The Boys: Black Noir Should Have Stayed Dead
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Black Noir died at the end of the Boys Season 3, and was replaced in Season 4 by a new character taking the same moniker... played by the same actor, Nathan Mitchell. But how does this new Noir fare? Should the character have stayed dead?
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Isnt the entire point of Black Noir 2 is to keep the facade of the Seven?
Like its pretty much the same for Translucent, they were pretending like he was on mission until they finally decided to say he was dead. They wanted to keep the appearance of an unstoppable and connected group to the public.
Honestly one of the biggest mistakes was Black noir dying like that in my opinion
I rather him be his own person than a clone of homelander just because the comics did it and really serves no purpose unless they were gonna do the comics poker for plot which they clearly aren’t doing
Idk kinda was an amazing moment for homelander. I understand tho, i do find black noir in S4 really funny
Agreed. They ruined the noir by replacing him with an off brand Deadpool 😂🤦🏾♂️
Facts
He should’ve had his last battle with soldier boy by taking him out the window instead of maeve
I kinda like how they brought in an actor to play Black Noir this season that couldn’t shut up. That was funny and a good gag. I think they kinda lost steam with the character later in the season. The murder boner is weird.
Bro. It's the same actor bro
@@n.sanity2049so why did they cast that dark skin guy for that flashback episode?
@@tmac731 So he could stay, the "main" actor of noir
@tmac731 Huh? Because that was him in in the past, BEFORE braindamge. It's always been Nathan Mitchell, I don't get what's so confusing about this
@@n.sanity2049 you didn’t get what I was trying to say. The flash back Nior should’ve had the real actor not the random guy we got. I know it’s a different Nior but this whole situation is weird
black noir being edgars terminator was so cool, i really hoped he would come back somehow, but it seems so hopelessly unlikely
Hopefully Edgar’s escape from prison brings him to revive black Noir and pump up with v, kills off the new noir
I wish we saw Noir facing Soilder Boy again.
We could probably get close with Soldier Boy having an encounter with the new Noir next season.
Wouldn't make any sense, the new Noir doesn't have any connection to Soldier Boy
@BullseyeBobE I would like to see that interaction mainly for how Soldier Boy would react to the new Noir. Of course the new Noir wouldn't have a personal connection to Soldier Boy, but I bet that the new Noir at least knows who Soldier Boy was due to him being famous.
@@BullseyeBobE Soldier Boy doesn't know that. LOL
So he could get his ass beat again? lol
I remember when the trailers for this season dropped and most people thought Sam would be wearing the BN suit. But now Sam is just running around doing behind the scenes missions for Vought, killing and kidnapping with no hesitation…… which is exactly what BN used to do….
That probably would've been better in terms of story compared to the Noir we have in Season 4.
@@jabradococonutfrosting9513 if a bit predictable
@@jabradococonutfrosting9513 not really imo, Noir 1 was all about stealth and had that training/expertise, Sam is basically like the Hulk and isn't very stealthy. The new guy isn't either but it's funny how he tried to figure out how Noir 1 worked.
@@triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771hey he got the nurdwe boner thing down at least in the finale
@@triplek-dysongamingwithdan7771 I respect your opinion. And yeah, the new Noir was hilarious!
He did.
Yeah lol
I think its pretty clear the show is making the new noir into the old noir. With the Deep pushing his darker side I think it's pretty likely they go much further with this in season 5 maybe even giving him brain damage from Soldier Boy again or something to a similar effect. I mean the guy has similar aspirations of being an actor - might even be possible he is some kind of resurrection/clone Noir
I think the current Black Noir is fine. The thing is, The Boys Season 4 had a LOT of plot lines to work through, and The Seven needed more members (I mean, there wasn't even seven of them at any point in S4). Having a replacement Noir makes the most sense, as most of the context for him can easily be displayed by him being a direction contradiction to the original, plus it provides a few gags of a type they've not yet had.
I think it was a good use or cinematic shorthand, as the only alternative would've been a completely new Supe, brand and all, that likely would have fit in the same role, but needed more explanation, in a season where they are already juggling a lot of balls. You say they needed to justify the character, but I would argue that a different character would require MORE justification. With this, they have all the same issues, but with more benefits.
