I completely agree. This is the same mindset that allows gw to keep doing that. Consume don't ask questions and consume again. That's the kind of thinking that has ruined it for a lot of players that can't afford the hobby anymore
🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓* (🔮 "Well...then I couldn't have made this *_Video,_* could I (❔)
Remember: we are under no obligation to play by Games Workshop's corporate policies. Keep proxying, house-ruling, sticking to older editions, 3D-print, buy third-party, convert, borrow, lend, etc. etc. etc. We aren't just "consumers", we are HOBBYISTS.
Love 40k, hate GW. Bought a 3D printer this year and it's been much cheaper than buying an army and also let me branch out into other armies more easily since I can just print off better models than what GW makes cheaper. 3D print, use OPR or other systems (including prior editions), buy from other hobbyists, get better paints at half the price, GW shouldn't get a penny.
Me and my group just keep playing our old stuff regardless. Sometimes that will be just playing an older editions rules, sometimes it's just as proxies. The greatest trick GW ever pulled was convincing non-tourny players they had to buy newer editions of rules/army books. Remember folks, once you own the models and the books the hobbie is yours, not GWs
Neat. Of course that requires everyone to agree on what to play. For me, when Fantasy 8th died, everybody in my orbit moved to 9th Age. I had no interest in 9th Age. I just wanted to either keep playing 8th or get into (new) Age of Sigmar. No one else did so I left the hobby.
Yup use the rules you have or support other smaller companies who listen to you I have 40k third edition and support OPR for over 4 years now they actually listen to their customers from a rules perspective and ask for feedback every now and then.
🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓* ~&~ 3D Print an Entire (not-exactly~Legal) LOTRs Army instead (❔) (🔮 "Well.....then I couldn't make this *_Video,_* could I (❔)
Games Workshop has successfully made me play other miniature games, so my friends who play Warmachine now have a comrade in arms for their nearly dead game. Best investment ever - the game rules are free online, loads of miniatures are available cheaply online, and the newest rules include some really nice new resin minis! Best of all, no one will be taking these away, and Warmachine has rules for all legacy miniatures (though their balance might be a bit off).
@@willpenn966 The funny part is Privater Press (The GW of Warmachine) did the same a year ago with a lot of models. If you play Tempest Gun Mages you will understand it. ^^U.
You don't have to care about "unoficial stuff" unless you are in a games workshop shop, or your local club/shop for some reason has that rule of only official minis. For the rest, as long as its a painted army, I would love to play with anyone.
would be awesome to bring your custom stuff to the local place just to talk to the guy and say hey i have a board in the car, wanna go to the park and do nerd stuff? the shop guy would be so fkin puzzled xD
As a historical gamer I’ve always found the slavish devotion linking to a particular range of figures to a specific game rather strange, more so when the “official” figures are so expensive. I watched your video on using proxy figures which seemed entirely sensible, indeed I said so in the comments. Yes by all means buy official characters etc. but rank and file buy cheaper substitutes if available. Sadly it seems that Games Workshop is behaving like the public ally listed company it is, where profit comes before all else, and not a company that genuinely looks after its customers. The solution is simple - buy proxy models,
I would have suggested playing miniatures-agnostic games like Frostgrave, Stargrave or Oathmark (for Fantasy/SCI-FI only, of course). I think historical players have a healthier choice, though someone can correct me if I'm talking nonsense. For me, it takes a lot of stress away when I know that I only need readable characters, not the right ones.
@@derultimativenachahmer74 Historics are cheaper and one of the things that fantasy ranges often have issues with is clutter. The figures are loaded with junk, useless belts that hold nothing, clothing longer on one side, random bits of chainmail. That's what I liked about the Middle Earth fantasy battle figures when they came out, they were closely aligned to the LOTR films so the clothing and weapons made sense given that the films' prop designers put actual thought into what did what and why. While I'm rabitting on, one of the dumbest things about the later Space Marine ranges is all the loincloths hanging down to ground level. They're over done and don't look like religious clothing, they just make the figures look clunky.
This shit definitely isn't new. 'What? You spent $1000 dollars on minis just for us to invent the Primaris and make everything you've bought pointless JUST so you have to buy ANOTHER army????'
So glad they did, I absolutely love the newer marines far far far more. Started recently so I get to enjoy new tyrranids as well. Glad I didn't start sooner. That is also why you shouldn't chase the meta or anything that keeps changing really. Pick an addition and stick with the base of what is released, expanding into new additions is your own choice. It is the price for not being stagnant/stationary.
