“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.” ― Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
I send my warm condolences to Lisa for her family members and everything else she has lost in the past two years. It's remarkable of her to speak publicly with you Jon whilst in the midst of her grief. For me, this conversation was very special precisely because of Lisa's willingness to show herself in this time. Too many contemporary Jungians are far too glib and unrelated when they speak on depression, and seem to completely forget that, as Jung himself said, it is "‘single individuals who are suffering and seeking, and who try to take my ideas seriously in their own lives" who will genuinely carry on his work i.e. we don't come to Jung out of intellectual curiosity, but as a means of survival. And as you touched on in your conversation, the wounded healer heals because they have both the courage and the competence/love to guide someone else through their own suffering experience. Thank you both for your honesty. This kind of apprenticeship is still really needed.
“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.”
― Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
I send my warm condolences to Lisa for her family members and everything else she has lost in the past two years. It's remarkable of her to speak publicly with you Jon whilst in the midst of her grief. For me, this conversation was very special precisely because of Lisa's willingness to show herself in this time. Too many contemporary Jungians are far too glib and unrelated when they speak on depression, and seem to completely forget that, as Jung himself said, it is "‘single individuals who are suffering and seeking, and who try to take my ideas seriously in their own lives" who will genuinely carry on his work i.e. we don't come to Jung out of intellectual curiosity, but as a means of survival. And as you touched on in your conversation, the wounded healer heals because they have both the courage and the competence/love to guide someone else through their own suffering experience. Thank you both for your honesty. This kind of apprenticeship is still really needed.