I must disagree sir. When building a personal rig, a cpu with integrated graphics is preferable, because if you add a discrete GPU, and there are issues preventing any sort of posting, then you could just run the monitor cable directly from the motherboard to diagnose issues, as opposed to pulling other rigs apart for parts.
@@lance153 yep, it's no longer the ingrated graphics only do word like the old days. I never thought i'd see the day integrated graphics would beat out a 2gb GT1030 I had the APU Blows it away. Totally a believer now. wow gaming with an APU. Love the SAM option for adding a GPU. AMD knocked it out of the park with this one.
The point of these APUs is for someone who wants to game right now and can save up for a GPU later. Or if that person is on a tight tight budget. The 5600GT can save them hundreds of dollars while still giving that person a decent experience. The types of people buying these things are gamers who want to get into PC gaming on a strict budget or people building SFF PCs. I have one holding me over until I get a 3080 Ti here in a few days and it’s honestly exceeded my expectations for the performance it gives.
Exactly, I love putting computers together, and sharing good information that will help people out, help them get a nice pc deal. Tbh I got it because the price was great $105, and yes. If I didn’t have my RTX from my last SFF, this would’ve been my APU doing the job for now. Also AM4 MB are cheap and the performance of this APU(CPU) is on pair with the I5-12400F. Even a 4080 Won’t Bottleneck with this processor.
I’m using this until I get my new chip, installed a 6750xt with this and it works well. The GT will go into my wife’s pc replacing a 5-3200 so it’s a winner
Similar theme: I'm looking to replace a family member's old and failing PC. A decent CPU with integrated graphics gives them enough to work with for now, but if they decide they want to play some higher end games in future then a GPU can be purchased at that time. The likelihood is, this will be enough.
I know I'm Late to the party, but the grainy effect is not the Vega 7 it's probably an AMD preset like upscaling or a shader. This processor is a beast. I can use if for dual monitors with a paired GPU or SAM Smart memory access, which allows the Decrete GPU to access and use the memory from the Vega 7 APU. I have 2 5600G and one 5600GT and using them all for gaming. Medium gaming on the ones with just the Vega 7 but still it plays even Elden Ring on medium/low. plus nice to have an APU if your GPU fails
I just got this CPU on Best Buy for $105 USD. Amazon has it too for $105 as of today 6-16-24 but it takes a few weeks to arrive. I also have the same motherboard on the way. I have an RTX 3050 LP, I was about to build something with the R5 5500 but for $23 dollars more I got this 5600GT, slightly faster and if for some reason I want to upgrade the GPU in the future, while the new card arrives etc, I can use this to do light gaming or just use the PC because of the IGPU. Also I replace my computers over time, and I can sell it to someone without my discrete GPU, and they can use it right away. Now, for $140 it was not worth it. The R5 8500G is about $160 now and is way better, but AM5. Thanks for this great video.
This video has made me change my mind and I'm now going to go with the Ryzen 5 5500 and an RX580, saves me AUD$50.00 on the CPU. I was going to run the 5600G and the RX580 but now just sticking with Ryzen 5 5500
I don't get it, that you will have a headache by playing with over 60 fps. I got this CPU within a ASRock X300 Mini PC and I can play Subnautica in 1080p with medium setting very fast. Also some of my other games will run as hell on that machine. Ok, not with 120 or 60 fps but more or less above 50. All is smooth and my power consumption is morles very low. So for someone who is not playing the fully state of the art games this und be a good solution and also very cheap because of the low amount of power over the year.
@@light_gr yep that's what my gaming pc has and it runs anything but I added a RTX 3060 and am using SAM (Smart Memory Access) the pro A is a solid board
I have a little AsRock X300w mini pc and I found a seller on Amazon selling the 5300G for $79 and they still have them in stock and I am quite surprised of its performance with only 4 cores and 6 graphics cores ..and for only $15 more than the 3000g you get way more performance ...but its looking like the new GT is I bet 5700g dies with 2 bad cores disabled rather than a hole new 5600g remake ..just guess but would explain the 4.6 boost speed
unless you're professional gamer or simply rich, u dont need more than 60fps. allowing a game to run in more than 60fps (not limiting it to 60 i mean) is not worth because it eventually drops and u get lagged....
