The Key To Trump's Appeal (Episode
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- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris describes his new understanding of why people support President Trump.
Released: November 02, 2020
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Trump supporters do not trust politicians or the government so electing someone who was the opposite of presidential was the main goal here. Many Trump supporters would probably admit to all the negatives but they all seem to agree that Trump wants what is best for America, whether that is true or not is not up to me i'm just trying to shed some light here.
Yea, Trump has so many negatives, but in a sense he was the only one running that qualifies for the job. He doesn't love what America could be if it was more like Europe or with this or that better ideological change. When people ask when was America ever great, they disqualify themselves. Imagine telling a loved one they were never great because they made mistakes in the past; that you want to break them down and re-make them as some utopian ideological project. Make America great wasn't just some return to the way the economy was, or how laws were, but returning to loving America and what it means to be American, what the government is for and setting free Americans to do great things. He was going out negotiating for Americans, not some world order. Gonna stop before I go full old man rant but yea, Sam is kinda starting to get it, but you have to sit through 85% "look guys I hate trump too" before he gets to the point. He still thinks if he doesn't, he's going to leave his mind vulnerable to corruption by MAGA viruses or something. He could have spent the whole time actually developing this insight beyond the borderline "ah, idiots like him because he's a piece of shit that makes them feel good to be themselves", but nope. Part of the reason I don't end up listening to long form from Sam though. He has occasional insights but most of it is slathered in these layers of useless self-hypnosis.
My initial thought of trump running for presidency was "what a moron, i wanna vote for him just to see what happens". what a moron i was, in all honesty. i didn't take it seriously
Also this. Trump's 70,000,000 votes literally saved the country. This Identitarian Blue Wave did not happen. And that was SOLELY becuase of actual Trump voters. So while Sam can talk all his shit, in his world Biden gets what? 100,000,000 of those 140,000,000 votes? Sam said himself he thought no one should vote Trump. Could you imagine the devastation of that? Can you imagine Biden getting 100,000,000 plus votes and Dems winning all those seats they wanted? Sam doesnt mention that part. Sam better thank his lucky stars us Trump supporters ignored his "wisdom" and voted right. We saved this election. Ibrahim X Kennedy would be drafting his Woke Constitutional Amendments if Sam Harris had his way. AOC may be forming those lists if Sam's brilliance won.
Trump is a sociopath, he cares about nothing but himself.
Trump was a wrecking ball to the sick, corrupt, rotting bipartisan neoliberal establishment. The system that got us into pointless, destructive wars in the Middle East, shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas, indebted us and inflated our currency, and flooded our unskilled labor market with poor, uneducated immigrants who undercut citizen workers on wages (among other things). People actually do care a lot about those things. Many people. Millions in fact.
God I love Sam Harris. His logical distain for DT is very similar to mine.
I like all of you who judge sam use very high standards, but when u judge trump its like u are judging a five year old.
Sam has a high intellect and has built a career that quite rightly places value on science and reason. When his emotions get the better of him it's not unreasonable for people to point this out and ask him to recalibrate his critical faculties and approach the trump question in the way he does with most other issues.
Christina
Trump would be perfect if only he would get America back into the WAR business.
Sam loves WAR.
America WAR is our business.
Business is good.
Have you ever heard of a more disgusting business model?
"I like all of you who judge sam use very high standards"
*Sam doesn't understand, just as a five year old. Sam admits this in this video as he fumble around in his subjective non-sense about his feelings for trump. Sam's dumb in this topic, he should move on.*
@@jeffberlin4179 "Trump would be perfect if only he would get America back into the WAR business."
*Trump created world peace in the last four years you MORON.*
@@cryptokon5829
I was being sarcastic
"he lacks every virtue for which we have a word"
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Every random sam harris episode i seem to listen to he brings up Trump in a negative connotation
Here some wise words I think Sam needs to meditate on:
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.
-Carl Jung
When someone causes you no harm or slight yet you still dislike them, chances are they stir some kind of insecurity or uncertainty deep in yourself. Perhaps they reflect a trait you dislike about yourself.
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
-Hermann Hesse
Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
-Martin Luther King Jr.,
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
-Mahatma Gandhi
@@nikitadavid143
Sin is imaginary. Assholes are real though.
@@nikitadavid143 As an apologist for human frailty you've taken it to a whole different level.
@@brucecaldwell6701 I always find it interesting how deeply one person can characterize, malign, disgust another person they've never actually met. Any interpretation you have of a thing through any medium, and most certainly through the news, is in part a reflection of you the observer. Sam's free will arguments would support this as well.
Anyway, humans be humans.
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I will never not find Sam's utter confoundment at Trump both extremely relatable and incredibly entertaining.
“Trump gave his supporters something no one else would: permission to be their worst selves.”
I read that comment almost a year ago and it was like an epiphany.
@@kenfresno5218 yep
@@kenfresno5218 Won the White House though.
@@kenfresno5218 who said anything about Republicans?
@@kenfresno5218 evidently... somebody with a severe lack of reading comprehension thinks that trump supporters equals all republicans
@@kenfresno5218
1. I made a comment about trump supporters
2. You made a comment chastising me about making blanket assumptions about trump supporters
3. You made a comment about hoping that mainstream democrats continue this message that EVERY Republican is ...
Now, when you said democrats, I was assuming you were talking about me (and others with my viewpoint). Working on that assumption, I pointed out that I didn’t say anything about Republicans, just trump supporters. If my assumption was wrong, then you were making a blanket assumption that all democrats had that viewpoint. This would make you a hypocrite since you are guilty of the same offense you accused me of.
So which is it? Was I correct and you were talking about me, or were you being totally hypocritical and talking about all democrats?
This is an interesting take. Certainly a vote for Trump among many of his voters is a vote against his opposers, but I think many quiet voters for Trump are simply willing to overlook his flaws because they feel cornered by the left. This is why Sun Tzu advises not to completely surround your opponent, but leave them an escape route, so that they do not fight as furiously to the death.
There is little hope among today's right, and they feel major institutions (legacy media, big tech, universities) are out to disfigure their country and reputations. For all his flaws, Trump remains an unflinching buoy in deep, turbulent waters. The left really can win over or at least disarm (perhaps not literally!) much of the right, if they actually practice their proclaimed ideals of love and tolerance, and attempt to understand the right, before demanding to be understood.
I think Sam got it pretty right in his take, only the part saying his supporters see Trump as themselves... Is mostly wrong. We don't view ourselves as immoral or bad, nor do we tend to view Trump as that. But we know he is viewed in all the bad and evil ways we're acused of being - so we support him as our shield. For all his flaws, he does us well and I do believe him a good man.
That's a great take on it and is mostly what I observe too.
@@TheMithridates "I think Sam got it pretty right in his take"
*How do you know Sam is right about his conflicted irrational feelings for Trump? It's hard to not say Sam is a liar, when he says he can't understand how family/friend loyalty are any different from loyalty to strangers. Maybe Sams just emotional and not a liar.*
Palmer, unless you want to live in a totalitarian state, you better think more deeply about your distorted perspective of the modern left. The modern left isn't fighting a just and noble war based on sound reasoning. In fact, the truth is quite the opposite. The modern left is antithetical to the meaning of the word: liberal. The modern left wants to control what you say and even what you think. The modern left wants an elite class that doesn't live by the same rules as those they govern. The modern left, mainstream media, Washington bureaucracy, and establishment in general, (all of which are different parts of the same body) were exposed by Trump's Presidency. You were so busy hating Trump and so focused on winning you failed to realize what was happening right in front you.
Some people see it as not voting for Trump, who behaves like a toddler, but a vote against the left. While Biden isn’t far left, who knows how long he’ll last as president? Harris will be the defacto president, and she’s somehow the most progressive senator, and that includes Bernie.
Hearing Sam say “fat Jesus” had me cracking up. I had rewind that part🤣
Still the clearest and most accurate explanation of Trumpers
Repost, but I can listen to Sam denouncing Trump for hours, it's so enjoyable
How did I miss this one?? Yes, 1Million% correct here.
