Watching some of these more recent one's and this doc is old not only did Brian Wright get "inside information" which obviously isn't all it's cracked up to be as a horse can still lose a race even with said information, what he did do through bets from his crew was to "launder" his dirty drugs money buy getting his gang to bet the dirty cash and when he won it was returned "washed" in the form of new bills straight from the bank almost. So this doc just points to the tip of an iceberg as far as racing corruption goes. Still not bad. Unfortunately the BBC now only really produces reality trash and made up "historical drama". Serious investigative series like this have gone down the pan.
The follow up "Racings Dirty Secrets 2" is more relevant in terms of what Betfair brought to the table. The point about Wright was that the racing authorities (Jockey Club) turned a blind eye. Nowadays the BHA do exactly the same but spin it better.
2023 and still goes on daily. dashing roger 10/1 into 2/1 fav last week. 9 rivals, the jockeys between them used the whip like 3 times. countless examples.
I remember two jockeys that cheated on a regular basis .Jamie Osbourne would stop anything at a moments notice ,and another was Luke Harvey he would actually jump of a horse or make it fall he was so corrupt i never touched his horses he was so predictable .Harvey actually was so good at bringing down a horse that he was a stunt rider in the making of Braveheart the movie .but yes racing is more than corrupt it is more to suit the bookmaker they are the ones who profit from it they can buy any result they want.
Except that he wasn't and that trainer ended up having to pay out that certain jockey for unfair dismissal, when the claim was that the trainer's wife had an affair with an unnamed jockey and that certain jockey denied that it was him. Oh and just for good measure, at the time it was later revealed to have been discovered, the trainer's wife was in Ireland and the jockey in question was riding at Goodwood that day.
They aren’t of course… but the board decides who and when “gets caught”. If something looks extremely bent then they have to obviously take action…. Which at the most is a 2 month ban!!! If they pull it off and it looks kinda bent but could be realistic…. There’s an excuse for that and everyone involved makes money. They’re not above the board but are on the same team!
Browne saying he would do it anywhere it didn't matter the occasion even at Cheltenham reminds me of him whipping around at the start on Browns Gazzette
This refers to Kieren Fallon being on the verge of his 5th title which means this must be filmed in 2002 so it's 13 years old and referring to things in the 90s
26:15 In steps Willie Carson ... Sorry I couldn't save ya , you did the right thing . I love the fact that this whole thing is bent . If it wasn't I would be loaded and money is all evil . Keep fixing races so i can rid my hard earned .
O'Brien's two in the 2000 Guineas were nobbled by the Bookies and nobody did anything about it. Even Aidan kept his mouth shut. Massive Asian money in the game now.
@@TracksuitDave Absolutely, as soon as a horse runs badly there's some who can say got at quick enough, horses are much more sterner tested these days, especially if they run way below expectations, plus the horse in question Augustine Rodin has won the Derby since.
As others have said, Bobby; horses are not machines, they can run poorly for many reasons. One of O'Brien's 2000 Guineas horses, Little Big Bear has always been thought of as a sprinter. The 2000 Guineas is over further - a mile. Therefore at the longer distance horses have to go slower in order to stay the distance. At that race distance and speed Little Big Bear predictably pulled hard (wanting to go faster) and had nothing left for the finish. If Little Big Bear had been "nobbled" he would not have recovered when just three weeks later won returned to sprint distances. In contrast his other 2000 runner Auguste Rodin had always looked a middle-distance horse in the making. ie Once he'd matured was likely to be a one and a quarter mile to mile and a half mile horse. As an immature horse / two year old a mile is a fair test of stamina and therefore Rodin was able to win at the top level at a mile..Whereas a mile at the age of three is not such a test. Rodin just did not have the speed to quicken. Had he been as you claim "nobbled" he would not have recovered in the month between Guineas and Derby. The Derby is one and a half times as far as the Guineas. Rodin won the Derby pretty easily. Indeed, when racing at a mile and a quarter in the Irish Champion Stakes connections made sure the pace was a very strong one in order to make it as much of a test of stamina at that trip as possible. Rodin won, but had it been only a mile like the Guineas it would've been too short a distance. Also, at the time of the Guineas trainer O'Brien's horses were generally not in anywhere near as good form as they were a month later in the Derby. So the fitness of the two horses (especially when considering it was first time out in the season for both) may not have been as good either.
O'Brien has been at it for years pitting his so called weaker horses against his first choice horses in the same race with his outsider usually coming out on top.And now today its one of his sons outside horses beating his hot favourite .They have the punters for mugs.
@@ukmeetthetyrantsisanARSEHOLE O'Brien wins with his "weaker" horses the number of times they can be expected to win. Say his first choice had an SP of 7/2 (something the market believes has a 20% chance of winning).... Now say there are four of his "weaker" horses running all at 14/1 (each one having around a 6% chance. With 4 X 6 = 24%). The market is actually saying the combined chance of the five "weaker" horses would statistically have a better chance than his "first choice". However, the number of times an outsider wins is exaggerated in your confirmation bias. Besides; if you're right "his outsider usually coming out on top"... Then it would be very simple. Don't know what you're complaining about. Just back the outsider and you'll be making loads of money in the long run!
lester piggot of course was always at his best in group races simply because he had a cut of the future , but no doubt lester lost a few as required ? be it via the owner , trainers instructions etc , lets not forget it costs a lot of money to buy and keep a horse in training so the money has to come from somewhere but i dont think bet fair laying losers is beneficial either ?
and bet on the Top 3 races (or all the Top races) at the Cheltenham Festival. Champion Hurdle, Champion Chase & Gold Cup. Every year I get one or two of the top 3 and one year I got all 3. They are the Top horses at the Festival and they "Are trying" Not like some poxy little £5,000 race at some little track.