There's almost never been 7 people on the 7
Pre s1: Homelander, Maeve, Black Noir, The Deep, Translucent, Lamplighter and some random other speedster
S1: Homelander, Maeve, Noir, A-Train, The Deep, translucent, and starlight replacing lamplighter.
Translucuent isnt replaced until stormfront, so after season three they never add up to 7 again
@@Josh-oj9mm True, but it was never as glaring as it was at the beginning of S4
@@Josh-oj9mmhis name is mr. marathon smh
The current noir is corny, there's nothing interesting about him
@BBC_KIKG I don't think there was GOING to be though, they don't need another entirely new character taking up time for development.
They turned TV Black Noir into the joke that the comic book version of The Deep was. He's just some random guy they stuck in a costume because they think he looks the part. Both are essentially a running sight gag. Both characters even use the "Did you know I can fly?" line as a joke.
You do realize they’re two different characters right?
@@abdulmuminabdulmumin4732 you do realize so were Edgar and James stillwell right?
@@abdulmuminabdulmumin4732 Yes. That's why I literally describe them being different characters.
@@GreyKnight7777 No, as in the Noir that died at the end of S3 and the Noir in S4 are different people.
@@abdulmuminabdulmumin4732he’s describing the S4 Black Noir.
BN was great in this season and keeping him around in-universe makes sense.
@Full Fat Videos . Noir is dead, they don’t pretend he is noir. He is simply using his title so they don’t know he’s dead and make the Seven look weak.
This in no way ruins noirs legacy
There are so many problems with this season and the “new” noir isn’t one of them.
What problems for example
A lot of people didn't like Frenchie's plot with Colin or Kimiko's plot with Shining Light, and some people even had problems with Butcher constantly going back and forth on how to handle Ryan. There are also people mad with how Starlight reacted to finding out Hughie had sex with the shape shifter.
Personally I'm just too in love with this show to see its flaws. I like learning about Frenchie and Kimiko's past, I liked seeing Frenchie be gay since it was "teased" in season 2, and I found Butcher's internal struggle to be enticing. I also feel like Starlight's reaction, while totally unfair to Hughie, makes sense given her entire arc this season was about her insecurities.
Oh one more problem, and this one is the only one that really bugs me, is when Deep kills his octopus lover. Earlier in the exact same episode he's cuddling and reading a book to her and later she proceeds to die from being out of the water in what is shot like a few minutes. They should have just done some better editing so we know the octopus died over a long period of time, not near instantly.
@@Nephentine Agreed. Especially on the Octopus part.
@heinshaaine8153 I think the main problem with his season was the lack of plot progression in the 5 - 6 episodes. The characters basically have the same struggles they've always had (Frenchie & Kamiko are dealing with their troubled past, MM needs to balance his work with the boys with his family life, Butcher needs to decide how far ges willing to go etc.) or don't do much at all like Starlight. In addition some of the new story beats like Hughie reconciling with his mom and his fight with Starlight over sleeping with the shape-shifter are kinda rushed, which makes them feel as irrelevant inclusion. Lastly, I'd say that the shock of the gratuitous sex scenes and violence has worn of a bit, which makes those scenes a lot less impactful than in previous seasons (save for some e.g. when Homelander goes back to the lab he was raised in).
I think the story does pick up in the last few episodes, which makes me excited for season 5, but perhaps they could've worked both seasons into one slightly extended final season to keep up the pace.
@@heinshaaine8153 everyone’s sub plot being things from the past that was never hinted at or talked about suddenly being problems then immediately being shafted and ignored halfway through the season. Consequences for actions made by other characters being non existent.
Guess the public or cops don’t care about a man killing others in a hospital.
We don’t see the aftermath of that either. Everything about tek knight this season
I didn't like how unceremonious his death was. But what they've done with him this seaosn is fine. In fact, the new "actor" guy is hilarious
Still have a feeling something horrible is gonna happen to the new Noir.