Is that really that different from bringing your iron landlord to Star Wars Monopoly and expecting it to fly? They made a new version of the game but the old one is still perfectly playable. It's not like official tournaments are the only avenues of play.
@@pancakemogul LMAO live where I do and you won't be saying that. only 13 players in my town and they're always in a league (only way to guarantee getting a game). Every 4 months I try to get anyone to play narrative or casual, doesn't work. So I don't have a hobby anymore because standing on 5 circles of dirt for 5 turns in perpetual MDF ruins, set up the same way every time is nothing I can be bothered to play.
@@brycedery9596 Make friends, talk to those people possibly and find someone that may have a similar willingness. Correct answer like his doesn't mean it will necessarily apply for everyone. Too many unique situations to account for.
There are many ways to make "business sense". GW always always chooses the super greedy one. Unless mandated from outside license holder, there was no reason to nerf any figures. Most likely most new players would go for the new stuff that is available, but there is no need to punish old players with wast armies or people up for a big conversion challenge. As a company you could just have announced the models would no longer be in production. Its the perfect way to push the older players out, that should be the ones welcoming the new. But business never thinks like that, just we can sell more new stuff.
My Deathwatch, Stormcast, and entire WH Underworlds collection... 'Snap' Gone. If I hadn't already moved to better rulesets for my minis (Warsurge, OPR) and printing because of the crap rules and continually rising costs, I would be unbelievably pissed off. As it stands, my break to wait for better rules, is now a permanent "walk away". Whatever modern GW is, it can get F'ed.
Agreed. Modern GW is not a good company to support, and both of their flagship games feature outdated and plainly unfun rules. There's so many great 28mm, 15mm, 6 and 8mm game systems out there, I recommend you buy the miniatures you like the most and go from there. I've got some undead japanese samurai types that form the basis of my army or warband or squad in almost every fantasy setting I play, and I'm looking at 3d printing something similar for scifi if I ever find a decent gaming group around me. For now, I mostly ogle terrain on the 3d printing websites, because that's what I really love.
As a historical gamer, I don’t even understand how players allow GW to impose new rules when these don’t improve game play. Historical game designers interact extensively with players to see what aspects they dislike and then playtest any changes before making them official in a new edition.
It’s definitely transparency that left us ticked off , they said one thing is leaving but then something else in the same boat is staying ? Doesn’t make sense . Then comes the stock issue because everyone buying the minis you can’t get them within the a day of the article, they should come out that all those models will be on made to order for at least a year . Found the dundland army video was great and be exactly what I’ll be doing to fill up the ranks with the new box .
You absolutely can. Best thing is to find an existing army in the system that looks like it represents what you have, then you can customise a few units if you need to. Plus the units in different armies tend to copy across pretty well anyway, so if you find something you like rules-wise in a _different_ army, you can use those rules for something in _your_ army, and it should work fine (like, for instance, using the rules for a big Alien Hives monster to represent a model in your Orc army).
I'm a old guy, and after marriage and 4 kids I am back to gaming after almost 25 years break. I only proxy figs or play miniatures agnostic games. My history is I played the original single book hard copies of fantasy and 40k. I went a little past those but rejected from the GW economy. Saying that, I truly feel you man.
This is why I don't care about the games they make, I play OPR. It's easier, more fun, you can non-agnostic miniatures, and most importantly.... you don't get rules and points changes every-fucking-week.
Yup and when OPR does change things you don't need to rebuy everything a couple years later. OPR since 2020 one of the best companies as they will listen to us and ask for feedback
Ive been into warhammer since 1991, im 43 now. I just couldnt keep up with the rules and editions releases, the erratas. Now the only GW game I enjoy on the table top is Mordheim. I am still a commission painter though, Ive been doing that for 10 years now.
I only decided to jump into Middle Earth this month, mainly because I want to paint the minis, but I've discovered just how beloved the rules of the game are. After playing 40k since '87 I find it now to be a game I don't enjoy, so I'm massively keen to get rolling with the new starter set soon. It's a shame about the removals, but I would say to keep playing your minis. Legacy isn't a problem if you're not doing official GW tournaments, but I do get that it saps the joy of collecting sometimes. Anyway, more Middle Earth content from you is always welcome, keep painting buddy.
