Enough to turn the tide? Ukraine hails release of long-delayed US military aid • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- Will it be enough to dissipate doubt over Ukraine's ability to hold out in a war of attrition with Russia? After months of delay, the US House of Representatives has finally approved a $60 billion military aid package for Kyiv. Overruling the objections of Republican hardliners, Speaker Mike Johnson praised lawmakers who came together to "answer history's call". That said, he also conferred first with Donald Trump.
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire once said.
Glad we’re back to the old format, this length actually allows for discussion, not just Q and A
The lady in the pink is delusional 😂😂😂
Explain what you mean. Laugh emoji is childish
@@gordonaliasme1104nobody has the obligation to explain what they say, with or without intimidation or patronise
Consider yourself lucky because they cancelled the French version for some reasons. Anyhow I much prefer this host.
I love this panel!! Bring them bacl daily. And gice Francois no days off! We need him😂
Craig might need a bit shorter leash maybe.
yes like dinner table talk
“He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral. Why? Because anger looks to the good of justice. And if you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral as well as unjust.” - Thomas Aquinas
The problem you have there is that people often disagree on what is and what isn't a just cause.
Debate? They all basically say the same thing and agree with each other.
This won't change anything
a full show. yay!
I like the woman in pink. She speaks clearly and calls it as it is.
Finally, a 40+ min debate again. Love this format
This is not a debate!
Absolutely fabulous panel! Every speaker was so helpful!
Excellent that this has returned in the extended format and Francis also came back.
Francois Picard is just an EXCELLENT moderator ! I deeply admire his skill in managing these debates which are sometimes very contentious. I wish I had even one-tenth of his ability.
Just make a note the vote in the Senate Tuesday starts a 30 hour clock for the vote to approve the bill. That might be shortened if some agreement can be made within the Senate but if not the final vote will probably be Thursday. The Atacms missiles are mandated in the House bill so they will be coming (about 1/2 of the stock pile is reaching their expiration date, so give them away or pay someone to destroy them - a no brainer to just flush them to Ukraine to use up)
How right you are....WHERE IS THE AIR COVER UKRAINE DESPERATELY NEEDS?
“Aiding Ukraine, Giving money to Ukraine, is the cheapest possible Way for the US to enhance its security [No US soldiers Are needed to be sent to the Russian Bear’s meat-grinder because the Ukrainians are doing the Fighting and Sacrificing their precious Lives on Behalf of the West; US, EU, Nato].” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
Americans need to watch a channel like this. Thing is I don’t know if we even have one.
It’s so dang boring! Where’s the news of people getting shot in the ghetto?
@@khaldrago911FR24 focuses on International news, if you plug to any right wing TV you'd be surprised how these subjects are much more prevalent.
They have plenty of left-wing channels.
@@JUAN_OLIVIER care to name one ?
@@Nerwesta I’ll help you out and name 3 - MSNBC, CNN & PBS.
Disappointed in the level of pessimism here, the backdrop being Russia can go on and on in this War...no, Russia has serious economic and military problems
How much did the Putin pay the Republicans? 🤣🤣🤣
The sad thing is I don't think he even has to pay them
Une guerre comme celle-ci coûte €1 milliard par semaine. Cette aide US couvrira donc â peu près un an. C'est une année dont l'Europe doit impérativement profiter pour acquérir les moyens de sa défense stratégique autonome, en ce compris celle de l'Ukraine et enfin indépendante des États-Unis.
I don't think Europe is ready to be independent of the US, certainly not in one year, but Europe should be able to match the US, dollar per dollar, in aid going forward. It is your continent after all.
Hi @@tayler2396-- Thank you for your response.
Europe on the whole (so UK, Norway and Switzerland included) spends about €350b per year on defense, thus about half the US. So the wherewithal is there.
What's missing is the willingness to sacrifice some sacred cows and a cohesive strategy.
We'll see if necessity will bring forth some invention. I think it can and hope it will. I agree it will be a challenge.
@@user-ue2tv5rd9e I hope it will work out for Europe. I wonder if there should not be a global security pact to eventually replace NATO, something with minimum standards for democracy, such as having free elections and certain human rights guarantees. Such a pact would include most NATO members, but also Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, etc. Funding might be based on a graduated income system, with low income countries obligated to a lesser percentage and higher income countries investing a higher percentage.
