Republic Of Lies (Episode
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris discusses President Trump's failure to concede the 2020 presidential election.
Released: November 18, 2020
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" I won't single anyone out... That would be unfair to Dave Rubin"
Is that because Rave Dubin can't count to 1?
Yes... that Rubin fellow seems to have got carried away with himself
Yea ... he is kind of lost big time . Getting wealthy does that to a person
He isn't smart enough to be part of the IDW.
Not kidding! Dave Rubin was somewhat reasonable for while. That all ended when he became Don’s mate.
"carpet bombing of our intellectual landscape with bullshit" - that sums it up perfectly.
@@nancydenton7496 What a neat argument Nancy. Very persuasive.
Nancy, you might be a simpleton. I'm not saying you are. Just that you might be.
Consider it.
@@nancydenton7496 Your a cultist , at some level you are not really responsible anymore.
@@nancydenton7496 Great comeback...I've been thoroughly moved to reconsider my whole outlook about the world and Sam...either say something with substance, such as giving us an example of Sam attempting to win an argument by taking the carpet bombing of bullshit approach to a topic...or kindly zip it...
It all comes down to the fact that we don't have a shared reality. The Internet age has turned information into a choose your own adventure format.
Lol, nicely put.
Very nicely said.
Well said.
yes, an algorithmically orchestrated Truman Show for each and every drooling idiot
A “Choose your own internet mystery to solve”
Oh wow. This is IT. This is everything I have been feeling, thinking & experiencing over the last 4 weeks in a podcast.
Where have you been all my life Sam Harris?
This moved me.
It sucks. My immediate family and myself have felt this for the last four years.
@@dylanbutts1628 I don’t think most religions are inherently radical because people functionally omit parts of their religion they find incompatible with their morals or larger national culture. I say this coming from a Muslim father and Christian mother and my father is often more progressive than my mother. It’s unfair to characterize Arabs or Islam as inherently bad or radical when the conditions of many Arab countries are suffering the boot heel of near theocratic authoritarian regimes (regimes often installed by western powers) and bloodshed from constant profiteering warfare. I don’t know how you can expect a social development of a culture when the people of said culture are constantly having to keep an eye on the sky for fucking American drones tearing shit up. In the 80s Syria was a fairly progressive nation with a booming entertainment industry and now it’s a horrible place ravaged by war. Saying all this violence and barbarism is just a product of Islam is a childish assessment. Not saying that’s what you’re doing just stating facts.
I’m only listening to this now...the day Capitol Hill was stormed...
Need I say more?
me too
I was one his supporters.
I feel used, lied to, ripped-off, burned, and pissed off that I blew off so many people over supporting Trump.
Great video.
Calm, cool, collected and acerbic.
Classic Sam Harris.
Well, I'm glad you got out of your funk.
I also feel sorry for you. I'm assuming you are a conservative, and there is really no party for normal conservatives to vote for, because the GOP has gone completely off the deep end these past 10 years.
Interesting, what was the process that lead to this turnaround?
How could so many not see this bloke was a conman? How many had their money stolen to pay for Trumps legal fees designed to fight a fake bogey man?
Do you still feel that way today?
@@abstractnonsense3253 He probably never felt that way to begin with
Brilliant wordsmanship Sam.
As a former Army Officer, Cold Warrior, and lifelong Republican, I can assure everyone that the military will never back any Trump attempt to cling to power.
I would be honored to physically drag Trump out of the White House on 20 January. The Clown will go, and hopefully his circus will never erect another tent.
It would be a funny meme if Trump managed to that, though.
Just for the record, if the votes of just the military counted, Trump would still be president.
@@stevemccambridge5947then our military is loaded with morons
One of the best podcasts he has done. I couldn't agree more with his analysis.
the thumbs down don't show that.
@@sirgooogen We know where it's coming from. And why
@@hamzamahmood9565 obviously ppl who disagree.
I don't like to idologize people but Sam Harris strikes me so deep and his knowledge and the way he talks makes him the greatest intellectual of our time. At least in my opinion..
@@sirgooogen what specifically is there to disagree with?
Conspiracy theories are the new religion. People believe them for the same reason. It's not that there aren't actual conspiracies but they're usually pretty boring. So people are not invested in them as much. I call it the Michael Bay effect. Take 9/11, it is plausible and maybe even somewhat reasonable to assume some form of financial and informational aide was provided to help organize this event. On itself this is not a crazy idea. But that's not the version most people believe in, they believe in the ones where the planes were fake, the buildings were rigged, etc. The version that has the most emotional value, the one that makes them FEEL more like they're living in a movie.
They want to feel like Neo, who just woke up from the matrix. It's all about feeling.
That's why conspiracy's are so popular. There is something empowering about the idea that they have been unplugged and now see the world as it really is. While everyone else are blind sheeple wondering through life without a clue....they know the truth!
With Flat Earth to Qanon to 9/11 I think its safe to say...Alex Jones has won.
@@reacher8446 It's weird what the internet has done to humanity. "Here's an almost infinite library of information, use it wisely". Derp... We were not ready.
“It still feels like something bad could happen here”
Yep, again, listening to this on the day Capitol Hill got stormed
Sam has been saying this since 2016 that he has alot of qualities of a dictator. I remember the Trump fans being mad in 2016, 4 years later and Sam is 100% right.
Yea , that day a bunch of boomers shuffled into the capitol single file in the velvet ropes. Unarmed mind you?
Truly a day that will live in infamy. Lol 😂
@@savadaflava1120 Holy shit. You need to reconsider that
@@savadaflava1120 yeah, except that cop that got bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher...
And nobody was comparing this to Pearl Harbor. But if you think people storming Capitol Hill means nothing then go right back to sleep
@@savadaflava1120 I see you’re right on the retraction re the fire extinguisher. However the violence during the day is still considered the cause of his death and Homicide is still investigating his death.
And back to my main point: no-one is comparing this to Pearl Harbor so stop deflecting. People storming Capital Hill is an issue and a clear escalation of the partisan insanity dividing the US
As usual Sam can articulate what most of us were thinking in the most nuanced, coherent and detailed way
And yet, all of his conclusions are rendered moot by the fact that his arguments rely on misinformation and one-sided standards.
But go on, keep listening to the man with the silky smooth voice whisper biiiiiiiig woooooorrrrrrrds into your ears and never ever question what he’s saying 😂
@@UndertakerU2ber Funny that you do exactly what he's rightly accused Trump supporters of doing by just throwing out some blanket statement about misinformation without giving one example of something he said that was wrong...hoping no one would actually take a minute to push back or question your horseshit...so either come with real life examples of a lie that was told here or fuck off into the ether forever...
@@brettsodrel6456
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How about the lie that Trump “tried to steal” the election? It’s hilarious how anyone with a straight face can accuse Trump of such wild accusations when Hilary Clinton and the Democratic Party did the same, and MUCH worse, after they lost the 2016 election. You wanna talk about threats to democracy? Okay, how about a band of snakes and rats in our government agencies and media outlets that relentlessly pursue “Russia collusion/hack” investigation after investigation against an elected president, even when there wasn’t any evidence to establish the accusations. Wouldn’t you know it, it turned out that Clinton and her rat of a lawyer Durham knowingly invented this disinformation story about Trump/Russia collusion as a way of trying to wrongfully convict and remove the sitting president from office.
