loki
epic !
When it showed Timely as a kid, this time the book was not given to him. He was on his own. I noticed that they assumed that he received the book, but I believe it was meant to show that he didn't.
I just can't believe this show managed to give us, not only loki the god of stories, but loki the holder of the multiuniverse, quite literally holding the entirety of the multiverse, he became atlas, they finally let us have what we always wanted, we knew the immense potential loki had in the comics and they gave it to us. I'm not sure we'll ever see this loki again, part of me wants Tom to retire from the character, but another part of me can't concieve a future were the mcu defends the multiverse without having an encounter with THIS loki. I think even in voice-over we need to see him return to let us know that he was the one who gathered the main players.
Thor would be so proud of his brother. ❤😊 I wish they could see each other again
My wild theory is that this God of Stories Loki could replace the function of The Beyonder in the Secret Wars film? Hes alot more familiar and relatable than a leisure suit wearing deity obsessed with disco and humanity! Lol I can see them combining both versions of Secret Wars into one film. In order to keep Kang or maybe Doom from corrupting the multiverse as it decays and Incursions destroy universe after universe Loki grabs what ever universes and heroes are left to create battleworld or if battleworld is created by the villain Loki is responsible for making sure the heroes of different universes still exist and can stop them? What ever the case I still think we are going to see the “sun shine on the brothers Thor & Loki yet again”. Best finale to a Marvel Disney Plus show! Wandavision would’ve been perfect had the finale not devolved into predictable 3rd act action beats. This elegantly wrapped things up in a way that was so emotionally satisfying for Lokis development and arc.
From what I can tell they are adapting Secret Wars 2015, introducing Pre-Retcon Beyonder from 1984 is probably out of the question given how powerful he is/was. However, I can see them adapting Secret Wars 2015 and using the Beyonders, along with Kang as the replacement for Owen Reece.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see PR Beyonder but they will absolutely mess him up if introduced due to his power level.
The ONLY thing missing from the episode - was that Loki should have jumped back in time - to see his mom as Thor did, for closure - and also his dad, prior to ragnarok - so when Odin says - i love you my sons - its becuase he knows LOKIs future becuase of his future son seeing him prior to Hella. It would have nicely tied a ribbon around it all.
Hiddleston is just perfect.
Yes Rennslayer is in the Void. They of course left the pyramid and Sphynx in the background. Sphinx that Ramatut used to travel. Loki is now letting all timelines grow and live. Easily opens up for more Fox/Sony used Marvel characters and Secret Wars.
I LOVE the double meaning of "Not To Scale"!! 😂
Loki got his own Lady Sif and Warriors Three
My bet is Loki is who assembles the Multiverse Avengers. He knows all the stories. He can pick the heroes that have beaten their own Kangs. The way the Watcher does in What If
That Groundhog Day stuff was so cool and definitely upped my opinion of the show!
guys there is no He Who Remains anymore, he's dead.
Still waiting for Agent Coulson to turn up and Loki say, “I’m sorry”; they realize Coulson’s death served a bigger plan. Maybe the explainer will be Loki made a path for Coulson to arrive where he did by the Agents of SHIELD series finale
The finale is very unclear, but I like to imagine that this is basically the creation of the multiverse, consisting of the MCU, the various Sony Spider-Man projects, the Fox Marvel movies from X-Men to Elektra, the Ghost Rider films, Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, the old Captain America movies, the Bill Bixby Incredible Hulk universe, the various unrelated Punisher movies, the 2003 Hulk film, the made for television Dr. Strange movie, etc. There's SO MUCH Marvel history to tap into with the multiverse in either What If...?, MCU shows such as Marvel Zombies and the Spider-Man Freshman/Sophomore years shows set in different universes, and cameos in Secret Wars and Kang Dynasty. And that's not even scratching the surface because that's not taking into account the abundance of animated and foreign shows that can be pulled from.
I've been waiting for your thoughts on this finale and everything you have said, I completely agree. Tom H is incredible and this ending was fantastic. I've been reading that Loki may turn into Avenger Prime around Kang/Secret Wars will be around to help our Avengers in some way. Love having you guys back!
A melhor série da Marvel sem dúvidas!!!! Espero que não acabe ppr aqui a história de Loki.
ditto!
That specific He Who Remains is still gone. Loki broke the Loom and took over stewardship of time after Sylvie killed He Who Remains at the end of time. The new multiverse lends itself to allowing new Kangs to arise, but I think HWR is dead
Let me share a theory, Loki turned the Loom into the Ygdrassil at For All Time. So Loki’s creation became reality since the beginning of time.
So when the Ancient Asgard study the Multiverse they never saw a loom they found a tree. The tree of Ygdrassil so when Odin eventually teaches it to children Loki and Thor. Odin is actually teaching them Loki’s creation.
To further blow your mind, everything that happens in the MCU happens through Ygdrassil that Loki can control. So every humiliation, defeat, beatdown that happens to every Loki in the multiverse happens is because Loki wills it.