Fun fact: Games Workshop isn't the only wargaming company out there. Play agnostic games, support competition against Games Workshop if you want them to improve
If miniatures aren’t good for the life of the game then they are a phenomenally bad time and money investment. The deal was always “we know it’s a big investment but you can enjoy these models for as long as you play the game”. That implicit promise is broken now.
No, no it's actually not, if you already got the army, you can still play it, there's noone coming to your home, to trash your place and take the minis you got away from you.
As another person who had started a dunlending army i feel you. My play group doesnt care and we plan to use legacy rules. But I am grateful i had proxied most of my list anyway
As an AoS Beastmen player, I hear you. My entire collection will be officially unplayable come the next edition. I can only suggest you either try proxying your models (I plan to use my Beasts as Slaves to Darkness, for example), and/or try alternative games with your minis. One Page Rules is a popular choice at the moment!
After what they did to the Beastmen I just bought a 6th edition rule book and hunkered down. If they release some Old World stuff I like I'll pick it up (as well as the rules if I ever get some games in) but I'm prepared to keep my army in whatever edition let's them play including OPR, etc.
As someone who has been in and out of the hobby for 21 or 22 years now welcome to the club. I stopped supporting GW outside of Warhammer lore in 2020 and just print stuff now and support really great creators. I have third edition 40k at home with most of the codexs (can get ang and all online or as a PDF anyway) i also use OPR. Like many in the comments seem to be saying 3d print and use the rules tou like
Notice how the fans went rabid when GW added female Custodes because "You can't just retcon the entire lore to add something in". Yet they were perfectly happy for GW to retcon the lore to add or change facts so that they could make the players buy new miniatures and have to rebuild their armies all over again 🤷♂
As an active warhammer player with 25 years of experience. My suggestion to anyone new. Don't. Do not get into warhammer. If you want to read the novels, sure, but there's other things out there that are also good. If you want to paint, there's so much other better things to paint. And do not get it to play the game. There's simply better things out there in so many ways. For me, this is a sunken cost fallacy problem. But for you, it doesn't have to be. Just, don't.
GW does not see the writing on the wall. 3D printing is the future of miniatures. So you have the producers of STL and you can buy these and produce the amount you need. Or you buy the design and ask a company to print it for you. GW is slowly vanishing into history.
I couldn’t afford a full 3d printer by myself and all of the wash and cure stations and supplies. But I do have hobby friends… that don’t have wives and families. So I could offer to contribute $200ish to help them buy a printer. And that allows me to buy files on a shared myminifactory account to print off what we want. Use your contacts and make a 3d printing community.
I have been playing since 1986, my first 40k army was space slann, I had spent all my pocket money, and my birthday presents and Christmas for a year building it and painting it, the whole army was dropped, so I sold it for a fraction of the cost, to start up Squats, put 1000s of hours into painting that army, that army also got removed, got pretty fed up with 40k, sold my Squats and went back over to fantasy, put everything into building up a huge Kislev force, and a Chaos Dwarf army, and then those armys were scrapped, I literally had 2 models left to paint for a 4k army of Kislev. . Rage quit GW for a long while after that, then decided to get back into 40k with Black Templars, as there was the ability to swap assault marines bolt pistols for storm shields, I loved the idea of flying sword and shield space marines, so built up 30 of them as a core of a new army, sadly that option was removed, so I would have had to hack off 30 storm shields, which had cost a lot to buy from ebay, as GW didn't sell seperate storm shields, so I just sold the models in stead, I Picked up a leviathan dread, Chaplain dread and daredeo dread to fill in the gap in the army, they all went to legends. . . Rather than buying anything else, I just sold the whole army, I picked up the recent Deathwing army set, as I figured Terminators haven't really changed since Rogue trader, hoping to get a good few years out of this army.
Historicals is a good option. There is WWII for instance and even alternative history WWII like Konflikt 47. Or the various medieval and ancient games out there.
3D printing and OPR will be the death of miniature companies like GW that aren't willing to get with the times. Blockbuster Vs Netflix is a prime example.