+arthurV cat Not really. If a jockey is given a lot of money by gangsters as a teenager to pull horses and then rises up to be one of the most sort after jockeys in racing, the gangsters still have him in their pocket. They will have evidence on him and threaten to expose him unless he continues to pull horses at their behest - even if it is a Group 1 race (much more liquid markets so much more money for the criminals to make). Also a top class jockey may have a massive gambling habit, running into £100s of £1000s, to the point even his wife kicks him out when she finds the credit cards maxed out. So the bookies phone the top class jockey and politely say "if you pull horse A in tomorrows Group 1 race, we will write off £x,000s of your debt owed to us". If anyone thinks racing isn't rife with skulduggerry they either do not know the game very well or they are deluding themselves. When the racing media pay retainers to jockeys that have been exposed as cheats on audio recoridngs, and the BHA do nothing about it then we have no hope. Plus the people at the very top in racing, the ones with the real money, simply loath lower class people so couldn't give a flying f**k whether punters are swindled or not. Which is of course extremely disturbing as without punters and their hard earned, racing would revert to match races between rich land owners and/or farmers racing their horses around fields. Racing is the biggest gravy train known to man, but the only one I can think of where the people funding it are treated with such disdain.
+CONSIDERABLYMORE1 Cant disagree with any of that. it took me 3 months to realise the game is bent and the treatment of the punters is pretty disgusting, they don't even try to hide the fact that their a bunch of cheating scum some of the racing is so obviously set up its cringeworthy, the amount of times horses 2nd or 3rd in the market, well backed with mug money and they are caught wide at say Wolverhampton is ridiculous, some of them are drawn low and still get caught wide.. then there's the old chestnut of being "slowly away", and my personal favourite the good old bomb out in a 1m5f race and completely cook the horse and drop away at the 4 peg, only to come out nt and bolt up in a 1m race. the dirtiness of horse racing knows no bounds and like I say they don't even try to make it subtle any-more, its a case of "not today son, hold it up right at the back and don't even bother riding a finish, unplace it and get its mark down".. And the amount of times you see a race where you get one that's given a good lead (5-7l) and they don't even attempt to go after it is laughable as well, its like watching WWE wrestling. The only way to stop getting angry about it and stop losing money is to stop betting on it. You'll feel much better for it.
Take some of the races recently, Southwell AW, I haven't seen one odds on shot win in the past month, all of them beat and 95% of them beat out of sight, a lot not even making the frame. And you want to see a ride where they don't want to win, watch Kirby on Gabster, watch his win in the first of the same card and then watch that one, the difference is laughable, Gabster travels well, but he sticks it up the arse of a fading horse, gets into the clear switches outside, switches inside and loses a length.. never whipped it, just bounced up and down on it. contrast to the first where he's driving like a man possessed and whipping it every 2 strides.. disgusting sport, the sooner they blow the fucking tracks up the better.
Where there's money, there's corruption. It's a no-brainer that horse racing is corrupt. Of course it is. "Just taking some horses for a nice wee run. If you like, Mr Ladbroke over there will give you some money for guessing which one is fastest. Listen, tell you what, in case you're a bit rubbish at this sort of thing, we'll even get some experts to tell you which one is usually the fastest. Make it nice and fair for you.". Sounds legit.
ive betted for along time and this has to be the dirtiest society of people ive ever seen in my life.everybody is lying except one man and he gets threaten on job lose.they most likely drug the horses and pull on braids to slow it down.
when big money is concerned yes its rigged,but players that know what they are doing.animals trust you to protect them and people reward them by nearly killing them.
The thing that people need to understand the horse racing authority will never admit that people are fixing because if they do then no one will go to races and spend money they will always cover it up
It's virtually impossible to rid horse racing of corruption, especially with being able to lay horses, if you're not too blantant, you will get away with it.
The corruption in horse racing is going to bring about it's demise. The track I attend in USA has an attendance of the people under the age of 50 is very slim. When they die off who will feed the pools for the corrupt??? Betting well after the start of a race is common place here. The ones that govern horse racing can only blame themselves when gates are closed.
Nothing unusual backing the outsider in a match race. A bookmaker bleating about a beaten favourite just about takes the cake, as they fill their pockets often enough when a favourite goes down.
You do know that only odds-on favourites should win more often than they lose? Most Evens favourites should lose (ie a better chance of losing than winning) let alone 2/1, 3/1 5/1 or 8/1 favourites etc.... And there are more races with odds-against favourites than odds-on favourites; therefore overall more favourites should lose than win. So it is only to be expected that a large number of favs are going to finish second.
@markchapman2933 That's kinda obvious dude,people should get away from the horses it will always be corrupt,Fallon was one of my heroes of the sport now I just think he's a class A bastard
@@markchapman2933An old Australian racing pundit was asked on radio, would he back a particular horse at 15/1 on. He replied, "Mate, I wouldn't take 15/1 on about the sun coming up tomorrow let alone on a horse!"
"head of the SAS" 😂🤣... Bet the Regiment loved watching this 😣...That guy looked like he'd have bother getting into a packet of Embassy cigarettes, never mind the Iranian one 🐐
Excellent journalistic investigation report by the BBC. We all know that horse racing is not an honest sport . Whether it's thoroughbred or standardbred horse racing, we all have the perception that this sport is very corrupt all over the world. It's the same perception as our politicians their mostly all dishonest and corrupt. I love betting on horse racing in Canada, I play the same set of numbers in every race , win or lose, I don't care about a racing program or handicapping a race. I play my set of numbers, it's like playing the lottery.
@@Househead1200 Strongest flat jockey ever in the saddle but the IQ of a cabbage. Despite all his shenanigans he got the O'Brien job and then lost that. Ryan Moore thinks he's good at stopping horses but he isn't in the same league as Fallon.
