Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0 - Magazine Issue
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Here's a quick video showing how difficult it is to load the magazines on the Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0
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I traded my lcp max in for this S&W bodyguard 2.0 and couldn't be happier. Took it to the range as soon as i got it. Yes, the mags are a pain to load the last 2 rounds. But what ive found especially with these smaller .380 mags is if you leave them loaded for awhile it tends to help. And of course with use it helps too. Definitely gotta have a mag loader ready for that last round in the new mag. But other than that i have zero issues out of the 2.0. Hands down better in every aspect than the lcp max i had and doesn't sound like a maraca when you shake it
@@MuricaPatriot1776 that’s great news. I’m sure the magazines will break in over time.
Any issues feeding the fiocchi brand mine won't go fully into battery
That's it, I'm subscribed. THIS is the kinda stuff I wanna see when these new wonder guns get released and everyone is raving about how amazing they are...I appreciate the measured dose of reality here.
@@nvomund thanks for subscribing. It is extremely frustrating watching guns get released. Never an issue somehow.
AM, your videos are really helpful to let new gun buyers know what almost no other RUclips channel cover. Thanks!
Thanks! That’s the goal. Tons of information that new owners haven’t experienced.
Great detail. Impossible mags leads to impossible recoil spring effort to try to overcome “jammed” magazines. Got one ordered. Can’t wait to transform it to an easy rack.
Will the spring break in with 10 in the 12 round?? I can load the 10 rounder by hand but the 12 won’t take more than 10 atm will it loosen if I leave it like that and take the last 2?
Finally got a 2.0. It was clever of Smith to make the mag coils smaller at the top so they mesh inside the larger coils at the bottom when fully loaded. I can get 12 rds in the mag with a maglula. Could try to get replacement springs as yours are not performing as intended.
I loaded 11 in the mag and then used a spacer (an old square nut on its edge) as the 12th round and then put the mag/nut into my vice and cranked it down until the vice jaw barely contacted the top of the mag. I used a small piece of duct tape the help hold the nut in place. I let it sit overnight and I could BARELY get the 12 round in the next day. I have the 12 round mag loaded and in the pistol now. Hopefully time will make it easier to load.
If I had seen your video earlier, my fingers wouldn't be so painful😂
Those magazines are crazy stiff. My fingers hurt too haha
Good informative video. I had the same problem.
Thanks for watching!
Just picked this gun up yesterday. Went to the range and experienced this problem right away. Not even trying to load more than 10 in the 12 round magazine any more. Almost wish they supplied 2 10 round magazines instead of a 10 and a 12 round.
any issues with the 10 round mag?
@@USArmy91222 No. and after a couple weeks of leaving the 12 round fully loaded, that problem has gotten much better. Feeds every time and easier to load. I think the spring just need to break in a bit.
I have to admit that these Mags are tough to feed the first time, until you use this gun a few times. Also this slide is, for Me, Very hard to Rack. I did purchase a "UpLULA" Loading tool and I was able to load both Mags to the limit with no problems. So far, I have been to my LGR 2 Times and I have had no problems at all with this gun! I shoot every week at My LGR hear in Sunny Florida and I don't anticipate having any problems with this Gun in the Future. It has now become my EDC!
It’s a sweet pistol. Ive been carrying it recently.
Bro, thank you so much for this video. I fought my 2.0 12 round mag on the 12th round so long. Fingers are wrecked. This trick worked. Ur the Man 👊🏼
Man, I thought I needed to hit the gym after trying to load those magazines lol. They are rough.
I'll wait maybe 3 years to buy one of these. I had enough with the CSX.
For those of you who have the Bodyguard 2.0 and having an issue with the 12 round mag, the follower is the issue. It is getting snagged by the metal frame of the mag. There is a tiny piece at the bottom of the follower you'll have to cut and you'll not have an issue. There is a youtube video explaining this issue.
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll look into it sometime.
All of these high capacity little guns have problems when new with regard to mags and loading. Load the mags and leave them loaded for a couple days. Problem solved. The shield plus was the same way
That’s the plan. Sitting in the box loaded up now.
Did you watch the video? Thats exactly what he said he was going to do
@@CaptainRon1913Really? No need to be such a prick dude. Geez when did fairy democrats start watching gun videos?🙄
@@CaptainRon1913 Really bro? No need to get ugly. That was uncalled for.
I've been doing that... problem 'not' solved as of yet... still can't the 12'th round in.
My Smith M&P 2.0 9MM mags were tough to stuff when new, but got easier w/each range visit. It’s not surprising their new .380 exhibits the same issue and should improve w/use.
They all break in eventually. The .380 was a bit ridiculous. I still don’t load them full.
I just bought my gun yesterday. Got 11 rounds and that is it so I thought my hands had become weak. I hope the gun shoots the way it should . I did sell my LCP max to get this gun.
