Dude I stumbled across this video trying to figure out a philosophy for picking a secondary and my heart stopped when you started talking about maining Roar and secondary Bowser because THAT'S LITERALLY ME THOSE ARE MY TWO BEST CHARACTERS and I was trying to figure out if that was a good setup or not! I feel both DIRECTLY called out and enlightened at the same time, that was genuinely eerie.
Absolutely, dude. I still like them best but that's because the Power archetype is my jam, so I flip around between Roar, Bowser, and DK because I can use a lot of the same tricks with all of them. What I should do tho is look into the other classes for characters who fit into their own category while also leaning close to the Power style too. I can see myself really enjoying Falcon as a fast-paced "get in and combo" guy who can bring the hype just as well as Roar, and Cloud is a Sword who absolutely brings the power I'm looking for with just a little more range. It's definitely given me a lot to think about.
Just give a chance to all the characters in the roster 3 games , everyone even if you think is not for you , for example i started as a Ness main cause i like Earthbound , then i see that was not my style and Main Ryu but didnt like his recovery , then finded cool roy but i wasnt sure and i Main Captain falcon
@@ant0nip248 that's the problem, I do well with so many characters and I get bored after playing one for too long. People I've thought of maining are peach, fox, luigi, ness, captain falcon, sheik, falco, young link, ganon, chrom, zss, dedede, joker, hero, and terry. I can't think of one because they're all fun
Can we get a pt2 to this video where you give suggestions for each characters most optimal 2-3 Secondaries in your opinion? While I'm asking for crap would really be interested in seeing which characters end up in your Hybrids categories and why. I Love combinations of things xD
I feel Wolf is one of the best secondaries for a Falco, since even though their attacks are almost the same and therefore translate well, they play completely different and compliment their weaknesses well.
Not to mention having a clean Falco could get you wins that the Wolf may not just because, people are more practiced in the Wolf match-up on average ( I would assume because, Wolf is a fucking manimal that lots of people play and I rarely see Falco's)
This video is spot on. I have a top 3 set of characters that I use and they are mixed types of fighters. 1. Palutena 2. Mega Man 3. Dr. Mario Palutena is a fast, semi-sword/projectile fighter with a reflector. Mega Man is a zoner who can rush in, if he has to. Dr. Mario is a slow, powerhouse with a reflector. He can zone with pills and rush in and hit hard when necessary. All 3 have different playstyles (with some similarities), and their matchups are different. Learning these 3 characters has helped me learn all the matchups pretty well and I know how to counter pick most fighters.
I'm glad that you secondary Doc. He's the most underrated 'heavy' in the game. Aside from that, he's really fun and I enjoy getting cheesey KOs off of Cyclone.
I think pocketing an echo of your main is fine. You don't need to relearn everything, and it can help with some matchups. Like for me, I main Roy, but I will use Chrom if I feel the matchup suits it. I also use Fox as a counter to zoners, with his speed and reflector. I also pocket Incineroar, mostly as an unga bunga surprise motherfucker thing, it also counters zoners, but in a different way, since I can just sauce up on projectiles and kill them at 40% with an f-tilt.
This was one of the best videos on Smash I've seen in a while. I main Little Mac (I guess he's a speed character), and I'm looking for other characters to play. I've been having fun and success with Zelda, (Dark) Pit, and K. Rool. Though I think Mii Brawler and Swordfighter are fun, too. The one problem with having so many characters in this game is that it's hard to narrow it down to just a few. With a great amount of possibilities comes an equal amount of frustration. (And there are still more characters coming ...)
Took me 6 months to figure the 3 characters that I would want to use competitively. Lot of research, experimenting, and trial and error but worth it. I’m sure you’ll find yours in due time.
I main samus and secondary Ness... Maybe I’ll try out Fox, playing Fox In casual is really fun, also he is not a projectile character like Ness or Samus.
I'm 8 months out of being relevant, but I don't think Ness is really a full projectile character. His projectiles feel too telegraphed and exploitable to be the basis for a camping playstyle, and I've had and seen the most success on him when you utilize his rushdown ability with shorthop aerial juggles and psi magnet to carry people across the stage and rack up percent with fire as a mixup, and only use thunder when you can threaten either the poke or ko options with that move. I play against a lot of heavys, so juggling is a lot easier and that might skew my read, but it's hard for me to identify him as projectile first.
Dylan Chen Honestly idk any other Falco mains irl but I wouldn’t be surprised. Link is great, he zones and he kills easily; complete opposite of Falco so it works out great! 😊
@@marienamiah2497 thats a fantastic combo, thats what i did at first as well, i still play link quite a bit but im trying to get mewtwo and shulk going, i just enjoy them more,
maybe mewtwo, my shulk isnt that fancy just yet, like i can win with him, but its nothing that makes you say daaaaaaammmmnnn lol so ill have to work on him more before you see a shulk montage :p@@marienamiah2497
I main Pichu, and want to secondary DK, do you think this is a good combo? If not, do you have any suggestions as to who I should secondary with Pichu?
I don't think DK is the most advisable secondary. The point of secondaries in competitive play is that cover bad matchups, and to be entirely honest DK struggles in the majority of matchups. I would suggest byleth or Richter as a secondary as they both have some absurdly broken matchups in which your opponent can't do much and they're both quite easy to pick up.
What character type would Palutena be considered? I’m a Falco main who’s thinking about using either Richter or Wolf as a projectile class character and for swords I’m thinking Roy or Ike. But Palutena has been a character I’ve been enjoying the most surprisingly due to her amazing moveset.
it also is going to boil down to your regions major characters, for me, my region is over run with pichu and inkling, so picking up wolf. roy, or richter might not be in my best interest, but mewtwo and link make more sense for me, so ask yourself, who is in my region that i need to worry about? what kind of stuff do i keep losing to? that should be a good start, @@matiasrivera2087
Meta Of Smash I actually was looking into picking up Mewtwo especially with his dark skin which is a reference to Shadow Lugia from Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness but the only thing about him is how difficult is it going to be to master B-reversing with his Shadow Ball. And also is he a projectile character who’s playstyle is similar to Falco’s playstyle?