I like to think that Loki has no idea what is actually happening in the timelines that he is holding. He is just there to selflessly keep them alive. His new glorious purpose. If he were able to observe what was happening on the timelines, they should have given him Heimdall eyes.
"Where I'm going, I won't need eyes to see." to paraphrase a certain horror movie. I don't think he observes with sight, he goes by feel and trust in the TVA he left behind.
@Heroes Reforged,
7:55 This is Sylvie's Nexus Event! The reason why Ravonna went back in time to purge her as a little girl! This story that Mobius tells here, 11:00, explains that he and Ravonna used to be Hunters charged with pruning Variants before their crimes, like some sort of Minority Report-type work. Sylvie's Nexus Event was also a Canon Event, something that absolutely has to happen and cannot be prevented, which explains why Loki could never talk Sylvie down.
10:29 Why must it be a lie? Loki spent much of the season trying to do the impossible, only to discover that the impossible indeed cannot be done. So what did he do? He went to the source, who once again reminded the audience that he's just a man in the elevator scene, who indeed confirmed for Loki that his man-made machine cannot sustain more branches of time than the ones it originally sustained.
The Sacred Timeline was designed to preserve the original branches of time that HWR saved after the Multiversal War. The loom threaded the Multiverse into what we now call the Sacred Timeline, and we just learned that the loom also works as a failsafe to erase anything and everything that isn't supposed to be there in the event that the TVA fails to do the job they were charged to do, which is to erase every branched timeline that appears as they jeopardize the wellbeing of the Sacred Timeline and every life and thing living in them.
Is HWR a villain? The Internet is making him out to be one, but when you look at the story we've been told, he's done everything that he could to save the Multiverse and all the countless lives they all sustain. He chose a life of solitude and watched over them for millions of years, allowing them to live as free as he possibly could. The only condition he put in place is that they didn't cause a Nexus Event, the very thing that causes the rebirth of Branched Timelines, as branches lead to a future with him in it.
This story picks up after HWR has spent millions of years in solitude as some form of penance, who now seeks to find someone else to take over his life's work, keeping the universe together, keeping it safe from his infinite variants that who almost certainly bring about the destruction to the whole of time and space. This story was like a snake eating its own tail. Loki wasn't the only one repeating things he had already done, but so was the TVA with its constant pruning of Nexus Events, but also HWR spending millions of years trying to solve the Branched Timeline equation he has no answer to, it's tiring and he wants to finally rest. Man has done everything man can possibly do.
Maybe that's why he chose a god to take over. HWR had been playing god and quickly learned that he had limitations and could never do what a god does. Might he have chosen Loki because he wasn't as self-centered as any of the gods that we were introduced to at Omnipotence City? Loki was redeemable as his story had previously shown. HWR couldn't just give Loki the job, because Loki wasn't in the right head space for it yet, and HWR told us that during the first season finale: ruclips.net/video/xyfwr861cjs/видео.htmlsi=5nlGqgDX7-3BdAzP&t=162
Loki's had his journey, and he has changed. And he finally accepted the job. What comes next should be interesting. While the TVA was going to $#!+, the Council of Kangs were allowed to toil, which is something new. They work in the TVA's blind spots and very likely Loki's too. Will one of them find something left behind by HWR, something that'll allow them to work around his control?
The next phase is sure to be a lot of fun, and I certainly hope Loki is part of it. He should be able to make his own avatar, allowing him to visit worlds and possibly participate, but I guess we'll see.
No, HWR mass-murdered billions of realities and untold numbers of lives, he's no hero. He didn't sacrifice anything, he was exiled there. His plan was always to be set free from his exile, not to stay and watch the "sacred timeline". He was exiled precisely because he was the worst Kang, not because of any nice motivations. In many ways, he's the opposite of Loki - Loki started wanting power and got wiser, HWR-Kang started with knowledge and wisdom and ended power-hungry.
@@snorpenbass4196 Sounds like you are confusing HWR (the guy we see in Loki) with Kang (the guy we saw in Quantumania). HWR wasn't exiled anywhere. He stayed where he was because someone must watch over all of time, which is exactly what Loki has to do now.
I'd argue that a universe has much more than billions of lives, but lives are lives. This series proved several times that pruning timelines/people isn't the end of life, but a reset.
Mobius, OB, Cassey and B15 were all from branched timelines erased before this story began, and we saw them on their branched timelines again before they were started their new lives at the TVA. Pruned timelines are hairs on your body. You can shave them down, but they grow back. Pruning resets a timelines.
What did Loki do with Victor at the end of the story? Huh! He reset him and his story. Imagine that.
@@snorpenbass4196 HWR was not exiled.
He is defnietly far beyond Omega level
This ending was so epic. I just want Loki to get a happy ending. It would be so sad if this was his end.
This was so great 👏🏾
Guy on the left said the war is a lie like we didn't see the post credit scene in Ant Man 3. Lolol
Also please no with the Fox X-Men. Kill them off in Deapool 3 and reacast them all. Already a little annoyed with Kelsey Grammer as Beast. Cool to finally be getting X-Men, but I just want a hard reset on them.