Cause Soldier Boy for sure is gonna clock it isn't the same guy
Homelander literally told him that he killed noir. I think he might live through season 5
But he's not Black Noir tho, It's made pretty clear that no one in the Seven considers him Noir and Homelander just hates him.
The guy is simply wearing a costume to keep the Seven from loosing more members to the public eye yet he's always portrayed as a completely different character everytime he's on screen
I really liked the nice little arc of the new Noir learning to embrace his power. "Murder boner" lmfao
It's more him and the deep getting notably darker - obviously the Deep is more clear with killing the octopus, saying he didn't care about what he did to Annie, and his talk with Noir about hurting people getting you respect
I do not believe the first Noir is actually dead. It makes no sense to set up a bitter rivalry with soilder boy and not give it closure!
Imma save u 10 minutes : He IS dead
I had no issue with it, I think it's because I see him as a whole new character rather than a continuation of Black Noir. He's a fun character who's got great chemistry with the Deep, and I don't think his existence really impacts upon the legacy of the original Black Noir beyond showing the Vought is corrupt enough to replace him
I actually enjoyed Black Noir this season. Felt like a fitting character to the vibe of the show. I can see how people wouldnt enjoy it though
Fit the vibe?
Black Noir had an unexpected but somehow fitting end. I get why they recast Noir, the 7 keep dying, and black noir is one of the most competent supes with decades of service. It wouldn't make sense or do right for the marketing to write him off as a traitor or say he transferred or try to cover up his death.
Noir should have joined the homelander fight at the end of season 3 and actually got a rematch with solider boy. The fight plays out like it did in the show except instead of Maeve tackling solider boy out the window it’s noir and unlike Maeve the explosion kills him.
Would have been actually fitting tbh
killing him was the worst thing they did in the show
Fr. They need to bring back the old noir somehow
He’s a twisted mirror of black panther. Boseman died and instead of letting black panther die with him, they just replaced him with a cheap super knock off in Shuri. I know it’s not exactly the same, but to me it seems like the rough mirroring was the intention.
Really? I just see him as Deadpool
@@mrkimitsu not Snake Eyes from GI-Joe? smh
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Starlight never knew the original Black Noir died & as far as she knows this guy who can talk & fly is the same Black Noir she's known since she joined The 7.
Its obvious why we got a actor noir cause how w0uld they explain noir died i dont get how you don't see that this noir is just so they dont have to explain why noir is missing in verse since homelander killed him 😭😭
Big fan of the new noir
I think this video is basically the recent trend of, "I originally thought [violent murderous superhero in The Boys] was fun and now they're making them look like a violent psycho for doing the same thing."
Also, it does feel a bit like the Black Panther recasting commentary is echoing with the writers and they're on the side of "Just write your way out of it, the actor's gone and you can just write new characters."
I didn’t find the original black noir that interesting. The new one was at least funny and he had a mini arc of him becoming the villain he needed to be
That’s the problem they gave them nothing to make him interesting beside one episode while the new noir has gotten more screen time than old noir did all together
I have to disagree with him being uninteresting, they just tact on his backstory WAAY to late into his character. If they would've instead dedicated more segments to him, we could have seen him become a more developed, and possibly even redeemed, character!
Vought would have just stuck someone else in the suit. It makes too much sense in-universe to go any other way.
It does make sense in universe but I just feel like it could come to more than what it currently is
With the numerous and outright disappointing problems in season 4 of The Boys, Black Noir being ruined in any way isn't something I'd hold very high.
I like Black Noir in S4, that said the original should've died by the hands of Soldier Boy, that was where the arc was headed.
It's interesting seeing so many people misinterpret the whole point and purpose of the commentary in The Boys.
This recent season wasn't even that bad, the right were review bombing it and moaning about how it's making their reality of politics look bad and the left simply can't take a joke when they see one.
Yes there some weak points like Frenchie's arc but it's the same show as season 3, 2 and 1. The politics are just heightened because we're all polarised and entrenched in our own biases and beliefs.
the earlier seasons didn't have multiple "male rape is le funny" scenes
@@Josh-oj9mm I will admit that was one of the low points to the recent series. Even I found those scenes weird.