THAT’s the _real_ threat to democracy that Sam Harris and his other band disingenuous clowns refuse to acknowledge. Use your brain and see how partisan and corrupt our agencies have become and how the Democrat employees are more than willing to abuse their positions to help the Democrat politicians and sabotage the careers of Republicans, Donald Trump, and ruin the lives of their voters. You don’t find it suspicious how the Department of Homeland Security rushed out the door within hours to declare that 2020 election was “the most secure in American history”? Especially how after the 2016 election it was all “Russia Russia Russia” nonstop for years without any evidence?
At least have the decency to admit you could care less about the integrity of Trump’s critics. Sam Harris destroyed his own career and credibility as a commentator by saying how great it was to ban Trump from Twitter under false pretenses and suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story to help Biden win as much as possible. He even said that he thinks Osama Bin Laden is a better person than Donald Trump. Let that sink in: Sam Harris thinks the leader of a literal violent terrorist organization that posed a threat to western nations is a better person than an elected president who’s biggest crimes are being an alleged “narcissist” and writing mean Tweets. TDS at its finest 👌
@@UndertakerU2ber what specific misinformation are you referring to here?
@@UndertakerU2bergonna offer some substance to your comments?
I’ve always been in discontent for our institutions for being slow and filled with red tape. But now I see why that is so important. He put our government through the ultimate stress test and it barely held up, but our flag was still there.
Accusations from a narcissist are actually confessions.
"Projection," I believe psychologists call it.
You are saying that Sam is wrong about Trump?
@@ArizonaWillful Nope, Sam is 100% right.
@@jaggerlags Exactly.
@@sumdup Trump's unlikely to be a billionaire but since he's afraid to release his taxes...
Fox News has done to my parents what they thought video games would do to my generation. I never rely on a single source, but they watch so much of it that the last time I was over at their house, there was an obvious Fox News logo burned into the lower-left of their TV...
And, unfortunately, if they expand for diversity, it will be into OANN and Newsmaxx.
There’s an entire segment of boomers that were normal rational people, busy raising families, involved in their communities...then the kids grew up, moved out and they needed to fill the time. Fox & Rush were waiting with open arms.
And you think there are no TVs with CNN burned into them!?
@@NPC-fl3gq No, that's not what I think, but the statement was about my parents.
@@desdenova1 whataboutisms are the death of the point
Dear Sam, thank you for the sane analysis of a nation that is very dysfunctional and delusional. I only hope that the vast majority of Americans is listening to you ....
Once someone has bought the magical talk of the cult leader, it will be nearly impossible for them to process reality, no matter how obvious it is. Think of how psychologically painful it would be to admit you have been taken in by a con man.
Lol, SCOTUS rejects a case with no justification and the right is being conned. The irony.
@@bradspitt3896 Do you really believe this?
@@passionofthecrust9173 Why did they have no standing?
Brad's Pitt do you really believe the us Supreme Court has less understanding of institutions than a bunch of trump supporters?
@@MrGamerxpert That's not an argument. That's an appeal to an authority who also didn't provide an argument. So much much faith in the system, yet I'm sure you're cynical when it's politically convenient.
Sam Harris is excellent.
A calming yet profound wisdom.
Sam I am one of the biggest fan of you.. But unfortunately, Trump has get under your skin..
You are not thinking rationally.. You are indirectly supporting the far left bullshit of abandaning the 72 million voters voted for the Trump...you are saying these 72 million people has to be evil! "because they voted for the trump".. listen to Bret Weinstein podcast for a reality check
He is a honest broker of his truth, though not always my truth;)
True, the IDW is dead, due to egoism of their members.
Shapiro was always clever but not wise, the Weinstein's are both hurt, hence they did not get the deserved credit in academia, so they use RUclips as loudspeakers, sometimes with deep diving results, but lately it's not really catchy. For me, its always honesty that matters, surely not dependent of being on my track. Honesty, humbleness and openness, not being pretentious and just your honest truth from the moment, as Sam is mostly acting out. This video is just brilliant, nothing to ad. For me, JBP is still the most whole and touching guy from the IDW, except his ignorance to climate change I will never understand, seeing and experiencing his wisdom besides this and also his emotional sides which make him whole. Even talking about the same, as Jordan often does, fully engaged, as if all he says was seen and experienced just now for the first time. The Shapiro's and Rubin's etc are feeding their audience with what its expecting, not with truth, hence one-sided. An opportunistic endeavor to keep their sheep in line and their money fountains running, which surely flows better flattering to the spectrum of the right where more money sits. Candace Owens and all the Kirk's are the most opportunistic of all, though her video about G. Floyd was excellent.
@@harshvasisthashow sam harris literally said the opposite of what you said he said in this podcast. You either didn't listen to it or you, frankly, aren't smart. Those are the only two options. You'd have to have a major deficit in comprehension ability to listen to this and then make a comment like that, so for your sake I hope you didn't listen to it
Sam Harris is excellent at stroking himself for an audience. He is profoundly narcissistic and hypocritical.
Thank you Sam Harris for speaking out against this madness.
Sam Harris pushed Russia collusion for 2.5 years. But he’s too good for conspiracies that delegitimize an election 😂
@@ownthelibs have you read the Muller report? Guilty. Simply need to wait till he is not in office.
Yes I did. Here’s what it says “the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
Page 2
“Collusion is synonymous with collusion. Page 180
@@arkatheistcc2353 Next time don’t ask questions u don’t know the answer to. That’s how u set ur self up for humiliation
@@ownthelibs
Harris didn't push "collusion", he talked about Russian interference in favor of Trump, which, as you've read the report, you know is well documented.
Sam is a rare public intellectual today, one that can actually maintain his dignity, integrity, and sanity, while not falling in to any one crowd that screams at the other. Proud of you, sir.
I see the exact opposite. Hes the one that is very publicly not thinking clearly
@@JMo-uh5cd back that assertion up. Unless you're just a butthurt trumpster? Because that's exactly what a butthurt Trumpster would say
@@JMo-uh5cd Do you have a specific example of this point about not thinking clearly?
@UCYR-dmUPYiyF1mQycaTYaqQ You know the descent into full-blown TDS is complete when Sam Harris, Captain Logic & Reason™ himself, asserts his feelings as fact, asserts that anyone who doesn't agree is categorically wrong without providing any explanation why, and cites nothing except the New York Times as evidence for how right he is.
@@JMo-uh5cd when my computer doesn't work the first thing I try hitting it a few times to knock the junk screwing with it out of place. Long shot but maybe if you do the same with your head you can see reality.
This hit back when it first came out. It cuts much deeper after the Capitol Hill attack.
Really satisfying to see Sam finally address the ''TDS crowd'' about how shit Trump really is.
I've been threading the needle for 4 years, Sam. My best hypothesis is that we are going through a massive global technological epoch change, and the internet is transforming us worse than the gutenberg printing press did. We're living in the terror of the internet age, having been seduced by it's beauty for a few decades. Because, like the man said, "Beauty is the beginning of terror."
We're just myopicly focused on our moment.
Hey Alexa, google , “behavioral sink.”
yep
Other countries are doing pretty fine. The real problem is the sportification of politics in America.
Everybody votes for their team rather than voting for policies. Internet is just a tool which exacerbates that situation
the basilisk is already here and we are already suffering torture.