In you researching this chip did you happen to come across conformation that it has more pcie lanes (24 vs 16)then the g? there is mixed information about this chip everywhere and even amd's site does not list full specs on it for some reason. It does support more ram (128gb vs 64gb) then g I have found that out.
This CPU is only 105$ on Amazon today. Ryzen 5500 is about 85$. 4.2ghz vs 4.6ghz will make a difference with a higher end GPU. Especially because cache is limited to 19mb for both listed above. But for 22$ more the 5600 is better because of the extra cache. But I think for around 100$ this falls in line for price/performance ratio. I like integrated graphics because it makes troubleshooting a bad GPU easy. I would consider this and put the money into the GPU. Which we all know matters anyways. Any modern Rx x700 series or RTX x060 series cards will pair with these CPUs resulting in little to no bottleneck in most scenarios.
Good video. A Ryzen 5600 is only a little bit more and can be a lot faster cpu, they are going for around $125 U.S these days. I'd save a little to get that. Apu's are mostly just for casual pc users who watch youtube, play facebook games etc.
After a lot of thinking i am not ready to buy a cpu without a igpu because i dont want to get rid of igpu for 35 mb cache that i wont even use. I have seen a lot of videos that shows the benefits of 35 mb cache in online shooting games but even with gt you are getting good enough fps and to be honest i dont really need more that 60-120 fps to play games. I play rpgs and strategies mostly so 60 fps is more than enough for me and that i gpu can come in handy when my gpu stops working.
Its perfect for something like the Deskmini x300. It can emulate anything. An IGPU is always nice to have! If you have 2 monitors on your main gpu, you lose fps while gaming. So put the second on the mainboard connector. I do a lot with kvm on linux, and you can do gpu passthrough with igpu as well as the dedicated one. Agreed, for dedicated gaming builds its not perfect, for same money you get the 5600 which is still a beast...
HI. Do you have the PBO2 option in the UEFI for the 5600GT, cause i think it's just an OCd 5600G, or in other words a 5600G with "stock PBO2 +200MHz", cause if the 5600GT has a PBO2 +200 MHz option in the UEFI, that would make it boost to 4800 Mhz which would be ridiculous?!
Hi, yes I do have PBO option in the bios under overclock plus 200 MHz's I didn't think to check. MSI afterburner its saying it boast up 4825 MHz and hovers around 4700MHz during gameplay in Apex legends
Great chip for HTPC and games on the side, if you don't chase FPS you don't need that L3, 5600X or even 5700/800X3D has. If you are building a ''GAMING PC'' then AM4 doesn't make sense either unless you already own the mobo, AM5 got cheap and DDR5 too. The title is pretty clickbaity.
what if i want too build this for streaming rig ? i have a decent gaming rig but i want too use this for my streaming build i use a dual pc setup one for streaming one for gaming on high or ultra performance i been wanting too downgrade from a atx full tower too a slim case too fit under my desk
Thanks for the informative video. I think the comparaison is not really fair. If you are a serious gamer you need a $300-400 graphic card to start with which is way more expansive then an integrated graphics. This cheap APU can play modern games in 1080P low settings but also a bazillion older games on high settings. So it is a great and cheap chip for the occasional "gamer". Btw I don't think the video "quality" is bad because of the APU. I have the 5600G which has the same IGP and I have no issue with graphic quality.
Hi, you are correct in that the Ryzen 5 5600 has 32mb of L3 cache, but in this video we are comparing the Ryzen 5 5600G to the Ryzen 5 5600GT. the CPU you are referring to(Ryzen 5 5600) is a complete different chip.
Something to consider that i just found out, the 5600G will not run Windows 11, but the newer 5600GT will. There may be workarounds im not aware of but this is what both AMD and Microsoft are currently saying. I have been using the 5600G since it came out and have 3 systems running it now with Windows 10, tried an upgrade to 11 and couldn't do it, even with Bios etc changes. I may have missed something but at this point im buying 5600GTs to replace my 3 5600Gs.
This is possibly inaccurate as the 5500/5600/5600G/5600GT all support windows 11 on the CPU compatibility listing. Though this is not all that is required to install Windows 11. RAM minimums, BIOS security minimums, and of course storage capacity minimums will come into play among others. TPM levels must not only be enabled, but be of 2.0 or higher revision. UEFI BIOS is required and Secure Boot enabled. A graphics card capable of DirectX12 or later is also required if you are not utilizing the onboard GPU of the 5600G. TLDR, you should be able to use Windows 11 and this is not likely limited to your 5600G/GT choosing.