Wherever money is involved John, there will be some skulduggery. However, if racing was generally "bent" then each price / odds would not win the amount of times they are expected to. But they do. Also, just because a horse is a short price does not mean it will win and just because a horse is an outsider does not mean it will lose. In a two horse race where the odds compiler / market believes Horse A has a 75% chance (fair 1/3) will - once a bookies mark up is added - will be offered at not 1/3 but 30/100 (or if the race is harder to evaluate eg a Maiden with little form ton go on 2/7). If one is thought a 75% chance then the other one must have a 25% (fair 3/1) chance... And is offered @ 11/4 or (in a maiden etc) 5/2. You might think a 2/7 shot should win, but many favourites are 11/4 and have the same chance as this 11/4 shot. Vast majority of gamblers will not make an overall profit because of the bookmaker's mark up / overround. However, with sports betting nobody knows for certain what the fair chance is of each horse / team etc. It can only be opinion. if Racing was "bent" then people like me would not be able to make good overall profits without any inside information . ie Solely by studying form and evaluating that form into chance better than the odds compilers / market. It's not about backing the horse with the best chance of winning, but those whose chance is underestimated by the market. If believing any horse has a 25% (fair 3/1) chance I'll add a small margin for error and back it only if able to get 7/2 or bigger. If believing another has the worst chance of all the runners has a 3% (fair 33/1) chance I'll add a small margin for error and back it if available @ 50/1 or bigger.
The amount of people commenting because odds on shots are getting beat, honestly, price is a reflection of the chance someone gives a horse, therefore based on opinion not fact, price should be the last thing you look at. That would be if its value or not!
Everyone should now be aware that it has become relatively easy to make a digital recording of anyone saying anything... and now it has become pretty easy to 'doctor' digital video footage to show most anything someone wants it to. Film is quite a bit harder to alter! But digital is easy.
Don't be fooled its from the top to bottom back in 90s Brian wright ran the show so when one gets done another will continue simple its a closed shop ,Sex ,Drugs, Rocknroll
And what's your thoughts on the Honeysuckle race last week ? I haven't researched it myself but me Da reckons it was the slowest race in the history of that race but the fastest last furlong ir something.
Willie Carson telling Graham Bradley you did well....even though the Bradley was lying through his teeth...Carson said..i couldn't save you but he obviously went straight to the stewards to get the whole thing shut down. Close ranks, protect the industry. I suppose it's only natural to protect the industry you love. There's an obvious love of the horses and the game, but the whole industry wouldn't exist without betting and that means, there's so much money at stake, it's a bent industry, just like boxing. The bookies are also bent, completely, refusing payouts, they're just like casino's.
Because there are no consequences. If one of these punters that lost a good amount of coin would shoot a crooked jockey then the rest would think about it twice to lay another favorite down.
Very simple to presume the people involved with the mamood case werent shy of threatening people like execs of william hill with violence if they continued with theyre statement. Why would they tempt fate over a few quid fhats not effecting them directly
fixing jimmy was caught out and was as red as a turkeycock probably finished him off he was dead within 2 years after this aired he reacted as if he were guilty he should have remained calm that was the right reaction to make , forgive n forget jimmy!
who remembers the grey gatsy beating australia?it was said dat joseph o briens mount covered 19 extra lenghts by going wide and lost bya head:)every day the week u can watch races and see this happening.its just the high profile ones that are obvious.how bout the horse qualify winning the oaks.4rth string and 50 to 1 never did a ting since:)
Well i never ,i cant believe major bookmaking firms are making money by underhanded schemes,how can the great british legal system allow this. Its unbelievable how can the people at the top allow this,unless their getting a backhander
the only good thing apparently is about horse racing its apparent BIAST there seems to be too many tricks to with jockeys being banned or disqualified the only good outcome is about horse racing is simply do not bet on it
Jockeys are cheating every day especially at small tracks if you sit back and watch how they ride some of these favorites you can easily tell by the first turn if they are laying him down. I know a trainer at a local track in my hometown who confirmed to me that jockeys want to cheat too many times and its a problem.
@@cabalogia totally agree i know a iex jockey and he told him that his trainer said to him i make more money falling from the horses than wining a race
Referring to John Egan's case why would an owner give him a £20k bribe to have a horse lose when he could just tell the trainer to tell him to give it an easy ride.
If someone said to you, here have a free 2,000 balance and back any horse's you like and you dont have to pay the bet back, would any of you say No.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, the bookies did kick up holy hell, but at the same time, when they knew themselves a horse wasn't going to win, they never let the public know did they, so they quite happily let people back it. No difference sometimes. The jockeys should have been jailed though.
in theory any runner in a handicap can win whatever the market price says , but of course you do not have to be very clever towards rewatching after the race c/o the sporting life web site ., and if you spot what you believe is a crooked ? outcome then of course all you have to do is contact the racecourse stewards ? but a lot of races seems to be lost via poor judgement rather than otherwise ?
Ruby Walsh and Willie Mullins Cheltenham festival 2017. Not a single winner in the 1st 2 days then by Friday was top jockey and top trainer. Walsh couldn't even win on douvan FFS! Even rode him to the point of injury. Very very suspect that festival.
so true the only good thing apparently is about horse racing its apparent BIAST there seems to be too many tricks to with jockeys being banned or disqualified the only good outcome is about horse racing is simply do not bet on it
SPORT OF KINGS me bollocks Horse Racing was and is ROTTEN to the core owners trainers jockeys etc etc etc They are all in on it But they will never be exposed WHY? Because there is TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED
There's an awful lot of stating the obvious no-one has to bet but the enjoyment you get when you nail a winner is enormous whether it's inside information or not stop trying to be judge and jury where's there's corruption
+John O'brien I assume that was the Southwell race? lol If the general public can see how bent it is, then surely the BHA must see that, and the fact the public do nothing is mind boggling.
the problem is always higher up the stewards are obviously in on this too. in Australia there was a head greyhound steward caught swapping the urine samples of the greyhounds.
i can believe that les and if they have said that they stopped drugs on this.i don't believe it for one minute and while i bet for a living on football they do the same stuff here.another trick is to put weights in the jockey's pants so it will wear down the horse.