Well said amigo
Sam Harris is truly talented at articulating what I know but cannot put into words. Brilliant.
So accurate.
I think you mean telling you what you want to hear.
Actually, the second half of your first sentence infers your inability. Yes, Sam's ability is brilliant. I have the same inability of brevity. I have a similar need for verbosity. See? I just did it there. 😀
Is it our problem, or our need to explain things from a slightly different perspective, in order to sharpen what we say, in order to provide greater understanding, because we know there are people who will willingly misunderstand what we are saying?
People mistake Sam Harris as a deep thinker because he often talks about big ideas. His thinking is general superficial, which is why he continues to miss why Trump got elected. The superficiality of his thinking is also why he doesn't understand the people that voted for Trump and the causes and motivations thereof.
The fact that Sam ever thought Trump was an actually existential danger to the Deep State's/Corporatist's institutions and that Trump would be able to impose himself over the establishment, demonstrates his superficial thinking and lack of any realistic and practical political sense. Especially of the problems being caused by this corrupt system/establishment/state.
He does make sense.
As an Australian I must observe that the USA is a failed model, and it scares me...and we "gifted" you Murdoch...I apologize...
Yeah, here in Oz we do have a better education system and health system. Still, both countries are of similar age and yet the US has out performed us in so many other ways and protects us militarily (should that be necessary). Anyone could have invented rubber tyres, transistors, computer chips, the internet, social meida, AC power supplies, telephones, movies and countless other advances but they didn't it was the much copied Americans. Still, that was then......
How are you enjoying your lockdown?
@@thesuperiorman537 Australia is a big place mate..Perth hasn't had a locally acquired case for 9 months.
This is the most obviously accurate and succinct analysis of what happened and is happening, and anyone who disliked this either didn’t listen to it or are incapable of ever being critical of Trump
You need to start talking with these people that you disagree with. Now is more important than ever.
Edit: I would like to clarify that the primary goal of these discussions isn't to further Sam's understanding -- it is for the audiences to draw a bridge from different perspectives to develop a more cohesive understanding overall.
then why deplatform half of them on social media?
@@KP-yy7ph I'm confused by the question... Are you implying I am in favor of them being deplatformed?
I think sam is emotionally invested in this topic, I dont think he will do too well. I also dont think he will bring in any new insight into why the trump vote was so bad, he will stick to orange man bad argument.
ben Shapiro, tim pool, and joe rogan would be decent people to talk to about trump.
@@KP-yy7ph HAHA good point .. but " NORMIES " Z_Colo dont understand what is going on the past few years.
You have leftists focusing only on the right while ignoring dangerous ideas coming from the left. Then, you have those on the right and some member of IDW criticizing dangerous ideas of far left, while ignoring dangerous ideas from the right... and then there is Sam Harris, who simply criticizes BAD IDEAS. I've been a fan since mid 2000s, and have never been disappointed, consistent as ever.
Harris is Based
Based on what??
@@Isaac-eg3um I think he met biased Lol
@@Isaac-eg3um Sam's basing his based opinions on viewing the world through a based lens. Honestly? Based.
Can u list some bad ideas coming from the left? And defending the police doesn't exactly mean what you think it does.
“Trump was never an answer to the problem on the left”
I recommend PSA Stitch’s video on why Trump is not your hero saving you from the SJWs
Don't always agree with you, but this one is spot on. Thanks for being a voice of reason, so sorely lacking in public discourse these days.
I almost always agree with Sam, but perhaps not so much here.
Everyone's different I guess.
As Harris was saying Putting Trump supporters on a list is obviously a bad idea. But some 20 minutes later he said that anyone who ever pointed out Trump derangement syndrome has committed a crime... So I guess back to the list? Or making hard arrests? Or, which is far more probable, he was just being hyperbolic and hysterical. He then said these last few days after the election have been the worst thing for the country since the civil war... How can anyone say that and still expect to be taken seriously? And this.... This is exactly what Trump derangement syndrome does to people. Harris has been blinded by his own hysteria for 4 long years. He is very rational. But not when it comes to this. Just like he himself criticize religious people for not being able to think rationally about their own religion. Trump hysteria is very similar. It is mass hysteria summoned by the media propaganda circus. Everything Trump-related feels like an immediate "crisis".
"Voice of reason" is maybe giving him a little too much cred... In this case, more like voice of hysteria, hyperbole and derangement.
Go ahead, put me on the list.
@@lgn7521 At what point did he say that anyone who pointed to "Trump derangement syndrome" commit a crime? He didn't. He said they are part of the problem.
@@lgn7521 big boy isn't so big on critical thinking, eh?
@@lgn7521 ok we will. Cuz you weren’t listening.
"I don't want to single anybody out"
*coughs* Dave Rubin *coughs*
And Shapiro
@@mellowtron214 Shapiro at least has a brain in his skull, Rubin was always a fraud
Bret W. too. I love listening to Dark Horse, but he is faaaaar to "understanding" about this whole election meltdown.
@Jay T all disgraceful hypocrites. ‘Don’t upset the shareholders’ isn’t a sentiment that embodies courage, intellect or integrity.
@@ebert8756 maybe because they think for themselves and arnt scared of getting called out by people like you. Sam is stuck in the middle here and doesnt wanna pick a side properly and just jumps on the Trump bashing bandwagon that is expected in the mainstream discource.
Thank you for putting into words everything I’ve been thinking for the last few weeks better than I’ve been able to, and helping me understand why I’ve been feeling rather sick since election night, and why the feeling hasn’t completely subsided.
Feel the exact same way.
@Kevin Jackson Lol, you're lost.
@@giseler.7137 this comment is hilarious great job
I am totally mind blowned by the fact that these considerations are not obvious things that everyone can obviously see. The fact that they have to be pointed out and argued for is insane.
Real intelligence is hard to come by. Check out Life Ahead by J. Krishnamurti
Sam is a brave man... he exposes how stupid the arguments are in both sides of the political landscape, knowing he is not delivering the message that some of his followers are expecting from him and that he will end up supported just by a tiny bit of the audience; the factual, rational and balanced ones....
Yup. Trump sycophants triggered that Sam isn’t falling in line with their dear leader. More power to Sam
Well said, Alejandro.
Or you just have the same centrist political inclinations as Sam. That doesn’t mean you’re anymore factual or rational.
Most of Sam's followers would be liberals. Sam is simply preaching to the choir. How is that brave?
@ArminJ You value competency and logic, but Trump has none of either. And it’s apparent you should have cared about character, because people like him who have none will destroy the country.
With the exception of 2-3 debatable sentences, these words are possibly the most cogent, pertinent, and insightful analysis of the political/cultural situation uttered by anyone, ever. It’s words like these that make Sam one of the most important thinkers of our time. Thank you Sam...this will be saved and shared by many, and will help immensely in the difficult work ahead. You just keep the sense-making coming...the steady diet of it has never been more critical.
Sorry, Sam suffers from TDS
I don’t care who wins. I just want a clean win. If Biden supporters are so confident, why wouldn’t they welcome an audit? Wouldn’t this be a time to remove doubts and unify the country?