@igelbofh im just relating MY experiences with this issue, i replaced the 5600G with the 5600gt and Windows 11 installed with no issues. I made no other changes. This happened on 3 different Motherboards from Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. Glad your experiences were not like this, but this IS what happened to mine.
@Amouselives as i explained to igel, this was MY experiences with 3 different Motherboards from Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. Once i swapped out the 5600G for the 5600gt Windows 11 installed with no issues. I made no other changes than the graphics cards. TPM, BIOS, etc i had already changed but until i did the swap it would not work. Now it does.
AMD's apu marketing strategy is complete trash they should just keep the exact same specs as non apu and charge 50$ on top for the G variant this way people could start gaming at low cost and add a dgpu later without worrying any performance loss now all these G/GT variant is just e-waste unless all you want is a htpc
Incorrect. It is cheaper and the 5800x3d processor, for gaming, is pretty much only beat by the 7800x3d which means it is not dead, at all. get 32 gig ram at 3600mhz, the 5800x3d and a graphics card like the 6800xt and you'll be playing games, on ultra, for quite a few years to come and still beat many AM5 systems. By the the AM4 is truly dead, AM6 will be out. So, best to save money to buy something awesome in a few years rather than spending money continuously and not having the funds later down the line.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 Not really.. It will just make the 5800x3d cheaper and the games for the next five years will still be easily handled by said cpu. So it is very much alive. Heck the 5800x3d is miles better than most 7xxx cpus purely because of the 3 times larger cache.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716If you want to buy cheap and not deal with the headaches of these newer mobos then stick with AM4. For the price of getting AM5, you can get a 5600, B450, 32 GB of RAM, and peripherals for all under $350 - $400 if we include taxes.
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Thanks, your vid made me bought 5600GT.
Grats
I must disagree sir. When building a personal rig, a cpu with integrated graphics is preferable, because if you add a discrete GPU, and there are issues preventing any sort of posting, then you could just run the monitor cable directly from the motherboard to diagnose issues, as opposed to pulling other rigs apart for parts.
Finally someone who knows the value of integrated gpu.
@@lance153 yep, it's no longer the ingrated graphics only do word like the old days. I never thought i'd see the day integrated graphics would beat out a 2gb GT1030 I had the APU Blows it away. Totally a believer now. wow gaming with an APU. Love the SAM option for adding a GPU. AMD knocked it out of the park with this one.
So true, i regret every time when i got a cpu without igpu. Like my 10100f.
The point of these APUs is for someone who wants to game right now and can save up for a GPU later. Or if that person is on a tight tight budget. The 5600GT can save them hundreds of dollars while still giving that person a decent experience. The types of people buying these things are gamers who want to get into PC gaming on a strict budget or people building SFF PCs.
I have one holding me over until I get a 3080 Ti here in a few days and it’s honestly exceeded my expectations for the performance it gives.
Most people buy this APU for workstations.
@@JayzBeerz Uh, there’s a huge market of gamers who can only afford integrated graphics and just want something that plays their games decently.
Exactly, I love putting computers together, and sharing good information that will help people out, help them get a nice pc deal. Tbh I got it because the price was great $105, and yes. If I didn’t have my RTX from my last SFF, this would’ve been my APU doing the job for now. Also AM4 MB are cheap and the performance of this APU(CPU) is on pair with the I5-12400F. Even a 4080 Won’t Bottleneck with this processor.
I’m using this until I get my new chip, installed a 6750xt with this and it works well. The GT will go into my wife’s pc replacing a 5-3200 so it’s a winner
Similar theme: I'm looking to replace a family member's old and failing PC. A decent CPU with integrated graphics gives them enough to work with for now, but if they decide they want to play some higher end games in future then a GPU can be purchased at that time. The likelihood is, this will be enough.