Im an orks player from 8th edition.... do you have ANY IDEA how many grot tanks i have that dont have datasheets now? Looted tanks? Named characters? It sucks so much
as someone who can't afford minis bc of country I live in most of them time I just team up with 5 people and go on ebay auctions and bid for something we like, if it's painted and I like it then cool, if not I remove paint and do it over again, and as such we (my friend group) don't play official tournaments or something so our armies that got "removed" are just still here, we will still play with them, why should I spend my monthly income just to make new rohan/wildlings army, my point if you enjoy hobby with friends this "removing" almost means nothing
I feel like Legacy/Legends rules should become more accepted, even if you don't have a local gaming group aside from the local Games Workshop. It should also be more accepted to just play with rules from an older Edition of the game, if both parties agree on it/build their list around it - because while Legends/Legacy units won't be updated by GW in any game, it's still their models, that they produced, so hardly any store keeper can prohibit you from taking them to a local game, if they're a 100% original model. Wheras GW as a company should also do an archive of older edition rules on their website. Heck, even if they sell it online/as a hardcover for order for a reasonable prize I also wouldn't mind, but that way they'd also prevent people from showing up with fan-edited wikis like Wahapedia for their rules on older editions. But given that buisiness doesn't always mean that something should make sense, hard to tell if they'd go that step. That would also help to make people take Legends/Legacy unit profiles more serious, because then there's no fear that they'd be gone forever at some point.
You make a very good point. I guess the caveat is that in a few years time the legacy rules will be outdated versus the newer miniatures, so can you truly have a fair tournament or friendly battle if you are using them.
Then we will update them. These armies won't go away for this edition for sure. The online community has never been better so no worries @@esotabletop
I literally looked at these models last week and thought "they are due for a resculpt." Same reason I won't buy Blood angels assault terminators(even though terminators are my fav space marines). It was murphy's law that this happened the day after you throw down cash.
And with it the end of gaming stores, I guess we all will have to make peace with having to put up with our friends families and wives since 3d printing will kill the brick and mortar stores.
And with it the end of gaming stores, I guess we all will have to make peace with having to put up with our friends families and wives since 3d printing will kill the brick and mortar stores.
Yeah it's disgusting. - 1st I got screwed by fantasy coming to an end for AoS. - Next my Beasts of Chaos got canned from AoS - Then my Deathwatch got removed from game pretty much. 3d printers and proxying is so important. Unless you play at a GW store there is no need to use their minis, or if you have some minis of theirs you love, just use them as something else. I do everything I can to not directly give GW minis. I have more to say but I've said it so many times on comments before I can't be bothered to go on.
5:13 they aren't finecast miniatures, they are Forgeworld Resin, completly different materials and casting processes. Dunland has no finecast miniatures nor did it ever.
Virtually everything you said is wrong. Pick an edition and pick an edition or game and play it. Stop letting Games Workshop control you. Use your mini and forget the latest cash grab from the crooks
Except it’s getting other people to play that edition you like and for many a causal gamer to walk into a store and say let’s play 4th edition WHFB is going to be difficult
All they had to do is say that your legacy figures are another faction under the same army umbrella, and adhere to the existing stats/rules, then add the new models to the army. Making any hero models interchangeable but under any new stats dictated by the update. There's really no need to scupper a whole army.
GW's practices of marketing and supply have been awful over the last decade. The line, "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products" is on point. Creating artificial demand through limited supply, stopping rules support for old models, website queues, and the fear of missing out are all prominent strategies. They want you to purchase impulsively. As a group that his pigeon holed themselves into the box of a "miniature company," there is no easy way for them to combat 3d printing. Instead, they get their customer base excited and push for them spend on the next thing while quietly putting the old out to pasture.
The thing with historical wargaming is that nobody can hold a copyright over something like the concept of Vikings and Saxons, Romans and Celts, etc. Literally I don't see why people are still so drugged up on fantasy products, specially those owned by massive corporations like GW. (Not saying fantasy is bad, it's just that I find the historical wargaming communities way less stressful in these terms and are provided with hundreds if not thousands of different products from different companies and places all compatible with eachother)
Yeah, nobody owns the rights to Napoleonics, WW2 or the Crusades. A little metal or plastic knight will always be a viable little plastic knight for a non GW game.
I'm avoiding this situation by just starting with OPR. Biggest issue I'm having is finding good miniatures. Unlike tabletop rpgs, there's not a lot of Warhammer wargame minis that are designed for FDM printers, just resin printers. I'm looking into getting a resin printer, but I need to figure out the space situation first.
Cultist3D for free to cheap (with supports to without everything included) or Myminifactory for cheap to fair (all professionally supported Prints) My used Printer cost me 180 euros with a Washing Station and all the Accessories. He stands in front of the Window and a Fan blows on it because I have a pretty small Apartment. Hint: Water washable Resin smells much less.