@@athiefdom5412 We've already asked the people who ran the vote counts if the vote counters did a good job. And they said they did a GREAT JOB. I mean, who's in a better position to say that the people counting the votes did a great job than the people counting the votes? Why would you need to audit that?!
on voter fraud, the comments below are all perfectly rational points but for one critical thing, they are supposed on a completely irrational factual context. Investigations into voter fraud have been conducted consistently and thoroughly for years, Trumps own DOJ and Senate enquiries came up with to next to nothing (several hundred cases at best) and simply quashed the most recent reports entirely. Even they knew the unsubstantial nature of their discovery was so limited and utterly at odds with the narrative their "tribe" that they chose to not even formally conclude the investigations. We all know and are now living with the societal costs of mainlining such a dangerous lie that undermines the very fundamental integrity of our society.
The idea that's in you know "perfectly reasonable to audit the entire election" and call it "a fraud on the american people", "a stolen election" in light of the true factual context, that being statewide losses in excess of many multiples of the potentially faulty ballots- "faulty" because the only meaningful number would be in the tens of thousands and no one serious is suggesting actual fraud on that scale, is intellectually dishonest and bound only to make things worse from most radical elements of the radical left force the vast majority of us are trying to resist or at least correct.
@@mardo000 have you read any of the complaints filed in court? They are public record and you should check them out before you decide if they have no factual basis.
What’s frightening is this had almost 3k dislikes. How do you reach the MAGA faithful?
You don't.
you don't
I have always appreciated the amount of precision he speaks with. It's honestly the reason why I respect him.
I disagree with sam a lot on most things, but I do appreciate listening to him rail against bullshit. You can call him what you want, but he is very good at sniffing out, and articulating, bullshit.
@cally mally True. He would be great if he would change his positions with new information, he just doesn't, and that is incredibly sad.
@Alex Green No, that is the one thing I love about him.
To understand a Trump supporter you need to understand why they see him as a hero. They aren't stupid, they just think the world has a different set of problems to focus on. Their perspectives are quite consistent if you just look at the information that circulates in Trump groups, and forget what you think is important.
-"They aren't stupid, they just think the world has a different set of problems to focus on."
Whether or not they are "stupid" is largely contingent on what things they perceive to be problems and whether or not it is reasonable to believe Trump is in any way the best solution to those problems. What one finds important is not an irrelevant factor in this assessment.
@@samuelstephens6904 Belief in the economy or belief in God or belief in justice all create different means of solving the same problem of evil. If you choose to believe the NWO theories, then picking an 'anti-establishment' person is arguably the right thing to do. Just as conversion attempts become morally righteous if you believe people will burn in hell for eternity if they don't change.
You're only stupid if you're choosing actions that harm your goals. Whether those goals are right or not is a much bigger question that even the 'smartest' among us, the billionaires and co, don't have the answers to, if history is any judge.
@@pagetvido1850
-"If you choose to believe the NWO theories, then picking an 'anti-establishment' person is arguably the right thing to do."
Well, I can grant you that it would be the eminently _rational_ thing to do (although I am still unconvinced it passes my second criteria). But is it not _dumb_ to believe NWO theories to begin with? That's what I'm getting at. We can't ignore that presupposition. I think it's arguably fair to say that people who believe NWO theories are, in a sense, idiots and there is only so much patience liberal democracy can afford to them.
-"You're only stupid if you're choosing actions that harm your goals."
Then I guess we have a different idea of stupid, as imprecise as the word is. Being consistent doesn't necessarily mean one isn't stupid in my book. I think one's goals also speak to intelligence.
@@samuelstephens6904 Fair enough. I must admit though, it's interesting to hear how many people automatically criticize conspiracy theories, without actually knowing the gist of the theory and why some people believe it. A great example is the flat Earthers. I used to think they were retarded, but when I read up on why they think the Earth is flat, they had some really clever points. They apparently think 1000s of humans are able to keep a secret of that scale, which is where the theory falls apart. The point of disagreement is not some simple fact, it's a belief in human capability, which is indeed up for debate.
If you look critically at the major ideas running through western society today, most of them have similar flaws to the flat Earthers, but because they're the norm, it's considered dumb not to believe them. I personally think we should learn from history, and presume what we believe now definitely has flaws. To think otherwise would be dumb.
@@pagetvido1850
No belief is _a priori_ stupid. It’s all about how one arrives at said belief. Still, I think in this day and age, with the amount of resources and opportunities people have access to, it’s difficult to argue that someone who believes in the flat earth or any of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories hasn’t gone seriously wrong in their attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff. This is why a perverse kind of skepticism is near-universal in proponents of conspiracy theories and why it’s so difficult to talk them out of it. There is no idea too ridiculous that cannot be accommodated for in our webs of belief. Hence being consistent and clever are not good enough.
Glad you stood up to Bret and his co-host. His view seems to be “on the one had there’s absolutely no evidence of voter fraud, on the other the guy who lost says it happened on a massive scale, so I don’t know what to believe?’
Whatever happened to great claims requiring great evidence?
His view is that in this situation, due to extreme division of the country, even ludicrous claims of fraud should be thoroughly and transparently investigated because just dismissing them as not being 'credible enough' will sow further division. What a horrendously stupid, uninformed, idiotic opinion, amirite?
the only evidence that isn't substantiated yet is that there is no current evidence of large scale fraud, however hundreds of examples of local fraud, which may be shown now since everyone and their dog has a great camera / media account :P
and if it isn't active evidence of local corruption, then there is at least hundreds of examples of out of the ordinary, very suspicious, confusing evidence.
What extrodinary claim? Do you think theres an election in the last 50 years in detroit that wasnt fixed at least a little? That the well known entrenched mob in New York never messed with elections? That Chicago politics never did anything corupt? Whst extraordinary claim is being made? That things that happened before happened again?
@@Kryptic712 okay I’ll rephrase: based on the current evidence we have, which claim is more likely?
a) Biden won the election by millions of votes and comfortably won enough electrical college votes, even accounting for small scale electoral fraud at a local level (which if it exists could easily happen in favour of Republicans)
Or
b) the election was definitely rigged due to large scale and preplanned fraud on a national scale carried out by the Democrats, and the Republicans have sufficient evidence to overturn millions of votes which will show Trump to be the clear winner
Be honest with yourself. Who is making the bigger claim here? And therefore who is onus on to provide evidence for their claim?
@@gtpk3527 That's totally not his claim.
Much respect Sam, I don't always agree with you on everything. But turning your "Card" in, is very powerful and symbolic thing when truth is so heavily under attack.
Very well presented, Sam. This is a must podcast for everyone.
Sam... was russiagate real?
It did lead to like half the guys cabinet being arrested and put in prison for lying, tax evasion, and fraud. So even if Russia gate itself wasn't real the convictions that resulted were. Trump had a bunch of corrupt people appointed. Smoke and fire and all that.
@@HoldenCoughfield So if we're pursuing investigations of corrupt people on baseless accusations can we get started on Biden's cabinet and family? Since these are the rules we're playing by now...
Have you heard his podcasts with Renée DiResta, Anne Applebaum, Juliette Kayyem?
@@HoldenCoughfield Nothing to do with Russia. You're confusing smoke and fire with smoke and mirrors. Watch this from Aaron Mate.
ruclips.net/video/GmZhz-0Ds2Y/видео.html
@@HoldenCoughfield That's like saying it's okay that the FBI framed someone for being a child molester because at least they caught his friend snorting cocaine.