Joker is not a sword by any means. His back air and f tilt are the only good neutral moves that have range that isn't garbage. And yeah, gun and eiha are a thing, but that's kinda like calling melee falco a projectile character. And joker can't kill without a smash attack/unsafe aerial drag down off of a read until about 140 at ledge without arsene. He's really just a speedy kinda thing
@@thebee0320 Joker is far from a speedy kinda thing. He has possibly the best protectiles in the game, falco ain't got shit on gun and eiha, makes up for the projectile class. He is crazy fast. With Arsene he can hit harder than some heavies and has more than enough power. Bair and f tilt are some of his best moves. You're being pedantic as fuck, a dagger is a bit like a sword. He has plenty of range and with Arsene more than enough. He even has down B counter like nearly all the swordies. No I'm not saying he is literally a sword character, which is why I said 'kind of'. Joker can fill so many roles and is an extremely deep char
So I currently main Alph, secondary DK and have a pocket Zelda. DK and Zelda started as comfort picks whenever Alph wasn't working out for me because I mained DK with a Zelda secondary in smash 4. Then I suddently get obsessed with greninja and play only him for 2 weeks straight. The next tournament I go to I have to use all 4 of my characters to even slightly stay afloat because all of them suddently suck. I'm out at 5th after being upset by a gannon, and last time I got second with only Alph and DK loosing to a pichu in winners finals and grands. I guess my point is don't have 4 mains and focus on the characters you have that cover each other well. I guess Alph really doesn't need a secondary, but because my DK doesn't take much work to maintain, I use him when I get flustered by all I need to keep track of as Alph In a fast matchup. I am however keeping zelda for now because the pichu main (and seemingly everyone else at my local) has a Zelda problem. So really I'm free to only practice my main and git gud so now I just need to get my shit together and start practicing and learning to be the bad guy. Because nobody wants to play an Alph in friendlies.
Yeah, no wonder. You play two of the most annoying characters to fight. But honestly, it doesn't matter what people say, as long as the characters are best suited for you.
I'm trying to work on Falco as my main and have Ike and Mega Man as my secondaries. Ike fits into the strength and sword category, and I like him a lot.
i can say that playing falco and ike would bea pretty good combo, and id like to say megaman fits as well because he is a good projectile character, how ever megaman requires an incredible amount of work to optimize and you might find yourself playing him at a very low level for a very long time, imo if megaman isnt your main, id say he is one of the hardest characters in the game to have as a secondary and its boarderline not worth it because he takes so much time and effort to play him you might be better off playing someone like villager, toon link or dark samus to compliment ike and falco
Tip: if you main a speed character, a swordie is a good secondary because most speed characters don’t have a lot of range and the sword character cover that weakness. For example if you main Pikachu, a character like Shulk or Lucina is a good secondary.
I’m a Ganon main who’s started picking up Fox, Lucina, Terry, and now recently Sonic as secondaries. I greatly enjoy all those characters too, and watching this video makes me feel a little better about this combo of characters too. My main is a power character, but I also have a sword character and two speed characters, and Terry is also kind of power and projectile character, although I could probably get a better projectile character. I also have fun with Lucario, so I could probably go with him! Since Ganon has so many bad matchups, I’m not really doing it to cover matchups, but for a more diverse list of characters to play and switch to. However, if I am REALLY getting frustrated with certain matchups and just want to really just win because it’s a tournament, once I get my secondaries to be better than just meh, I’ll likely pull them out in bracket. However, I’ll mainly stick with Ganon unless I’m getting frustrated or just feel like one of my secondaries is significantly better to choose
I main Cloud because he has pretty good range/back air and combos, also limit is great (sword) I secondary Mewtwo because he has great recovery unlike cloud, has an amazing ledge guard game, and is pretty technical for example up b canceling at ledge wave bouncing etc.
I'm Link/MK and despite Link being a zoner/heavy and MK being more rushdown, with both of them I throw out a lot of hitboxes and try to control the stage and force the opponent to play my game. And that's really not unique to just them either, if it's not throwing out attacks it's vying for a favorable position. I think it just comes down to learning how to use different tools (projectiles, speed, big & powerful hitboxes) to do the same job (spacing, trapping, punishing) so the more different styles you learn, the better you understand the core of the game itself
I find it really interesting how some characters just feel "right" to play and others just don't feel so good. It must be quite a personal thing. I'm a Samus main, but when it came to finding a secondary I had no idea who to go for, so I played my way through the roster. Was really surprised when I found out that Bowser felt really good to play as, as he's not like Samus at all. Wierdly, as a tertiary charachter, after trying a bunch of rushdown fighters, Mii Brawler was the only one I felt I could properly control.
I’m a puff main and I secondary Fox just cause I love playing both of those characters. I’ve never thought of how those characters compliment each other but now that I think about it I have no idea what archetype puff would fall into.
I play Falco too and my secondaries are Dark Pit and Roy You don’t have to be like this Think of someone you like someone that you have memory with in his game
This is a great video! I'd be really interested to see a Pt 2 on what characters actually would be great compliments to your main. For example, I'm terrible at trying to select a main for myself (have been since release) so I'm actually giving PT a try as a main. But to cover the bad matchups none of the 3 fighters can handle, im also seeing if Shulk and Mega Man can fill in the gaps. What do you think?
What Archetype is Lucas? He's seems best played evasively (like a zoner), but pk fire is really his only reliable zoning tool, thunder/freeze work best to gimp recoveries. Then he has beefy smashs like a heavy, and his tilts are disjoints like a swordie. I've played him off and on for a while but idk what proper playstyle for him lol.
Not fox. Luigi's worst match-uos are against swords. Greninja has great anti-airs, is low to the ground, and is difficult to edgeguard. He does really well against some of the more prominent swordies in the game Roy is strong, fast, kills early, has decent combos, and has the range. If you're going to pick one, pick one of those two. The guy who made the video did a decent job, and while he technically didn't say anything wrong, it was more like a brief overview. Picking up a secondary is very complicated and something that takes a lot of decision making. He didn't go over the actual strengths of any individual character.