“Less of an asshole; always progress”
- Sam Harris, 2020
Every random sam harris episode i seem to listen to he brings up Trump in a negative connotation
Here some wise words I think Sam needs to meditate on:
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.
-Carl Jung
When someone causes you no harm or slight yet you still dislike them, chances are they stir some kind of insecurity or uncertainty deep in yourself. Perhaps they reflect a trait you dislike about yourself.
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
-Hermann Hesse
Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
-Martin Luther King Jr.,
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
-Mahatma Gandhi
@@nikitadavid143 Nikita,I do not think you understand why so many people have a problem with Trump. Trump has called climate change a hoax,has mocked a disabled person,is unable to form a comprehensive paragraph in a speech etc. These are some of the problems with this man. I agree with Trump about Islam,but the man completely has his screws loose when it comes to almost anything else. He claims to know more and be the best at anything he talks about. Seriously,this man repeatedly asked for Obama's birth certificate and his family has a history of racism. Moreover,Trump responded in an extremely stupid manner to the covid-19 pandemic. I am flabbergasted as to how some people support this man. Can you kindly explain to me why you support him? I do not completely understand the appeal. Is it simply because of Christianity or something?
@@nikitadavid143 what an incredibly stupid comment
That was amazing. Thanks for reuploading this, I would have missed it. Very enlightening!
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Not really. Sam is way off....
Everything he said about Trump has proven, a little over two years later, to be an indictment of himself. This guy isn’t deep. He has Trump Derangement Syndrome to a degree I don’t think I’ve seen in anyone other than Rob Reiner, yet he accuses Trump of being deranged. This guy has lost his mind and can’t even recognize his hypocrisy, said it was okay to throw away democracy to save democracy, that even if Hunter Biden had the corpses of children in his basement it still wouldn’t be as bad as Trump. That’s sick.
@@CHRISDABAHIA Is this your idea of an argument? Or do you know what you’re saying is empty of substance and just don’t care?
I just read a comment and it said...”fight immoral fire with immoral fire!” Is this the new democracy?? I’m at a total loss!!!
It is when we have two choices. Which is the real problem...
@@stefanyellowcurry1011 Most large democracies can only maintain two viable choices at the national level; even parliamentary democracies like Canada and the United Kingdom. If you want a third party to take over one of those spots, try winning some local elections first and build a regional coalition.
Yes! Scott Adams' take on Trump has always seemed deranged to me. As when other media talking heads describe him as a great con-man. He's so frikking unconvincing!
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't get past this confusion. People say he's persuasive, and I'm inclined to believe them, since almost half the country stands persuaded. But EVERYTHING you said, from my perspective, as well, simply couldn't be more spot on. I'm so perplexed on how absolutely everybody doesn't dismiss him the first time he opens his mouth, if not even before he gets that far.
Year 2050:
Episode 1000: Making sense of Trump
It'll take more than 30 years to make sense of Trump.
@@Jooooger Not really. Here's the recipe: 1 part anger, 1 part stupidity, 1 part racism. Mix together (shaken, not stirred). Serve on ice.
@@flavoredwallpaper I guess I'll rephrase. It'll take more than 30 years to understand how the last surviving world super-power elected a celebrity TV host with no experience as president.
@@Jooooger it's funny how hard it is for some people to truly understand why Trump won. Michael Moore had a good description in 2016 but seemed to have forgotten about it after since I think it was a little too on the money and judgmental of the ruling class.
@@Jooooger Trump got elected because both parties offered Trump voters nothing for decades, they destroyed jobs through NAFTA, blamed the white working class for all the problems in the world (and I actually saw one Democrat laugh about the rise in white male suicide) and most people felt like the quality of their lives were declining and their kids were going to have it worse and Trump voters wanted to give the ruling class a thank you present since we saw how much stress he brought you.
As a moderate conservative I, and many of my conservative friends, absolutely agree that Trump is appalling on every level- except for one- which I will come back to. We may have voted for Trump but we did not like it. There were several very decent, upstanding republican candidates earlier on in the last two presidential elections that we would have much preferred but they did not make it. There are plenty of conservatives in this camp. But I also know plenty of conservatives who are big Trump supporters. I struggle to understand their enthusiasm for someone who is so sleazy. These are smart, honest, kind, generous people that I know very well and count as friends- not some strangers on TV that I can casually dismiss as ignorant, stupid crackpots. Listening to this episode has helped me to understand them and be less of an asshole too, so that's progress.
I think Sam has certainly tapped into something here that begins to make sense of how Trump can appeal to many conservatives. The liberal left has alienated, vilified, and terrified a large segment of American society by shaming them for being sis, white, hetero males who are responsible for colonialism and slavery and should be made to pay for it. When people are categorically backed into a corner and feel attacked and threatened, there will be a backlash and it will not necessarily be a balanced one. Also, the way ObamaCare was rammed thru was very offensive to half the country and that still does not sit well. You create your own enemies... and this is the foe that the left has fashioned, which is not Trump really, but rather roughly half of the country who is feeling so bullied and attacked and denigrated that they will take any champion who has what it takes to push back on their behalf. What does Trump have? BALLS! He doesn't ever back down. Would the right generally prefer a decent, upstanding, virtuous leader? Absolutely! Those types of candidates exist but it seems impossible for a decent, compassionate human being to make it thru the nastiness and mudslinging that the media and both parties engage in during the election process. If fighting dirty is the only way to make it thru, then the nastiest, foulest, jerk winds up at the top. If the left would listen to the concerns of the right and not marginalize our perspective, we would not have to shove Trump in your face. It's time that the left (and the news media) realize that they are largely responsible for this situation. I am writing this post-election but noting has changed just because Trump lost- barely. We will not be rid of Trump until the reasons for his political rise are tempered. I suspect that the new administration will continue to foster the attitudes and policies that made Trump possible, in fact necessary. If you don't listen when we speak, we will shout, and if you still don't give us some respect, we will get mad, and pretty soon there's a pair of large, overgrown balls in the White House- but at least they're conservative balls. They are embarrassing and are definitly causing
continuation: They are embarrassing and are definitely causing problems but at least those problems are at least not aimed directly at me.
I could probably add to this. There was a time when I thought Trump was simply a man with a few flaws. The reason why I thought this was probably because once I realized the media did lie about him I began trusting the conservative outlets almost without exception, until I realized they were also deceiving me. I think it’s possible a lot of your friends are in that stage, when someone lie to you and the other side comes to you to save you, it’s hard to image they too are malicious. I know a big reason for my doing this has to do with the intersectional crazy people, there’s a lot of them and it’s very scary to me. In fact it’s scarier to me personally than the right wing crazies to believe in conspiracies. I’ve know people who believe the right wing lies and all I have to do is explain the facts and thoroughly disprove their talking points and 1 out of 2 times they change their opinion on the spot. On the other hand I once had a debate with a teacher. I live in Canada and learning about “ethnocentrism” which is a real thing but we were taught differently than the official definition, we were taught that all cultures were inherently equal. And I tried to argue this as nonsenses particularly on the fact that European forms of government were undeniably better than First Nations (Canadian Indians) which worked via consensus government. I also said something that until then I interpreted to be self evident, that as far as American natives today were concerned it was a good thing that colonization occurred, the government definitely neglects them sometimes but their lives now were superior to being hunter gatherers. Literally nobody in my class could even understand how I could say that and they actually thought I was racist. I tried to explain how their constant insistance that Canada was “their” (the natives) land was inherently racist, because I was born here, so were my fellow First Nations Canadians, and Asian Canadians, the only difference was who our ancestors were which should be irrelevant. I even showed how they weren’t consistant and explained that nobody is going around saying that England is the Anglo Saxon’s land and all the descendants of normans are colonizers. They literally could not change their opinion. Later on in this social class we had fake votes where we voted for policies and in a 75% voted that it should be legal for muslims in Canada to cut off a girl’s clitorus, but anti vaxing should be illegal.
TLDR: I have an extremely creepy and messed up past growing up with progressives, they legit scare the shit out of me and anybody pushing that shit like Biden and his “diverse cabinet” that is more diverse than America (71% white) and way more diverse than the boomer generation more like 80% white is almost an immediate disqualification.