*R A V E D U B I N*
Again, Sam Harris nails it. No compromise, just the truth. Thanks Sam for expressing rational thoughts in a jungle of stupidity and BS.
@NADAL Goat Nope.. Totally in his cognitive distortions.
Thank you, Sam. I am still bewildered on how 70 million people are blind to what is painfully obvious to the rest of us. Glad you are in our corner.
I follow you since 2010 and you never disappointed me. Thank you for staying sane.
Not even when he said IQ is based on genetics favoring a socially constructed group having more inner diversity than with members or other groups? Cool
@@gunsandkithes6900 I really tried to parse your statement. Sadly no success. Maybe my IQ is too low
@@gunsandkithes6900 well, according to what I've read (I think Wikipedia quotes this, too) IQ is about 50% inherited. That's a lot. Now, that about average group IQ - that's debatable, and I don't know if Sam Harris has made any conclusive statements on the matter.
Did he stay sane when he accused trump of being a Russian asset?
As big fans of Bret and Heather I was really disappointed by their 'measured approach' to claims of election fraud. Glad I can count on you to tell it like it is.
Agree. Bret is one of my favorites, but I agree with Sam on this one.
Bret and Heather have come under Neoliberalisms spell, its really depressing.
Its always possible to be overly-charitable. If you find yourself doing mental gymnastics to try to make sense of a position, its probably time to conclude that the position just probably isn't correct.
You don't have to give flat-earthers the time of day if you're not in the mood to. Their position is so crazy that you might as well ignore it. If 70 million people voted for a flat-earther, that still doesn't mean you take flat-earth seriously (though you should start to wonder what that 70 million is so afraid of that they wanted to vote the other way).
Certain positions are so absurd, or come from a source so disreputable (e.g., a person with a pathological condition where they can never tell the truth), that the burden of proof needs to be on the person holding those positions. In those cases, good evidence is required not only to believe in the position, but also to put them on the table in the first place.
Trump has shown in his willingness to say whatever sounds good to him, before checking if it aligns with anything he has reason to believe is true. This means he has the same credibility as a broken clock, and we need a real clock to weigh in before we take the listed time seriously.
Amen
My reply is way late but very well-said. Forced centrality will not create equilibrium.
Well said
„The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.“
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
Thank you for finally speaking. I've been checking your podcast every day since the election, waiting with bated breath to hear what you have to say about all this. You are always the voice of reason in my book. I don't agree with everything that you say, but I respect you and your ability to analyze a situation calmly and with fairness. Thanks for your continued attempts to bring some sanity into our world.
@@DybbukDEpstein 🙄 do I detect some jealousy here?
@@DybbukDEpstein So hypocritical of people like you who try and silence and belittle any rational criticism of Trump and his enablers, all the while complaining that you are being silenced and belittled.
@@DybbukDEpstein 'you dems'. No need to say any more.
@@DybbukDEpstein So, you're totally cool with a sitting president attempting a coup? How patriotic of you.
@@DybbukDEpstein The incessant bleating of "TDS!!!" from Trump's voter base always serves as a reminder that, while Trump himself has likely been defeated, there remains a large segment of incredibly dumb people who will fall for his style of rhetoric again the next time around.
You are not trying to have a conversation when you invoke 'TDS', you are simply attempting to justify your outright dismissal of dissenting opinions as being 'deranged'. Having conversations is the only thing that can help us pull back from the brink. Once your tears have run dry, I advise you to start working on improving that aspect of yourself.
And before you say "no u", let me remind you that you haven't put forward any ideas for people to engage with. All you have done so far is vomit up balls of salt and bile and started throwing them around.
Singles out Greenwald, Ezra Klein, and AOC CONSTANTLY, All of whom are respectable people who Sam may disagree with on one or more issues. But no, don't ever single out a good honest man like Dave Rubin.....
Sam, you need to hold people on the RIGHT to the same standard you hold people to the left. It's so obvious you don't.
Babysteps. He having a come to Jesus moment, he suddenly realizing what he been giving legitimacy.
Dave Rubin is basically harmless. One of many youtubers with some influence. AOC however has a global fame based on her pretty face and emotional tweets (all with the style: Fuck you this is the truth, I am right, you are wrong) that resamble the Trump's tweets so much. Trump is slowly becoming history, but the time of AOC is yet to come. And I hope there will be a lot of Sams to call on her bullshit.
@@Pipervojta People like AOC and MTG are the future of politics; media savvy showmen who don’t actually even know how to govern and are just there to give the illusion of some kind of conflict between the parties while the elites head out the backdoor with all the money to build Rapture on Mars. People have been saying politics is all kayfabe for years but we’re living through the complete transformation of it into pure bread and circus spectacle.
Thank You Sam Harris! I can always count on you to help me make sense of what's going on. I'm a Trump voter, not because I think Trump has any of the qualities I would expect of a president, but because I prefer political conservatism or what is left of it in modern times. Your right to make sense of things and share that with us will always be better protected by conservative politics. The last 2-3 months has been a train wreck for team Trump and he's done most of it to himself, which leaves me feeling a bit betrayed by him. I knew, like most of us, that he has serious character flaws that aren't well suited to politics. That is a lot of what makes him relatable to the average joe. We see ourselves in him. I honestly believe he could have done good things with a second term, but if he can't tolerate losing gracefully enough and professionally then he doesn't really deserve that second term I had hoped for.
I've been saying these exact things since before he got elected. What boggles my mind is why my otherwise intelligent Republican friends fail to understand any of this. Talking to them about Trump has been the most frustrating experience of my life.
I'm also not a liberal, and like Sam, have many issues with the left and where it's going but there's simply no one on the left that is remotely comparable to Trump.
I'm exactly in the same situation, except that it's not my friends, it's my whole family who support Trump. No surprise since they're all evangelical fundamentalist Christians. I think there are several categories of people who support Trump and evangelicals are among the most prominent. Many of them long for a Christian theocracy and Trump was getting them closer to it than anyone.
I’m no longer frustrated because I came to the difficult decision to stop talking with them (and seriously considering cutting off another friend).
Honestly, this started when Obama was elected. The Republican party just went off the deep end. They started endorsing conspiracies, saying Obama was Kenyan, denying science etc. And they turned the fear mongering up to 11. Tbh, they should have seen where this would end, and then when Trump ran in 2016, the GOP should have just shut it down right then. Instead they enabled Trump and his supporters and turned the rhetoric up even more. Now a good chunk of their base is literally delusional.
So glad for your take. You are not part of the IDW. Your truth goes marching on with clarity.
The IDW thoroughly dishonored themselves when it came to Trump.
@@cdavidlake2 youve dishonored yourself for far longer. The IDW EXISTS because you Identity Politics lies forced the central into silence. For instance the lie that blacks are systematically shot and oppressed. Its a total baseless lie that ALL stats point against. Your entire side is a pathological guilt ridden lie
I decided to give this a chance, despite my reservations about Sam's ability to discuss it fairly. Well I agree with some of what he said, I STILL feel like he is missing a key part in all of this and it's because he doesn't want to damage his team.
Sam talked a bunch about Trump supporters falling for Trump's lies and being quick to mistrust the media, the other side of the aisle, and most importantly the election results. He blames this squarely on the Trump administration. Yes, Trump does play to this, however Sam isn't understanding that these people have a persecution complex and don't trust the media establishment for reasons far superseding Trumpism. These reasons, in-fact, are what enabled Trump to do what he did.