I main Toon Link and Mario, also secondary Jigglypuff. Wait, what category does Jigglypuff fall into? Speed, Hit and Run, or what? I know Tink and Mario are a good balance, I just don't know what category Jiggs applies in.
I main Mario and Secondary Inkling for swordie match ups. Inkling outrages a lot of sword characters, so even though they are technically rush down, I basically use them as anti-swordies
Nice video had the same problem maining Falco and also playing pika they are both kinda similar in their playstile. Now I main Falco with olimar secondary to cover my bad matchups which works way better 👌🏻
I have trouble against Wolf with all of my characters (Cloud, Ridley, and Diddy Kong), and I know they all fall into different categories. What category does Wolf even fall into, and what are decent counterpicks for him? He seems to be in all four, in my opinion (fast with long-lingering hurtboxes, puts on great damage & has reliable true combos, has pretty huge disjoints, and has a very reliable and annoying projectile)
My main is ganondorf, My secondary is ike and im trying too also have falco (your videos are a great help btw), I also play mewtwo as a pocket I guess, is this a good setup?
Probably Captain Falcon, he’s very similar to Ganon but is much faster and much more combo heavy, though you may struggle against swordies, in that case, it may sound unhelpful, but you just gotta learn the matchup man, work around them
I main Marth and specifically just marth. So I decide my secondary based around his weaknesses. If it’s a less favorable match up like wolf then I switch to Lucina or if it’s finals in a local tournament. There both fast enough to go-toe-to with fox and a lot to other fast melee character, and while heavy characters are a pain for these two. I have enough experience under my belt to say I understand the match up well enough to know what to do. In general I find the most difficulty in dealing with projectiles characters. For me the most success I found are the Belmonts as counters. They are solid picks for a few of Marth/Lucina’s less favorable matchups. They got great edge guarding tools(the main reason I picked them). And complement each other well.(it also doesn’t help castvaina and Fe are my favorite series but that’s besides the point). I also have Ike as a pocket and I’m giving Palutena another shot. I’m actually quite liking Btow!Link and Ken but I want to keep focus on what I have. What do you think?
I started to main Falco like literally half a week ago and I think I’ve adapted pretty well, and I secondary my old main, which is pikachu, although until I get a lan adapter, these characters are too fast for the online mode lag, even then I’m not sure if it’s that much better with an adapter But I’ll probably change my secondary because for a while the definition of secondary for me has just been “old main” But third edit now that I think about it, pikachu isn’t even my secondary, my true secondary has been Dark Samus, my first main in this game was Samus. And this channel is kind of perfect for that since you guys play Falco and Dark Samus
Hi, i maybe late and you don’t even respond but I saw you taking in question so I just wanted to ask, is it ok if you don’t use a main? You just use a pool of characters, and if so is Marth/fox/bowser a good match up? I see that I don’t use a projectile and wanted to know if that is ok.
My mains/secondaries that I'm good with: Rosalina, Palutena, Peach, Lucina/Roy/Chrom, Mii Gunner, Pyra, Ganondorf, Bowser, Banjo & Kazooie, and yet I still don't really have one true main. Willing to take any suggestions. Favorites to play as would have to be Rosalina and Palutena, but I'm about equally good with most if not all of these I've listed.
I’m thinking Terry is a Power/Projectile hybrid character. Now I’m thinking I lean towards heavy power characters because I enjoy Bowser, DK and P Plant. Samus feels like a good secondary to my Terry main. I kind of want to pick up a rush down / Speed character and a Sword character... loved this video. Unexpected gem suggested by RUclips.
Not sure if you’re still answer these but id love feedback on my setup. My main is Pika for speed, and Hero for swordie. I’d like to think Megaman could make for a good projectile character while either Incineroar, or Pokemon Trainer with a Zard specialty.
I main mii brawler and secondary the other 2 mii fighters. My issue for results is that instead of finding my rhythm with brawler, I end up having good days and bad days that result in playing each of them instead of always playing brawler well. Any help?
I would love to see a video where you’ve sprted the characters into their classes, since my mains all kinda fit into 2 catagories... So I play a lot of Robin, Wiifit, and the Pits... My issue is that I feel like robin and wiifit both struggle against the same characters even though they’re both vastly different so i’ve picked up dark pit because he can beat the spammers that robin can’t...
My ridley is in Elite smash and of course ridley has bad a lot of bad match ups even though I know how to play and from a disadvantage I would to find a secondary
Fellas, I'm a Joker main so I have a question for y'all, is it a good option to have Palutena as a secondary? I've been using her for some time and I like it but I wanna know people's opinions
Ranged or projectile characters will probably be your worst nightmare. Why not pick a rushdown character? Mac is a bait and punish character that usually has to stay in the middle of the stage and being one of the worst characters in the game has plenty of bad MUs. Maybe picking a character with very little to no bad MUs might be your best bet? Pikachu may work given it can be played offensively and defensively and one of the characters with the least amount of bad match ups. Pikachu also has an incredible edgeguard game and can go very deep off stage. Pikachu is also very combo friendly with many different combo options. A polar opposite of Mac, I think this one might be the best choice. There’s also Joker. Joker is a mix of rushdown with other archetypes but that alone offers more options and flexibility than Mac who is limited on stage. Joker can go a good distance offstage and offers a good aerial game. Fox is another option. Fox relies on Smash attacks for kills and offers great movement on the ground like Mac. Unlike Mac, his neutral B can force a camping projectile character to come to you and also has a reflector to counter against projectiles as well. I don’t think Fox will be too far from Mac in ground game but he relies on getting very close to the opponent and mixing up your approach options often.