But it's the culture and society we cultivate. We are starting to see a shift in behaviour and attitudes to this but we're a long way off from equality in this regard.
Think about how many shows reference r*pe in prisons. I don't find it funny but it's referenced in pretty much anything I've watched.
@@ChrisKeziahHydeI don't think it's very hard to just not be a shitty person, it's pretty obvious this was a bad thing that Kripke pushed cause he found it hilarious. But why did no one say - uh I don't think this works and what is it meant to make people feel?
@@cohenparsons947 I get what you mean, Eric thought including those scenes would be a good idea and specifically had one of the weakest, most emasculated characters in that scene. So it felt worse as not only was the character powerless but it was clearly a jab at those kinds of men.
But I think as a society we are beginning to change our attitudes towards showing that kind of treatment of people and playing it for laughs. It's not funny and never was.
But in American culture especially the treatment of male r*pe is seen as funny (i.e prison showers) and I think it's up to the younger generations to turn the tide on that part of culture and call it out for what it is.
But my main point is that regardless of that scene the show hasn't completely changed and I think the polarisation of political views makes it harder for people to understand and laugh at satire.
@@ChrisKeziahHyde I don't pay attention to politics and honestly nothing they did or said was that crazy really, they showed that there's two types of people on the whole with more traditional and more progressive values... That's it really
seeing as how butcher gets as close as possible to his comic book self, they're probably going to make him as close to his comic book version as possible, I doubt Vought picked some clown like the Deep who would probably get killed by the Boys with no V or Temp V or Kimiko or whatever. He'll probably end up powerful and demented by the end of season 5.
I like the new black nior
Please bring back the old noir 🙏🏾
I get the points but I disagree because I feel that one of the most obvious points the show makes is that he's not the original noir and hes almost a normal person but that's what makes it interesting throughout the whole season especially with the one scene in episode 6 where he doesn't wanna be noir anymore because he's not like the original noir but deep convincing him to stay and see the benefits of staying and being in the seven is really interesting. We all miss and like the old noir but that doesn't mean theres nothing to like or find interesting about the new one and his mentality.
I’m so glad you’re covering The Boys again. I’ve been waiting for this!
I think they were planning on having actor noir in season 4 back when they were doing s3 which is why they probably had a different actor for young noir, actor noir could still be played by Nathan Mitchell and even have some unmasked scenes.
Also I don't think this new noir is really supposed to be a real new character, the vought gang is getting less and less competent and more unreliable caused by homelander's terrible decisionmaking. It feels like a good in universe explanation for vought not wanting to introduce another new supe or leaving the spot empty, that team also needs some muscle with Sage and Firecracker being more manipulators and A-Train leaving.
I do agree that Noir's arc was shut down but at the end of the day, he's unfortunately a side character that serves Homelander's story
I like this noir, plays off the deep really well even though it was short. Having the original doing his silent thing is funny for a quick laugh but not long term. I good fight would be the one thing I would add but him dying works for me. now there is someone the deep can manipulate and have as a “friend”.
The problem with the Boys is that it’s becoming the thing it’s meant to be satirising & taking the piss out of, and it doesn’t help that the showrunner is saying bizarre things like Superman being a white supremacist character or whatever, clearly showing his lack of understanding of the character.
The next season is gonna be last, so I guess it’ll die a hero & not live long enough to see itself become the villain.
And that Batman is a fascist.
What do you think The Boys is satirizing? Gritty superheroes?
The Boys is satirizing superheroes as a product. It takes the politics of celebrity culture and capitalism and imposes it on a landscape of, what are in comics usually, unaccountable violent vigilantes or agents of the government and then asks why people think this would be a good thing.
So when he says Superman in practice is a white supremacist execution, he's not saying Superman himself is white supremacist or was created to reflect white supremacy. He's saying the idolization of Superman's civility politics, American-ness, economic security, white image, Midwest rural background, and unchallenged might is given an outsized moral weight and reflects the desire for an unquestioned patriarchal force in service of The American Way, which is all thematically white supremacist in function.