I'm not sure about the future of the mcu and how much I'll follow, I'm so exhausted and disappointed by how they've managed these storie, but one thing is for sure, if this is the end for me, I'm just so goddamn please my loki had this journey, I can say goodbye happily.
The one thing I still don't understand is what Loki actually DID to save the timelines.
Like, the whole reason the timelines die without the loom is because of all the Kang variants who necessarily come into existence without the loom. So what exactly did Loki's magic do to protect the timelines from Kang's infinite variants? Is that supposed to be something we'll see later?
🎵 Loki's got the whole multiverse in his hands 🎶
Fun fact: Hector's Twitter handle is a perfect anagram of "hefty unicorns" and "nocturne fishy." Agustin's is "lactate soon." Unfortunately Adam's doesn't translate to anything funny. Don't ask why I ran them through an anagram finder.
lol wtf
Man - certainly have miss yall covering all of these shows and trailers
Well, my Thanksgiving has been pretty shitty so far today. Glad this cheered me up some.
Why everybody fucks up the intro??? It was the coolest part of this episode
He who remains is not alive. He is dead in the present
theres no way loki story ends here
we need atleast he appear or even had a big role in kang dynasty and secret war
Odin would be so proud of this Loki.
That was perfect,Loki had an amazing character arc.He choose his glorious purpouse to be the one who keeps the Multiverse alive,if only Thor could see him now....
great to have y'all back! i really hope they DON'T get rid of the multiverse at the end of this saga, though, or collapse it all into one timeline. that was kind of the point of this whole show, allowing that chaos and free will by liberating from this imposed and ruthlessly enforced "sacred" timeline. i say let Marvel be Marvel, and Marvel's always had a rich multiverse. even after Secret Wars collapsed everything into Battleworld in the comics, they still spun the multiverse out again. the movies can easily do the same, with a few tweaks to make them more secure and isolated from one another so it's more difficult (but not impossible) to cross over between them and keep the stories the MCU is telling focused on its 616 (which is no more or less "sacred" than any other. ;) ) while allowing for things like What If...?, or the Sony movies to stay in their own bubble and avoid infecting anything else, and all the movies and shows that have come before still exist out there. PLEASE don't go the DC route, because that way just lies madness and confusion of constantly collapsing and expanding and redefining and retconning the multiverse, slingshotting it from infinite to just one to 52 to infinite again to a dark multiverse to hypertime to Elseworlds to everyone goes cross eyed and can't keep track and i guess i'll just read whatever Tom Taylor's working on right now . ;)
personally, i've never understood the idea that multiverse stories remove "stakes" by allowing for multiple iterations of a character who died. that character still died, their loss still has weight and importance, whether or not there's someone who has the same name or face on another world but is their own unique entity. that's like saying someone's death doesn't matter because they have an identical twin. it's not like going to the store and buying a replacement part. hell, we've already seen that play out with this different Gamora in Guardians 3. we lost OUR Gamora, and that death still has meaning and makes me cry whenever I watch Infinity War. a past/variant version of Gamora comes into this timeline and it's not like everyone just picks up where they left off. she's a different person with different memories and experiences and that conflict ALSO creates great stakes and drama and dynamic storytelling. hell, even here in Loki, one of the core emotional dynamics and relationships are between two variants of a character who died in the 616 timeline. Loki's death at the hands of Thanos still matters. it's not undone by having Loki and Sylvie dealing with their adventures and issues here, nor would it if either of them were to travel to 616 and encounter characters who knew that Loki. it would just create a different and potentially fascinating dynamic to play with. it all comes down to execution, and i'm curious and excited to see more stories like it!
Stop overthinking it, it’s a variant Loki who is the god of stories….. our Loki still dies in Infiniti war, time and place is POV
@@modsquad3123 man don't kill it we all know
Loki's throne isn't at the end of time. It's at the mid-point. Kang ruled from the end, making sure the timelines always ended with him. Loki holds from the center, allowing the ends to grow freely.
I know you guys have been back for a while but this is my first time catching up with you since the strikes, good to see you three!
this whole finale is up there with WandaVision as some of the best and most fulfilling MCU content ever made.
I been waiting literal weeks for y’all to review this one episode!!!
The fact that you asked if Yggdrasil was a thing 😶
the story, the imagery, the soundtrack. take a bow marvel you’ve outdone yourself with this one.
Hector:
I put this on RS comment, but I want to see what you think of this continuing storyline:
I would like to see Sylvie, sit down with Loki at his throne, and ask him to activate one of the timelines for her to go into. She was frozen, and possibly put into a stasis/trophy room for he who remains/Kang. She may have ended up seeing Rama Tut’s trophy room where they send their nuisances and she may want to investigate further.
After entering the place, she could find the Fantastic Four also frozen there, out of time.
In the comics they were a thorn in the side of Rama. May be a good way of getting the group into the MCU.