Hardest thing about this though is that you can go play with them local, with the old good rules set. Their first rules set was fire in a cup. One of their best rules sets ever produced.
the fact that you can proxy the entire army with proxies that look just as good for 90% less is exactly why people are moving away from Games workshop.
Yes, this happened to me with 40K several times over the last 30 years, frustrating when they change the rules so much that what you have collected and painted is mostly useless. Use the old rules or One Page Rules instead.
Dude is upset that the most generic viking army I've ever seen, that I've never heard of despite reading the LotR books and watching the movies, is being discontinued. He was probably the only person who bought it. Bad luck, my guy, get better taste.
Retired=future collectable. Get a group together that ignores the "update" and lets every unit they have sold continue to participate. If they need upgrades to equal the new units, then make them competitive. That fixes the problem. If it is a global problem, there should be plenty of people in the same boat.
>Proxies entire army to try to avoid spending money unnecessarily >Spends time and money on the proxy >Decides to go for the official version >Spends more time and A LOT MORE money on the official version >Entire army gets squatted >Quite reasonably gets upset about it >Some rando on RUclips thinks he can make a "clever" takedown comment Stop defending corporations, my dude. They'll let you down at some point.
This is why I think home games that are Unsponsored are WAAAAY better IMO. You can homebrew everything with your organizer to still play with removed Minis
First...yes it's absolutely okay to be upset about this. Personally I'm not happy about it myself. I wish that GW would at least offer a "made to order" service like Reaper Miniatures does for older metal models that don't sell well. Yeah you'll have to wait a bit to get them, but you can still order them. GW already has the molds, they're not losing money by doing this. As for rules... that's the issue. Reaper can do this because they mostly make generic rpg minis, and they're not tied to a rule set. So there's no point in GW offering anything for sale if there's no rules, despite a lot of us just wanting these minis to paint and collect. That said, I think the Dunland army will be okay. I wouldn't doubt if some new version of the horsemen becomes available and the old Dunland hereos could be used as generic captains and such. It's not perfect but it's a solution that most of the other armies don't have. Unless you're in a competitive event, I doubt anyone would care if you're using them as proxies, especially if they're GW minis. I'm worried that my Rangers of the North army is done for, myself.
They look like they could be used for One Page Rules quick&easy. Also few other nice skirmish games like sword weirdos, deth wizards (for heroes), oathmark or even fast and easy one hour skirmish. Loooots of options! Just do this step and find store that would allow you to play something else than GW stuff ( or create place with friends)and you win. Great content - many thx.
First time? This has happened to me like 2 and a half times. (old school orcs and goblins, old school wood elves,(before I knew old world was coming) and a chunk of my Stormcast) I've look at modern 40k and found out several of my orks aren't in the game anymore.
40k used to look like a decent squad level skirmish game with mostly infantry. Now there's too many vehicles/suits and the figures are all larger so the tables just look cluttered. What works for armies with swords and shields does not work for ones with advanced guns, missiles etc.
GW cannot be trusted. SHould at least give a 3 year warning or something before deleting units and armies. Or even better: Not delete units and armies.
That's crazy that a couple horsemen are $120. Since I build gunpla, that's a BUNCH of high grade kits, 2 or 3 master grade...or 2/3 of certain perfect grades. Insane.
Welcome to the club. I played Warhammer Fantasy Battles and had a 7000 point Bretonnian Army... then they blew up the world. I replaced them with a Harlequin army in 7th edition and they've been removed as their own faction, now just being secondary, seldom used units of the Aeldari.
I had a tomb kings army and with AOS it was suddenly just Egyptian looking skeletons. They were worthless for years. They announced The Old World, and sold it.
And with the Old World they have the worst Fantasy version ever + half of the factions are legacy with terrible rules and no updates. So well ... even if GW revives something, it still sucks.
@@ruas4721 Old world has the best rules of any version of Fantasy, and I KNOW you are trolling because the legacy factions include the current strongest faction in the entire game. The specialist games team is their best, I don't knock the rules for the sins of the corporate team.
@@Aodyri It has by far the worst rules. Unit types and weapon options are in the worst state ever. Herohammer is problematic. Internal balancing is as bad as never before. We got stupid unit cuts + we lost nearly all characters people want, love and know. Army rules are bad designed or nonexistent. Army building is dogshit and incredible bad designed for different point levels, often denying logical unit combinations or lorefull lists. And no, the additional faction books dont fix that. And there are a lot more problems with Old World. The ONLY good thing is the new combat result, that was a great idea. Also i never said the factions are bad, i said they have terrible rules. Its not about strength but design. Like Eldar in 40k, dominated the game completly with terrible rules, because those rules made them busted. Also there is a lot of shit in the legacy factions, which will never be updated and stay useless forever, so the power spiral will do its thing.