@@tayler2396 interesting concept although us American's are in debt for over 100k dollars per man, woman and child already while European Union citizens are only in around 33k in debt for every man, woman and child. I think your concept would work but we need to be given a substantial amount of time away from our graduated income obligations in the U.S. so we can fix our own mess. We've been Europe's private bodyguard for decades upon decades. It's time for them to pay that back in some way.
This is excellent. No threading on egg shells, no holding back, calling it what it actually is, calling out politicians, etc.....and pointing out what truly needs to be done to put Putin and Russia in their place.
EU must also concentrate on its security interests and help as much as possible Ukraine.
EU should be protecting its own citizens and its economies which are currently collapsing, not foreign countries.
Wrong
@@cooldad7297 ok 2 year account. I definitely trust your logic.
The problem.
Western munitions makers are proffit driven !
Russian munitions makers are purpose driven ?
Pennsylvania has 120,000 Ukrainians and Michigan 45k -
Republicans need those Votes I’m sure that has something to do with GOP giving up on delaying aid to Ukraine
Western Europe has about 10 million, mostly young men !
This was great. Much better than anything happening on American news.
The Older guy does not have time for BS.
He is challenging them making the convo lively
Excellent discussion
“United States Aides Ukraine and Her people So we can fight Russia 🇷🇺 over There in Ukraine 🇺🇦 So we don't have to fight Russia 🇷🇺 Here in the USA 🇺🇸.” - Adam Schiff, US congressman from California
Macron is saying what most leaders in EU are thinking 🧐, but lacks the courage to express. Step up! ⬆️
Keep the faith Ukraine 🇺🇦✌️
Daily Beast, really scraping the bottom of the barrel there.
Hey this is fairly good discourse. Thanks
Republican delays on this are utterly disgusting behavior.
@ems4884 Ukraines next request for aid will be much closer to election time -should be fun to watch.
I agree. But so has the western European general ambivalence to arming Ukraine.
Would that more broadcast news actually engaged as sharply, yet respectfully and enjoyably, with the big issues of the day.
Now for UK / French troops to the west of Ukraine releasing troops to the front for rotation!
Is this even a debate?
The EU has sufficient GDP strength to easily take Russia even with the support of its allies. Unfortunately, the EU isn’t willing to commit the resources to create the military strength to do so. So long as they continue with this attitude, they can be taken one by one.
Day dreaming again ...
Because of human nature sometimes you have to fight; talking time is over, parlay time is over, time to speak in lead.
Ukraine should be given everything and military capabilities that they can defend their territory and defeats Russian aggression, BBC thank you for the insights. Glory to Ukraine!
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - John F. Kennedy
Was that before or after he put missiles In Turkey 🇹🇷
This aid package is a noble lifeline of essential importance, but keeping the Ukraine in the fight is not good enough. Prolonging the war long term is not the right strategy, what is necessary is to shorten it by winning, and that can only be done with NATO involvement in the Ukraine. Not in Russia. Perhaps, if enough, even only in a defensive capacity, shielding the Ukraine from all of Russia’s attacks,so as to allow the Ukrainian army to concentrate all its forces on the front.
Which tide ? I thought you said Ukraine was winning
It is to easy to talk about Germany in the context of the taurus missile. The US didnot supply atacms with (Kerch) bridge shattering abilities. And in the spending on Ukraine Germany is not saving.
The aid package addresses one part of the equation. The other key component will be mobilization.
Power is our advantage and we give it away!! Let's go all in
GOD I wish the US still had shows like this!!!!
We have debate panels, just not ones that are usually international. Then again this a European news site which makes nore sense considering geography
@@rennydesu Fareed Zakaria is an excellent source.
that was a delightful broadcast
No.
An in-depth, intellectual, exigent, and spirited conversation. I wish news in America was not so dumbed down to the lowest common entertainment denominator.
Ukraine should stop complaining. We have democracy in Europe and I haven't seen democracy in Ukraine lately
A spirited, thought provoking, wide ranging discussion. This is what democracy is all about. Best regards, from the USA
Great to always see Greg.
Good for the US House. Good for Johnson.
US and Europe help Ukraine like there's no tomorrow.