+Zenny Racing is no different from WWE wrestling, once you've watched it for a few years and watched 1000s of races you see the patterns, the same crap over and over again. once you've watched it for a few years like I say you know whether you have a "trier" straight after the jump.. if a jockey sticks his horse 4 horses wide half way down the pack at Wolverhampton... you know your fucked after a 100 yards.. just an example.
I think it's because if an owner/trainer bets a huge sum on a horse that has no chance in the race, the odds would be slashed on that horse which will then make it one of the 'favourites' which will result in lots of punters betting on it due to it being a 'favourite'. The bookies then get tons of money back once the horse doesn't win/place.
bookmakers scream like babys when they get stung, what about when their told a horse is not trying and they take the punters cash knowing the horse is dead ? and the low life jockeys, pulling them up, how many punters have been destroyed by both bookie and jockey?
What? Don't be daft. It's written in the rules of betting that there needs to be a chance of winning. If a bookie takes a bet on a dead horse the bet is void. ie Stakes are refunded. Every licensed bookie has that rule.
There must be a good reason for a jockey pulling up, otherwise the stewards will have his guts for girth. Jockeys are only allowed to pull a horse up if there is something wrong with the horse or has no chance of being in the places that affect prize money.
@@vm5954 True, many horses are at their best dropped out the back and coming with a late run. Every race I bet in I go through noting which horses need to lead, like to lead, race prominently, track pace, held up or dropped out. As in the wild. some horses are natural leaders and some are natural followers. Those that are dropped out usually have a history of racing that way or have something physically wrong with them that's caused them to drop back. Not many are there because they're being "stopped".
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Watching some of these more recent one's and this doc is old not only did Brian Wright get "inside information" which obviously isn't all it's cracked up to be as a horse can still lose a race even with said information, what he did do through bets from his crew was to "launder" his dirty drugs money buy getting his gang to bet the dirty cash and when he won it was returned "washed" in the form of new bills straight from the bank almost. So this doc just points to the tip of an iceberg as far as racing corruption goes. Still not bad. Unfortunately the BBC now only really produces reality trash and made up "historical drama". Serious investigative series like this have gone down the pan.
The follow up "Racings Dirty Secrets 2" is more relevant in terms of what Betfair brought to the table. The point about Wright was that the racing authorities (Jockey Club) turned a blind eye. Nowadays the BHA do exactly the same but spin it better.
Spot on!!!
I'm really glad Barney Curley fleeced the bookies on many occasions.. they'll never be another like him
Your glad there cheating
I once met a professional Jockey and his agent. They both told me that the game was "as bent as f**k".
The guilt was oozing out of Graham Bradley when collared by the panorama reporter
2023 and still goes on daily. dashing roger 10/1 into 2/1 fav last week. 9 rivals, the jockeys between them used the whip like 3 times. countless examples.
Only the very naive would say its not going on until this day.Of course its going on and happening every day.
I remember two jockeys that cheated on a regular basis .Jamie Osbourne would stop anything at a moments notice ,and another was Luke Harvey he would actually jump of a horse or make it fall he was so corrupt i never touched his horses he was so predictable .Harvey actually was so good at bringing down a horse that he was a stunt rider in the making of Braveheart the movie .but yes racing is more than corrupt it is more to suit the bookmaker they are the ones who profit from it they can buy any result they want.
I take it your skint 😂
Osborne had a Latent Talent for it.
Fallon's face when confronted ( Priceless )
His biggest farce ( Ballinger Ridge at Lingfield March 2004 ).
Had £1800 on at 4/6 that day. Fallon is a first class cxxt.
KERION FALLON WAS GUILTY OF ALL THE RACE FIXING
@@davidgladwin4954 except he wasn't was he. He was found not guilty at the Old Bailey.
A certain jockey was riding more than his trainers horses
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Except that he wasn't and that trainer ended up having to pay out that certain jockey for unfair dismissal, when the claim was that the trainer's wife had an affair with an unnamed jockey and that certain jockey denied that it was him.
Oh and just for good measure, at the time it was later revealed to have been discovered, the trainer's wife was in Ireland and the jockey in question was riding at Goodwood that day.
Dermot Browne swerved Browne's gazette at the start of the champion hurdle... Cost the horse 15 lengths...
This is the first time seeing this. very good.
Good lord that footage of Phelps and his PR Man explaining to him what to say during the interview is priceless. What a mess!
Racing does have it's problems and sometimes you can't just take things at face value. Trainers, Jockeys, Bookies aren't always above board imo.
They aren’t of course… but the board decides who and when “gets caught”.
If something looks extremely bent then they have to obviously take action…. Which at the most is a 2 month ban!!!
If they pull it off and it looks kinda bent but could be realistic…. There’s an excuse for that and everyone involved makes money.
They’re not above the board but are on the same team!
Bryan Carver jumped off the horse at the first hurdle last Saturday. And it is the most common Rigged style . Little crook Mr Carver.
It's just as we all thought racing is totally bent.. Money talks.
Only a small proportion of racing, and this is from some time ago too.
It's always Fallon.
Always
Browne saying he would do it anywhere it didn't matter the occasion even at Cheltenham reminds me of him whipping around at the start on Browns Gazzette
Every race is fixed the all weather shite out wins no one says a word
This refers to Kieren Fallon being on the verge of his 5th title which means this must be filmed in 2002 so it's 13 years old and referring to things in the 90s
26:15
In steps Willie Carson ... Sorry I couldn't save ya , you did the right thing .