Ah, the Victrix Miniatures among your proxies!! Friend to the non-millionaire gamers among us! Big bags with lots of minis... Low price point... Everything in plastic... Arms and heads separate so you can make unique models... And BEST of ALL: EVERYTHING is physically compatible with EVERYTHING ELSE. Kitbashers rejoice! Seriously, give Victrix MIniatues a look. Their splendid Dark Ages line is being expanded into the Early Medieval period. If you like Ancients - you got 'em. Rome, Carthage, Gauls, Iberians, Numidians, Germans, Samnites. And I'm not even listing the Greeks. Even their Napoleonic and smaller-scale WWII ranges are worth checking out.
Games Workshop is only the market leader in tabletop wargaming, not the whole market. There are plenty of other good games to continue using these miniatures; Oathmark, Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave, Five Leagues From The Borderlands and Rangers of Shadowdeep. I'm sure they'll see use in D&D as well!
most likely the Dunland models got removed because they have plans to update the army in light of the new film, with new characters and kits. i suspect that once the new edition is released you'll be able to use the old minis to represent units in the new version of the army.
I like your videos and you as a presenter, and look forward to more content from you. Yes it sucks, all these armies and miniatures are going. I do feel for a lot of people, including you. Perhaps you can use them as proxies for the new dunlending army.
@@deadlightdotnetLoTR saved GW from going bankrupt, the same thing happened with Horus Heresy it saved GW from going backrupt again. This has happened 3 or 4 times in 25 years
@@yagsipcc287 it hasn't happened once in the 30 years I've been in the hobby. LOTR made them have to have shelf space and tables in every store as a licensing restriction far beyond when it was obviously not going to make them money. HH is a premium brand for older gamers but has nothing on the profitability of 40k or AoS. Games Workshop have been doing fine for a while but shot up astonomically for one reason, lockdown
I am one of those who got squatted way back in 1997. I still play my squat army in 2nd edition 40k. There is a vibrant scene of players of old editions world wide.
As an original Squat collector, I know the feeling. I have various RT and 2nd edition 40k armies and projects + various Mordheim warbands and an Estalian/Tilean army. From the collector side of things, discontinued models can be a blessing. They will go up in value the rarer they get. If you have experience converting, you can always turn a pile of oldhammer gems in to a unique and funky army/gang/warband. I've been upcycling my old squats into a new playable gang (or army at this point). It holds value really well. The average 25/28,5/32mm model would sell for 50ish euro, with some rarer ones going into hundreds or multiple hundreds a pop. The entire gang/army is already worth more than my car ;)
Right? For me it was Praetorians. I had just finished watching "Zulu" in school and saw a White Dwarf with mock version of the battle using the Praetorians. I fell in love instantly and bought a squad worth. A week later they were discontinued. Took me YEARS to build what I have today. Currently it was the new codex for the Guard that squashed my army. No more conscripts, no more Pask, no more Crusaders (which I had specially made from Hero Forge). I got my Rough Riders back, but I had hammered out my army only to have it ripped away from me. On a side note, I wanted to get back into Fantasy with my old Dwarves, only they apparently don't exist anymore. Just the more more steam punk version of them, which is cool (full on Airships, I love it), just don't/can't get a new army heh.
I know this will be a controversial approach given the morally dubious nature of the practice, but seeing as GW have just squatted so much of the range... I'm just use the now outdated edition and pick up whatever else I need for these armies as recasts.
Models being removed only matters if you play competitive. If not, while it is not commonplace in the warhammer community, “Homebrew” is still perfectly acceptable if your playgroup approves.
Even with the new Kill Team.... getting rid of compendium teams? I am done with GW. Ordered a Hivestorm box and decided to return it before it even showed up. That saved me 200$... What I have now is all I'll ever own by them. I'll print or go to a different mini game. Trench Crusade is looking pretty sweet. Malifaux is amazing.
I like the fact that the first models I got in 1994 or 5 are still legal, though a bit smaller than the updated models. (an iron priest and striking scorpions) I just keep my RT dudes as their own army so I dont have an itty bitty character leading primaris or a primaris leading a squad of RT01 marines half his height.