Batman isn't an actual fascist. But Batman's wealth in service of attacking criminals through violence is fascist in execution.
The Boys is doing a good job of making people who love the thing it hates tear their hair out by never letting them think it loves the things it hates. It wants you to learn not to trust the thing you love because it doesn't trust the things you love.
It's a show about how problematic superheroes are as a concept and it wants to make you uncomfortable with the ease with which we let narratives of justice and law enforcement lead us into fascist world views.
The panic now is just people seeing the payoff and realizing it's targeted at them.
@@MrBazBakeThis take just seems bizarre to me. Superman was created by two Jews, his average enemies were domestic abusers, racists, and greedy business men.
Ignoring all of that background to say "Superman is representative of white supremacy because he's white and believes in the *ideals* America was founded on." is really short sighted.
The character was based on Moses, and was a refugee who found refuge on Earth. He has many parallels with immigrants.
It's just really superficial to ignore all of that and say the character is representative of white supremacy.
5:28, I get why they would have a new supe impersonate Irving, wanting to cover up his death to not attract suspicion with yet another Seven member being killed if they could afford it, unlike Maeve, who's "death" was more public and who couldn't be "recast" as easily as Irving, as his suit concealed his entire body.
Still, it's unfortunate then that Noir 2 wasn't given much to do other than being comic relief, though there are some dramatic elements that could arise if he were to be exposed after his crimes without his mask to shield him, which would perhaps force him to grapple with the fact that his "role" has gone too far and is taking over his entire identity, or even that he himself has no identity to begin with beyond these roles he obsesses over portraying.
Let's be honest though, Vought *not* just replacing him with a random actor off the street would challenge suspension of disbelief in the series.
I like the idea of the new noir, but he should have been afraid to kill anyone all season, could have been a good plot in the finale if he was forced to kill people on the list for fear of his life
my theory going into season 4 was that Sam from Gen V would replace him
I mean technically he didn’t get replaced haha same guy who played noir before still plays him. Im honestly glad they wrote it so dude could actually show his face and have some lines. Wouldn’t be fair for him to go through this entire show without a single line or showing his face. Hell i didn’t even know he was still played by the same dude till i looked it up. He deserves some recognition
I wish they could’ve had some sort of justice for his character when it came to soldier boy. But when you think about it, that’s how this show operates - it literally will do what it wants with no apologies
they could easily bring him back, being a supe and all with regenerative abilities. they could just say vought did something like gave him a new heart and his regeneration abilities did the rest and hes just been in a tube like soldier boy.
tbh with the bits he lost, they could kinda just cram jt back in and sew it shut, and it'd fix itself
at least im pretty sure intestines fix themselves
Say whatever you will, I love how whenever he won't shut up, Old Homie always tells him to shut tf up. It's a great gag.
Soldier Boy was awesome, the best thing about Season 3.
And 4 came out neither fish nor meat.
I watched the last episode. Well, the final is the only good thing that happened in the season.
There is a hollowness to this new Noir from a character standpoint, I'll definitely say that
The Boys has a bad habit of characters dying/being retired somewhat unceremoniously. Stormfront, OG Noir, Maeve, Tek, Newman. The Boys almost never ceases to disappoint in that regard.
Tbh, the Black Noir recast was one of my favourite parts of the season, it is a perfect demonstration of corporate capitalism and mirrors all the MCU recasts and replacements. In universe it makes sense, Black Noir is a popular IP and there's no way they're going to let it just go away, not when there are so many Supes to stick in the suit and act like nothing's changed.
I actually like both Black Noir’s for different reasons obviously but I don’t necessarily miss the old one.
I get what you’re saying and I agree with a lot, but I also think this Noir also goes so well with the Deep and actually elevates Deeps character in terms of on screen entertainment, if you get what I mean?
I thought the Noir death scene was brilliant. Sad, but brilliant. The juxtaposition of the innocent cartoon characters with Noir's visible persona as the ruthless, faceless combat monster was fantastic IMO, and the way Buster Beaver retreats and slowly fades... New Noir pokes fun at the way superheroes never really die, they just respawn somehow. Noir not getting closure with Soldier Boy just adds to the tragedy of his character, and it's also a major theme of The Boys that things don't happen the way they "should," particularly in a superhero universe.