@@KeithJones-u9d haha. I had to question my man hood too. Super stiff out of the box.
When these small guns are new, I always download the mags for awhile. In time, they will loosen up, and that will determine how many I attempt to load in.
Facts. The magazines are slowly breaking in. It’s a great shooter.
Be thankful for good mag springs ! Once broken in all is good !
Once the springs break in it should resolve the issue. Sweet little gun.
Another update... contacted S&W again, told the rep the 12-round mag they sent me is no better than the 12-round mag that came with my 2.0 (it will absolutely NOT take 12 rounds)
The rep put me on hold, came back stating the manager just got a bunch of 12-rounder mags in that were tested to hold the full 12-rounds. So... another 12-round mag is on its way... finger crossed!
But, thus far I am absolutely impressed with S&W's customer service A+
I need to give them a call.
Man, this is the 2nd gun in a little over a week that you've prevented me from buying. 1st the fuse, now this one. Thank You
Hahaha. These aren’t reviews. Just an unfiltered look at what the guns do out of the box.
You're following the wrong guy...
@@Eric-tp4de who should we go follow?
@@Eric-tp4de What do you mean by "following" and please elaborate more on your meaning, further, state who you believe one should follow. Don't roll up in here like a snowflake spouting nonsense without context. Grow a pair and speak son. This is a safe space, no one will hurt you. BTW, I like the piece you put together 6 years ago. ruclips.net/video/yQy-vmcfiDY/видео.html
No fr thank you all I have seen is great things and was disappointed I missed out but always hesitant of a brand new model ! I’m glad to hear there’s a reason why I didn’t need to spend the money 😂
Those magazines are tough to get the last few rounds in, thankfully the Uplula loader works on 380.👍 I think they will loosen up with time and use though.
They have become a bit easier. I still wouldn’t load them 12 + 1 or 10 + 1 and rely on the pistol.
I have a new M&P 2.0 with the short barrel. The mags hold 15 and they are a bear to load. They do fall free. They are the hardest mags I have ever had to load. I use a loader on mine.
Those should break in pretty quick.
Thanks for the videos keep them coming fine sir!
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
The OEM 12 round that i got WITH the gun will take 12 rounds but will NOT lock in under a closed slide .....
It WILL lock in under an open slide
NOW ... i purchased 2 additional 12 round mags from GrabaGun and BOTH of those will take 12 rounds "easier" AND WILL lock into place under a closed slide. So with those 2 mags i can do 12+1
The oem 12 round mag has been loaded and unloaded 6 times at the range so the spring has been compressed and de-compressed 6 times AND i store that mag with 12 rounds 24/7 in hopes to loosen up the spring, which so far has not helped.
My 18 round ProMag for Canik had the same issue where 18 rounds would NOT lock into place under a closed slide, but after storing that mag with 18 rounds for a week, that loosened up the spring and now it will lock in under a closed slide.
This Bodyguard oem mag is not having it ....
The information I received from my local FFL is the magazine springs are now slightly shorter.
Had the same problem!!
Good video 🎉
Thanks for watching and commenting, Mike.
Got mine yesterday and experienced the same. Both 10- and 12-rd mags were difficult to load the last bullet. Then feeding the mag, I had to smash it in. Then when racking, it didnt chamber - the slide didnt go forward all the way. No issues if I load 9 and 11 rds, respectively. Will leave the mags loaded to the max to soften the springs and see how it goes. But for now, if I’m gonna carry, I will minus 1 round the mags!
I still carry it minus 1. Super stiff still for me.
@@averagemarksman did u have problems with the sights too? My POI was low and to the left. Both front and rear sights are not centered. My first time buying s&w and probably the last. They say Glock is boring, but I’ve never had these problems on brand new Glocks.
@@SymptomsOfCode out of the box I thought it was shooting a bit low but I think it was just me getting use to the sights.
Looks like the S&W Engineers shoe-horned to many rounds in that space.
I’d love to see a full disassembly of the BG 2.0, not just field strip 🙏🏽
I hate that the rugers are held together entirely by roll pins and aren’t user friendly to work on. The BG 2.0 looks like it has more modern and user friendly internals.
Very curious if it’s something I’ll be able to get good use out of and work on myself easily vs the LCPs that feel like plastic one-time use toys
Thanks!
@@TRR56 we will see if we can make that happen.
I THINK (from looking at mine) that it's going to require you to press of the rear sight to get the back-plate off and remove the striker assembly, etc...I'm not 100%, but that's what it looks like to me.
You're correct. @@jedcoupland8587
THANKS!
Just bought this pistol yesterday and experienced the same problem with both the 10 and 12 rnd mags. I'll be leaving them fully loaded as well, in the hopes that time and use will help with the issue. I wonder if S&W will be issuing a recall on the mags in the future?
I still refuse to carry the 12 rounds magazine fully loaded. The spring is far to stiff. I doubt they will recall the magazines.
i left mine loaded for some time and its fine now. its a small brand new gun of course itll be tight.