My main is Fox. I haven't settled on a secondary yet but out of the 4 categories you mentioned the one I have the most experience with is roy because he was my secondary in 4 plus he is awesome in ultimate. I also play a bit of dedede as my gag character and mega man from time to time because I love mega man games (other than the originals because I prefer the mobility of x over the original but would say legends is my favorite series closely followed by battle network). Any way what I want to know is should I just keep roy as my secondary like he was in 4, switch to mega man or dedede, or practice all 3 as situational backups? Any advice would be greatly appreciated cause I'm basically going through my character crisis right now lol.
I started maining Samus after jumping around for quite a bit. I'm having trouble finding a secondary. I've jumped around quite a bit and so far, I might be landing on Fox or Lucina. Are those good compliments for Samus? I found myself struggling against over projectile characters and I figured those two might be good against them. I used to main cloud and Mewtwo but it feels weird having them as a secondary, to me at least.
Joker is good against swordies as long as you camp (yes, I do know your comment is a whole year old and might not be relevant to you anymore because of you finding a secondary already)
@@ZerosiiniFIN You're welcome! I'm glad you found a main. I know this isn't important but I actually used to main Wolf in Ultimate (I might reconsider maining him though).
I play wario and a super spacery mii gunner. I don't know which is my main or secondary, but I am pretty sure that they cover each other's weaknesses very well.
I have projectile link power ike or bowser sword lucina speed roy.all diff style, but swordies. Does that have good coverage since they are diff types or does all them having swords make them all kind of the same ?
I main zss and I’m trying to find a secondary, I personally like cloud or fox for that position but I don’t know if these characters compliment zss very well… What do you think ?
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I’m from Chicago, and everyone from outside sounds painfully slow
Wish I had read this before watching.
@@flamethefurry3516 this guy must sound even worse then, I presume
The pace of this video reminds me of Master Oogway blowing out candles
Dude I stumbled across this video trying to figure out a philosophy for picking a secondary and my heart stopped when you started talking about maining Roar and secondary Bowser because THAT'S LITERALLY ME THOSE ARE MY TWO BEST CHARACTERS and I was trying to figure out if that was a good setup or not! I feel both DIRECTLY called out and enlightened at the same time, that was genuinely eerie.
StarkMaximum 👀 that's crazy lol. Hopefully this video helped
Absolutely, dude. I still like them best but that's because the Power archetype is my jam, so I flip around between Roar, Bowser, and DK because I can use a lot of the same tricks with all of them. What I should do tho is look into the other classes for characters who fit into their own category while also leaning close to the Power style too. I can see myself really enjoying Falcon as a fast-paced "get in and combo" guy who can bring the hype just as well as Roar, and Cloud is a Sword who absolutely brings the power I'm looking for with just a little more range. It's definitely given me a lot to think about.
Roar?
Edit: nvm, incin
Yeah my bad I started calling him Roar because I got tired of typing Incineroar so often.
@@StarkMaximum
I always call him "Incin".
My favorite swordie is Olimar.
Dope. Mine is Ganon
Dope. Mine is Mario.
Issac Santana lol ganon actually has a sword tho
But what’s your least favorite sword character? Mine is sonic
Denim Davis nah least favorite swordie is pikachu
haha, pick a secondary? I dont even have a solid main
Im picking up dk lol get fked, not bc i saw this, i already was
Try dedede he is fun character
@@ariesomega2487 yes cancer has quite a lot of fun but a person dealing with it is changed forever even after fully healed
Just give a chance to all the characters in the roster 3 games , everyone even if you think is not for you , for example i started as a Ness main cause i like Earthbound , then i see that was not my style and Main Ryu but didnt like his recovery , then finded cool roy but i wasnt sure and i Main Captain falcon
@@ant0nip248 that's the problem, I do well with so many characters and I get bored after playing one for too long. People I've thought of maining are peach, fox, luigi, ness, captain falcon, sheik, falco, young link, ganon, chrom, zss, dedede, joker, hero, and terry. I can't think of one because they're all fun
Can we get a pt2 to this video where you give suggestions for each characters most optimal 2-3 Secondaries in your opinion?
While I'm asking for crap would really be interested in seeing which characters end up in your Hybrids categories and why. I Love combinations of things xD
I would love to see that too
I feel Wolf is one of the best secondaries for a Falco, since even though their attacks are almost the same and therefore translate well, they play completely different and compliment their weaknesses well.
Esorono Their attacks are nothing alike. Only thing remotely similar is their specials
The problem would be that wolf is just overall a better character so why not just play that character overall
@@Parmas3an He probably likes playing both characters. That's like suggesting someone to drop Roy and main their secondary Lucina.
Not to mention having a clean Falco could get you wins that the Wolf may not just because, people are more practiced in the Wolf match-up on average ( I would assume because, Wolf is a fucking manimal that lots of people play and I rarely see Falco's)
This is my philosophy with Ganon and captain falcon
This video deserves way more views
It also deserves a faster version
This video is spot on. I have a top 3 set of characters that I use and they are mixed types of fighters.
1. Palutena
2. Mega Man
3. Dr. Mario
Palutena is a fast, semi-sword/projectile fighter with a reflector.
Mega Man is a zoner who can rush in, if he has to.
Dr. Mario is a slow, powerhouse with a reflector. He can zone with pills and rush in and hit hard when necessary.
All 3 have different playstyles (with some similarities), and their matchups are different. Learning these 3 characters has helped me learn all the matchups pretty well and I know how to counter pick most fighters.
I'm glad that you secondary Doc. He's the most underrated 'heavy' in the game. Aside from that, he's really fun and I enjoy getting cheesey KOs off of Cyclone.
I think you should make a spectrum of the characters and their style
Bob Shnickel there’s a chart on Reddit. Google it
@@r.i.petika829 how helpful
Word lol like where is this chart 😂 is there a link?
I main Lucina, secondary Marth and have a pocket Roy.
Girl Marth, King Marth, and Red Marth. Perfect. .W.