^^^ This.
@@j-dog7767 It did not take long for you to say that colonization, and the resultant genocide, were ultimately for the best. Jesus Christ, no wonder you feel alienated from those around you.
@@edawg792 Ah, yes! The so-called "sins of the fathers". We've dismissed that idea.
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For a neuroscientist and philosopher, I am truly surprised at Sam Harris' difficulty in easily grasping Trump's appeal to his supporters.
Every random sam harris episode i seem to listen to he brings up Trump in a negative connotation
Here some wise words I think Sam needs to meditate on:
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.
-Carl Jung
When someone causes you no harm or slight yet you still dislike them, chances are they stir some kind of insecurity or uncertainty deep in yourself. Perhaps they reflect a trait you dislike about yourself.
If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
-Hermann Hesse
Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
-Martin Luther King Jr.,
Hate the sin, love the sinner.
-Mahatma Gandhi
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin
If you can’t understand why trump got elected you are the lower half of the bell-curve
This is precisely why people voted for Biden the true moronic racist war monger and celebrated in the streets
@@voidscreaming1012 Yeah the great American mistake that is the Electoral College. That is in the Constitution so that the slave states would ratify it. That said, he represents LESS than half of the country.
@Raymond Raleigh UMMM nope, he threw the ball at the ground and missed.
Then why didn't bleeps vote for Trump..? They're the ones with an 85 IQ ... if that's the condition of the "sale" ...
And BTW, as a result of that group being in "your tent" -- you can rest assured your groups IQ is lower. ;-)
It’s mind blowing how many people are subscribed to Sam just to leave hate comments. They even have the bell turned on 😂
You really hate differing opinions
I like Sam and his intellect. I have no problem with him hating Trump. What is funny to me is that he seems to be so involved in his bubble that he doesn't understand that people vote for him because they reject wokeness and stand for law and order and not out of admiration towards him. But I can accept that and still listen to him. You know, get out of my bubble, would do you well too as far as I can tell.
@@ButterflyHakan No, I have nothing against real criticism. That’s not what many of these comments are though
@@seanj6333 To be fair, Sam insulted Trump from A-Z in this one, called him all sorts of names, even mocked his weight and then went on to claim that Trump's supporters love him BECAUSE of his flaws and that he's their "fat jesus". What kind of criticism would in your view be appropriate dealing with super intellectual claims like that?
How do you know they subscribe just to leave hate comments? I've been a follower and fan for more than a decade and a paying subscriber until the TDS took over.
You hit the nail on the head Sam. He is the antithesis of PC culture. He came in and gave the establishment, elitist left the bird in the biggest way anyone ever could. I genuinely loved his 4 years.
Congrats on having the mind and rationale of a 15 year-old boy.
You're really misguided man, trump has not been positive in any way whatsoever. if anything, he's emboldened PC/woke culture.
I'm baffled. What brings a mind like yours to appreciate a mind like Sam Harris'?
At last... someone who explains exactly what I am feeling but could not articulate. Almost brought to tears at how much your words made sense. Thank you for the clarity
Moral superiority in politics? Who, how, when and where did such a thing occurred? It's unfair to demand that from him, when none of his competitors meet that demand.
And how did you miss why people were voting for him? Because they were public about why they were voting for him.
He is good on policy, and people overlook his atrocious personality. You may say that you don't find anything good in his policy proposals. First of all, this clearly is not true because, for example, he's closer to you on "defund the police" than much of the left. But it gets much, much worse. The guy became a successful real estate businessman, a TV star, a U.S. President, and in process did not demonstrate to you a single virtue. Not a single one? Business acumen? Ability to read people? No? Nothing at all? Are you personally satisfied with your own level of analysis?
I think your podcast has beautifully illustrated a point you had made so many times yourself. Human mind is incredibly partitioned, and people with extremely disciplined thinking in one area often become entirely unprincipled in another. You are no exception.
Of course they overlook his personality. Policy matters.
The key to Trump's appeal is to understand that the lethal combination of outsourcing and mass-immigration are two sides of the same coin and a ploy to bring down wages. The ones who are most hurt by this lethal combination of outsourcing + mass-immigration are working-class whites but also a sizeable portion of working-class people of other races - which is why Trump's appeal among non-white working-class has INCREASED over the last four years while woke whites and sensitive liberals affected by Trump Derangement Syndrome (such as Sam Harris or BIll Maher) have completely lost their mind over Orange Man's tweets.
I don’t know why Sam was not hired for negative political ads. He would be the best at it . Although , he is telling the truth using the perfect words
Sam, I think your onto something. As a 2020 white trump supporter who often cringed watching trump speak, I felt compelled to vote for him. Due to the hatred I heard coming from the left aimed at me and of the many black high school friends on Facebook I had, suddenly seemed to become black supremacists calling me racist because I believed in equal opportunity but not equatable outcome. If the democrat hucksters continue down the same road and there isn't a better republican candidate I will be forced to vote for trump again most regrettably. Trump also left the country in better shape than when he came into the presidency.
This nailed it. If the left veer too far left, or become sanctimonious, many people feel alienated and constantly chastised. Hope everyone on all "sides" can learn from this mayhem.
He doesn't persuade anyone of anything, he just reinforces everything they've heard on Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox New, etc.
Yup. An NPC leading an army of NPCs. No internal dialogue, but ego, Ego, EGO!!!
@@kenfresno5218 If you were persuaded by "Grab 'em by the Pussy!", then we all know what you were persuaded into thinking and why.
@@kenfresno5218 It's not contempt for you, per se, but rather I think it's contempt for the conception that any "One individual (or even culture)" can "solve all our problems", especially when that involves divisiveness and dominance.
That perspective comes from the ego and fear parts of our brains, which is more fixated on telling us the stories about what we lack, rather than what we can share. Just speaking for myself, though...
@@kenfresno5218 "Trump literally refused to seize federal power during COVID" 🤣 🤣 🤣
1) The ONLY power Trump is concerned about, is the perception of his own image and how he can use it to manipulate others for more attention. That's what an ego fixation does to someone.
And 2) The ONLY reason we have an office of the president is for one person to make the tough decisions, when tough decisions need to be made. Which you're absolutely right about... He did not do that, at all.
@@kenfresno5218 Yes... Debating on whether or not masks and social distancing measures are effective method at curtailing the spread of an airborne infectious disease was exactly what we needed.
We also needed the governors to "ask Trump nicely", because we realize how important manners are when limited resources leads to people dying, and the only way to get what we want is to ask nicely for it. 🤣 🤣 🤣
You're such a clown.
When you get berated for being fallible, imperfect human beings, or for things you haven’t done but are guilty of by association, by hypocrites who gaslight away their own flaws and act like they are perfect, and this guy comes along an stands up to them and wins. Yes he’s flawed, just like the rest of us. You are starting to sound like them, Sam.
I like your profile picture. It looks neat.
He is them. He hates Christians and Anglo-Saxons and especially white people. I'm done with this "Sam is so smart but he doesn't get this" mantra. I think he does get it and he's a hateful bigot.
@@nathanvance9384 I dislike the woke left because certain aspects of their behavior reminds of religion. I grew up with religious people talking with the same self righteous certainty the left does now.
@@nathanvance9384 good call Nathan. not at all ridiculous. Not. at. all.
@@richardfrancis1169 I have just as much evidence that Sam hates Christians and Anglo-Saxon whites, as he has that Trump hates minorities. Sam is a bigot. It's the only explanation for his extreme case of cognitive dissonance. The idiot calls Trump divisive, than goes on to shun half the country in a single sentence. It's his hatred.
Authoritarian Dictator Tendencies I cannot overlook. A man who doesn't respect truth or the law, I cannot overlook.
So true: „The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist.“
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
Using words like "authoritarian dictator" to refer to a democratically elected President of the United States, who has a mandated maximum of 2, 4 year terms, may demonstrate an ignorance of both definition and history that most people would be embarrassed to display publicly. I think the record shows that King George III of Great Britain and Ireland was the most recent "authoritarian dictator" associated with the American political experience .