Conservatives have been demonized and spit on for decades. By every media organization I can think of. By popular culture. They have been mistreated by their own political leaders. Called racists and rednecks and bigots and morons. Are segregated to one channel (Fox News) well the left runs rampant on EVERY OTHER CHANNEL.
Trumpism isn't going away unless those things are addressed. The cultural demonization of conservatives (or anyone who disagrees with the official liberal narrative) and the ABSOLUTE monopoly on media by the political left.
@@MrAhuraMazda "Its a total baseless lie that ALL stats point against." Can you please link some stats?
@@nathanvance9384 Yes.. Thank you for civil discourse. I understand your delemma and most of my family is in your camp. I am moving closer to understanding both sides of the issues. More to the point both parties and what they stand for now. Cancel Culture, defund police and hindering freedom of speech short of real defamation are abhorrent democratic doctrines now and I'm with you. I have a problem for the person in charge call it what you will TDS. At 68 years old I've seen some stuff in my life. I have even pumped fists with him in the 90s at the Taj Mahal casino which he bankrupted along with the other ones in A.C. I think our political landscape has to be revamped with people that earnestly are into helping their constituents. People like you are needed to keep the conversation going.
I think Sam primarily had Brett Weinstein in mind when he recently accused Sam of Trump derangement syndrome on a recent episode of Darkhorse podcast. I must admit my respect for Brett has been on the wane recently. He overplays the problems and challenges of the illiberal left and is far too heedless of the more tangible challenges that Trump poses to democracy and unity. As a paying subscriber to the 'Making Sense' podcast- thank you Sam.
Good! I’m glad it’s not just me that sees Brett’s inconsistencies!
@@fathead999 thank you Shane :)
As classy, coherent, rational and knowledgeable as possible for any human can be. Thank you Sam! You might have some biases, but still one of the most fair and intelligent person I've seen!
The best podcast I have ever listened to. The best choice of words. Please give it up for Sam.
Is there any way Sam, Bret & Heather, and Ben could have a round table discussion? I would love to hear them hash these ideas out.
Sounds great, Ben Affleck really needs an opportunity to bury the hatchet
I don't think I need to hear this proposed round table discussion. I've heard more than enough of Bret and Heather and Ben on the subject of Donald Trump and what they have said is simply indefensible.
Sam says he understands the other side, but then spends the next 25 min framing how he doesn't. Merely acknowledging the other side isn't understanding it. If he'd lived through Evergreen like Bret and Heather, maybe he'd get their argument better.
Nope. Don’t even group them together.
It would be interesting. I have been disappointed to hear both Heather and Bret say vacuous things such as, "Trump just pushes Sam's buttons" over and over again. That is a meaningless statement that avoids having to make an argument.
I'm not sure they could salvage anything from the 10 minutes they expressed that sentiment over and over again in their video clip about Sam Harris. They would have to invent something else. This time with effort.
As long as corporate media makes money off Trump he ain't going away
Sam Harris, thank you for making sense. I really enjoyed it.
This is so on point. I am disturbed by those on either side when rational thinking is suspended in favor of cult-like allegiance to corrupt or unproductive leadership. It is simply mind-blowing.
the idol mentality is just toxic and pure stupid. even politicians I like like AOC and Bernie, I was sometimes disappointment of actions they made that I disagreed. And when Bernie lost, I stop watching anything to do with Poilitics for a few months but at the end I voted for Biden cause he represents a president that just curruption lite and not staight at your face chaos and toxicity beyond any past president has been. Bush tho with his iraq war maybe and with puppet master Cheney. I kind of understand the Trump supporters with the idol mentality, Bernie was to me some sort of figure that has most of the policies I agreed with. and defend things that he made a mistake on. I can see where the Trump supporters are coming from but the difference would not accepting reality that your guy lose. Biden tho will likely even be worse then Obama maybe, if you look back at his past record. maybe he changed or not.
It isn't either side its one side right now
This has really only happened on the right, though. You can reply with "but bernie" but remember Bernie couldn't even get through a primary. If you really care about a problem dont blindly "both sides" it when Trump is a uniquely right wing problem
@@ataridc and Sander isn't that extremist. His polices are normal in similar countries like ours. Republicans have done an amazing job making people think basic things like not making money off of health insurance is immoral.
@@ataridc You don't consider our media moving from a token obeisance to objectivity to rabid, ranting partisanship a problem? You don't consider moving to a much less secure voting procedure a problem? You don't consider looting, riots, violence and arson problems, and feel comfortable with apologists for these things? Do you accept Critical Race Theory? (or "Gettin' Even Racism", as it might more accurately be described) Do you swallow the smarmy fake "values" spewed out by Pelosi, Schiff, et. al.?
A LOT of people, myself included, didn't vote FOR Trump, we voted against the corporate Democrat machine that shows every sign of hating me and mine.
The soccer analogy is probably the best thing I've heard about the election
I think he was describing Neymar.
Time stamp? I dont remember it. I remembered the airplane pilot one which was awesome.
@@atlehman69 11:20, calling it a flop seems pretty accurate
@Austin Reeve LOL evidence please? Every lawsuit is Bombing!
@Austin Reeve is there though? Trump's brought a bunch of lawsuits and lost essentially all of them. It's ~100 thousand votes that would have been needed to steal the election, in multiple states and numerous counties, so many people and places necessary in this conspiracy. Plus it would be so stupid to go through the trouble of stealing votes from Trump / faking votes for Biden but not the votes to win the seats needed to control the Senate.
Sam, you're such a legend! Love the podcast!
The ppl in the comments here are still defending Russia collusion which is exactly the same craziness that is causing republicans to scream about fraud. The difference is the media and all of our institutions aren’t pushing the conspiracy like they previously did and instead they’re actually censoring ppl who do. So tell me what’s more dangerous? Ppl screaming about fraud into the abyss.. or a 2.5 year media and fbi coordinated scam that tried to delegitimize a president.. that ended up with literally nothing other than getting a few associates of Trump on tax and process crimes.
Sam the NeoCon.. He needs to shut up about politics and just talk about grey matter and all that boring neurology cause he has no clue what hes talking about either in domestic or foreign affairs
@@ownthelibs That and 34 people indicted including 26 Russian nationals. But yeah, basically nothing.
@@ownthelibs please listen. russian misinformation didn't only happen in america. Other countries also put out a warning about it exactly like your fbi did. I dont think any other leader called their own intelligence branch liars though. This is very old news but you are stuck in a misinformation echo chamber. Please find a way out.
@@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200 he is a citizen of the united states of America, which means he has every right to talk about politics just like you. Telling him not to talk about political issues is undermining his constitutional rights, and democracy. He's is a neuroscientist scientist and a philosopher that dosen't support any sides I am more likely to listen to him than any other biased right wing or left wing politicians.
Given the margins of his loss, discrediting mail-in voting for his own voters has possibly cost him reelection. Self-inflicted voter suppression.
I will admit working from home allowed me to fall down a massive youtube rabbithole that led me to believe Trump had to win to stop America from going down the toilet, and after watching the second debate (one of the only times I actually watched Biden speak from start to finish as opposed to snippets taken out of context) it dawned on me how easily manipulated I had been. I can honestly say my initial desire for Trump to win was rooted in concern for society and people in general and not something evil or insidious. Luckily I woke up from this strange dream before I did or said something I really regret but it was enough to teach me a valuable lesson.