Lol
I think pocketing an echo of your main is fine. You don't need to relearn everything, and it can help with some matchups. Like for me, I main Roy, but I will use Chrom if I feel the matchup suits it. I also use Fox as a counter to zoners, with his speed and reflector. I also pocket Incineroar, mostly as an unga bunga surprise motherfucker thing, it also counters zoners, but in a different way, since I can just sauce up on projectiles and kill them at 40% with an f-tilt.
Do you think inkling is a good secondary for roy?
This was one of the best videos on Smash I've seen in a while.
I main Little Mac (I guess he's a speed character), and I'm looking for other characters to play. I've been having fun and success with Zelda, (Dark) Pit, and K. Rool. Though I think Mii Brawler and Swordfighter are fun, too.
The one problem with having so many characters in this game is that it's hard to narrow it down to just a few. With a great amount of possibilities comes an equal amount of frustration.
(And there are still more characters coming ...)
Took me 6 months to figure the 3 characters that I would want to use competitively. Lot of research, experimenting, and trial and error but worth it. I’m sure you’ll find yours in due time.
I main samus and secondary Ness... Maybe I’ll try out Fox, playing Fox In casual is really fun, also he is not a projectile character like Ness or Samus.
I'm 8 months out of being relevant, but I don't think Ness is really a full projectile character. His projectiles feel too telegraphed and exploitable to be the basis for a camping playstyle, and I've had and seen the most success on him when you utilize his rushdown ability with shorthop aerial juggles and psi magnet to carry people across the stage and rack up percent with fire as a mixup, and only use thunder when you can threaten either the poke or ko options with that move. I play against a lot of heavys, so juggling is a lot easier and that might skew my read, but it's hard for me to identify him as projectile first.
I’ve decided to main Falco and secondary Botw Link. I think they compliment each other really nicely!
Is that a common thing with Falco mains? Because I'm doing the same
Dylan Chen Honestly idk any other Falco mains irl but I wouldn’t be surprised. Link is great, he zones and he kills easily; complete opposite of Falco so it works out great! 😊
@@marienamiah2497 thats a fantastic combo, thats what i did at first as well, i still play link quite a bit but im trying to get mewtwo and shulk going, i just enjoy them more,
Meta Of Smash Shulk is so sick but way too complicated for me though atm haha. Will we see some Shulk/Mewtwo montages in the future?
maybe mewtwo, my shulk isnt that fancy just yet, like i can win with him, but its nothing that makes you say daaaaaaammmmnnn lol so ill have to work on him more before you see a shulk montage :p@@marienamiah2497
I main Pichu, and want to secondary DK, do you think this is a good combo? If not, do you have any suggestions as to who I should secondary with Pichu?
Winter Kloudz I know I’m late but you could use ike
I don't think DK is the most advisable secondary. The point of secondaries in competitive play is that cover bad matchups, and to be entirely honest DK struggles in the majority of matchups. I would suggest byleth or Richter as a secondary as they both have some absurdly broken matchups in which your opponent can't do much and they're both quite easy to pick up.
What character type would Palutena be considered? I’m a Falco main who’s thinking about using either Richter or Wolf as a projectile class character and for swords I’m thinking Roy or Ike. But Palutena has been a character I’ve been enjoying the most surprisingly due to her amazing moveset.
And king k rool is power/heavy or proyectile?
Matías Rivera Carvajal He’s a hybrid of both imo. But actually now that I think about it I think Palutena is a speed and projectile hybrid.
it also is going to boil down to your regions major characters, for me, my region is over run with pichu and inkling, so picking up wolf. roy, or richter might not be in my best interest, but mewtwo and link make more sense for me, so ask yourself, who is in my region that i need to worry about? what kind of stuff do i keep losing to? that should be a good start, @@matiasrivera2087
Meta Of Smash I actually was looking into picking up Mewtwo especially with his dark skin which is a reference to Shadow Lugia from Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness but the only thing about him is how difficult is it going to be to master B-reversing with his Shadow Ball. And also is he a projectile character who’s playstyle is similar to Falco’s playstyle?
@@gabrieltorre4144 also a referemce to pokken tournament :^
Just picked up falco because he's a lot of fun.. I wanted more of a combo character that compliments Bowser.. Seems pretty good so far!
I main incineroar and secondary Toon link
Wait what? You don't care?
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Ayo I care Toon best link 👍
I main Samus...
@@cakecakes31 poopy samus main hehe
@@abrahammatthews9665 I main Lucas now.....
I don't know if that's better..
Cake Cakes it’s not
Joker is kind of all four of those classes, if you count his knife as a sort of sword
Joker is not a sword by any means. His back air and f tilt are the only good neutral moves that have range that isn't garbage. And yeah, gun and eiha are a thing, but that's kinda like calling melee falco a projectile character. And joker can't kill without a smash attack/unsafe aerial drag down off of a read until about 140 at ledge without arsene. He's really just a speedy kinda thing
@@thebee0320 Joker is far from a speedy kinda thing. He has possibly the best protectiles in the game, falco ain't got shit on gun and eiha, makes up for the projectile class. He is crazy fast. With Arsene he can hit harder than some heavies and has more than enough power. Bair and f tilt are some of his best moves. You're being pedantic as fuck, a dagger is a bit like a sword. He has plenty of range and with Arsene more than enough. He even has down B counter like nearly all the swordies. No I'm not saying he is literally a sword character, which is why I said 'kind of'. Joker can fill so many roles and is an extremely deep char
I main Falco and have been thinking between Palutena or Lucas as a secondary. Awesome videos btw Trix!
Please have some respect and don’t play Lucas 😂😂😂
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Thanks for the tips! I now main Mewtwo as always and secondary Pichu and Cloud, it will take some time to get used to tho
I have a question, do Banjo and Kazooie fall into the "projectile" character category or "sword" character category?
So I currently main Alph, secondary DK and have a pocket Zelda. DK and Zelda started as comfort picks whenever Alph wasn't working out for me because I mained DK with a Zelda secondary in smash 4. Then I suddently get obsessed with greninja and play only him for 2 weeks straight. The next tournament I go to I have to use all 4 of my characters to even slightly stay afloat because all of them suddently suck. I'm out at 5th after being upset by a gannon, and last time I got second with only Alph and DK loosing to a pichu in winners finals and grands.