Tight enough to change the shape of the magazines is a little different than normal.
Issues with mine thus far. Racking 12 round into chamber, it doesn't feed into chamber. Gets stuck. Lock slide back. Pull out magazine. Bullet flies out of ejection port across the room. Racking into chamber manually doesn't work with 12 round mag. Have to rack fast and hard with 10 round to avoid this problem. Also dry firing, sometimes trigger pull hits sticky point. Going to copy paste this in other 2.0 videos
I’m looking forward to pulling it back out of the box in a day or two and seeing if the magazines have loosened up a bit. In theory they should but I checked yesterday and they were just as stiff as they were.
@averagemarksman I unloaded and reloaded repeatedly. Now, I'm just letting it sit. Still love it compared to my lcp max. It seems everything is related to that ultra stiff 12 round mag.
@@Aaron-ro4kv I enjoyed shooting it. Sweet design.
When I went to the range first time I had to use my maglula to get them full
Yeah, I loaded the 12th round in by hand a few times, but after that I decided to just put 11rds in that mag until it cycles 20-30 times and loosens up. I DO remember Taran (of Taran Tactical) pointing out that if you smack the gun on it's base, it will usually loosen up and let you get an extra round in (which worked with his +2 baseplate for the G43), but I have no idea if it works with this gun. I shot two fully loaded 12rd mags with the +1, then did the rest of the day with 11rds in that mag and 10 in the 10rd mag.
I LOVE the Bodyguard 2.0 and can't wait for a holster (I actually really like my LCP MAX ELITE, but it's always felt kinda rickety and janky). I haven't been this excited about a new gun since the P365 first came out.
@@jedcoupland8587 I think the 2.0 is going to be an awesome little pistol. I don’t view the magazine situation as being a failure. Even 10 rounds in the 12 round magazine is pretty good in my mind for self defense.
@@averagemarksman Yeah, the good news is, it's not like most will reload this kinda gun with rounds still in the magazine. And I remember either the 43 or 43X or maybe it was the 365 that some had an issue dropping mags (so some would heat up their grips then insert the mag wrapped in a layer of plastic wrap). I'm a huge fan of tiny guns, and this thing is just comical in how it looks like it got hit by a shrink ray. Like I want to prank someone by replacing their duty S&W M&P 2.0 with this or something. :)
NOTE: from what I've heard from metallurgists, springs don't loosen up very much by sitting compressed as much as they do from cycling (that's why I'm just loading mine to 11 over and over until it loosens up). But I've also heard leaving them sitting compressed can loosen them a little.
Can't get the tenth round into 10 mag, or twelfth round into 12 mag, even with my lula loader. I hope after 100 rounds, this will ease up. Otherwise, back to S&W the mags go.
Also, granted I have arthritis in my hands, but I can barely rack the slide. Hope that too gets easier.
I hope I don't regret passing up the LCP MAX for the Bodyguard. I loved the original LCP.
The magazines are an on going issue. I've accepted that the 12 round magazine is actually a 10 round magazine.
I've had the same issues with mine, no way I'd be getting 11 and 12 in without maglula. Hopefully letting them sit while loaded will help resolve both issues you brought up.
I still don’t load 12 into the 12 round magazine. I do carry it daily and it’s been flawless outside of the Remington ammo we tested.
it's unfortunate that's what has to be done. Glad reliability is positive though. Other than the mag nonsense, it seems like a really great gun
For now, I'll stick with my LCP MAX. Will check it out in a few months when they work out initial issues. Still looking to get one as an addition to my little arsenal. Honest review 👍😉
@@johnniehall3692 I’ve heard good things about the Max. Haven’t purchase one myself though. Thanks for watching.
@averagemarksman I've heard good things too, for years. Now that the Bodyguard 2.0 is out, reviewers can't say enough bad things about the Max. I've been satisfied with mine, I think I'll stick with it a while longer.
Once you shoot a BG 2.0 you'll be trading in your LCP.
Just got mine today and was having the same problem I can only get 11 in it and gave up lol glad I’m not the only one lol ten round had no problems with it
I still only load 11 in it - 12 may never happen.
Brand new Sigs have this problem too easy fix when you get to the 10th rd tap the mag against your leg to get them seated properly to get the mag to start going in the firearm easily you have to insert a fully loaded mag in and out of the firearm i know its sounds like too much but its a magazine break in when these smaller mags had to do it with psa micro dagger mags for the 43x as well trust me it does work shouldn't be this way but it happens let me know how it goes.