Great that US finally approved the aid-package. But there will not be a second aid-package for at least the next 4 years so Europe better step up now and give Ukraine what they need to end the ongoing war in Europe.
I hope there will be aid pack within 4 years I am pretty sure. Probably within 2 years.
There won’t be a country called Ukraine by then, but I’m sure your war mongering government won’t mind. More money to them and their donors 👍🏻
“The Ukrainians are Really tough. The Russians are Really tough. And NATO (the Collective West and the European Union) is Really filthy Rich. That's all the ingredients you need for an Endless war in Europe.” - Brian Eno
Yay US sending aid while Europeans sits on their thumb pretending to care.
Not even a dictatir wants to loose his own country because of a nucleaar escalation. Stop referring to escalation, those with nuk cannot be giving green card to do what they want, and everyone else who could be next saying we don't want exculpation when its already escalated.
Well said. Most of the aid money will stay in US. It will mostly aid private military companies owned by biggest hedge funds. Craig is talking about practical solutions, but they would never go that route. This war is designed to go for years.
It will only delay the advance at best and it won't last a year because most of it is to replace what has been spent already.
Europe should take it as a last time opportunity to put their act together and start producing their own weapons, because it's probably the last US package.
“The Ukrainians are dyin.g Everyday as a nation. We want the war to End as soon as possible. We have No more strength left; neither physical nor mental.” - Olena Oleksandriya, an Elderly Ukrainian resident in the Port City of Odessa
Fascinating, enlightening discussion.
Interesting how the American did his best to maintain the reputation of Americans as brash and crass 😄
Anastasia could really benefit from some accent-reduction courses.
Very educative and well discussed topic. Great panel .
I love it..! More The Debate with Craig Copetas.. please
These guys are delusional 😂 😂😂
They truly are
They’re a bunch of talking heads who have never been anywhere near an actual battle. Their views are worthless.
no.
Macron said this , bla bla bla! but will he do anything? France cannot fight Russia, they have lost all the wars they have fought. Napoleon’s, ww2, Indochina, Algeria….
I don't get the point of this debate. Of course it won't turn the tide! Has Feabxe matched a round of assistance like this? It's a massive influx that will help get Russia off their backs! This Gulliver Gregg hasn't got an ounce if aporeciation for this aid package and he questions Ukraine food security. I don't sense much compassion in the man.
Sanctions shoild be preemptive, not within hours.
Id rather see that 61 billion sink to the bottom of the ocean than be in the hands of Zelenskyy
you make it sound like 60B is enough to win a war.
/smh
Bwahahaha , nope none even close
Intelligence made Johnson change his mind.. ..and his son entering the military!
Americans have fewer air defense systems since they don’t need them for the mainland.
I hope they send her
Where is the russian guy in this debate?
Avoiding the inevitable is that what you now cling to. Emotions of uselessness.
Great debate thanks
Sanctions?
EU, especially Germany are trading with Russia in full scale through Belgrade, Serbia.
From Portugal Lisbon
When we are talking about the quantity of bilateral aid then France is in 13th place behind Finland which has a population of just 5.5 million.
France has a similar sized population to the UK and a similar GDP.
Not counting the EU, the US leads with Germany next at 22.06 billion.
UK is next at 16.16 billion.
Frances contribution amounts 1.8 billion or 8.9% of what the UK provides.
You people really need to wake up.
Good talk /discussion
The American guy with the grey hair seems more than a little unhinged. Tough with words, but with soft hands.
Krenk Kepides is a lil nervous
Love the show, but can we pls stop having Craig on? The guys adds very little while takes away from everyone else.
As an American, I am very happy this package passed. Europe needs to keep funding too. Let's get the job done.
And you think you are very smart!
Your clueless and clearly never studied history at school.
As an Australian, I am pleased that you share this view.
We, The West, must continue to support Ukraine with the adequate means necessary to defeat the imperialist dictator Putin.