I guess my point is don't have 4 mains and focus on the characters you have that cover each other well. I guess Alph really doesn't need a secondary, but because my DK doesn't take much work to maintain, I use him when I get flustered by all I need to keep track of as Alph In a fast matchup. I am however keeping zelda for now because the pichu main (and seemingly everyone else at my local) has a Zelda problem. So really I'm free to only practice my main and git gud so now I just need to get my shit together and start practicing and learning to be the bad guy. Because nobody wants to play an Alph in friendlies.
Yeah, no wonder. You play two of the most annoying characters to fight. But honestly, it doesn't matter what people say, as long as the characters are best suited for you.
I main pichu and diddy kong
is my secondary
@@danielyoussef5595 I like that combo. Pichu being very high risk high reward and diddy having the ability to play very safe, slow and composed.
I main Villager, a lightweight comboing zoner, and Byleth, a long-ranged, slow power swordsperson. I think that’s a good balance.
I main Zss (a speed/ rush down character) and I'm trying to pick up villager do u think that could work?
I'm trying to work on Falco as my main and have Ike and Mega Man as my secondaries. Ike fits into the strength and sword category, and I like him a lot.
i can say that playing falco and ike would bea pretty good combo, and id like to say megaman fits as well because he is a good projectile character, how ever megaman requires an incredible amount of work to optimize and you might find yourself playing him at a very low level for a very long time,
imo if megaman isnt your main, id say he is one of the hardest characters in the game to have as a secondary and its boarderline not worth it because he takes so much time and effort to play him
you might be better off playing someone like villager, toon link or dark samus to compliment ike and falco
Who do you think would complement falcon the best?
Tip: if you main a speed character, a swordie is a good secondary because most speed characters don’t have a lot of range and the sword character cover that weakness. For example if you main Pikachu, a character like Shulk or Lucina is a good secondary.
So then would a fast character like Pikachu be a good second if I main Lucina?
I’m a Ganon main who’s started picking up Fox, Lucina, Terry, and now recently Sonic as secondaries. I greatly enjoy all those characters too, and watching this video makes me feel a little better about this combo of characters too. My main is a power character, but I also have a sword character and two speed characters, and Terry is also kind of power and projectile character, although I could probably get a better projectile character. I also have fun with Lucario, so I could probably go with him! Since Ganon has so many bad matchups, I’m not really doing it to cover matchups, but for a more diverse list of characters to play and switch to. However, if I am REALLY getting frustrated with certain matchups and just want to really just win because it’s a tournament, once I get my secondaries to be better than just meh, I’ll likely pull them out in bracket. However, I’ll mainly stick with Ganon unless I’m getting frustrated or just feel like one of my secondaries is significantly better to choose
I main Cloud because he has pretty good range/back air and combos, also limit is great (sword)
I secondary Mewtwo because he has great recovery unlike cloud, has an amazing ledge guard game, and is pretty technical for example up b canceling at ledge wave bouncing etc.
I’m a Fox main... he can be spaced out with swords pretty hard and he’s a combo character ... maybe Snake as a secondary? I don’t friggin know
I personally main bowser and from my poor expirience (litteraly I cant afford online) him ike and kazuya are hard to space out and can kill easily
I'm Link/MK and despite Link being a zoner/heavy and MK being more rushdown, with both of them I throw out a lot of hitboxes and try to control the stage and force the opponent to play my game. And that's really not unique to just them either, if it's not throwing out attacks it's vying for a favorable position. I think it just comes down to learning how to use different tools (projectiles, speed, big & powerful hitboxes) to do the same job (spacing, trapping, punishing) so the more different styles you learn, the better you understand the core of the game itself
I find it really interesting how some characters just feel "right" to play and others just don't feel so good. It must be quite a personal thing. I'm a Samus main, but when it came to finding a secondary I had no idea who to go for, so I played my way through the roster. Was really surprised when I found out that Bowser felt really good to play as, as he's not like Samus at all. Wierdly, as a tertiary charachter, after trying a bunch of rushdown fighters, Mii Brawler was the only one I felt I could properly control.
I’m a puff main and I secondary Fox just cause I love playing both of those characters. I’ve never thought of how those characters compliment each other but now that I think about it I have no idea what archetype puff would fall into.
I don’t play puff, but I’m assuming speed? She’s definitely NOT power, no swords, and no projectiles. Speed would fit best.
I play Falco too and my secondaries are Dark Pit and Roy
You don’t have to be like this
Think of someone you like someone that you have memory with in his game
This is a great video! I'd be really interested to see a Pt 2 on what characters actually would be great compliments to your main.
For example, I'm terrible at trying to select a main for myself (have been since release) so I'm actually giving PT a try as a main. But to cover the bad matchups none of the 3 fighters can handle, im also seeing if Shulk and Mega Man can fill in the gaps. What do you think?
Who's a good secondary for shulk lol
What Archetype is Lucas? He's seems best played evasively (like a zoner), but pk fire is really his only reliable zoning tool, thunder/freeze work best to gimp recoveries. Then he has beefy smashs like a heavy, and his tilts are disjoints like a swordie. I've played him off and on for a while but idk what proper playstyle for him lol.
Before I watched this video, my main was Yink and my secondary Greninja. His FIRST example for a good combo is Greninja and Link. Amazing.
Who’s Yink I wanna try him 😂
@@mr.crossing5384 Yink is short for Young Link
How is this for main and secondery? Joker and link
I’m a bit late to the party but I play k.rool and wolf would a character like pikachu be good for when I feel that I need good oos options
Yeah, bair and nair are really good options, but you want to use bair in more situations. Nair is also good tho.
Kouta would you recommend mario too
Joe Mama I’m not that knowledgeable with Mario, but I imagine he’s probably fine. Up b comes out frame 3 and down air is pretty good I assume.
Kouta ok I think I’ll go mario because I find him easier
Joe Mama cool, nice profile pic btw.