There was a similar issue with the Shield Plus mags ... it was the follower not going all the way down in the mag base / guys were shaving a small lip on the bottom of the follower to resolve it, My shield plus mags "broke in" after using them alot. I'm not a gun smith, I'm not saying this is the issue here ... I'm just letting you know this was VERY similar to the Shield Plus issue that you no longer hear about~
I own a Shield Plus and an Equalizer. The 13 and 15 rd were impossible to load the last round. I took a chainsaw blade file to the follower edge so that the spring would drop into the follower and not hang up on the edge. I bought 2 new 15 rd mags which were better. Their lip was not as bad, but I still filed them a little. It would not surprise me if the Bodyguard 2.0 mags have the same issue
great content, thanks for sharing
Thanks watching and commenting!
Keep the vids coming 👍
Thanks for watching!
I certainly was not able to load my magazines that easily. I bought a magazine loader which was awful and S& W told me to load the first three by hand. So NO ONE can load 12 as advertised. S and W should re- design or stop making the claim. They owe their customers an apology.
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I use my MagLula 9mm loaded, works fine, just PUSH it down HARD and it will get that 12th round but then the mag wont lock in place with a closed slide ....
If you cant seat the magazine in the gun with 12 rounds and the slide forward the system doesn't "work fine" in my opinion.
That’s why I like wheelguns better
Glad my MC9 didn't have this issue even with the 15rd mag. Pretty sure I can load it completely by hand (although it's pretty tight). Never had a malfunction that I could attribute to this (only seen one so far that I think was a friend limp wristing).
The 2.0 is half the size of an MC9. That’s a tough comparison. Much different pistol.
@@averagemarksman wow that's crazy, I'm just saying it would be great to show them side by side. I know they both fill different roles but it would help my brain understand just how tiny this pistol is.
@@averagemarksman well ended up finding one local and bought it. It's crazy how tiny it is yet the ergos are great. Breaks my brain that I need the pinky extension for my Canik but I can got my pinky on this thing with the flush fit. Also the bore axis is so low, really interesting how they engineered the trigger bar and seer to make that whole package very compact to allow such a high grip. Trigger feels great to although the reset is longer than the Canik (Canik really does make you spoiled when it comes to triggers). Sadly I love in Colorado so I have to wait till Tuesday to bring it home....
It’s also got a two-part feed ramp design (look at it inside) that causes failure to feed issues with flat nose profile bullets. In .380 you need hollow points or the Extreme Defender type fluted ammo to be effective and if those are going to jam it then it’s not a suitable gun for self defense period.
The bullets get caught on the ridge where the two-part ramp comes together. What were they thinking?
Hand you shot defensive ammo through one? We shot several types of defensive ammo (hollow points) without issues. We haven’t had any malfunctions that were not magazine related.
@@averagemarksman You guys have a video of it not going in to battery with JHP... Maybe is was the feed ramp issue. I have shot FMJ not a problem, Sig V Crown JHP and Underwood Extreme Defense feed issues. I think the Critical Defense will run good since they are coned bullets. My magazines won't fully load either.
1.) The two-part feed ramp issue will polishing fix it? I dont know. .380 ammo isn't cheap and im not buying 1,000 rounds to find out. 2.) Sometimes the magazines also have issues not loading past 3 rounds because if you look at the side of the magazine there are two "windows" cut where the magazine locks in to the grip. The magazine follower has a fang/tooth that hangs down in the corner to stabalize it as it slides up and down in the magazine, however, if it cants while you are loading ammo the fang might pop out the window and get stuck. People have been taking them apart and removing the tooth/fang, but why would they make it like that? Load yours and look at that window as the follower goes down you will see the tooth. 3.) the recoil spring is an inner/outer two spring design and sometimes it wont compress to allow re-assembly. Look at the front end of the outer spring and you can see the cut edge of the spring will ride up along the side surface of the recoil spring rod and that's supposed to be what is causing it.
I was all excited about the rave reviews it and bought one, but I wont want it and will sell it if it wont feed relaibly. I want it for defense and if it won't function relaibly it can be any caliber and it's not worth your life. I have had an LCP Max for a few years now, never a malfunction, shoots everything. It's a close up self defense gun I'm not caring about felt recoil, etc, I just need it to shoot reliably from 3-7 feet away.
I was in law enforcement and went from a nice .357 S&W 686 revolver then to a S&W 9mm auto and that S&W auto was horrible too. Always jammed and I couldnt depend on it. Once we went to Glock 17 and 19 the problems were over and I could could have carried that glock for another 3 careers and been happy. I would carry the glock .380 but it's larger and lesss capacity than the LCP Max. This Bodyguard 2.0 just bringing back bad memories. I can probably sell it for what I paid since they are sold out at a lot of places.
Several videos or JHP's running fine through the 2.0 while 'some' while I did see a video or two of flat nosed FMJ's having a feed issue.
Just a matter of finding which JHP round works ... my research tells me Hornady Critical Defense, Speer God Dot and Federal HST run well in the 2.0
@@hmdwni've seen Hornady Critical Defense be a hit or miss for BG 2.0. have you tried them yet?