Thank you for having an open mind. Thank you!
So why exactly did you vote Biden? What did he say that he had not had opportunity to go in 42 years?
Good work!!! Now try speaking to someone you care about and snap them out of it!! lol
Thank you Sam Harris
Absolutely spot on from Sam here. I don’t always agree with him but this is absolutely bang on.
Um no lol. No hes not. Hes living in the matrix. The silver spoon effect, plus marriage... his ethics are completely statist and willfully blind. Hes practically bursting into tears over a tweet lol... the election is never not rigged. Fuckin duh.
@@SocraticMethodGuy Me thinks, you are the one living in the matrix! Granted, there are always some election errors and inconsistencies, often deliberate (you may say fraudulent) but these are not too big to sway the results for Trump! Trump won 2 court cases for a few hundred votes and these are not near enough to change the outcome! The election process in the US is decentralised and is very difficult (not to say impossible) to make a widespread fraud! So small changes here and there won’t make a difference when Biden is ahead with 5 million votes! Enough of this nonsense.
@@danielculpepper9258 Why is it so difficult for you guys to realise that contesting election result in court is a democratic process? Actually anyone against that is anti democracy! If Biden won it fair and square the court would rule in his favour, end of story! Whats disturbing is you guys wanna suppress your oppositions right to contest after crying russiagate for 4 years! Pathetic!
@@thesuperiorman537 Contesting results in court is a democratic process! Anyone has the right to do it! However, Trump is loosing his lawsuits left and right and these won’t change anything!
@@danielculpepper9258 haha i love your projection! "It won't change anything" Do you mean he would not accept the court's ruling and would hold on to power come Jan 21? So you guys are crying although you know what Trump is currently doing is Democratic?
Spot on,dumps a total fraud. Its difficult to except or even try to reason with ppl who willingly seek to be deceived. Its beyond insanity
Always a voice of reason amidst the insane rubble thank you Sam Stay Brave
Oh snap! Shots fired at IDW.
who is he talking about in regards to someone in IDW sounding bonkers?
@@justryanism He's talking about Bret & Shapiro. Bret is feeling salty about being kicked off Facebook, so he's now got an even bigger grudge against the mainstream left and is saying foolish things about the election/Trump. Shapiro doesn't want to give up all his right wing subscriber money, so he's dishonestly avoiding calling Trump out unequivocally.
@@davidvelohue9258 Shapiro was never part of the "IDW" since he is a standard republican establishment partisan who has never been marginalized or attacked for his mainstream republican ideas beyond standard criticism of conservative ideas by lefties.
Bret Weinstein has been treated unfairly by the giants of social media merely because he made an attempt at starting his own party and criticizing Trump and the Democrats equally harshly, which apparently is forbidden. Free speech is simply dead on these platforms. I'm not sure what part of his takes you or Sam think are "foolish" on the election/Trump since he has been criticizing Trump just like Sam. It's just that he doesn't leave out Biden.
@@thulyblu5486 as mentioned by others here, Dave Rubin has been the biggest culprit. I don’t even bother with him now.
@@benbunyip me neither. I haven't been watching his content for quite a while.
I'd like to see a Sam Harris and Bret Weinstein podcast to go through these issues. I believe that's the IDW figure Sam refers to. And if Sam believes what be says when talking about discussion and conversation being the only tool at our disposal besides violence to obtain social consensus, then he should absolutely make that happen.
I think hes talking about Rave Dubin and Ben Shapiro. What makes you think it's Brett? He's still pretty level headed I think
I picked up on that as well. I have been seeing some things Bret has been saying lately that really troubled me
@@sixteenthlevel3414 I don't think Sam has any respect for Rubin nor should anyone
@@reconstructionmanifest7349 they all have right wing audiences and need to keep em happy and watching
@@reconstructionmanifest7349 Ya, ditto. I haven't seen the twitter stuff, but Brett mentioned something on his show about entertaining something about voter numbers not matching that was later proven wrong...I fear we're losing him.
I always knew about Sam Harris but I decided to start watching his content and man my Soul! I know Sam is an atheist but the truth and objectivity you speak is nothing short of Gospel in this climate! Love your content......
One of the most rational and intelligent recordings I’ve ever heard. Sadly I suspect very few of the people that truly need to hear it and give it some thought, will hear it.
I needed to hear it, and it has helped 👊
A 33 minute video that had 50+ dislikes less than 30 minutes after being uploaded. People already had their minds made up about your content before even listening. Keep doing you Sam. Don’t sweat the trolls.
There is enough absolute bullshit spilled out in the first 2 mins to warrant a dislike. Sam has lost the plot. I love sam and donate to his podcast, but his political takes of recent are just those of dishonest mainstream media.
The podcast was released early on other platforms
Yea. I'm legit in this comment section like..... "what the hell is happening?"
Allow me to remind you that not everyone uses like and dislike the same way as you do. It could be an agree/disagree (with the opinipn presented in the video) button, but it could also be a "I like this type of content/I don't like the content" (so it would be US politics for this video), could be an "enjoyed/didn't enjoy" button, you can also use it to express your experience with the video on technical level (bad audio, good graphics, etc). Hell, it could be an accidental tap/click. You just can't know it, especially when it's kept as vague and simple as it is.
You are making an assumption about people's intention, and you gotta realize that that's what it is. It's an assumption based on your beliefs about these things.
Are you new to RUclips?
It's funny how a discussion of division leads to more division. Wish there weren't just two sides here, but that's how it is, polarization is here to stay. The points you raise are reasonable. That's why I always liked the podcast, Sam, you're a pretty sensible guy.
Being more clear on the actual divide is a step in the direction of clarity.
I suspect the potential for nuance here does exist, however there is probably resistance from parties on 'either side' in exploring them.
There are people in the middle somewhere, and as always lately, they will be resolutely ignored.
Sam picked a "side", he said that Trump supporters are delusional and you agree! Stop taking sides Mr divider! Also had a weird crack at AOC for 'balance'.
@@billlowe70 He never "picked a side" stop hearing what you want to hear. He said people only blaming the right wing are not taking into account the bigger issues on both sides, but did state that trump and his supporters are committing a coup, which they are. It's okay, trump has racked up so many illegal charges at this point that someone like you who picks and chooses what they want to hear will witness him in court for a while after his presidency ENDS
@@billlowe70 So in order to achieve balance, we should give equal time to both reasonable and delusional ideas? Sorry, wrong podcast.
"There is now such a degradation of our politics, that people no longer feel the need to lie coherently ..."
Ben Affleck enters chat yelling "well we are glad you're here to help us Sam"
Wow! What an incredible analysis. Thank you Sam as always.
Thanks once again for the sanity!
Sam, I have had great respect for you for more than a decade. I agree with the vast majority of the arguments you made in that time.
And although I have lost zero respect for you, it is on politics that we diverge. I basically disagree with the vast majority of everything you have said here.
I in no way disagree with the soundness of your arguments, but I feel your conclusions are invalid due to faulty foundational premises--namely, your models of legitimate information flow and what constitutes accurate news.