I love the fact that this whole thing is bent . If it wasn't I would be loaded and money is all evil . Keep fixing races so i can rid my hard earned .
O'Brien's two in the 2000 Guineas were nobbled by the Bookies and nobody did anything about it. Even Aidan kept his mouth shut. Massive Asian money in the game now.
No chance they are horses not machines and the big Asian syndicates can make more money fixing football matches.
@@TracksuitDave Absolutely, as soon as a horse runs badly there's some who can say got at quick enough, horses are much more sterner tested these days, especially if they run way below expectations, plus the horse in question Augustine Rodin has won the Derby since.
As others have said, Bobby; horses are not machines, they can run poorly for many reasons. One of O'Brien's 2000 Guineas horses, Little Big Bear has always been thought of as a sprinter. The 2000 Guineas is over further - a mile. Therefore at the longer distance horses have to go slower in order to stay the distance. At that race distance and speed Little Big Bear predictably pulled hard (wanting to go faster) and had nothing left for the finish. If Little Big Bear had been "nobbled" he would not have recovered when just three weeks later won returned to sprint distances. In contrast his other 2000 runner Auguste Rodin had always looked a middle-distance horse in the making. ie Once he'd matured was likely to be a one and a quarter mile to mile and a half mile horse. As an immature horse / two year old a mile is a fair test of stamina and therefore Rodin was able to win at the top level at a mile..Whereas a mile at the age of three is not such a test. Rodin just did not have the speed to quicken. Had he been as you claim "nobbled" he would not have recovered in the month between Guineas and Derby. The Derby is one and a half times as far as the Guineas. Rodin won the Derby pretty easily. Indeed, when racing at a mile and a quarter in the Irish Champion Stakes connections made sure the pace was a very strong one in order to make it as much of a test of stamina at that trip as possible. Rodin won, but had it been only a mile like the Guineas it would've been too short a distance. Also, at the time of the Guineas trainer O'Brien's horses were generally not in anywhere near as good form as they were a month later in the Derby. So the fitness of the two horses (especially when considering it was first time out in the season for both) may not have been as good either.
O'Brien has been at it for years pitting his so called weaker horses against his first choice horses in the same race with his outsider usually coming out on top.And now today its one of his sons outside horses beating his hot favourite .They have the punters for mugs.
@@ukmeetthetyrantsisanARSEHOLE O'Brien wins with his "weaker" horses the number of times they can be expected to win. Say his first choice had an SP of 7/2 (something the market believes has a 20% chance of winning).... Now say there are four of his "weaker" horses running all at 14/1 (each one having around a 6% chance. With 4 X 6 = 24%). The market is actually saying the combined chance of the five "weaker" horses would statistically have a better chance than his "first choice". However, the number of times an outsider wins is exaggerated in your confirmation bias. Besides; if you're right "his outsider usually coming out on top"... Then it would be very simple. Don't know what you're complaining about. Just back the outsider and you'll be making loads of money in the long run!
Corruption in British horseracing? I wouldn't have it any other way.
thats why its better to gamble on the group races as its hard to believe they could be corrupted
lester piggot of course was always at his best in group races simply because he had a cut of the future , but no doubt lester lost a few as required ? be it via the owner , trainers instructions etc , lets not forget it costs a lot of money to buy and keep a horse in training so the money has to come from somewhere but i dont think bet fair laying losers is beneficial either ?
and bet on the Top 3 races (or all the Top races) at the Cheltenham Festival. Champion Hurdle, Champion Chase & Gold Cup. Every year I get one or two of the top 3 and one year I got all 3. They are the Top horses at the Festival and they "Are trying" Not like some poxy little £5,000 race at some little track.
+arthurV cat Not really. If a jockey is given a lot of money by gangsters as a teenager to pull horses and then rises up to be one of the most sort after jockeys in racing, the gangsters still have him in their pocket. They will have evidence on him and threaten to expose him unless he continues to pull horses at their behest - even if it is a Group 1 race (much more liquid markets so much more money for the criminals to make).
Also a top class jockey may have a massive gambling habit, running into £100s of £1000s, to the point even his wife kicks him out when she finds the credit cards maxed out. So the bookies phone the top class jockey and politely say "if you pull horse A in tomorrows Group 1 race, we will write off £x,000s of your debt owed to us".
If anyone thinks racing isn't rife with skulduggerry they either do not know the game very well or they are deluding themselves.
When the racing media pay retainers to jockeys that have been exposed as cheats on audio recoridngs, and the BHA do nothing about it then we have no hope.
Plus the people at the very top in racing, the ones with the real money, simply loath lower class people so couldn't give a flying f**k whether punters are swindled or not. Which is of course extremely disturbing as without punters and their hard earned, racing would revert to match races between rich land owners and/or farmers racing their horses around fields.
Racing is the biggest gravy train known to man, but the only one I can think of where the people funding it are treated with such disdain.
+CONSIDERABLYMORE1 Cant disagree with any of that. it took me 3 months to realise the game is bent and the treatment of the punters is pretty disgusting, they don't even try to hide the fact that their a bunch of cheating scum
some of the racing is so obviously set up its cringeworthy, the amount of times horses 2nd or 3rd in the market, well backed with mug money and they are caught wide at say Wolverhampton is ridiculous, some of them are drawn low and still get caught wide..
then there's the old chestnut of being "slowly away", and my personal favourite the good old bomb out in a 1m5f race and completely cook the horse and drop away at the 4 peg, only to come out nt and bolt up in a 1m race.
the dirtiness of horse racing knows no bounds and like I say they don't even try to make it subtle any-more, its a case of "not today son, hold it up right at the back and don't even bother riding a finish, unplace it and get its mark down"..