@@razorback0z I said "authoritarian dictator TENDENCIES" key word being tendencies which simply means he is in love with dictators all over the world and that is very dangerous. He obviously wants to be one too. But his dream died.
@The Hierophant Trump said there were millions of illegal votes when he won in 2016, then set up a Presidential Commission to investigate and found NOTHING. Then he loses and here comes all the WHINING from a LOSER. Look that up in the constitution.
@The Hierophant Willfully ignorant is what you are. Stop projecting your faults.
To understand Trump is to understand the struggle to live in a world where everything is getting worse around you, and nobody is standing to fight for what you once had. He stands for everything that your country is losing, just like we are in mine.
With all respect, you vote for the policy and values. Not the clown in charge right?
I'm just a young man from Norway and don't understand everything about the American system or culture obviously. But I am confused over how much time you talk about the human flaws of the person compered to what they actually represent. I doubt 50% of your country think he's a good person or role model, they more likely don't like the modern liberal democracy.
Personally I've lost a lot of respect for the modern liberal democracy my self the last five years. Especially after 2020. Modern republican values seems closer to the center to me.
Like I learned from you Sam: "The problem with the left is that there's no clear line when they've gone too far"
The clown currently in charge of the US, the President, has _much_ more power than your average European prime minister. You simply can't separate policy from character when it comes to the US President - and I'd add any leader, frankly.
If you can't separate the policy from character (of any leader like you say), then it makes even more sense to only vote for the policy.
It's pretty clear for anyone that's been paying attention for a while that Joe Biden for example is just a puppet for the liberals, Kamala Harris will do more of the "thinking".
@@Peter_Parker69 No, and exactly to the contrary: You can't separate character and policy since character almost always will override policy; that's simply how the human psyche is created. We're emotional creatures, not rational ones.
@@RTC1655 hey moron, trump is the first president to not invade a country in 39 years. He also demanded that europe pitch in more for NATO. Must be nice to be able to have all that big european dystopian government spending when you don't even have to write the check for your own defense. How long before biden goes all in on Syria? But i thought you lefties were suppose to be the anti war party....right 🙄
Modern Republican values seem closer to the center to you? No offense, but you are way out of your depth in American politics if that is what you truly believe. The last 30 years has seen asymmetrical polarization within the two main parties here, where the Republican party has gone off the deep end of the spectrum (starting with Gingrich takeover, progressing to the Tea Party movement and now with Donald Trump's presidency) whereas the Democratic party has resisted any sort of push from the progressive left and clung to neoliberal, centrist ideas.
You are probably paying less attention to policy and more to the culture war if you are making such absurd statements as that one.
It would seem to me after listening to this very nice description of the issue that the best way the left can turn the tide against the Trump base is to change their approach to social justice issues. They need to find a way to battle social justice without being so judgmental and doing so much finger pointing. Find a way to talk like “regular dudes” and appeal to the Trump base. Find a way to not be so angry. Find a way to not fill everyone with guilt and shame. If they could crack that nut then they might see the Trump base just fade away.
Spot on.
Dream on.
This assumes that all social justice goals are good and will lead to the desired out comes. LMAO.
Peak TDS.
Loving him blindly is also another manifestation of TDS.
@@djgroopz4952 correct I view him like chemo it's fucking horrible to go through but necessary to survive the cancer that is the body politic.
I love Sam, read his book, listened to so many podcasts. He's briliant
"[Sam] is the least qualified person to comment on Trump's appeal." Sam has an IQ that's above room temperature so I completely agree.
@@credman
>a IQ
Yikes.
@@credman pffft maybe celsius
You're unstated premise is absurd, if I'm catching it.
You can only comment on his appeal if he appeals to you?
As a neuroscientist, Sam's expertise is at least adjacent to and overlapping with the most salient scientific fields from which to analyze such propositions.
@@credman in Celsius
Wow. Just wow. This was an amazing insight. Couldn’t help but watch the video three times. I’ve been desperately struggling to understand this for 4 years and you just “made it click” in 8 minutes.
It’s so obvious now. How did I not see this before?
@Experiencing A Significant Gravitas Shortfall Lol, all multi national corporations have to do to get Trump on their side, is cut him in. Short of greed and power, I just don't see any guiding principle at all. I think it's a huge mistake to think Trump cares about anything other than Donald J. Trump.
@Experiencing A Significant Gravitas Shortfall Trump undoing something Obama did is proof of a grand scheme to protect america from multi national corporations? A quick google search indicates Trump's tax plan (enacted 2018) was a huge windfall for multinationals. Do you have any particular expertise in international trade, or some other evidence?
I see him the Same Sam, when the US elected him back in 2016 I could see right through him and knew we were in trouble.
Why are so many people subbed for the sole purpose of shrieking "TDS!" in the comments every time Sam uploads anything?
no one subbed to hear his biased view on trump
Because it's funny and true. Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, Sam Harris etc all suffer from major TDS
Smart people like to listen to multiple points of view. If a lot of people are "shrieking 'TDS'", maybe there's a reason?
It's a common tactic among some right-wingers and it can be seen on the vast majority of channels that have the audacity to call Trump out on his failures, lies, hypocrisy, corruption, and mental instability. My brother is (unfortunately) one of these people and they literally get alerts or emails or notifications on their social media accounts, of which videos to go to and downvote and carpet bomb the comment section with 'TDS' or some equally lazy rote slogan. Ironically this only reinforces the observation that these people are little more than sycophantic cultists, but there it is.
I’m right of centre and to me this video seems completely fine as an attempt to understand the other side while disagreeing
I also feel Sam isn’t the type person to read the comments on his own podcast -us common folk are just too pleb in appearance to be meddled with-but if he had, he probably would have understood the other side (many of which are/were his subscribers) more deeply. His explanation is shameful at best in that it paints Trump's opposition as simply overly virtuous characters, and completely lets them off the hook when in reality, Trump is merely the result of their existence (in the same way as atheism is the result of someone else believing in a God). As a big fan of Sam for most things, on this particular topic he is beginning to make me deeply question the limits of reason.
@Jason Carter
Hello Jason, the underpaid housekeeper of Sam Harris. All it takes is a small sample of the comments below. RUclips channels bigger than this one are perfectly capable of doing it, and so in summary, while your comedic attempt to make a point is understood, I don't agree with your a underlying argument.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
respect to not dragging it out and keeping the vid under 10 min
Trump: No “apolo-jezus”
I thought this was obvious. Seems it was not.
He's also quite tenacious. Imagine being under constant, intense pressure from the media for 4 years and not giving up. He's also not giving up right now, even if he has a slim chance. For all his flaws, I find these traits to be admirable.
His own behavior is the reason why he’s received so much backlash, so I don’t find that admirable at all. Obama faced constant hate from the right for 8 years, and ignored that just as handily. However, his hate didn’t rise to the same level, because he was not tweeting a constant stream of stupid, hateful bullshit, and he didn’t say absolutely insane things at every speaking opportunity.
@Cyberdemon: You would have loved Hitler.
@@echt114 Lul
@@echt114 You should tell that to AOC, who wants to put Trump supporters on a list.
@@Cyberdemon1542 A list? For a mental facility? She's on the right track then. I'm only partially kidding. About the only thing positive I can say about Trump is that he's not waivered in opposing PC. Other than that, he's an enabler of the worst of humanity.
Remember when Sam Harris actually said interesting things?
TDS through the roof
He does every single week. If you're an idiot, it won't get through, however.
@Sean Davis Derangement is what intelligence looks like to an idiot.
@@credman oh the irony
I think this was interesting (when it was first uploaded).
I'm not sure how correct he is, but it's still interesting.
Wow...I finally get it. Thanks, Sam.
I like Sam Harris but disagree here. All this is a good argument against NOMINATING him. But once he is nominated, if you are a conservative or Republican, Sam's argument (which isn't wrong) won't defeat that fact.
How do you know these "things" when the picture we get of him is so distorted by the media?
The entire country needs to hear this amazingly insightful and perfectly articulated message. Let’s broadcast it everywhere.
Sam, when you discuss anything relating Trump you come across as the same brand of ignorance/bias that you often face off against in religious debates.