I'm kinda expecting a scene in S5 where Soldier Boy goes after Noir, and Noir is all, "Bro! What's your problem?!" [Flies to try to get away]. Soldier Boy has a WTF Moment and resolves to never ever get put down again because weird shit always happens while he's out.
I think the actor replacing noir thing could've worked if it was done for the public and not just making him a permanent replacement
It kinda makes sense for the replacement can fly, could be a little reference to comic noir being a Homelander clone because of the flying bit.
Yeah exactly!
they should have delved into the corporatism around why hes back and what motivation the black noir actor has to actually do this, does homelander actually want a black noir on the seven? was there a reason he couldnt say no to vought bringing him on? did he just not care. did he try to argue. there was a lot more that they could have gone into and done. like what if homelander had found out the reason the og black noir hated his dad and decided to give this new guy brain damage with the hope it would get the same result
He was my fave char
Still not over how he went out
It was bitterly sad
These kind of turning into the year of full seasons
Maybe if they gave him a small arc he would’ve been better just like they gave the deep this weird octopus lover arc
I’m actually okay with the new noir really does fit the Vought agenda but the murder boner was kinda strange
Was in the process of catching upon the show so i didn't even know he died, but having a video titled with spoilers just in my sub box is crazy.
It was 2 years ago dude, I’m sorry
@@FullFatVideos Ah no worries, I get it and i know that's on me for not picking it back up soon enough. Was just joking about my shock after dodging spoilers for years 😅
It was really underwhelming when they killed og noir, such a waste of a cool character
"Somehow Black Noir returned"
Considering the new noirs “reaction” to murder in the finale, I had a joke theory that noir is actually the suit and turns whoever’s wearing it into noir every time. Like Anubis from Jojo. Obviously not what’s happening but I thought it was funny
I loved the new Noir this season! He has some of the funniest scenes and we get to see the actor who was playing him most of the time anyway.
I really loved how his only weakness was having a tree nut allergy lmao.
I mean a return of the OG black noir in S5 would have me creaming my pants
They could still do the clone thing from the comics. The show is great at portraying being delusional from an outside perspective. All of this is to say, what if there were 2 homelanders and the joke was on us the viewers? Idk how they'd pull it off, but it would be a great twist seeing as its comic-accurate, and presumably out of nowher.
We should've got noir vs. soldier boy before he passed away
I like the video and in depth chat about Noir but I don’t think his return as a new Noir undermines the original at all. It serves its purpose imo.
Tbh I think the New Noir fits the change Vought is going through, Black Noir is the reign of Edgar Stan and Homelander killing him is the deathknell of an era. New Noir is a funny gag pale imitation of the disgustingly incompetent Homelander era.
Sam Riordan from Gen V would have been the better choice as Black Noir. Sure, he's shorter than the OG Black Noir by 4 inches, but he can follow orders properly since the Gen V season 1 finale, which is thanks to Cate Lupal.
I think the new noir could’ve worked better if the focused on him from homelander’s perspective more. Show how he feels this noir is a cheap imitation of the only person he used to trust and how the new noir is a constant reminder of the original noir’s betrayal.
I miss the old Black Noir big time
I don't even know wtf this video was about outside "new noir bad cause it's not old noir".
Nah I listed a bunch of reasons
@@FullFatVideos Within the 3 minutes of the video you talk about the new noir you mention:
Him being 1 dimensional, which is a good criticism.
Him getting used to killing too fast, which while sadly not shown on screen, happens in the span of almost half a year which is enough time to get him comfy with it, seeing he didn't object to the 3 chuds murder at the start until after he killed the guy.
You focus on the name black noir being important enough to warrant not being continued, which doesn't make sense since they aren't the same person and the show isn't acting like he's a replacment for the audience, but only for the people in the universe.