And the amount of times you see a race where you get one that's given a good lead (5-7l) and they don't even attempt to go after it is laughable as well, its like watching WWE wrestling.
The only way to stop getting angry about it and stop losing money is to stop betting on it. You'll feel much better for it.
Take some of the races recently, Southwell AW, I haven't seen one odds on shot win in the past month, all of them beat and 95% of them beat out of sight, a lot not even making the frame.
And you want to see a ride where they don't want to win, watch Kirby on Gabster, watch his win in the first of the same card and then watch that one, the difference is laughable, Gabster travels well, but he sticks it up the arse of a fading horse, gets into the clear switches outside, switches inside and loses a length.. never whipped it, just bounced up and down on it. contrast to the first where he's driving like a man possessed and whipping it every 2 strides.. disgusting sport, the sooner they blow the fucking tracks up the better.
Laying has made it even easier .
I would start with the tv tips panel as a easy way to root it out
All paid bookies men, and the women are either shagging a jockey or related in some weird nepotistic way ..
Very interesting stuff,I must've been on holiday when it was on telly,thanks.
Where there's money, there's corruption. It's a no-brainer that horse racing is corrupt. Of course it is.
"Just taking some horses for a nice wee run. If you like, Mr Ladbroke over there will give you some money for guessing which one is fastest. Listen, tell you what, in case you're a bit rubbish at this sort of thing, we'll even get some experts to tell you which one is usually the fastest. Make it nice and fair for you.".
Sounds legit.
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ive betted for along time and this has to be the dirtiest society of people ive ever seen in my life.everybody is lying except one man and he gets threaten on job lose.they most likely drug the horses and pull on braids to slow it down.
Most televised sports are rigged .
when big money is concerned yes its rigged,but players that know what they are doing.animals trust you to protect them and people reward them by nearly killing them.
The thing that people need to understand the horse racing authority will never admit that people are fixing because if they do then no one will go to races and spend money they will always cover it up
Same with corruption in boxing scorecards too mate. And nothing seems to get done about either
Thank you from Manhattan ©2024
It's virtually impossible to rid horse racing of corruption, especially with being able to lay horses, if you're not too blantant, you will get away with it.
Wherever there is money involved there will be some corruption. It is the same as any business.
The corruption in horse racing is going to bring about it's demise. The track I attend in USA has an attendance of the people under the age of 50 is very slim. When they die off who will feed the pools for the corrupt??? Betting well after the start of a race is common place here. The ones that govern horse racing can only blame themselves when gates are closed.
Sadly that is 100% correct
Liked the text at the re large action and especially brownes gazette.
Nothing unusual backing the outsider in a match race. A bookmaker bleating about a beaten favourite just about takes the cake, as they fill their pockets often enough when a favourite goes down.
Why does people think every horse race is run straight I don't think so people in horse racing will not tell you anything that's corrupt?
Jockeys and trainers well i never,they look so smart and honest people,ive just nearly choked on my lager shandy at that last remark
This program was aired in 2008, by 2012 the BBC lost it's coverage of Horse racing?
Racing is full of dirty, laundered, money drug dealing being the main one.
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This interview of jimmy is my fav more so than when he won the Gold Cup! more entertaining
Most shocking revelation of all was discovering Phipps once led the SAS The mind boggles
if horse racing wasnt fixed i wouldnt make thousands per day nor have the worlds most powerful racing selection method.
The whole game is bent
"Doping has virtually been eliminated from the sport" Haha best quote of the documentary. Absolutely no fucking chance
I have never understood as to why Trainers are allowed to bet.
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Its took me years to kick the bookies, my gran always said (only one winner and that's the bookies)
I haven't had a bet in 4 years now,but if I had a tenner for every favourite that finished second I would be a rich man..
You do know that only odds-on favourites should win more often than they lose? Most Evens favourites should lose (ie a better chance of losing than winning) let alone 2/1, 3/1 5/1 or 8/1 favourites etc.... And there are more races with odds-against favourites than odds-on favourites; therefore overall more favourites should lose than win. So it is only to be expected that a large number of favs are going to finish second.
@markchapman2933 That's kinda obvious dude,people should get away from the horses it will always be corrupt,Fallon was one of my heroes of the sport now I just think he's a class A bastard
@@markchapman2933what a useless comment, why even bother writing all that poo out? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@markchapman2933did you know that during the day time the sky is blue? Also when it rains, the ground gets wet?
@@markchapman2933An old Australian racing pundit was asked on radio, would he back a particular horse at 15/1 on. He replied, "Mate, I wouldn't take 15/1 on about the sun coming up tomorrow let alone on a horse!"
"head of the SAS" 😂🤣... Bet the Regiment loved watching this 😣...That guy looked like he'd have bother getting into a packet of Embassy cigarettes, never mind the Iranian one 🐐
The more money involved in life, you will find bent practices.
The face on fallon when he was confronted 🤣
Excellent journalistic investigation report by the BBC. We all know that horse racing is not an honest sport . Whether it's thoroughbred or standardbred horse racing, we all have the perception that this sport is very corrupt all over the world. It's the same perception as our politicians their mostly all dishonest and corrupt. I love betting on horse racing in Canada, I play the same set of numbers in every race , win or lose, I don't care about a racing program or handicapping a race. I play my set of numbers, it's like playing the lottery.
just think what they do to these horses to slowem up and down.thats how the mob killed pharlap.
22:56 you can always trust a "news" program with this soundtrack.
OBAMAhopeless. Gutless pos$$$$$$
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Met Kieren at an Easons book signing in Dublin a few years back . An absolute gent ! Read his book and and you will see his version of events.
The single most crooked flat rider ever. All the old hands in the shop said the same.