I don’t support trump whatsoever but your rhetoric on him is exhausting and regressive to say the least. It’s almost like hearing someone try and convert me to Christianity by saying that I’m a sinner if I don’t follow their belief system. That assumption that I’m damned to hell if I’m not a Christian, and therefore I must be a sinner or a demon if I disagree.
Very very bizarre to hear that from you after watching you for almost a decade debate that exact rhetoric.
Not sure what so bizarre about his rhetoric against Trump. He is clearly and in detail explaining why the guy is such a bafoon who should have never been taken seriously by nobody and the fact that there are people who actually did and voted for him is astonishing. But what Sam doesn’t realize is that
he is highly intellectual and half of the country is not. The majority of people r dumb and easily persuaded one way or the other and with Trump’s simple and repetitive way of talking can easily have people persuaded. It is not that hard to understand why he has such an appeal
Yeah the Trump worship makes no sense. In fact I haven't found a Trump supporter that can actually explain it. At best it is some mythical hatred of the "left". That is about all they seem to agree on.
ruclips.net/video/3yBGE80covk/видео.html
Looking at various Psychologists view of Trump - the way he validates greed, amorality, ignorance....appears to be the clinical leitmotif.
Looking at various pretenders in the art of Psychology we know some people pretend in what a psychologist pretends. What can't a person pretend?
yes he does it out in the open rather than behind closed doors like most career politicians. The very fact that people like you don't get this is what leads you to TDS and the democrat MSM know full well you dont get it as well and theyre loving it.
@@cryptokon5829 Your comment is nonsensical.
@@nidgemorphie4316 If you are not deranged by Trump it indicates a sympathy for populist sociopathy.
What's with the reupload
@@DybbukDEpstein Can you back this up? I’m skeptical he would care what the ratio of likes to dislikes.
@@DybbukDEpstein i can't wait for all of you dummys to leave this community lmao, or at least have your minds changed. I'm baffled as to why so many trump supporters are so vocal in the comments.
He had to count the mail-in comments
@@GIFT1FROM1THE1GODZ YT is the only big social media where conservstives dominate in, hence it's their perfect bubble to say what they wish.
At least liberals on YT don't get angrily jumped on besides being mocked or made fun of (which is irrational and uncalled for). A conservative won't survive even a minute on Twitter, Reddit, Quora, FB, Insta, etc.
@@DybbukDEpstein “He did not like the ratio of the first upload got.” seems like a statement of fact rather than an opinion.
The re-upload, the mixed reactions, the passive-aggressive behavior, it's all so fitting. This is what happens when you don't interact with your fans much but assume they generally think like you do. There's a gap there, Sam. Good luck building that bridge, or whatever the hell you're trying to achieve with this video.
@Jack Schitt Harris is intelligent, there's no doubt about that (we've all seen his credentials) but his take here is not spot on. Harris' judgments are coming from the surface and it's showing. Anyone can dabble in sociology but the specific groups he's criticizing, they all have complex pathologies, which I don't think Harris has researched or understood very well. This video sounds more like the regurgitation of less cogent ideas (probably from his guests), with a shoehorned conclusion at the end. To me, a lot of this comes off as confirmation bias in action.
Which part did you disagree with?
Hey, everyone. This may be counterproductive but what correction was made to this video to prompt the re-upload?
Too many people were pointing out reasonable justification for supporting trump.
Honestly, I didn't notice any difference between this one and the first upload.
@@chrisd6736 makes no sense. The same could be done on this video too
@@DeusEx_Machina- I’ve literally seen this video uploaded 3 times now. It’s to control the comments. All the comments are wiped each time it’s taken down.
@@chrisd6736 Well yea, its a re-upload. Just that nothing is stopping anyone from making more comments. I'd be really suspicious if they turned off comments.
Oh Sam, its sad you still don't get it man.
Its team sports, he scored points
bingo.
We get it. What we don't get is why you want to live in a totalitarian society. Why don't you just leave us alone and move to Russia, or China, or Venezuela or someplace like that. If you win the game, all you'll be winning is a third world country. Another 4 years of Fat Donnie would have accomplished that. What we have figured out, is that when you say you want to take the country "back", you aren't talking about to pre civil rights movement America.. You're talking about the 16th century. Do you think that country could even survive in this day and age? We should stop saying that you're stupid, but really.....better learn to speak Russian and Chinese just in case your side does win.
If Trump were such a good persuader, he wouldn't have lost the popular vote by 5 million votes lmao
Trump is the anti politician. He makes fun of politicians. People love that. A vote for trump was a vote of protest against our terrible and broken political system, which is completely controlled by corporate interests, overspending, and empty promises.
Showing your own flaws means to humanize ones self, to show your own flaws is to do what most politicians refuse to do,
Sam got the 2nd half of his argument right that the appeal to Trump is that he’s the first leader in a while not to try and hold people to an insane standard that no one can live up to.
But saying Trump lacks Curiosity, Discipline, and Courage is far from the truth.
Curiosity: watch Trumps round table with California leadership during the fires and watch how he’s actively trying to learn about how to deal with the situation.
Discipline: Does Sam really believe a man who’s doing 5 rallies a day and signing peace deals is not disciplined?
Courage: the man has literally thrown away his cushy life to take on China, MSM, Big Pharma, Mass Immigration and the issues in the Middle East. Those are all hot button issues that require a level of courage most people wouldn’t dream of having.
It’s interesting how Sam’s hubris gets in the way of his thinking, but it goes to show you how the elitists (financially & intellectually) simply can’t figure out Trump and his base. It’s not us, it’s you Sam.
Don't be to harsh on Sam, I bet in 2024 he'll get the full picture
I'm actually beginning to think it's as simple as he hates white people and Christians.
"Curiosity"? His conclusion was California needed more rakes.
"Discipline"? His rallies fed his addiction.
"Courage"? He's broke - that's why he needed the presidency...to revive his financial position and why he refused to produce his promised tax returns.
@@lisad2701 like I said watch the round table > ruclips.net/video/Grxlt6kTcig/видео.html
Ahhhh an addiction I see, and the good old “he was so broke he didn’t really want to be president” narrative.
@@lisad2701 This idiot has TDS so bad she is going to have the worst hangover of her life when Biden is inaugurated. She'll probably still obsess over Trump though. Addictions and brain disease are tough.
He's not broke. That's liberal lunacy and your bitter hatred talking.
Sorry Sam, but it seems you are letting your disdain for “the left” cloud your judgment!
He never judges his opponents? He never compare himself as better?
Sometimes you really loose me.
Here’s what Trump does: he rips into Nancy Pelosi but he never once went after her voters or constituents. He has never made the fatal mistake Hillary did in calling people who vote for Democrats as a “Basket of Deplorables”.
You miss the point. It’s how his supporters feel about him. In their eyes they don’t believe Trump is better then them.
Trump has never said anything of substance in his criticisms of anything, because he lacks the intelligence necessary for reflection and articulation of a critic. He just calls names and pushes disdain for disdain's sake, and that is his appeal. He doesn't to have reasons, because "God damn it we're right and I'm sick and tired of having to defend myself!" Trump doesn't bother with comparisons or criticisms, he just jumps straight to conclusion and ridicule with the verbiage of a 10th-grader. I think that's what Harris was getting at: he offers no intelligent or moral standard, so he is completely non-threatening to the irrational and immoral among us.
@@kenfresno5218 A reasonable analysis is not contempt just because it determines something negative. Many liberals, myself included, recognize that most of the Republican Party platform is based in lies and demonstrably faulty logic, so that's why we consider many Republican voters to be manipulated and deceived by the GOP and Fox News, et al. There are also Republicans who are ignorant, which is to say they are genuinely uninformed. I call those Republicans "future liberals", because once they become informed of actual reality, they almost always end up voting against the GOP.
The issue is not thinking differently; it is how people think. Thinking differently is like debating between economic sanctions on Russia alone or also on their closest economic allies. There are pros and cons to each. How people think that Trump, who is and has always been obviously obtuse at best and a sideshow clown and bumbling business failure at worst, could represent anything of value reflects such a lack of understanding what value even is that there often seems like there's nowhere to even start a conversation.