My Shield plus was the same with the larger cap mag same as this one. 10 no prob 12 after 11 big prob😂
Hopefully you didn't gouge the heck out of your nice tabletop! :) I wonder if the spring is getting hung up on the underside of the follower - that was an issue with some of the Shield Plus magazines. There's a "fix video" out for that. Worth checking out. Thanks for the info!
Ha! The table. It has a few imperfections on it these days. Need to get a protector for it. I wanted to see if leaving them loaded would solve the problem. A new gun owner doesn’t want to take those magazines a part so the goal is to take it step by step.
@@averagemarksman Yeah, loosening/compressing those springs is a great, first strategy!
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The follower could be getting caught on mag spring. Shield Plus had this issue
@@ZeldaVStheworld very possible. That’s the next step. Going to see how they do after being compressed for 5-7 days.
I’m having this same exact issue
I’ve opted to keep mine loaded to 11. Fully loaded just isn’t an option for me.
Can you imagine if those mags weren’t tight when they were new like this and then after 10 mags run through them they became weak and sloppy like the lcr’s are new. That would just be something else to complain about. I’m gonna put my money on these loosening up to be just right after a little time.
There’s a fine line between stiff and so stiff that loading the 12 round changes the shape of the metal magazine.
@@averagemarksman yeah, I’m not really experiencing that with mine. I have no problem when I use the loader. I can get 10 and 12 in by hand, but it’s not really easy.
Thank you for showing flaws and keeping it 100, sometimes its better to wait to buy new guns like this
Thanks for watching and commenting.
It's not a flaw, it's the trade-off for good capacity. clearly you've never owned a 1.5 stack firearm. My 365 was like this, my shield plus was like this. After break in they're fine.
I recently bought one of these guns with a thumb safety. I love S&W. I own 2 other guns of theirs. BUT, this gun should never have left the factory. The thumb safety is awful. Impossible to operate with the thumb. And I do mean impossible. I've experienced the same problems with the mags that you talk about in this video. When loaded with 12 forced bullets, it's almost impossible for me at my age to slam it into the mag well into a locking position. Took it to the range and it tuckered me out having to reload this thing. I'm 71 and it's very, very difficult to push 12 rounds into the larger mag - even when I use an Uplula for help. I paid a lot of money for this gun ($400) and I sure expected better. I called S&W and all they said was that they would send me another mag. OK, another defective mag is not something I need. How about you fix the problem and then send the solution to those who registered their guns with you (as I did). Talked to somebody with the same gun and he bought it new - and the front sights were not centered. He had to take a punch to them and pound them right until centered. The gun I bought must have been a second iteration because the sights were properly line up. I (we) deserve better from such a good company.
I hate to hear about the issues but there’s no denying that they exist. I bought the version without the safety because of how small/stiff the safety was to operate.
@@averagemarksman I saw a video on how to fix the thumb safety issue and I tried it. Not sure it works, but it does a little. I guess the point is, I expect more from S&W. This gun's getting a lot of attention now (both good and terrible). I expected much more from them. I'll leave my mags loaded as you suggest and see if it helps.
@ it does help a bit but I still only carry the twelve round magazine with 10+1 in the chamber.
Read my recent above post... too funny as a S&W customer rep told me "they never heard about the 12-round mag issue." (yea sure lol)
They're sending me another 12-round mag > > > it almost seems as if when the mag-spring is fully compressed there simply isn't enough room in the mag for the 12'th round. > > > I almost wanted to snip some of the spring off ... but S&W wants my mag returned.
My manual safety 'is' stiff to operate but I'm use to it and can make it work.
@@hmdwn Interesting because they did not ask me to return my mag. I think I'll follow AM's advice and just carry 11 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hopefully, somebody will find a fix for the damn thumb safety.
I left my mags full for a few days. Now I can load all 12 rounds by hand. I need to know why the slide isn't locking back, 'cause I'm not riding the slide.
I didn’t have any issues with the slide locking back.
You may not be riding the slide, but you are riding the slide release, preventing it from popping up after the last round. I find it nearly impossible to not ride the release lever with my right thumb.
Update... some 800 rounds through my new S&W Bodyguard 2.0 and with even leaving the 12-round mag loaded all the time, loading 11-rounds is very difficult it's STILL impossible to load the 12-round.
It's almost like the compressed mag spring isn't allowing enough room for the 12'th round.
So... I call S&W customer service and explain the situation and how many other owners of this great little gun are also having issues loading that 12'th round.
The rep says to me ... "this is the first time hearing about this" ... I'm thinking that's doubtful.
However the rep was very interested to help and wanted to address the situation so, he's sending me out another 12-round mag and with a prepaid returning shipping label I'll be returning the 12-round mag that cam with my 2.0
My only other issue (which I'll fix) it the front sight is off to the right ... gun is shooting to the left.