The definition of a flawed genius was Fallon.
@@Househead1200 Strongest flat jockey ever in the saddle but the IQ of a cabbage. Despite all his shenanigans he got the O'Brien job and then lost that. Ryan Moore thinks he's good at stopping horses but he isn't in the same league as Fallon.
hats off to Roger Buffham..
Still bent now the racing world is totally corrupt full of non triers and crooked jockeys it’s so shock I’m only betting on bent football now
Wherever money is involved John, there will be some skulduggery. However, if racing was generally "bent" then each price / odds would not win the amount of times they are expected to. But they do. Also, just because a horse is a short price does not mean it will win and just because a horse is an outsider does not mean it will lose. In a two horse race where the odds compiler / market believes Horse A has a 75% chance (fair 1/3) will - once a bookies mark up is added - will be offered at not 1/3 but 30/100 (or if the race is harder to evaluate eg a Maiden with little form ton go on 2/7). If one is thought a 75% chance then the other one must have a 25% (fair 3/1) chance... And is offered @ 11/4 or (in a maiden etc) 5/2. You might think a 2/7 shot should win, but many favourites are 11/4 and have the same chance as this 11/4 shot.
Vast majority of gamblers will not make an overall profit because of the bookmaker's mark up / overround. However, with sports betting nobody knows for certain what the fair chance is of each horse / team etc. It can only be opinion. if Racing was "bent" then people like me would not be able to make good overall profits without any inside information . ie Solely by studying form and evaluating that form into chance better than the odds compilers / market. It's not about backing the horse with the best chance of winning, but those whose chance is underestimated by the market. If believing any horse has a 25% (fair 3/1) chance I'll add a small margin for error and back it only if able to get 7/2 or bigger. If believing another has the worst chance of all the runners has a 3% (fair 33/1) chance I'll add a small margin for error and back it if available @ 50/1 or bigger.
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‘And Graham Bradley has pulled up Man Mood’!
The amount of people commenting because odds on shots are getting beat, honestly, price is a reflection of the chance someone gives a horse, therefore based on opinion not fact, price should be the last thing you look at. That would be if its value or not!
Everyone should now be aware that it has become relatively easy to make a digital recording of anyone saying anything... and now it has become pretty easy to 'doctor' digital video footage to show most anything someone wants it to. Film is quite a bit harder to alter! But digital is easy.
Piss off
the real star of the show is general phipps :p love the way they just froze it and it fades into silence hilarious
With Victor Chandler or any other Victor Chandler 😅
that's why he gets irrate instead of talking
Jimmy Fitz was not a bloke to tangle with 🤣.
Don't be fooled its from the top to bottom back in 90s Brian wright ran the show so when one gets done another will continue simple its a closed shop ,Sex ,Drugs, Rocknroll
And what's your thoughts on the Honeysuckle race last week ? I haven't researched it myself but me Da reckons it was the slowest race in the history of that race but the fastest last furlong ir something.
So not only is racing bent its also complicate in laundering money. It makes sense now that every 150/1 horse ive done lost
Simon Bazalgette, became the new CEO of the Jockey Club in 2008 the same year as this was televised?
Interesting chap is Baz
Wee wullie Carson putting in his tuppence worth there.he was another little crook
You skint aswell 😂
@@1DuckyTSByou in denial too
Willie Carson telling Graham Bradley you did well....even though the Bradley was lying through his teeth...Carson said..i couldn't save you but he obviously went straight to the stewards to get the whole thing shut down. Close ranks, protect the industry. I suppose it's only natural to protect the industry you love. There's an obvious love of the horses and the game, but the whole industry wouldn't exist without betting and that means, there's so much money at stake, it's a bent industry, just like boxing. The bookies are also bent, completely, refusing payouts, they're just like casino's.
ALL BOOKMAKERS ARE BENT
ITS FACT
A 4 t 7...4t 6.shot getting beat off a 16...25 t 1 shot on paper should be impossible.. HAPPENS DAILY
Because there are no consequences. If one of these punters that lost a good amount of coin would shoot a crooked jockey then the rest would think about it twice to lay another favorite down.
@@cabalogia another one yesterday Hollie Doyle 8 t 13 / 4 t 7
Shot beat off a 50 t 1. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The horse doesn't know what odds it's running at
It's the same with corruption in football-large amounts of money and greedy humans will _never_ be a recipe for fairness !
It is time it was finished.The talented and skilled jockeys/trainers are a thing of the past. The game has become dangerous and corrupt .
Very simple to presume the people involved with the mamood case werent shy of threatening people like execs of william hill with violence if they continued with theyre statement. Why would they tempt fate over a few quid fhats not effecting them directly
Even Willie carlson was in on it
Course he was and a freind of the queen .
what was the original air date of this?
fixing jimmy was caught out and was as red as a turkeycock probably finished him off he was dead within 2 years after this aired he reacted as if he were guilty he should have remained calm that was the right reaction to make , forgive n forget jimmy!
who remembers the grey gatsy beating australia?it was said dat joseph o briens mount covered 19 extra lenghts by going wide and lost bya head:)every day the week u can watch races and see this happening.its just the high profile ones that are obvious.how bout the horse qualify winning the oaks.4rth string and 50 to 1 never did a ting since:)
Well i never ,i cant believe major bookmaking firms are making money by underhanded schemes,how can the great british legal system allow this. Its unbelievable how can the people at the top allow this,unless their getting a backhander
the only good thing apparently is about horse racing its apparent BIAST there seems to be too many tricks to with jockeys being banned or disqualified the only good outcome is about horse racing is simply do not bet on it
Jockeys are cheating every day especially at small tracks if you sit back and watch how they ride some of these favorites you can easily tell by the first turn if they are laying him down. I know a trainer at a local track in my hometown who confirmed to me that jockeys want to cheat too many times and its a problem.