I am not a military strategist or geopolitical whiz kid or from any governmental agency. I am an artist and I have never served in the military and we live 2,000 kilometers from Kiev. This debate has been excellent and informative and what I take home after listening to you and many other specialists and experts in the field is that I believe we are not realizing that more than 2 years and 58 days have passed where innocent people as well as combatants on both sides of the conflict are getting killed every day and the time has come to ask ourselves this question: What in the world are we waiting for? President Putin lives in his head and his vision of the world has all of us under his thumb. Let's be real: Putin's head is deteriorating by the day, but someone else just as determined as him is waiting in the wings. The Russians will only stop by us in the west uniting and, yes, risking a limited nuclear exchange. Boys and girls, it's coming no matter what happens and I think we all know this. So; what am I saying here? We must take the initiative and call his bluff and openly declare that if he does not stop operations by 6 June, 2024 for example, that all western governments will send so many troops to Russian front lines that the Russians will be surrendering in droves or getting eliminated in battle by tens of thousands of western military fighters. We can and must stop this madness because it is a cancer in the human community only growing and multiplying by the day. We must cut out this cancer called Putin and call his bluff or pay the consequences of what more time is going to bring to the Russian side: more weapons of death and destruction to be rained down on the Ukrainian people sleeping in their beds. This war is evil in HD 3D for Ukraine.
Nice chat guys. I believe that you really have the current situation covered well. Macron has a loud voice when he wants to use it. Those newer ATACMS will be a valuable asset. I feel the future of Ukraine is a bit less ambiguous now. Hopefully that sense will keep improving. Even I was starting to wonder what concessions would look like, and I have been incredibly optimistic about Ukraine achieving most if not all of its goals.
Russia is all in on this. The west is not and Ukraine is fully dependent on them. Over time, the situation for Ukraine is very bad.
Russia hasn't got time. In another two years, it's facing insolvency.
Come on. Russia with its old dictators and fragile economy will not prevail.
6 months from now they will be asking for another 50 billion dollar package.... while russiia is selling oil and building more ammo in six months than the west can build in a year with its immense economy. its a game.... the military industrial complex would like to draw this out for a decade.
I guess, guy, but Putin won't live long either
West doesn't need to be "all in" to help defend russia
Europe seems to be like the Nice Civilized Guy caught between Two Gangsters. And unable to evade their violent games.
Civilized guy you say? 😂😂😂😂
@@petermomanyi529 well the Germans cheap and vast natural gas supply line was brought to a standstill.. with a gun held to their head.. and they had to grin and bear it. And had to obsequiously find reasons to support the actions which destroyed their economy.
@@petermomanyi529
Can you give an example of a civilized country or alliance of countries in the world?
Thanks.
@@TheAirSchool None. "Civilized" is just a bigoted phrase people use to make themselves feel nice and superior.
You must be related to jungle Josep Borrell.
"That's why they really need the Americans to send theirs"😂😂😂😂😂
What are we chopped liver? Why would we not need our patriot? Are we a grocery store you just placed your order with.
😂😂😂😂
What debate ??? Just time wasters ….
Stop beating around the bush...money Exchanged hands
Nope
I hope this time every thing on the table for Ukraine to win and no shortages in supply.they are the one feeling all of this for us ..we need to get rid of the aggressor
“Actions are needed. Words matter but Actions are needed in order to save Ukraine, and actually in order to save an entire civilization, mainly the Western civilization; the Free World. We have to frame this war [Russia-Ukraine war] in that context. This war is Not just a war between Ukraine and Russia. This is the war that criminal Putin waged against Nato; the Western civilization, and actually against Humanity.” - Arseniy Yatsenyuk, former PM of Ukraine
And they said that the Ukrainian are criminal as well said by those people in Donbass area?
you call the WEST civilized? don't make me laugh.....
NATO is the greatest threat to peace and should be disbanded asap…
Ukraine's biggest problem is manpower. Across the battlefield, Ukraine does not have enough soldiers.
Therefore, this 60 billion dollars in military support will only prolong the defeat with many more Ukrainians dying, perhaps 100,000. The longer the conflict goes on, Ukraine will lose more and more land, perhaps all the way to the Dnieper River. In addition, the Russian peace terms will become increasingly harsh the longer the conflict is allowed to continue.
This is one of the channels one should not listen to if you want objective journalism. These channels do not distinguish between objective journalism or objective view from wishful thinking.
Defend urself!!
For once, someone is talking about lasting peace. Zelenskyy “demands” or peace plan is not realistic if Russia (understandably) doesn’t go along with. Besides Russia has the upper hand so they are the one who could dictate
We will never support the continuation of western hegemony
You all must see what is hapening😊