That's why we (in my area) hold tournaments that use to OG Rouge Trader 40K rules and use 1st Ed. Warhammer Fantasy Battle. We allow any models BUT you must use the OG rules and they have been wildly successful. If it came out after 1990, then it is pretty much heresy
11:54 Exactly this point, its so hard to get anyone I know into this game due to the sheer cost alone and time required but when they legacy on a mass scale it just feels like nothing is safe at all (even if it is) "Hey pal heres the full range but only buy the biggest factions becasue the others might not be around much longer"
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"Ahh finally, someone bought the last boxes, release "the Article""
Haha
I'm convinced that this is what happened to box dreads
Danny buys the last stocks.
GW: RELEASE THE KRAKEN !
He bought? Dump it...
12:48 They just squatted your whole army and you're going off to buy the new set? YOU are the reason they keep getting away with this stuff.
lmao calm down
indeed, id have sent it all back and demanded a refund.
I completely agree. This is the same mindset that allows gw to keep doing that. Consume don't ask questions and consume again. That's the kind of thinking that has ruined it for a lot of players that can't afford the hobby anymore
exactly. this guy is the biggest sucker alive.
not enough people notices this
Warhammer Fantasy players: "First time?"
🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓*
(🔮 "Well...then I couldn't have made this *_Video,_* could I (❔)
This has happened to me so many times with multiple factions in 40K, lol.
@@margaretwood152 If GW would take back minatures that are assembled that would be fantastic
Hype this comment. Came to write the same.
- Old school mordhiem and necromunda player now.
@@margaretwood152 room temperature IQ take XD
Remember: we are under no obligation to play by Games Workshop's corporate policies. Keep proxying, house-ruling, sticking to older editions, 3D-print, buy third-party, convert, borrow, lend, etc. etc. etc. We aren't just "consumers", we are HOBBYISTS.
People need to come to their senses. The only way to stop GW from pulling shits like this is to vote with your wallet
YES! I'm currently making a big homebrew documents restoring the AoS units that have no warscrolls anymore.
I have found the further I move away from GW the more I actually enjoy the hobby.
Never a truer word spoken
Love 40k, hate GW. Bought a 3D printer this year and it's been much cheaper than buying an army and also let me branch out into other armies more easily since I can just print off better models than what GW makes cheaper. 3D print, use OPR or other systems (including prior editions), buy from other hobbyists, get better paints at half the price, GW shouldn't get a penny.
Me and my group just keep playing our old stuff regardless. Sometimes that will be just playing an older editions rules, sometimes it's just as proxies.
The greatest trick GW ever pulled was convincing non-tourny players they had to buy newer editions of rules/army books.
Remember folks, once you own the models and the books the hobbie is yours, not GWs
We still play 7th ed 40k.
@@tomfox810 My Khorn Deamonkin army wants to know your location XD
@@tomfox810 Best Edition
Neat. Of course that requires everyone to agree on what to play. For me, when Fantasy 8th died, everybody in my orbit moved to 9th Age. I had no interest in 9th Age. I just wanted to either keep playing 8th or get into (new) Age of Sigmar. No one else did so I left the hobby.
I’m still playing 3rd Ed. It’s great
Friends buy a 3d printer. Go on my mini factory and print your own army.. GW isn't in charge of our hobby. we are. Their greed is crazy.
Yup use the rules you have or support other smaller companies who listen to you I have 40k third edition and support OPR for over 4 years now they actually listen to their customers from a rules perspective and ask for feedback every now and then.
nah dude I only play 2nd edd. with the old models I havent bought anything new after 3rd edd and I dont play with those rules because they suck ass
@@catnium 2nd edition with Dark Millennium was peak 40K.
🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓* ~&~ 3D Print an Entire (not-exactly~Legal) LOTRs Army instead (❔)
(🔮 "Well.....then I couldn't make this *_Video,_* could I (❔)
@@margaretwood152 What is this? Also what are you on about 3D printing is no legal ha what...
Games Workshop has successfully made me play other miniature games, so my friends who play Warmachine now have a comrade in arms for their nearly dead game. Best investment ever - the game rules are free online, loads of miniatures are available cheaply online, and the newest rules include some really nice new resin minis! Best of all, no one will be taking these away, and Warmachine has rules for all legacy miniatures (though their balance might be a bit off).
Warmachine is great! You should also look into Trench Crusade!
@@willpenn966 The funny part is Privater Press (The GW of Warmachine) did the same a year ago with a lot of models. If you play Tempest Gun Mages you will understand it. ^^U.