@@kenfresno5218 I literally don't have the time to explain all the evidence for my reasoning. There is too much to share in a RUclips comment thread. But, since you are aware of some Republican "thinkers", I suggest you do some searches for "
Wake up Sam Harris
Trump :"We're gonna do amazing things, very, amazing things, you won't believe how amazing these things are going to be, it's just tremendous..."
Trump supporters :
"Trump has done amazing things, like, we didn't realise how amazing these things could be and then Trump just did it, what he's done is just amazing....."
The only achievement that anyone can possibly credit Trump and his supporters with, is that they have identified themselves as the idiots of America, every State and Federal law enforcement agency has literally been able to increase their "person's of interest" files overnight.
But don't think you're not a looser in Trump"s eyes if you're not white and rich and beautiful.
Well, this podcast sure sparked a tsunami of comments from every possible angle of perception, belief and analysis.
My takeaway is that there are quite a few different reasons why almost 50% of voters voted for Trump after witnessing 4 years of his administration. Like all partisans, including Dems who adulated over Obama, many seem totally oblivious to the actual glass half empty carnage wrought by this President and publicly acknowledge only the half full actions that are, in themselves, still quite debatable as to whether they were good for the country & the world or not. Such is the nature of governance that every action helps some and hurts others, often in equal measure.
Politics is such a deeply personal ball of psychological yarn that unravelling it just creates an even more tangled mess on the floor.
The current political divisions appear to me like irreconcilable differences that cannot be bridged to anyone's satisfaction, especially with globalized economics & continuous job-seeking migration undermining the job security of US workers every day. Nothing stokes fear & division like economic insecurity, and ever since NAFTA and the de-industrialization of the heartland it has been year after year of job insecurity, stagnant wages, rising cost of living, and increasing foreign competition for whatever opportunities might become available. Add the Covid-19 Recession to this witches' brew and it is amazing that the fear, anger and rage have not exploded into more serious mob violence so far.
History seems to shrug and say "social schisms are a normal, recurring fact of human life" and they are as mysterious as a single cell dividing or a Uranium atom fissioning. Some explanations sound somewhat reasonable, but then someone says something that clearly tosses reason out the window. Perhaps some forces of nature emerge from a deeper level of Reality and will always remain somewhat elusive to the intellect?
In any case, The People have voted and, this time, it was Biden/Harris who won. Obviously people smart enough to avoid exposure to the potentially lethal airborne Covid-19 respiratory virus at crowded polling stations decided to simply mail in their vote. That those voters primarily voted for Biden/Harris should give us something insightful to think about.
If we were truly committed to democracy in America, we would make it easy for all registered voters to vote from the safety & comfort of their own home. (Heck, most of us currently bank from home, buy online, renew our driver's licenses, and fill out our taxes from home.) Contrary to tv & radio talking heads, it is not that difficult to devise a mail in voting system with both identity protections & vote tampering detections, so this is really a matter that some folks do not want a true one person one vote democracy. They want speed bumps, roadblocks and detours in the way of some people voting who probably won't vote for them. This is about winning... pure & simple.
Winning or true democracy... which do we really want?
Yeah I'm not going to read all that
gimme yo sandwich
I see through people like Trump so I naturally agree 100% with your description of him.
But even if I was an US citizen which I'm not, I could never support a person like him, even if I dislike all the identity politics from the left.
It's amazing how could so many millions of people believe in such a character.
What makes you think his supporters "believe in his character" (whatever that means)? Maybe the like his actual policies
Didn't he work to do exactly what he campagined for?
Where is the Healthcare reform? Where's the border wall? Drain the swamp, how about 9 of his people getting arrested, people who ran his campaign? Oh yeah, our internet became increasingly monopolized (hint: WORSE for the consumer), along with broadcast news (Sinclair media anyone?). Honestly, what DID he deliver on? Hillary ain't locked up!?
@@ButterflyHakan
People who vote for him had to believe he would be somewhat suitable to lead the country. That implies some kind of trust on the person.
@@ghostboy2x He already reformed the healthcare system, I don't know what you're talking about. One of the first things he did was to dismantle Obamacare. The border wall is still being built right now. He never stopped trying to deliver on that in spite of the treasenous obstruction of the left. He did drain the swamp, at least partially, he redirected one of two parties with any power in the US away from the McCains and Bushes of the world, away from the neocons and establishmentarians, and forcefully modernized them. As for the democrats, it would be the left's job to vote for someone who is, oh I don't know, the exact opposite of Joe Biden. Unfortunately, they were too busy believing everything the tv told them to engage in any kind of ciritcal thinking.
Trump delivered on his promises regarding the economy and foreign and domestic policy. He is, however, not all powerful and had to fight a level of propaganda and hate no president has ever faced before, but every republican candidate or president will very likely face in the future now that they know that you people will just refuse to call them on anything.
We hired him to be a wrecking ball. That should have been apparent from the start.
@Jay Ess not over.
@Jay Ess too many didnt.
... and the only things he wrecked were those no one wanted wrecked.
You hired him because you are stupid.
@Jay Ess the wrecking ball was not for Americans it was for the pro war DEMS
Republicans support him because of his cruelty, his profane personality, his blatant desire to hurt others. His constant framing of himself as a victim, why the evangelicals love him.
Perfectly articulates the problems between right and left politics in the UK. As one of the majority who fit within the 1 std deviation of the middle, nobody speaks for us and I genuinely fear for democracy
I really like Sam Harris, but I'm always amused when he tries to analyze and understand Trump. He just totally does not get it.
I genuinely think he just doesn't have the specific emotional resonance that interprets so much of what Trump says so drastically different than the way a plain listening does.
Trump is the only US President in recent memory not to get re-elected. Clinton, Bush, Obama all did. Also lost the popular vote by 5 million and went out ensuring people he will be a laughing stock for the books. Don't forget getting impeached on his resume! Trump must be thinking about injecting bleach 🤣
No shit, sherlock. Enlighten us how Sam is wrong here and what is being missed.
Notice everyone nay saying is just calling Sam a name and flying away like a pigeon shitting on a chess board, but not offering any real insight which they seem to be protecting.
@@markreadin7124 he won the 2016 election fair and square, and the impeachment was a complete baseless charade orchestrated by the DNC.
@@larkmacallan4257 I live in Japan. I support Trump's scrapping of the TPP which put farmers and small manufacturers at a disadvantage against countries like Indonesia who rely on slave-wages to undercut the Japanese (my father-in-law is a rice farmer). I also support Trump's hard stance against North Korea. Since Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-Un, the early morning air-raid sirens that used to wake me up at 3am stopped. I support Trump's anti-war stance and highly appreciate the fact that he hasn't started a war like his predecessors have.
You still don’t get it
Re-uploading this clip?
What was wrong with the last one?
In the old one Trump won
Haven't we already gotten this video before?
I'm getting some deja vu here
Are we in the matrix? xD
@@RedSquirrelEater he has spent so much time on Trump, I bet he still hasn't figured out why we can't eat babies
@@selecks6462 Hears Twilight Zone music.
@@vshazam I heard (on the interwebs) that the medication Trump took to recover from covid-19 was made with stemcells from babies. Anyone know about this?
He even has it even more wrong now than before, he's saying that they voted for his character FLAWS rather than his character virtues.
He cannot consider that even though he has flaws, his policies might just be better than what the Democrats are proposing. This is to him some sort of deep philosophical mystery that he needs to go to meditation retreats to understand for 5 years.
Sam is just irredeemable, I lost hope trying to convince him.
Absolutely this, with a heaping side dish of good old fashioned low information electorate and bigotry.
I have to assume you're referring to the demokkkrats voter base here. They rely heavily on low information voters.
@@GETX2 It is fairly obvious that there many uninformed Democratic and Republican voters in the United States. There is no need to just focus on one side. This is one of Socrates criticisms of democracy. That is why I think quality public education is a long-term national security issue for the United States. As you probably already know, members of the KKK are now mostly Republicans. Please work on the accuracy of your insults.