Also... I'm not digging the rear sight window, the U is simply too wide... to quickly lock in the center of the rear sight I put a small white dot of paint.
All in all I'm glad I purchased this little 2.0 perfect conceal carry size (on sale) for when I don't want to carry my larger 9mm's.
“This is the first time hearing about this” seems like a pretty poor response to me.
Hopefully the new magazine resolves the issues.
Thank you for the updated information.
There's a serial number stamped on the inside sleeve of the magazine shell itself. Maybe it's a bad lot, which I unfortunately have
@@crackerms0100 I need to look into that situation.
My 365 was the same, never gave me much confidence in the gun forcing things to work and karate chopping the mag to get it to seat properly. These companies are trying too hard to stuff as much as they can into the smallest package. I dont believe there should be a break in period or the need to keep mags loaded for days before you can even use them, design them with better tolerance so they are good to go right out of the box.
My thoughts exactly! Thanks for commenting.
Thanks for the review. I switched from the LCP II TO YHE BODYGUARD 2.0. The issue I’m having is the magazine release button accidentally depressing while carrying in a pocket holster. When I draw the gun, the release was accidentally engaged and the magazine is sticking out an 1/8 of an inch. You can’t quickly press it back in place. This is worthless in a life and death situation. My LCP never did this. Does anyone else have this issue?
This seems pretty standard with most high capacity mags today. But this is the second video I’ve seen complaining about this on this specific gun. What the heck?
I think it’s just a capacity war. They need to make the marketing sound better.
I did good to get 5 in my 12 round magazine, it's super stiff!
That’s real bad.
This has been a characteristic of 1.5 stack mags since the first P365 came out. You don't get anything for free. Once the springs break in they're fine. My BG 2.0 has been fine.
I’m sure the springs will be fine once they break in. We will see how long it takes.
I bet they borked the design of the followers so they’re interfering with the spring, just like they messed up with the Shield Plus mags.
Also, it’s worth disassembling S&W mags when they bulge during loading because they have a recent reputation for sending out mags with the follower and spring assembled incorrectly from the factory.
We are going to look into that after we see if the magazines being loaded solves the problem.
So just out of curiosity, did you contact Smith And Wesson with your concerns, and the results? Maybe they don't know
I didn’t contact them. There’s no doubt that they know about the issue. I have the gun for months and it’s currently on my hip. I still can’t get 12 rounds into the 12 round magazine and that’s ok. I just carry it at 10+1. No issues for me.
I picked up one yesterday. Haven’t even gotten a chance to fire it yet. I always field strip my new firearms. This one was crazy oiled and a little dirty. Went to reassemble, no luck. It’s like there is an issue with the magazine not compressing enough. I spend over an hour rotating the spring to see if it was not sitting right. Nothing worked. Going back to the shop tomorrow. Kinda bummed.
That doesn’t sound good at all.
@@averagemarksman
No, it’s hopefully something simple. It’s not like the field strip is overly complicated.
@@davidbrown2284 let me know what happens.
@@averagemarksman
Took it into the shop. They tried a recoil spring from a different GB2.0, it went together fine. They are giving me the one that works, and then they will deal with S&W. That’s why I like my local shop. I’ll be taking it shooting today.
@@averagemarksman
So, put 350 rounds through it last Monday, then another 250 through it yesterday. Was about 400 rounds of various FMJ’s, and then 200 rounds of various JHP/MHP’s. Only 1 hitch, that was on round number 2 out of the 12 round mag. It was the first time shooting the 12 rounder. It didn’t go into battery completely, but I just tapped the slide, and it seated. That issue never came up again. It’s very very easy to shoot, but does roughen up the web between my thumb and index finger. Nothing crazy, just more than a full sized gun. I don’t plan on extended shooting sessions with it, I just wanted to make sure it was reliable and functions. Love this little gun.
The only way the 12 round magazine can hold 12 is with a 10 round spring I took mine apart and that's the only way it would work.
That’s a pretty solid idea. Wonder how it will be in the long run.
@@averagemarksman or u can trim the spring a little
Yeah, my bodyguard is tight to load the mags to full capacity. Start with 8 and 10 rounds for the 10 and 12 round mags respectively, they will loosen up after a few cycles. Forcing them in is not a good idea. You should know that all new guns need a breakin period.
At this point the magazines have been cycled more than most will ever shoot their gun and the magazines are still not broken in.
@@averagemarksman Yeah, it might take more than a few cycles. First hand load was tough on my arthritic fingers. But it does get easier. Store them loaded.
I have more than 600 rounds through those magazines - magazines stored with ammo. Still not broken in.
