⚖️Best .22 WMR Load for a 3" Revolver? Speer Gold Dot VS Federal Punch VS Hornady Critical Defense
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2024
- Testing the Speer Gold Dot 40 gr JHP, the Federal Punch 45 gr JHP and Hornady Critical Defense 45 gr FTX from my 3" Ruger LCRx in a 10% Clear Ballistics test to see what the best .22 Magnum ammo is for a 3" revolver.
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Buckeye Ballistics happened to put out a video very similar today comparing the Hornady Critical Defense and Speer Gold Dot in a 3" revolver, very much coincidence as we never planned a collaboration. What is very cool is he used organic gelatin, so seeing those results contrasted to mine is cool to see. ruclips.net/video/QqH814e6Qks/видео.html&t
It’s a shame Ruger didn’t manage more than 6 rounds in their lcr 22 mags.
I'm sure they could have done 8 like Taurus or even 7 like S&W. That being said, i'm okay with 6 shots. For defense a .22 WMR isn't great, one might say well then you need all the capacity you can get....but i'm not sure a couple more would make any real difference lol
S&W also only put 7 into their j frames instead of 8 like in 22lr.
@@Gieszkanne aluminum cylinders, they probably tried 8 and landed on 7 for aluminum and lightness sake. The Taurus is a steel cylinder If I’m not mistaken.
@@AK-ky3ou If I had to take a guess I might say that because the design of their 6 shot .327 worked, maybe they found that something in the design worked for 6 shots of .22 WMR without having to alter something.
100% agreed. I'd rather have the 2" LCR in 327 Federal magnum for the same weight and capacity. 8 rounds would have been a different story...
I mention the SIlvertip .22 WMR being the same as the SuperX, and I just happened to have tested both of those rounds two times each from this 3" revolver, so here are my results, and I will just share plain gel results to be concise with this comment. Also neither ammo type in any of these four tests got any expansion of the hollow point, so I will just share velocity, energy and gel penetration -
Winchester SuperX 40 gr SJHP test one= 1,336 FPS Average/158 FPE and penetration of 28". Winchester SuperX 40 gr SJHP test two= 1,360 FPS Average/164 FPE and penetration of 28.75"
Winchester Silvertip 40 gr SJHP test one= 1,318 FPS Average/154 FPE and penetration of 29". Winchester Silvertip 40 gr SJHP test two= 1,297 FPS Average/149 FPE and penetration of 27.5"
The SuperX average of these two tests is 1,348 FPS/161 FPE and 28.375" penetration. The Silvertip average of these two tests is 1,308 FPS/152 FPE and penetration of 28.25"
The difference in energy between the SuperX and Silvertip is NINE (9) ft lbs energy, and the difference in average penetration is 1/8th of an inch. I think overall this evidence is compelling that Winchester is spending more time on marketing than defensive ammunition production.
The only difference I can tell other than the packaging is that the Silvertip bullet has a slight silver hue on the bullet's copper portion, and that where I shop the Winchester SuperX 50 round box costs $15.77 while the Winchester Silvertip 50 round box costs $21.99.
Winchester, shame on you.
Love it! The 3" LCR barrel definitely gets more out of the 22 WMR than my 2" NAA. I did find the bare gel expansion failure of the Punch odd considering the results I've gotten with it, but over all, this is a very important contribution to the science of ballistic performance. Thanks Gun Sam!
I got good results with it before as well, but the last two times I tested it, it did bad. First test was a 'short' and it expanded big but the velocity was much higher. Last two boxes, same revolver and slower velocities, no expansion.
thanks. confirms some of the very limited testing I have done with these three rounds. I use Hornady for my Charter Arms 4" 22mag revolver because the accuracy seems to be better.
Good video...again. I am really enjoying your coverage of smaller calibers and some older cartridges. That Rugar seems to run pretty nice also. Thanks.
Glad your lcrx is reliable. Mine was a problem new from the factory. I sent it back, and Ruger’s gunsmith decided to replace it, but recommended me not getting another 22 mag. They sent me a new lcrx in 327 magnum at no extra cost. Good on them. Picked up a Walther WMP. Love it. I like the critical defense and maxi mag jacketed hollow points through it.
I've noticed the LCRx has a weird design how the hammer spur is setup. Runs kind of weird. The centerfire ones definitely have a smoother trigger pull and the double action only version is even smoother than that.