I know I'm Late to the party, but the grainy effect is not the Vega 7 it's probably an AMD preset like upscaling or a shader. This processor is a beast. I can use if for dual monitors with a paired GPU or SAM Smart memory access, which allows the Decrete GPU to access and use the memory from the Vega 7 APU. I have 2 5600G and one 5600GT and using them all for gaming. Medium gaming on the ones with just the Vega 7 but still it plays even Elden Ring on medium/low. plus nice to have an APU if your GPU fails
I just got this CPU on Best Buy for $105 USD.
Amazon has it too for $105 as of today 6-16-24 but it takes a few weeks to arrive. I also have the same motherboard on the way. I have an RTX 3050 LP, I was about to build something with the R5 5500 but for $23 dollars more I got this 5600GT, slightly faster and if for some reason I want to upgrade the GPU in the future, while the new card arrives etc, I can use this to do light gaming or just use the PC because of the IGPU. Also I replace my computers over time, and I can sell it to someone without my discrete GPU, and they can use it right away. Now, for $140 it was not worth it. The R5 8500G is about $160 now and is way better, but AM5. Thanks for this great video.
This video has made me change my mind and I'm now going to go with the Ryzen 5 5500 and an RX580, saves me AUD$50.00 on the CPU. I was going to run the 5600G and the RX580 but now just sticking with Ryzen 5 5500
And why so? I'm confused too i wanna surely add gpu so should I also get 5500
It is not waste of money because of igpu (maybe you don’t want to use gpu like me)
Uhm can you suggest me brother am not buying any graphic card and going for 5 5600gt is it worth? Coz am not buying any GPU rn
@@AlwayzFear”waste of money” you do realize people who buy this are on a budget and dont have a gpu?
@@notespabloworth it add gpu later
I don't get it, that you will have a headache by playing with over 60 fps. I got this CPU within a ASRock X300 Mini PC and I can play Subnautica in 1080p with medium setting very fast. Also some of my other games will run as hell on that machine. Ok, not with 120 or 60 fps but more or less above 50. All is smooth and my power consumption is morles very low. So for someone who is not playing the fully state of the art games this und be a good solution and also very cheap because of the low amount of power over the year.
Yes! Gaming below 100 watts is great!!
A 100 FPS in the GPU on a 60fps monitor looks jiddery as heck. Turn on vsync and leave it at 60 for smoothness
Can I put this cpu in an msi b550a pro motherboard?
@@light_gr Hi! Yes! At least you must have BIOS Version 7C56vAD. Then this CPU can be used!
@@light_gr yep that's what my gaming pc has and it runs anything but I added a RTX 3060 and am using SAM (Smart Memory Access) the pro A is a solid board
I have a little AsRock X300w mini pc and I found a seller on Amazon selling the 5300G for $79 and they still have them in stock and I am quite surprised of its performance with only 4 cores and 6 graphics cores ..and for only $15 more than the 3000g you get way more performance ...but its looking like the new GT is I bet 5700g dies with 2 bad cores disabled rather than a hole new 5600g remake ..just guess but would explain the 4.6 boost speed
Does your display have a higher resolution then 1080p? That would explain your blurry image. 1080p should be played on a 1080p display
unless you're professional gamer or simply rich, u dont need more than 60fps. allowing a game to run in more than 60fps (not limiting it to 60 i mean) is not worth because it eventually drops and u get lagged....
Nothing overclocks like an APU. If you want to set OC records use an APU.
In you researching this chip did you happen to come across conformation that it has more pcie lanes (24 vs 16)then the g? there is mixed information about this chip everywhere and even amd's site does not list full specs on it for some reason. It does support more ram (128gb vs 64gb) then g I have found that out.
This CPU is only 105$ on Amazon today. Ryzen 5500 is about 85$. 4.2ghz vs 4.6ghz will make a difference with a higher end GPU. Especially because cache is limited to 19mb for both listed above. But for 22$ more the 5600 is better because of the extra cache. But I think for around 100$ this falls in line for price/performance ratio.
I like integrated graphics because it makes troubleshooting a bad GPU easy.
I would consider this and put the money into the GPU. Which we all know matters anyways. Any modern Rx x700 series or RTX x060 series cards will pair with these CPUs resulting in little to no bottleneck in most scenarios.
Good video. A Ryzen 5600 is only a little bit more and can be a lot faster cpu, they are going for around $125 U.S these days. I'd save a little to get that.
Apu's are mostly just for casual pc users who watch youtube, play facebook games etc.