@@averagemarksman I've got a ways to go in that case!! 😁
Hey A.M., great input bro. Just uploaded my video of the BG 2.0. I love it. IMO its in a class all by itself comparing apples to apples as a pocket pistol feels so much better than its competitors. Everything on it, including the slide, mags, safety ect was very stiff but after a few range trips it all loosened up and functioning with much more ease. Just subbed to support my fellow guntuber and 2A brother. Dont listen to all the haters and negative people, theres much more people that appreciate your informative content. Stay blessed and stay safe 🙏
Hey, man. Thanks for commenting. I think it’s in its class of its own as well. I received a holster for it yesterday and man it disappears in a pair of gym shorts. I’ll check out your video later today.
@averagemarksman Thanks for replying Nick. That great, I hope you do a review of the holster because I tried 2 of them from Amazon but I'm not happy with them, 3rd one coming in tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.
The holster is awesome. I’m carrying it right now. Today’s video will more than likely be about the Bodyguard and the holster.
@@averagemarksman awesome, I'm looking forward to it 😀
I have the problem you're having of how difficult it is to get the magazine in the gun. Only I have absolutely no trouble getting 10 or 12 rounds into the magazine. I then have to use both hands pushing the magazine into the gun. I have so many other guns, including the LCP Max, and don't have this issue. Since the magazine loads fine, to me it's not a magazine issue, its a design issue between the gun and magazine. I called Smith and Wesson, they told me to bang the gun on the table to get the magazine in. They did send me a new 10 rounder but it has the same exact problem.
@@thecoolestever1 you can take the magazine a part and snip a small piece off of the spring.
@averagemarksman thanks, I did take it apart but decided against modifying it. I didn't want to change the shape of the bottom. I'm going to order some aftermarket mags someone mentioned worked well for them, if I can remember the video they posted about it.
Buy a Maglula, load those mags and let them sit. They will get better. Had the same issue years ago with my Sig 365. After sitting a week, the problem disappeared.
I understand that solution but first time buyers do not. The magazines shouldn’t change shape when loaded.
Mine has the same issue but runs flawlessly and is very accurate. I think it’s just thin metal on the mags and makes them bulge to some degree. Once the mag is empty they drop free just fine. I don’t consider it a real problem.
I don’t consider it a real problem either. It will work itself out but new gun owners need to see the process. Pistol ran fine with less rounds in the magazine.
@@averagemarksman I ran mine with fully loaded mags and slide lock worked on both mags and as I said earlier the pistol ran perfect and is more enjoyable to shoot than my MAX. Appreciate your channel and be safe.
I -1 a round in every mag. Rifle, pistols, everything
Makes sense to me.
Agreed. Function first, capacity second. Because if it isn't working?...
Based on what you're showing, that 12 round mag needs to be at minimum 1 mm longer.
It’s broke in a bit but it’s still an extremely tight fit.
Lets hope the new poly 2.0 and shield plus are better or I'll have to get.... What? Need a new carry pistol soon. Seems like if I want reliable I'm going to have to go glock or hk, what else to trust your life with?
I carry a Shield Plus. It’s never had a malfunction. Been shot on the channel several times.
@@averagemarksman Ok, I'll look up those vids. I currently carry an XDS 3.3 or my wife's P30. Friend is buying my XDS and a 1911 so I'm looking to replace them with a single carry / nightstand gun. Narrowed it down to 2.0, shield plus, P30 or vp9, g19.
@@BioHorror 2.0 is a great pistol.
I'm willing to bet that Smith & Wesson designed that pistol at about the same time that they designed the first bodyguard and have now released it
Anything is possible.
Mine too! All sales final too!!! Please post an update fix if possible.
@@FLT1970 I’ll document everything that happens. Ideally it’s a simple fix.
Do a update
The problems of a mag coming out of the factory with the guns
I agree.
Have you tied disassembling and reassembling it to be sure the inter also are how they are supposed to be? Maybe the follower isn't seating on the sprint correctly or something.
Negative. That’s the next step if leaving the magazines loaded doesn’t solve the problem.
What magazine loader did you use in this video? I'm having the same problem as well.
I had a Sig loader on the table but I ended up just flipping the magazines over and pushing down on the table.
Every gun that I have owned gets shot right out of the box. I never take a New Gun apart, clean and lube before shooting! I did the same with my Bodyguard and shot 50 rounds at my LGR and I have No Issues so far with the first 200 rounds! This gun is everythingI want for a self defense gun and it is now my EDC!
@@stevekatz4372 it’s a fantastic pistol.
After u break in the gun the 12th round will get better smith has very tight mag springs.
@@thepistolguy859 thanks, man. I know that but the video is for people who haven’t experienced it.
Due you know do shield plus magazines fit in the new carry comp shield
There’s no reason it shouldn’t. I have the Shield Plus magazines loaded and ready to go for the day I pick up the shield Comp.
Ive had nothing but issues with the regular bodyguard, seems its always back at smith for repairs. Garbage company these days with half assed customer service.
Doesn’t seem like a good experience.
I had to send mine back because rear sight off and thought they might fix magazine problem. It was there 7 weeks!! Didn’t send me a broken in magazine!! Terrible service department
@@jimcorbitt4966 seven weeks for the rear sight? That’s rough.