The problem with mine was the cylinder would take spells in which it would not close…even after thoroughly cleaning it. I sent it back to them like that
That's awesome I got a bunch of that stuff thanks for the info
Great work. You really do a good job with your tests. I enjoy seeing your videos. Well worth the watch.
Thank you very much!
Due to a hand injury I was limited to shoot light recoil handguns for a year and a half. I therefore carried a Ruger Single Six in .22 Magnum with a 6.5" Barrel. Charts indicated that the MV would be in excess of 1400 fps. I practiced only head shots since even if an assailant is behind cover he will need to expose his head to return fire with any degree of accuracy.
I had the Single Six in the 4 and 5/8" barrel about 15 years ago. It was no Heritage Rough Rider, that's for sure. It was super solid. One thing I remember was shooting fence posts with .22 LR and they stopped the bullets, but with the .22 WMR cylinder and ammo, they went clean through them. I honestly think any hit with a .22 Mag could put a man down.
agreed on longer barrels and 22wmr. my ruger 5.5” single six shooting 22wmr is both laser-accurate and punches through an old empty propane gas tank target where 22lr just dents it. gunsam i hope that you still have a r.s.s., mine is both a bugout bag and a forever handgun.
With projectiles this small I’ll take the Federal Punch for critical penetration.
Good video, thanks.
GS. Good test and fair comparison, what more can be done. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thank you. Take care.
Thanks for another test
While I'm not advocating making any .22 WMR firearm an EDC, I understand why some folks choose to do so. I think this was a good comparison between those three cartridges since they were done back to back to back like that. For some reason, in my area, the Federal Punch is unobtanium while the other two are usually readily available. And after other YT videos, I thought I was being left out of the newest wonder cartridge because of that. Glad to see that the Critical Defense and Gold Dot performed well in comparison to the Federal Punch.
Great test brother! I have had the same results out of the Federal Punch. I got good results out of it in 9mm but not in .22.
Thanks. I think the recent boxes they put out have been a lot weaker than the older ones. I had a 2022 box in early 2023, had like 10 rounds and I remember it averaging over 1,300 FPS and I shot one into gel and it expanded. That was a quick 'short' test I did.
And, as always, a very useful test! A WELL DONE test comparison, with no hyper speech or blaming something for not showing results or not even visible in the traffic jam in the used gel block! You do it right, as always...................................elsullo
Thanks. I am very picky about used gel blocks. I very rarely shoot into one not remelted. Once in awhile my secondary block will have a track in it as I sometimes film two videos in one day, take 2 good blocks, one older one for the backup block. When I get overpenetration in video 1, I have to just setup that secondary block again.
I picked up Wild Bill Hicock’ Heritage Rough Rider… Everyone that shoots it grins like a little kid. It has a 7” barrel so it is an accurate 22 LR / 22 Magnum.
I suspect it will out shoot your LCR velocity.
Maybe. I have the 4 and 5/8" Heritage I believe, and it shoots this ammo a good 100 FPS slower than my 3" LCR. The Heritage have some loose tolerances.
👍😊 the first shot at 40y was money and second cylinder to and double action + nice.
I only have .22 mag rifles. I just wanted to see how the Federal did.
Thanks Mr. Sam
I don't own either and wanted to see how they did.
Uncanny timing 😉
I watched the tests back-to-back yesterday. Fun coincidence. Thank you both!
I always pick up something from your opining. You've mentioned before the difference in bullet quality between .22lr and .22 wmr before, but today it kinda sunk in. I had been keeping .22lr in my NAA black widow because since it does almost as well ballistic wise at the 2" barrel length. I'm now convinced to switch back even with the less efficient lack of powder burn, etc. I'm always glad to see Hornady do well as I've always found it really accurate in any caliber and I bought a ton of it before the Federal Punch existed. Thanks fer another great video!
Good test
Great video. If possible, it would be great to see a full review on the lipseys smith and wesson 432/632 UC .32 H&R magnum when its released soon. It it suppose to have improved sights and enhanced trigger. It is a j frame listed as the ultimate carry. 6 round. Concealed hammer. (2 inch barrel)
Thanks for your work on this. No complaints about your test protocols.
Makes me wonder how many more FPS it would take for those other loads to open up. Maybe another inch or two of barrel, who knows.