@@cabalogia totally agree i know a iex jockey and he told him that his trainer said to him i make more money falling from the horses than wining a race
Great postscripts. He "retired ... to launch a career as an inanimate object". Ouch !!
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so fitzgerald did lie haha what a fiddle
Nigel troth the the one that got away.. All piss in the same pot all that glitters aint gold...
Corrupt or otherwise the end result of this "game" is, Bookmakers don't live in Council Houses, it's no wonder that many Punters do...
Canada Bob
We got a bookie here in Ireland that calls his place mugs mansion
Referring to John Egan's case why would an owner give him a £20k bribe to have a horse lose when he could just tell the trainer to tell him to give it an easy ride.
Christopher Foster Bent AF !!!
If someone said to you, here have a free 2,000 balance and back any horse's you like and you dont have to pay the bet back, would any of you say No.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not if I was connected with horse racing in a professional capacity, absolutely not!!
Yeah, the bookies did kick up holy hell, but at the same time, when they knew themselves a horse wasn't going to win, they never let the public know did they, so they quite happily let people back it. No difference sometimes. The jockeys should have been jailed though.
Who were the two champion hurdlers from the 80s that Wright alleges to have stopped?
Large Action and Brownes Gazzette are the two that I know about
@@TracksuitDave 97 I take it for Large Action?
Watch from start for 90 seconds ruclips.net/video/-75NOtXc9xk/видео.html
Yes Large Action inexplicably pulled up, in the 1997 contest. The jockey riding him Jaime Osbourne was corrupt as they come
Simple don't have a bet
Tracksuit Dave? The guy who goes Lingfield all the time? Yee Haa
Corrupt to the core it is , always has been and always will be , end of lesson
Pony racing is corrupt as well here in Ireland as well.
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in theory any runner in a handicap can win whatever the market price says , but of course you do not have to be very clever towards rewatching after the race c/o the sporting life web site ., and if you spot what you believe is a crooked ? outcome then of course all you have to do is contact the racecourse stewards ? but a lot of races seems to be lost via poor judgement rather than otherwise ?
Ruby Walsh and Willie Mullins Cheltenham festival 2017. Not a single winner in the 1st 2 days then by Friday was top jockey and top trainer. Walsh couldn't even win on douvan FFS! Even rode him to the point of injury. Very very suspect that festival.
Oh yeah that must have been bent that .
YOU ABSOLUTE IDIOT .
Nothink has changed today
so true the only good thing apparently is about horse racing its apparent BIAST there seems to be too many tricks to with jockeys being banned or disqualified the only good outcome is about horse racing is simply do not bet on it
And nothing ever will
SPORT OF KINGS me bollocks
Horse Racing was and is ROTTEN to the core
owners trainers jockeys etc etc etc They are all in on it But they will never be exposed
WHY? Because there is TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED
There's an awful lot of stating the obvious no-one has to bet but the enjoyment you get when you nail a winner is enormous whether it's inside information or not stop trying to be judge and jury where's there's corruption
How old is this programme? Brian Wright was jailed for 30 years in April 2007
John Egan is still fucking crooked
+John O'brien A fucking bent fucker , the little old bollix
+slaneysider yes bollocking yes
+John O'brien I assume that was the Southwell race? lol
If the general public can see how bent it is, then surely the BHA must see that, and the fact the public do nothing is mind boggling.
+Eddie Jones every race he rides in loop
He's a good little boy for his masters no doubt about it.
the problem is always higher up the stewards are obviously in on this too. in Australia there was a head greyhound steward caught swapping the urine samples of the greyhounds.
i can believe that les and if they have said that they stopped drugs on this.i don't believe it for one minute and while i bet for a living on football they do the same stuff here.another trick is to put weights in the jockey's pants so it will wear down the horse.
Willie carsan is one of them
Really Horse raceing is crrupt they are looting punters. thanks to Trachsuit Dave for uploading.
I don't get how a bookmaker asking a trainer or owner to bet on a horse is fixing, new to this sort of thing so any info would be great
+Zenny Racing is no different from WWE wrestling, once you've watched it for a few years and watched 1000s of races you see the patterns, the same crap over and over again. once you've watched it for a few years like I say you know whether you have a "trier" straight after the jump.. if a jockey sticks his horse 4 horses wide half way down the pack at Wolverhampton... you know your fucked after a 100 yards.. just an example.
I think it's because if an owner/trainer bets a huge sum on a horse that has no chance in the race, the odds would be slashed on that horse which will then make it one of the 'favourites' which will result in lots of punters betting on it due to it being a 'favourite'. The bookies then get tons of money back once the horse doesn't win/place.
bookmakers scream like babys when they get stung, what about when their told a horse is not trying and they take the punters cash knowing the horse is dead ? and the low life jockeys, pulling them up, how many punters have been destroyed by both bookie and jockey?
What? Don't be daft.
It's written in the rules of betting that there needs to be a chance of winning.
If a bookie takes a bet on a dead horse the bet is void. ie Stakes are refunded.
Every licensed bookie has that rule.
There must be a good reason for a jockey pulling up, otherwise the stewards will have his guts for girth.
Jockeys are only allowed to pull a horse up if there is something wrong with the horse or has no chance of being in the places that affect prize money.
unusually off the pace is a sign
@@vm5954 True, many horses are at their best dropped out the back and coming with a late run. Every race I bet in I go through noting which horses need to lead, like to lead, race prominently, track pace, held up or dropped out. As in the wild. some horses are natural leaders and some are natural followers. Those that are dropped out usually have a history of racing that way or have something physically wrong with them that's caused them to drop back. Not many are there because they're being "stopped".
Is a "dead" horse one that cannot or will not win ?