@@function0077 It is fairly obvious that the party most interested in exploiting low-information voters is the demokkkrat party. They are, after all, the party interested in securing the vote for anyone over the age of 15. As you probably already know, white supremacists and racists are now mostly demokkkrats. Please work on your understanding of logical fallacies.
@@GETX2 weak retort. please try again.
@@function0077 Futile effort, return to the basement.
In which Sam reads the minds of millions of people rather than just listening to their many substantive reasons.
Substantive my ass.
@@slider292 tax cuts including a doubling of credit per child, removal of Obamacare penalty on those of us that can’t afford health insurance, 4 historic peace deals in the Middle East, no New wars, easing of tensions with North Korea, pulling the US from trade deals that hurt the common worker but line the pockets of major corporations, actually enforcing existing border laws. That’s off the top of my head from a guy that didn’t vote for him in 2016. But what, you have something to say about your ass? Hard to do that with your head so far up it.
@Jay Ess leveraging corporations into bringing factories back to the US is voodoo? The tax cuts also were not trickle down. I’m lower middle class and I had a cut.
@@TheNateWalking Name some companies that have "come back". Go ahead. I will wait. Your tax cut will expire. Did you not pay attention AT ALL?
@@martinzarathustra8604 www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/7-reasons-manufacturers-are-returning-to-the-us 🤷♂️ one minute the argument is “you don’t have substantive reasons.” Then it’s “give me 7 examples!” 😂
What I'm getting from the left is money out of politics, cracking down on tax havens, and access to healthcare. The fact that some chose to only focus on silly college kids (which even in that environment are a minority) is a completely different issue. Maybe if people like Sam actually engaged on the former issues with those on the left we might actually make some progress.
Just a thought.
Agreed! It has become interesting to me that when it comes to foreign, black ideological extremists, Harris quotes MLK's rebuke of moderates, defends torture, and aggressively calls for an "end of faith." Yet when it comes to homegrown, white ideological extremists capturing a major political party and doing far more damage than Osama Bin Laden could ever dream, Harris is providing a platform for their propaganda and advocating tolerance.
@@bradlencioni2850 I invite you to live somewhere under the thumb of Islam and revisit your priorities about which extremists are doing more damage.
@@echt114 How different from Islam do you imagine the U.S. will be when its system of checks and balances along with the Constitution are replaced with a reality TV dictator and white nationalist Christian theocracy?
Furthermore, only one group has actually nearly destroyed the U.S.: the Confederacy. You'll recognize their flag, Trump supporters love to fly it.
@@bradlencioni2850 You're reading me wrong. But that's partially my fault because I only objected to one part of all this. I agree with you about how Trump and the conservacult have pushed the US into crisis and the damage that does to the future. But I'm not going to lie about what fundamentalist Islam has done to hundreds of millions of people and the threat it is to humanity. "Christian theocracy"? That's a ridiculous joke. In the west, that's mostly lip service only. These are now people who will gladly vote for the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy and not think twice about it. Increasingly their religion is being replaced by a political cult.
@@bradlencioni2850 Ironically the Flag they fly is in fact The Flag of the Army of Virginia.
It's not the actual flag of the Confederacy.
Lame
you're lame
Ever think part of his appeal is his ability to cause people on the left to descend into derangement?
Yeah that's what he said.... lool
That's what he said in so many Words. But you were perhaps just echoing his statement?
He's not quite there yet, evidenced by his own continued derangement.
Sam,
You're close but it's not about him forgiving us (his supporters). It's about him having the (what I would call) courage to stand up to the left's sanctimony. Trump's lack of sanctimony is not really unusual for presidents. Nearly every american president has maintained that americans are the best people in the world. Nobody got the feeling that George W. was better than us, for example. That's not the unique thing about trump.
Trump is unique because HE himself won't apologize to the left. HE will stand up to their sanctimony himself and that creates space for other people to stand up to their sanctimony as well... which is a good thing. It's actually more than good... it's necessary. We need people fighting against this absolutely oppressive force of censorship and social control coming from the left.
Sam's take proves that intelligence does not necessarily equate to understanding. Oy Gavalt.
Sam cries out in pain as he strikes you.
I really like a lot of your takes on many different subjects, but in the trumpian realm you really just come off as every other elite. The reason you can’t understand his persuasion is because you believe yourself to be more intelligent than him. The art of the deal and his salesman techniques are, most certainly not ignorant or unplanned. He is no ignoramus. Listening to matt taiibi - he has such a more accurate take on trump because, imo, Matt doesn’t believe himself to be “the smartest person in the room” as you obviously do. For every American that literally owes their job to trump, every American that is now paying less in taxes, etc - the fact that you can’t understand why anyone would vote for a man who might be a total asshole, but who gets things done - things that impact our daily life - the fact that you can’t understand that boggles my mind.
Re-uploaded?
It sure is, I listened to this about a week ago.
Sam. Can you please explain your viewers why you re-uploaded this video?
There where some very interesting discussions going on in the comment section, which are now lost.
I would like to believe there was another reason for the re-upload then the criticism you received there, but I’m honestly beginning to feel unsure about this. Hopefully you can clarify this was not done to censor your own viewers.
I am a Trump supporter. I 100% agree with what Sam just said. Trump is the ultimate repudiation of the political correctness that has gotten so out of hand. And, he makes me laugh too.
Sam should invite Thomas Frank, a historian, political analyst, and author of "Listen Liberal" to shed some light on Trump and trumpism.
Its unfortunate that Sam didn’t just ask Trump voters directly, instead of trying to gain insight into his appeal from ideological similars to himself. Unfortunately, yet again, he had to endlessly reiterate his negative personality traits before finally coming to some half truths of the reasons for his success. He could have just stated.....’Trump’s success is merely the result of the complete and utter failing of the mainstream politics for the past 30 plus years’.....any Trump voter could have told you that. Instead he wanted some complex mirror image, good vs evil, convoluted explanation.
Exactly this.
He literally stated in the video that he talked to Trump voters. And what's wrong with bringing up his personality traits in the context of his popularity among his supporters? It adds a necessary dimension to the conversation, considering that people usually tend to dislike or withdraw their support from those with a laundry list of bad qualities. Your explanation still doesn't go far enough to explain republican support for Trump as he was a continuation of Washington's failure, not a departure. Draining the swamp was obviously bullshit. And he did the same corrupt shit that all politicians do. The guy wasn't a maverick in anything but presentation. He was more of the same.
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I’m fairly certain that the Trump voters Sam referred to are Trump voters within his circle (he himself gave out several names of individuals who he talked to for insight). However you fail to realise that if your circle is not representative of the average circle-as a measure of socio-economic background and inclinations-the reasons why you would vote for a given candidate can be wildly different.
Secondly, personality trait assessment is not a good indicator to gain insight into the reasons why a Trump voter would vote for him or not. But you indirectly alluded to it yourself, voters were clearly not voting for Trump based on his bad personality traits.
You probably (like Sam) believe that his personality traits are largely-compared to previous candidates-negative. But you then made the proposition that negative qualities tend to be disliked by voters (which I agree with). However, despite that fact, almost 50% of voters voted for him. In summary, you can’t be right on both following propositions.....1) personality traits are important to explain voter decision making (in this election), and 2) bad traits tend to perform badly in votes.
Imo you’re clearly wrong on the first and approximately right on the second. Voters voted for Trump despite his personality traits, not for them. Trump clearly capitalised on some much larger and stronger dissatisfaction in voters, and as such, in a video attempting to explain the reasons behind Trump’s success, focussing on his personality traits will never help you understand those much larger prevailing reasons.
Your viewpoint on his personality traits would have been accurate if you had asked the question....why are so many voters not voting for Trump? But that wasn’t the question here.
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On your final point: if you really think that the last four years was somehow « more of the same », it would mean that you probably spent most of that time sleeping under a rock (or sleeping under a rock entirely focussed on a tv playing CNN endlessly).
Actually, to be fair to CNN, they continuously claim that everything changed since Trump.
@@etdebez9522 Ok, in what ways the Trump administration different from a typical republican administration, policy-wise and anti-corruption wise?
Peak TDS. I'm amazed someone as smart as Sam took so long to get this only half right. Twitter is one hell of a drug.