I happen to know the answer. I had like 5 rounds of a previous box from 2022, in early 2023 so I quick tested it and got good results. Then for a year I could not acquire another box, and when I did - the new box is what we saw in this full length test and the velocity was too slow compared to the older box. ruclips.net/user/shorts8N0m7NzeLGI
The velocity is pretty good and expansion too , puts those in a good light really, if a volley of those is sent it would be like buckshot and maybe as good to stop , five or six...lol
Good Looking 22
Thanks for that test. I had been all ready to buy that same Ruger LCRx 3" in .22Mag, I just couldn't find one in stock. But after watching your testing I lost interest. It just wasn't the gun/ammo combination that I was hoping for from reading gun magazines. They were promising .22LR rifle velocities from a pistol. That's now how it is working out for you.
40-45 gr at over 1,200 FPS is indeed most .22 LR rifle velocity.
the punch is a laser beam
I thought the punch is a solid and won't expand it's designed to penetrate. Great video!
The Punch in .22 LR and .25 ACP is a solid. For the .22 WMR it's a jacketed hollow point.
22 Magnum Federal Punch is a segmented JHP and designed to expand. I've gotten better expansion with organic gel. I do think Federal Punch is the best all-around 22 WMR defensive handgun load, but this test shows Critical Defense is better. All these tests add to the science. This is great. I'm very happy to see it, even if the results were not exactly what I expected.
Good video, how you doing Sam?
I would say I am fully recovered from what I had December through January.
That's great Sam! I'm really glad to hear that. 👍
Have you got a 2" 22LR to run the same test with? Obviously with the same brands but in 22LR. I think someone said I should cary my S&W 43C as a BUG to my M&P340. It's an amusing idea.
I've got pistols, revolvers of all different calibers. Never been more confused over my new 22 revolver. Tried 22 lr but it calls for wmr.
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Another win for the Critical Defense is that it runs smooth and reliably in my PMR 30 and gives me about that same speed you're getting (1200 fps) with really nice accuracy at 25 yards. Honestly I'll take 30 rounds of that per mag that I can deliver at a high rate of speed without really losing my target vs any 15 rounds of center-fire while trying to deal with recentering my sights to my target after each shot due to recoil.
A larger .380 ACP pistol is close to the controllability, but I understand what you mean.
@@GunSam with your 3" barrel, these are really close to the same energy as .380 ACP too!
Wish you had also run the Winchester just to see the difference between the pistol and rifle rounds...
I have ran it a couple other times. It just penetrates to like 25 or 28 inches or something like that.
.32 acp w Hydrashok Deep & maybe every 3rd round fmj, or .32 H&R w Federal 85 gr JHP are really the lowest someone should go if they need low recoil. SAM?
From what I have seen in older data, the .22 WMR seems effective at 40% chance of stopping a threat from a handgun and modern gel testing shows good penetration. The .32 ACP is a tad higher in the data at over 50%, but this was 30 year old data where the .32 ACP is a Silvertip and the .22 WMR is old school rifle ammo. I would guess .32 ACP and .22 WMR from handguns are similar for self defense now days.
I sure miss my single 6 -7.5 bbl
When did punch start making hollow points?
That’s why we pay you the big bucks, Lol
Thanks again
Wonder why nobody has made a 10 shot 2 or 3 inch 22lr or 22wmr revolver?
The Ruger GP100 in .22 LR is a 10 shot revolver. But that's your answer. A cylinder that big, fits a revolver that is sort of dumb in a sense. Like if it were a S&W, it would be an L or N frame revolver which no one wants. To be in a normal size revolver it's limited to 9 of .22 LR or 8 or .22 Mag.
I think when it comes to 22 LR or 22 WMR The lethality comes from more from penetration than expansion. Especially when you can put multiple shots on target creating several wound channels.
Every 22 single action revolver I own that has a cylinder that I can swap has a 22WMR cylinder in it. In a rifle, 22 LR can handle a lot of things, but in a short revolver, it's too weak.
Pull the red tip out and see what happens.
Expansion !!!
.22 WMR from a rifle is more interesting!
Sure, but this channel is built on pistol and revolver ballistics. I can’t remember a rifle on this channel other than a .30 spring piston airgun.
@@AK-ky3ou He also tested 22lr from a rifle once. If I remember right even 22 short. Anyhow its not a criticism at all about his test. For me 22 WMR is just much more impressive from a rifle.
I agree .22 mag is made for longer barrels. In a revolver, I would want at least a 6 inch barrel.