Not a little bit more bro. It's a lot more in FPS because of the L3 cache 32 not 16. This GT is just a ripped off prices.
@@mobileplayers5008the average pc user does not care about l3 cache
Nice vid. Iḿ planing to build an office pc with the 5600gt and the b45m steel legend. Did you need to upgrade the bios? Thanx
Good video, I just don't like how AMD no longer support Vega but still sell products with Vega graphics
so true
After a lot of thinking i am not ready to buy a cpu without a igpu because i dont want to get rid of igpu for 35 mb cache that i wont even use. I have seen a lot of videos that shows the benefits of 35 mb cache in online shooting games but even with gt you are getting good enough fps and to be honest i dont really need more that 60-120 fps to play games. I play rpgs and strategies mostly so 60 fps is more than enough for me and that i gpu can come in handy when my gpu stops working.
so do you recommend it if i have ryzen 5 3600 or there is no difference at all
no difference
16 vs 32 Mb l3 cache
Its perfect for something like the Deskmini x300. It can emulate anything. An IGPU is always nice to have! If you have 2 monitors on your main gpu, you lose fps while gaming. So put the second on the mainboard connector. I do a lot with kvm on linux, and you can do gpu passthrough with igpu as well as the dedicated one. Agreed, for dedicated gaming builds its not perfect, for same money you get the 5600 which is still a beast...
Johnny, the 5500 is a 5600G with the graphics core disabled. It is not a 5600 which you should get if you use a dGPU.
Does this processor support 4k60 HDR for video playback for a HTPC?
HI. Do you have the PBO2 option in the UEFI for the 5600GT, cause i think it's just an OCd 5600G, or in other words a 5600G with "stock PBO2 +200MHz", cause if the 5600GT has a PBO2 +200 MHz option in the UEFI, that would make it boost to 4800 Mhz which would be ridiculous?!
Hi, yes I do have PBO option in the bios under overclock plus 200 MHz's I didn't think to check. MSI afterburner its saying it boast up 4825 MHz and hovers around 4700MHz during gameplay in Apex legends
@@JohnnyDPCPlayground Oh wow, well then that's the really good silicon! Thanks! :)
Sure if you're are mostly a competitive game and e sports probably not , but can't understan 60fps are decent though but your said are not
Great chip for HTPC and games on the side, if you don't chase FPS you don't need that L3, 5600X or even 5700/800X3D has. If you are building a ''GAMING PC'' then AM4 doesn't make sense either unless you already own the mobo, AM5 got cheap and DDR5 too. The title is pretty clickbaity.
what if i want too build this for streaming rig ? i have a decent gaming rig but i want too use this for my streaming build i use a dual pc setup one for streaming one for gaming on high or ultra performance i been wanting too downgrade from a atx full tower too a slim case too fit under my desk
5600GT on clearance at Best Buy, it's a good deal at close to $100
But if you see 5600gt for less than a 5600g you should get right?
Having the same question. Also what about gt vs The X version
@@jaeminarkae39775600x is a great cpu, but there are no integrated graphics, but it’s much better than 5600g and gt
Thanks for the informative video. I think the comparaison is not really fair. If you are a serious gamer you need a $300-400 graphic card to start with which is way more expansive then an integrated graphics. This cheap APU can play modern games in 1080P low settings but also a bazillion older games on high settings. So it is a great and cheap chip for the occasional "gamer". Btw I don't think the video "quality" is bad because of the APU. I have the 5600G which has the same IGP and I have no issue with graphic quality.
Sir u lost like L3 cache 16mb which the ryzen 5 5600 had. That total of 32mb not 16mb which boosts a lot of FPS and same prices.
Hi, you are correct in that the Ryzen 5 5600 has 32mb of L3 cache, but in this video we are comparing the Ryzen 5 5600G to the Ryzen 5 5600GT.
the CPU you are referring to(Ryzen 5 5600) is a complete different chip.
Does the Risen 5 5600GT processor have a screen card alternative? Does it work as a 5 5600g??
Yes it has igpu to display graphics
@hirakchatterjee5240 thank you 😊
I wish the 5600gt would support pcie 4.0 that would be a huge plus in my opinion
What FPS app do you use to get all the data.. I am using Nvidia's but it gets stuck every now and then
hi, I use MSI Afterburner or Intel Present mod. I have also used a one from Steam its called FPS monitor
What gpu you use?