You say the only intresting thing is he can fly, and that he isn't intimidating anymore, like yeah, he isn't the same person, and he's not meant to be a replacement.
You say he shouldn't be there because there's already so many characters, but then by episode 7 there'd literally be 3 members in the 7, which doesn't really matter, but it doesn't make sense in the universe why vought wouldnt replace an easily replacable hero to make sure the team doesn't fall apart even more than it already had after seoson 3.
that's the only criticisms i found after rewatching the vid, you're way too attatched to the name and legacy for some strange reason.
You lost the last cake and ate it, this a new cake that's not been eaten, not the old one over again.
@@something1122tf are you yapping about?
I miss the old Noir
The silent role Noir
The shadow mold Noir
The deadly goal Noir
I hate the new Noir
The just-a-suit Noir
I want the old Noir, the lethal brute Noir
The Seven’s cold Noir
I miss the dark Noir.
The stealthy stark Noir
I gotta say, at the time he brought so much fear
See, he was the true deal, lurking far and near
But now I look around, and there’s a new one here
I used to fear Noir
I used to cheer Noir
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the finale with Charlie on the pod. Will you do a overall season review? Would be down to watch that
Honesty it wouldve made sense for the original Noir to save everyone from Soldier Boy. I get why Maeve did it and it made sense for his character, but it would've made more sense for Noir.
I honestly think the 4th season is much better than the 3rd and maybe even better than the 2nd. It had much more direction and conflict and felt a lot less stale in comparison with the previous one especially.
i actually like the new noir a lot, his dynamic with the deep is funny as hell to me
They should have gotten a stand in like they have and secretly be experimenting on the original black noir. Giving him the powers of Homelander. this would allow you to have black noir to be closer to the comics in strength. You could say his healing factor keeps him alive, but it takes months or years to heal up fully.
Imagine he comes back and tells Homelander the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
I just love the character from the first three seasons . And I want him back.🥲
I really thought his death was going to be a cope out and he would return or may return in the finale of the show to pay homage to the comic ending someway
No, he should've been like in the comics and not some excuse to paint soldier boy as more racist. I swear every supe in the show if they are a bad guy can't go 5 seconds without being an extremely perverted or fucked up person. Even worse they only tried to make two of the seven be redeemable and we all know why it was specifically those two.
Counterpoint, it's not the same character, I'm so confused what the problem is givin it's very obvious
Black Noir= Terrance Howard/Don Cheadle.
He did? Why the fuck wouldnt they recast him? Hes masked. This is a stupid fucking take 😂😂😂
They don’t pretend he’s noir and there two different characters mate
He is dead, the shame is not the recast (it is actually cool because they couldn't do that to any other main character), is that they killed him.
I mean black noir did stay dead. This is just a different guy. It's not like it's a clone either, it's just a different character.
I thought it was the POINT that black noir died without completing his arch.
The boys is based off real life and be disappointed.
True they only made his character really interesting before killing him. Plus they missed the comedy ball by not leaning into the new nior being more of a confused actor trying to fit in/ being scared for his life.
The 'i never liked killing before, but I'm now a cold murderer of randoms without thought' seems like lazy writing.
Soooo are they trying to get their own version of Deadpool now?
2:51 couldn't agree with you more Erwin) I wish, man, i wish)
If we're being perfectly honest the writing this season has been abysmal.
Tbh it feels more like an intentional move that this new black noir is worse than the last
Maaaaat the spoilers 🥲🥲🥲
New noir been in the season since the first episode, but I understand your frustration, considering not everyone seen season 4 at all yet
@@empathetic4100 that’s fair, but I appreciate the empathy. I’m one of those that hasn’t seen any of S4 yet, and didn’t expect plot points to be right in the title of one of my fave RUclipsrs 🥲
Why haven’t you seen season 4 yet? The season is over
@@tmac731 I work an extremely long hours job, have other stuff I’m catching up on at the same time etc. this is next on my list. Is that okay?
@@R1v0rian get your money up bro. If you haven’t seen xmen 97 watch that too
Nah. New Noir is hilarious and old Noir has a very shallow character who they did everything they could with in season 3.
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