S&W Should fix The Problem That this Gun Has I Know It Is A New Gun But It Had Problems with this Gun
I’m not spending 400 Dollars on something that has all kind of Problems I already have a Taurus G2 C For Years An No Problems At all An I Do Want the S & W Bodyguard next I’m getting older In My Mid 60s an I just want a Smaller Gun That I Can Handle
Just got my 2.0 ... the #11 round is ridiculous to get in and with just 11 rounds the mag swells and sticks in the handle of the gun... almost like that mag was never really designed for 12 rounds. For the price of this gun this BS shouldn't be happening.
Exactly. Very frustrating.
@@averagemarksman ... 500 rounds through my 2.0 and STILL the 11'th round in the 12-round mag is stupid difficult to get-in and #12 just won't happen.
I don't want to get a mag loader and shouldn't have to use one ... all my other hand guns (9mm) have zero issues loading 12-15 -17 rounds as the mag was intended to run.
I keep my mags loaded and sit to try to loosen up the springs... never experienced this nonsense with my other guns.
And the mag being distorted is BS!
Dude!!!!!! Brand new gun.....you have to break it in.... 200 rounds at least
@@samann02 not exactly true. However, the gun has 500 rounds through it. The 12 round magazine still doesn’t function correctly. It’s been loaded the entire time and I’ve carried it daily. Load 11, zero issues.
New guns, new magazines need to break in . My shield plus was the same way. After cleaning it, lubing it, then firing a box of ammo through it, everything works perfect.
IMO,that’s a poor choice for a first gun
Everyone’s needs for a first gun are different. It wouldn’t be my choice either but that’s completely based on experience. If it’s your first gun you don’t have any experience.
I definitely respect S&W......but since this pistol is a new platform for them and as Honest Outlaw quoted "tiny little guns, have tiny little problems". I'll just wait till the guys who are sponsored with free ammo get 1000 or so rounds down range before I decide on a 'winner".
Thanks for posting this video!
100% true. That reason is exactly why I’m not a fan of tiny little semi auto guns.
I’ve got 1400 rounds through mine, shot 200 rounds ball ammo with 4 FTFs today. Previous 200 rounds ran fine after polishing ramp areas, thought problem was resolved. Didn’t pay attention to which magazine might be the culprit/issue today.
Buy a UpLula magazine loader.
I like to suffer hahah.
Let the full mags sit for a couple of days done.
@@aaronpat123 that’s the plan. Sitting in the box loaded up now.
@@averagemarksman on my og shield the mags were tight.I let them sit for a week.I do use the mag uplulu though.
Good detective work!
As a man, this video makes me feel embarrassed. Round 12 was a little difficult to load for my 9 year old niece. Took her 2 try's. Dude needs to stop being a crybaby and crush a couple of beer cans with his bare hands. For training I would recommend buying a six pack of Snapple and twisting off the lids. If you have never changed a flat tire or blown up a balloon this firearm may not be for you. If you can stomach loading each of the magazines that come with this pistol one round short and waiting 12 hours, I suspect that you will find this firearm an excellent addition to your collection. I am truly surprised that this poster didn't complain that when he fired the weapon that it smelled too much like gunpowder.
@@rbrb69usa123 oh snap we have ourselves an internet badass.
10 + 1 and 12 +1 are nothing more than a sales gimmick, shame on them. Chamber the 12th round with the slide stop engaged and leave 11 in the magazine. I do the same routine with my Shield Plus and 30 Super Carry. If you can't defend yourself with 12 shots, you weren't going to survive anyway.
The Shield magazines are tight out of the box but nothing like the Bodyguard magazines.
I shot 60 rounds for the Bodyguard 2.0; my only failure was a failure to feed in the first shot. As you said, 12+1 couldn't be done, and I had to jam my magazine inside, as seen at 3:32, so I started loading my Bodyguard with 11+1. Shame.
After 11 rounds in the chamber for over a week, I hope the magazine and gun will be “broken into” and start working as advertised and load it as 12+1
I must have strong fingers lol
Or a weaker spring.
Our "expert" begins by dumping an entire box of ammunition out onto the top of his desk!!! A complete and immediate disqualification. Not subscribing or even watching the rest of this video, and, yes new double-stack magazines remain hard to load for a while: not news!!
@@davidkachel who’s the expert? The plastic case was as tall as the round. Couldn’t remove them from the package to load them one by one in a timely manner so I made a quick decision. Magazines should not change shape when ammo is loaded.
MAGLULA
New gun owners don’t have special tools to load stubborn magazines.
Click-bait. Not a magazine issue. It's a newb issue.
Ha. It’s a magazine issue.
@@averagemarksman No, it isn't.
@@denizenofclownworld4853 the gun still doesn’t function properly with 12 rounds in the magazine.