Something to consider that i just found out, the 5600G will not run Windows 11, but the newer 5600GT will. There may be workarounds im not aware of but this is what both AMD and Microsoft are currently saying. I have been using the 5600G since it came out and have 3 systems running it now with Windows 10, tried an upgrade to 11 and couldn't do it, even with Bios etc changes. I may have missed something but at this point im buying 5600GTs to replace my 3 5600Gs.
This is possibly inaccurate as the 5500/5600/5600G/5600GT all support windows 11 on the CPU compatibility listing. Though this is not all that is required to install Windows 11. RAM minimums, BIOS security minimums, and of course storage capacity minimums will come into play among others. TPM levels must not only be enabled, but be of 2.0 or higher revision. UEFI BIOS is required and Secure Boot enabled. A graphics card capable of DirectX12 or later is also required if you are not utilizing the onboard GPU of the 5600G. TLDR, you should be able to use Windows 11 and this is not likely limited to your 5600G/GT choosing.
@@Amouselives Yep, I run an even older Ryzen 4500 and that works fine. Most likely he hasn't set the TPM up in the BIOS.
That is not true. 5600G runs windows 11 just fine.
@igelbofh im just relating MY experiences with this issue, i replaced the 5600G with the 5600gt and Windows 11 installed with no issues. I made no other changes. This happened on 3 different Motherboards from Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. Glad your experiences were not like this, but this IS what happened to mine.
@Amouselives as i explained to igel, this was MY experiences with 3 different Motherboards from Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. Once i swapped out the 5600G for the 5600gt Windows 11 installed with no issues. I made no other changes than the graphics cards. TPM, BIOS, etc i had already changed but until i did the swap it would not work. Now it does.
The Ryzen 5500 is a 5600G with disabled GPU! (Zen3 Cezanne core)
Really????
watch this with 1.5x playback speed...thank me later nice vid
Boast Clocks were wild
AMD's apu marketing strategy is complete trash
they should just keep the exact same specs as non apu and charge 50$ on top for the G variant
this way people could start gaming at low cost and add a dgpu later without worrying any performance loss
now all these G/GT variant is just e-waste unless all you want is a htpc
Should i buy the RYZEN 5 8600G? Because it has AV1. I plan to upgrade it later.
buy it since it is zen5, you most likely will have many years of new cpu's to upgrade to, saves a lot of money
@@sonicfan-vv6rp Zen 4 i think it is
I think it's good to have a G cpu just in case your gpu fails lmao
nice video 🥰
It's better no
So it's a 5600G with a T for Top Up.
T is for the 10% better performance reported in other head-to-head match-ups.
T for Trash
they still got leftover silicon and dont know what to do with it
@@loucipher7782 Like so many things these days, and to think they don't think we see through their curtain of
deceit.
@@TobyCatVA Team red Team blue, lets through Nvidia in their too, they all seem to do it, 5600gt Super, lol.
Am4 4ever
Zena Plain
You sound like peter weller
Never buy am4, it is a dead platform
Incorrect. It is cheaper and the 5800x3d processor, for gaming, is pretty much only beat by the 7800x3d which means it is not dead, at all. get 32 gig ram at 3600mhz, the 5800x3d and a graphics card like the 6800xt and you'll be playing games, on ultra, for quite a few years to come and still beat many AM5 systems.
By the the AM4 is truly dead, AM6 will be out. So, best to save money to buy something awesome in a few years rather than spending money continuously and not having the funds later down the line.
@stuffmcstuff399 it will be dead when 8000 series x3d cpu's come out and when intel 15th gen comes out late this year or early next year
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 Not really.. It will just make the 5800x3d cheaper and the games for the next five years will still be easily handled by said cpu. So it is very much alive. Heck the 5800x3d is miles better than most 7xxx cpus purely because of the 3 times larger cache.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716If you want to buy cheap and not deal with the headaches of these newer mobos then stick with AM4. For the price of getting AM5, you can get a 5600, B450, 32 GB of RAM, and peripherals for all under $350 - $400 if we include taxes.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716Intel shot their own feet these days… So, AM4 may last longer ever.😅