Actually, Sam's error was to give more credit to people than they deserve. I also had real difficulty in believing that there are so many people small and wretched enough to want to hand the helm of leadership to such a creature.
@@WeeWyllie I think you hit the nail on the head there. Sam Harris simply could not believe the people could be so shallow as to hold this man in such esteem. It really is mind-boggling the people love this guy the way they do. But he's right to attribute this passion for the guy as a response to the insanity of the progressive left.
I think there is one last thing to add, for Trump supporters, Trump is "the mean guy on our side".
Jordan Peterson has rarely, directly called people simple, but when he claimed Sam was a very surface level thinker and always missed the deeper portions of the conversation I was skeptical. I've relistened to Sam and it's scary how shallow of a thinker he actually is... You should really consider more complex thought than a simple 'Orange man mean/bad' discussion... But I guess that's too much to expect from Sam.
I'm glad I grew more since I first listened to him. His lectures actually worked on me years ago. What a fool I was to not see through his skin deep assessments.
Well said. I beggers belief that it took Sam so long to figure out Trump's appeal. It should have been obvious from the get go. Even now, I doubt he really gets it.
I am enjoying the chaos in the comments
I'm just here to laugh at Sam's TDS...
@@gordonjohnson2497 TDS is a comfortable word when you don't want to deal with criticism.
@@gordonjohnson2497 if you don't see an obvious conman in Trump then You, Clayton, are part of the problem
@HarleyHilderson 🤣🤣
Thank you, Harley!! That was the highlight of my day
I'm enjoying Sam being a idiot with his feelings overriding all else. Sam doesn't understand family and strangers are different, which is the same confused lack of nuance communist sledge hammer society with.
Sam is someone who can show us how expressive the English language could be
Sam's vocabulary is not expansive or impressive, it's just very clear and precise
You don't have to AGREE with Trump voters to UNDERSTAND why people would vote for him. There are many different factions, and each of them are VERY clear about their motivations.
This theory of yours, "Trump is so bad that he makes his voters feel good by comparison" is frankly the dumbest theory you've ever rolled out. What a cynical, simplistic, and groundless assertion.
I seem to remember you in a debate about Jihadism. It was being posed to you that Jihad in the Middle East is primarily political and not religious.
Your response to this was basically, "When people are willing to kill themselves for their religious convictions... as a rhetorical device, it's convincing. We've got people performing acts of terror and saying outright that their motivations are with Allah, not politics. There's really no reason to be skeptical of their motivations when they are admitting to them, and they are logically consistent within the ideological framework they are promoting." [paraphrased]
Well, the Trump voter is equally forthcoming about their motivations... and the motivations are somewhat diverse... but it's not like they are so diverse as to be enigmatic. There are many very coherent reasons.
1. (I'll start with my own reason for voting Trump) Voting for Trump is a vote against the DNC... who are DEADSET against letting a candidate that Democrats like [Bernie] get through the Primary process.
2. Fake News. We all have spotted the news doing very shady things, and there's only one party that seems to care.
3. Drain the Swamp. Biden, by the end of this term, will be a political pentagenarian. We want some fresh blood in our politics... because we're PROGRESSIVES. Are you REALLY expecting PROGRESSIVE policies to come out of a guy who early in his career opposed desegregation in schools? Biden has been in politics FOREVER defending the status quo... so a lot of PROGRESSIVES went to the Trump side for that reason.
4. Failure of Democrats to keep law and order. Seems that during the largely unwarranted riots, Democrats were feeding the flames and sacrificing our GREATEST CITIES to the BLM/Antifa Gods by defending BLM's bullshit controversies, releasing rioters from jail, refusing to use the National Guard [while claiming Trump is fascist for wanting to], and smearing the police as a RACIST institution and enflaming what could very well mature into a race war.
5. Culture war has been established from many directions by the SJW left. The "war of ideas" is becoming less and less figurative... and it isn't the Right doing it.
6. Lifelong Republicans: Let's face it... not a lot of Republicans are voting Democrat... but a lot of progressives are voting Trump. It's not mysterious why Republicans would vote Trump over Biden... as Biden is not only a Democrat, but he was VP during the Obama administration.
So... my measuring stick for TDS is... this.
A vote for Trump is a vote AGAINST the corrupt DNC, Fake News, Career Politicians, Fake Democrats/Progressives, Race baiting, Anti-cop rhetoric, riot enabling, SJW culture, and Mob Justice over Due Process.
If you JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND why an otherwise progressive person might switch teams for Trump, you have TDS. End of story. You don't have to agree... or weigh your values in the same way... but to not UNDERSTAND despite being told clearly time and time again... suggests delusion.
Hit the nail on the head. That's it exactly.
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Gotta say, I normally don't reread my own comments... but this one I did, and I'm quite proud of it. I don't think there's really any way to misunderstand it...
But of course... that's the measuring stick I proposed for measuring TDS... therefore, I'm quite sure SOMEONE will find a way to not understand.
Reading that was cathartic. You should make youtube content
Amen. I love Sam, but this is by far his cringiest take
The reason I like Trump is he's a big middle finger to all of the things I despise. Like P.C. culture for example.
"MaKiNg SeNeS PoDcAsT"
just joking love you sam!, but please don't turn this channel into "Trump is Still responsible for biden's failures"
But that's exactly how it works. The previous president sets the table for the next. Did you fail highschool civics? How is this new information in 2020? Put your head back in the sand.
Why was this re-uploaded? He posted this a week ago.
Sam, I admire you. I freaked out the first night he was elected. I will give you 3 reasons why I voted for him despite his character flaws, plain and simple:
1- No tolerance for wokeness.
2- Capitalism
3- Law and Order
Again, I can continue; but I think I would trade those for his character flaws any day.
Exactly, it's that the left seams to be completely unreasonable in every basic regards which makes people vote for Trump. Not that hard to understand imo
1. Just sounds like "both tacitly and overly supports racism" 2. Got me there. He is 100% for raw, unchecked capitalism to the complete detriment of humanity. If it wouldn't result in nationwide general strikes I have no doubt he would totally abolish the minimum wage and I'd go so far as to say child labor laws (as long as it was brown kids would be my guess) 3. Steve Bannon, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen. Yes, surely an administration of "Law and Order." But of course what the "Law and Order" dog whistle really means is the same thing as "traditionalist" or "the good ol' days" that is, an intense yearning for the days of Jim Crow and sundown towns and not having to be confronted about your racism. It's difficult for the left to truly understand because the right just won't be honest about it. You all insist on facile euphemisms like "Law and Order" and "Capitalism" and "Tells it like it is"
It's really unfortunate that Sam's views on Islam made so many far right kooks rush to his side. The influx certainly pushed out many of the people who liked his views on secularism and reason and now all that's remaining is "libertarian" Joe Rogan worshipping conspiracy nuts of all people and they stay fans as long as he doesn't criticize the Dear Leader.
The problem is, a mind so unruly, so lacking of empathy, so preoccupied with its own interests and image, so uncaring for even superficial truths, is unlikely to deliver the order, the tolerance, the structure, the discipline needed for actually delivering any of those.
@@kalin5161 people say he lacks empathy. Yet he was the first president in ages to not start a new war. Made a big step towards peace in the middle east and on the Korean peninsula.
@@ShawnBiddle you write a lot but still didn't make any real arguments. I understand you rather live in a bubble where every opinion mirrors your own. All you show is how intolerant you are towards other opinions and you very much project perfectly why people reject the left so much that they'd even vote for a guy like Trump instead of you.
this comment section is like a festering hive of conjecture, assumptions and misunderstanding
@Christian Vera he sure made many enemies -not impressive ones... but many.
@Christian Vera Was Christopher Hitchens far right because he was a staunch critic of the Clintons?
I admire Sam Harris for a long time and I love Donald Trump.
That said, I don't need medical treatment. I feel very healthy. No problem here.
Biden certainly needs it
Because you're a conservative and Trump is the Republican nominee, that's why. The real question is why he's the nominee.
Nice of Sam here to take my mental ball-of-confusion that is DJT and run it through the Occams Razor machine. Elucidated beautifully I might add.