I don't expect you to open an involved discussion with me, and, although I would love the opportunity to sift through it all with you, I expect it is absolutely fruitless to debate any or all of the details if we fundamentally disagree on what constitutes "bedrock," as you often brilliantly say.
Instead, I would rhetorically ask when the last time you intensely applied your citation skills, without bias, to assess what in fact can be ascertained to be true regardless of, and possibly contrary to, overwhelming media narratives.
I wager your diligence in this pursuit would greatly surprise you, and that you would in fact experience one or several paradigm shifts concerning your models of information flow and news legitimacy.
Just a proposed thought experiment, my good sir,, take it or leave it.
Thank you for all the reason you have brought to public discourse over the years. I immensely respect you, Sam.
Exactly
Are you saying you think trump is correct in insisting that there has been massive voter fraud?
@@karinak09
Just to be clear, are you asking if I somehow know more than the courts?
I could be wrong, but I find the phrasing of your question quite odd. It seems to be based on the same models of information flow and news legitimacy that I am challenging with the thought experiment.
It also, with all due respect, seems irrelevant to ask such a question because it is irrelevant who Trump believes won the election if there are enough irregularities to cast doubt on the process.
So the questions then become:
1. Are there enough irregularities to cast doubt on the process?
2. By what sources have you come to this conclusion?
3. How do you know these sources are accurate?
I offer you the same thought experiment I did Sam.
I agree with you. I like the theories he’s said in the past. Political though, I disagree with Sam.
I find this fascinating that your focus on what’s so remarkably strange is the election only. The severity of what’s wrong within the US right now does not die on hill the presidential election rests on.
Thank you for a sensible view on the situation!
Dave Rubin is the obvious reference but I would also throw Rogan. He has been placating his trump-supporting audience.
Rogan tries to meet the trumpists half way, but they jumped off a cliff a while back, making the gesture less impartial and more ignorant.
Yea I certainly wouldn't lump Rogan in the same category as Rubin. Joe is very much more nuanced.
@@81Mace81 the more I watch Rogan the more i feel he is just grifting and doesnt actually hold any true positions.
I think Sam is the best commentator I know of regarding the state of the American political situation and the cross roads it’s currently in.
You are incorrect.
The majority of people vote on party lines, regardless of who the candidates are.
Your Magnum Opus, what a great Video/Essay this is
You finally put your foot down Sam. Thank goodness. Now I can finally resubscribe.
Easy for him to put his foot down after Trump lost
@@jeanmichele3843 true but still. Its useful to have him influence some trump voters to get back to reality.
@@Smitywerban fair point
I’d have loved to have heard Christopher Hitchens’ opinion on what’s happening currently. Considering his reverence for the Constitution and for America, he’d have eviscerated Trump.
If he eviscerated Trump, which is a strong possibility, he wouldn't do it in the whiny way Harris is doing it. It would be witty, backed with facts and with excellent foresight.
He would have, I guess, stood his ground, unapologetically defending the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
I cannot say I agree with everything but it caused me to reconsider my thinking. That in itself is huge. Excellent podcast Sam. Much respect for your heart and mind.
great post...and everything you touched on in this has come to pass. I will never forget election night 2020. I had gone out and purchased a 7.62x39 SKS rifle about a year earlier because I was becoming concerned about the state of our politics and society, the rage, the violence. So I'm sitting here on the west coast watching the counting in PA come in, and it was clearly going Biden's way, and thinking I might have over-reacted by arming myself. Then Trump comes out and starts ranting about "stolen election" and "stop the counting" - well, the SKS was propped up right next to the tv I was watching in my mancave, and I looked at it and thought "glad I got ya" Yes, it's that bad.
Bravo Sam.
After leaving religion behind, I really can't iterate enough how much of an example you've been to me in terms of being an honest, unapologetically skeptical person.
Thank you.
We don't miss you!
@@petethemeatmeat6634 How Christlike and loving!! ❤️🤣🤣🤣
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
@@kingstash8955
Uh. Yeah? I have no intention of worshipping Thor or Osiris or Jesus or Allah if that's what you're getting at?
I'd much rather respect and emulate good people than worship crappy fairy tales.
@@kelleren4840 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us. Jesus said." But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."
"I don't want to single anyone out in particular... *cough* Dave Rubin *cough*".
Thanks, Sam, for having stayed honest!
It's intense man. There's people around me who ask "What has Trump lied about", and they really seem sincere. The speed and rate at which basic observations about current politics scapegoat into Obama accusations is bewildering and bizarre.
During the quarantine I discovered Joscha Bach, with the most salient and sensible world view I've ever heard by far. How can I even come close to sharing what joy and inspiration the discussions he has brought me, when we're surrounded by this... shit show. What the fuck, Sam? Why aren't people on the same page with you on this? We literally used to joke on 4chan about this guy, and we elected him! He truly is the QAnon president... seems so... stupendously obvious and unignorable. Are most people just that disenfranchised? Everyone is so angry too. What a mess.
You hit the nail on the head.
100%. It's astonishing to watch so called intellectuals defend the most obvious con-man snake oils salesman we've ever seen. It is also infuriates me when they say "well Trump isn't great, but the left is just as bad." No the left is not just as bad. You can't equate the left and the right here. The left isn't a complete anti-science, conspiracy blown religiously indoctrinated fantasy land. Not saying I agree with everything on the left, and I am highly critical of the 'radical left', but it's amazing to watch.
It's because the Democrats are even worse than Trump. I spent 3 years hating Trump until I realized how much for insidious the Left was.
"Biden would have to be a supporter of Antifa and lying about literally everything to be comparable to Trump."
I mean, that really says it all. The comparisons are ridiculous. Thanks for saying it, Sam.
Biden vs. Trump is a false equivalent. It's Trump vs. the gaslighting MSM, Silicon Valley and the corrupt Deep State, that not only tried to prevent Trump from being elected, but put the country through more than two years of Russiagate, a sham impeachment, and a highly suspect attribution of covid deaths to Trump. Sam is known, among his highly intelligent peers, to have a blind spot due to his hatred of Trump.
@@williamtaylor5193 Very well put my friend thats it in a nutshell
sarcasm is the best weapon and medicine atm
So what's the right-wing equivalent of Antifa that Trump is a supporter of?
@@williamtaylor5193 lol
Beautifully stated, as usual. Everything including "...we run a serious risk of moral hazard..." and "...Trump was never an answer to the problem of the far left.". If you even think the far left is a problem. Sam Harris gets nowhere close to enough positive credit for his view point.
Sam needed to make this video years ago.
Someone had to say it.
@Redditor White I doubt anyone else has said exactly this.
Just so we're all on the same page We are talking about how you were accused of doing a stinky-rotten-egg-poo-fart ..right?
one word "utter devaluation of truth". And its happening somewhere else as well... i.e. India. it might not be coincidence
While that's actually four words, I agree. 😉
Can you imagine how much of thrashing a conversation between Sam and Dave would be now?
I would love that conversation. I used to listen to Sam and feel like he was reading my mind- he'd ask all the hard questions even if he didn't like the answers. Now he just asks the questions that confirm his biases, and avoids discussions with those willing to call attention to his blindspots. Unfortunate.
I voted for Trump but I never liked the man and I agree with this 100 percent and I wish many other Trump supporters could see this, and stop believing the fraud narrative.
Thanks for doing what you do Sam. I love your books and the arguments you layout.