This is the last time you’ll hear Mario being technical and High IQ at a top level.
Any recommendations on a secondary for a Luigi main? Having a lot of trouble finding a solid pick.
luigi is a combo heavy character who struggles against swords and projectiles, so id suggest a fast swordie like chrom, lucina, or cloud
@@ikebirchum6591 thank you but I already picked up Pac as a secondary and I like how he plays so thats always nice.
I main Luigi and I am looking for a secondary. Can’t decide between roy, fox and greninja. Which one do u think would work best?
Not fox. Luigi's worst match-uos are against swords.
Greninja has great anti-airs, is low to the ground, and is difficult to edgeguard. He does really well against some of the more prominent swordies in the game
Roy is strong, fast, kills early, has decent combos, and has the range.
If you're going to pick one, pick one of those two. The guy who made the video did a decent job, and while he technically didn't say anything wrong, it was more like a brief overview. Picking up a secondary is very complicated and something that takes a lot of decision making. He didn't go over the actual strengths of any individual character.
If you have a lot of technical skill sheik might not be the beat secondary but a good pocket for luigi
What kind of characters are Isabelle and bayonetta?
I main Toon Link and Mario, also secondary Jigglypuff. Wait, what category does Jigglypuff fall into? Speed, Hit and Run, or what? I know Tink and Mario are a good balance, I just don't know what category Jiggs applies in.
I main Mario and Secondary Inkling for swordie match ups. Inkling outrages a lot of sword characters, so even though they are technically rush down, I basically use them as anti-swordies
Nice video had the same problem maining Falco and also playing pika they are both kinda similar in their playstile. Now I main Falco with olimar secondary to cover my bad matchups which works way better 👌🏻
Does young like count as a projectile or swordie?
both, young link can be used effectively as a zoner but can also go in close combat with his sword
I have trouble against Wolf with all of my characters (Cloud, Ridley, and Diddy Kong), and I know they all fall into different categories. What category does Wolf even fall into, and what are decent counterpicks for him? He seems to be in all four, in my opinion (fast with long-lingering hurtboxes, puts on great damage & has reliable true combos, has pretty huge disjoints, and has a very reliable and annoying projectile)
My main is ganondorf, My secondary is ike and im trying too also have falco (your videos are a great help btw), I also play mewtwo as a pocket I guess, is this a good setup?
Is incineroar a good secundary for cloud?
Which secondary is good for someone who mains ganondorf?
Probably Captain Falcon, he’s very similar to Ganon but is much faster and much more combo heavy, though you may struggle against swordies, in that case, it may sound unhelpful, but you just gotta learn the matchup man, work around them
Crimson_Fang thank you so much
I main Marth and specifically just marth. So I decide my secondary based around his weaknesses. If it’s a less favorable match up like wolf then I switch to Lucina or if it’s finals in a local tournament. There both fast enough to go-toe-to with fox and a lot to other fast melee character, and while heavy characters are a pain for these two. I have enough experience under my belt to say I understand the match up well enough to know what to do. In general I find the most difficulty in dealing with projectiles characters. For me the most success I found are the Belmonts as counters. They are solid picks for a few of Marth/Lucina’s less favorable matchups. They got great edge guarding tools(the main reason I picked them). And complement each other well.(it also doesn’t help castvaina and Fe are my favorite series but that’s besides the point).
I also have Ike as a pocket and I’m giving Palutena another shot. I’m actually quite liking Btow!Link and Ken but I want to keep focus on what I have. What do you think?
I started to main Falco like literally half a week ago and I think I’ve adapted pretty well, and I secondary my old main, which is pikachu, although until I get a lan adapter, these characters are too fast for the online mode lag, even then I’m not sure if it’s that much better with an adapter
But I’ll probably change my secondary because for a while the definition of secondary for me has just been “old main”
But third edit now that I think about it, pikachu isn’t even my secondary, my true secondary has been Dark Samus, my first main in this game was Samus. And this channel is kind of perfect for that since you guys play Falco and Dark Samus
Is Duck Hunt a good secondary for king de de de?😅
I'm Main pyra mythra
As a secondary I play shulk
And my third main is young link
It's okay?
Hi, i maybe late and you don’t even respond but I saw you taking in question so I just wanted to ask, is it ok if you don’t use a main? You just use a pool of characters, and if so is Marth/fox/bowser a good match up? I see that I don’t use a projectile and wanted to know if that is ok.
Byleth Corrin Pit
How does the combo bowser and samus/dark samus sound?
What class would Ridley be considered?
Strength
Is Lucas and Ryu a good combo, I also wanna put Pichu in there too tbh
My mains/secondaries that I'm good with: Rosalina, Palutena, Peach, Lucina/Roy/Chrom, Mii Gunner, Pyra, Ganondorf, Bowser, Banjo & Kazooie, and yet I still don't really have one true main. Willing to take any suggestions. Favorites to play as would have to be Rosalina and Palutena, but I'm about equally good with most if not all of these I've listed.
How do I know when you are doing Voice chat
I need help finding A secondary
please reply
I main Dark Samus and secondary is Cloud, what do you mean? Cause my cloud is not the best cause of the recovery
Egfgs Mario this Is a good duo
@@MetaTrixx thanks, and what do you think... When do you think that I should use my secondary?
Egfgs Mario when facing rush down characters. Or if you face Yoshi
I’m thinking Terry is a Power/Projectile hybrid character. Now I’m thinking I lean towards heavy power characters because I enjoy Bowser, DK and P Plant. Samus feels like a good secondary to my Terry main. I kind of want to pick up a rush down / Speed character and a Sword character... loved this video. Unexpected gem suggested by RUclips.
I main ness but idk what character covers his bad MU, do you have any suggestions?
What's your opinion on my main and secondary. I main Mario and secondary Cloud
Not sure if you’re still answer these but id love feedback on my setup. My main is Pika for speed, and Hero for swordie. I’d like to think Megaman could make for a good projectile character while either Incineroar, or Pokemon Trainer with a Zard specialty.
I main mii brawler and secondary the other 2 mii fighters. My issue for results is that instead of finding my rhythm with brawler, I end up having good days and bad days that result in playing each of them instead of always playing brawler well. Any help?
I main robin but im a rushdown robin is there another zoner that can also be a rushdown?
Uh, I’d say Mewtwo can be played as a zoner and a rushdown
hey I play bowser and I want to know some character that might be good as a secondary
What is Ness? I use Ness and joker
Is Robin a good secondary for Cloud?
I would love to see a video where you’ve sprted the characters into their classes, since my mains all kinda fit into 2 catagories... So I play a lot of Robin, Wiifit, and the Pits... My issue is that I feel like robin and wiifit both struggle against the same characters even though they’re both vastly different so i’ve picked up dark pit because he can beat the spammers that robin can’t...
I main Mario, and I’m wondering who to main. I’m trying to find someone who beats Palutena, Olimar, Greninja and Lucina, but idk who
Pick up a swordie. Ultimate rewards their archetype, so they do well against the characters you struggle with
Byleth is a very good secondary to fast and combo heavy characters like Mario, joker, zss, Pikachu etc. I would highly recommend him as a secondary
I'm maining ness for how aggressive he his,
any suggestions
I'll probably do Cloud, Ridley and mabye wolf, joker or Rob
Is Meta knight sword or speed?
He’s a weird mixture of both
My ridley is in Elite smash and of course ridley has bad a lot of bad match ups even though I know how to play and from a disadvantage I would to find a secondary
Fellas, I'm a Joker main so I have a question for y'all, is it a good option to have Palutena as a secondary? I've been using her for some time and I like it but I wanna know people's opinions
A good one for little mac?
I'm looking for one myself.
Ranged or projectile characters will probably be your worst nightmare.
Why not pick a rushdown character? Mac is a bait and punish character that usually has to stay in the middle of the stage and being one of the worst characters in the game has plenty of bad MUs. Maybe picking a character with very little to no bad MUs might be your best bet?
Pikachu may work given it can be played offensively and defensively and one of the characters with the least amount of bad match ups. Pikachu also has an incredible edgeguard game and can go very deep off stage. Pikachu is also very combo friendly with many different combo options. A polar opposite of Mac, I think this one might be the best choice.
There’s also Joker. Joker is a mix of rushdown with other archetypes but that alone offers more options and flexibility than Mac who is limited on stage. Joker can go a good distance offstage and offers a good aerial game.
Fox is another option. Fox relies on Smash attacks for kills and offers great movement on the ground like Mac. Unlike Mac, his neutral B can force a camping projectile character to come to you and also has a reflector to counter against projectiles as well. I don’t think Fox will be too far from Mac in ground game but he relies on getting very close to the opponent and mixing up your approach options often.
I main Kirby and my secondary is Pichu
I main inkling decided my lucina as my secondary. Lucina is very difficult for me because she’s a sword. What’s my secondary that you recommend
My main is Fox. I haven't settled on a secondary yet but out of the 4 categories you mentioned the one I have the most experience with is roy because he was my secondary in 4 plus he is awesome in ultimate. I also play a bit of dedede as my gag character and mega man from time to time because I love mega man games (other than the originals because I prefer the mobility of x over the original but would say legends is my favorite series closely followed by battle network).
Any way what I want to know is should I just keep roy as my secondary like he was in 4, switch to mega man or dedede, or practice all 3 as situational backups? Any advice would be greatly appreciated cause I'm basically going through my character crisis right now lol.
I am main Sora but I don't know which character can cover her weaknesses. Do you recommend any?
I had thought of Meta knight or Joker.
Alright, so. I'm a Kirby main that Secondaries DK and pockets Luigi. Any tips for this would be appreciated
So would being a puff/falco main be power/speed then? Puff's in a really grey area
I started maining Samus after jumping around for quite a bit. I'm having trouble finding a secondary. I've jumped around quite a bit and so far, I might be landing on Fox or Lucina. Are those good compliments for Samus? I found myself struggling against over projectile characters and I figured those two might be good against them. I used to main cloud and Mewtwo but it feels weird having them as a secondary, to me at least.
Fox/Lucina can compliment Samus well, Cloud can do well too, mainly characters with stronger neutrals and aggressive options
Wario really struggles against sword characters. Should I become good with Young Link to beat them? Is Joker good against swordies?
Joker is good against swordies as long as you camp (yes, I do know your comment is a whole year old and might not be relevant to you anymore because of you finding a secondary already)
@@firestorm3k882 Thanks for the reply anyway! I don't really play the game too much anymore but I switched to maining Wolf.
@@ZerosiiniFIN You're welcome! I'm glad you found a main. I know this isn't important but I actually used to main Wolf in Ultimate (I might reconsider maining him though).
what would terry be?
I play wario and a super spacery mii gunner. I don't know which is my main or secondary, but I am pretty sure that they cover each other's weaknesses very well.
Can u fastfall while spiking somebody with Falco? And is it useful, also is is there something like dair cancelling like in sm4sh ?
dair auto cancels from short hop without any extra tech, which is nice
Meta Of Smash at least he has that going for him ;)
What secondary would compliment Min Min?
Hey, thanks for the great video! [Main: Falco] [Sword: Cloud] [Projectile: Zelda]
falco main, with lucas as my secondary, what are your thoughts
good secondary. I recently picked up ness as a pocket. Still in need of a sword though. I'm thinking hero
@@MetaTrixx same I keep going back and forth between cloud and roy
Brandon Prater id say go roy. He can be more aggressive which might be a better switch up in play style from falco
I have projectile link power ike or bowser sword lucina speed roy.all diff style, but swordies. Does that have good coverage since they are diff types or does all them having swords make them all kind of the same ?
What’s the best secondary for a king k rool main
Who would you recommend if I main Lucina?
I main zss and I’m trying to find a secondary, I personally like cloud or fox for that position but I don’t know if these characters compliment zss very well…
What do you think ?
Why the hell does joker fit all of these