You don't have to care about "unoficial stuff" unless you are in a games workshop shop, or your local club/shop for some reason has that rule of only official minis. For the rest, as long as its a painted army, I would love to play with anyone.
Yea, I got two complete Empire and Bretonnian armies using mostly historical figures.
Stopped caring about newer editions decades ago.
would be awesome to bring your custom stuff to the local place just to talk to the guy and say hey i have a board in the car, wanna go to the park and do nerd stuff?
the shop guy would be so fkin puzzled xD
As a historical gamer I’ve always found the slavish devotion linking to a particular range of figures to a specific game rather strange, more so when the “official” figures are so expensive.
I watched your video on using proxy figures which seemed entirely sensible, indeed I said so in the comments. Yes by all means buy official characters etc. but rank and file buy cheaper substitutes if available.
Sadly it seems that Games Workshop is behaving like the public ally listed company it is, where profit comes before all else, and not a company that genuinely looks after its customers. The solution is simple - buy proxy models,
I would have suggested playing miniatures-agnostic games like Frostgrave, Stargrave or Oathmark (for Fantasy/SCI-FI only, of course). I think historical players have a healthier choice, though someone can correct me if I'm talking nonsense.
For me, it takes a lot of stress away when I know that I only need readable characters, not the right ones.
@@derultimativenachahmer74 Historics are cheaper and one of the things that fantasy ranges often have issues with is clutter. The figures are loaded with junk, useless belts that hold nothing, clothing longer on one side, random bits of chainmail. That's what I liked about the Middle Earth fantasy battle figures when they came out, they were closely aligned to the LOTR films so the clothing and weapons made sense given that the films' prop designers put actual thought into what did what and why.
While I'm rabitting on, one of the dumbest things about the later Space Marine ranges is all the loincloths hanging down to ground level. They're over done and don't look like religious clothing, they just make the figures look clunky.
This shit definitely isn't new.
'What? You spent $1000 dollars on minis just for us to invent the Primaris and make everything you've bought pointless JUST so you have to buy ANOTHER army????'
So glad they did, I absolutely love the newer marines far far far more. Started recently so I get to enjoy new tyrranids as well. Glad I didn't start sooner. That is also why you shouldn't chase the meta or anything that keeps changing really. Pick an addition and stick with the base of what is released, expanding into new additions is your own choice. It is the price for not being stagnant/stationary.
Is that really that different from bringing your iron landlord to Star Wars Monopoly and expecting it to fly? They made a new version of the game but the old one is still perfectly playable. It's not like official tournaments are the only avenues of play.
@@merccc1 Primaris are dogshit and ugly as fuck... Bigeest shit take ever seen you have right there
@@pancakemogul LMAO live where I do and you won't be saying that. only 13 players in my town and they're always in a league (only way to guarantee getting a game). Every 4 months I try to get anyone to play narrative or casual, doesn't work. So I don't have a hobby anymore because standing on 5 circles of dirt for 5 turns in perpetual MDF ruins, set up the same way every time is nothing I can be bothered to play.
@@brycedery9596 Make friends, talk to those people possibly and find someone that may have a similar willingness. Correct answer like his doesn't mean it will necessarily apply for everyone. Too many unique situations to account for.
Welcome to Hasbro and Black Rock being major shareholders of Games Workshop.
They are just forcing our hands at this point to get 2nd hand and 3D printed stuff
Nah, most people will buy the miniatures, its just more convinient that having that smelly resin printer at home.
@tm5123 Or you could pay someone to print it for you. For like 10 bucks or so
@@Bluez17 I have a few friends with resin printers. But dont really care. I like working with plastic.
@@tm5123 Your wallet man
@@tm5123keep simping 😂😂😂
I walked away from GW and embraced 3d printing a few years ago and dont regret it
Nobody on this path regrets it. I can tell by experience. Sisten to him.
There are many ways to make "business sense". GW always always chooses the super greedy one. Unless mandated from outside license holder, there was no reason to nerf any figures. Most likely most new players would go for the new stuff that is available, but there is no need to punish old players with wast armies or people up for a big conversion challenge. As a company you could just have announced the models would no longer be in production. Its the perfect way to push the older players out, that should be the ones welcoming the new. But business never thinks like that, just we can sell more new stuff.
My Deathwatch, Stormcast, and entire WH Underworlds collection... 'Snap' Gone. If I hadn't already moved to better rulesets for my minis (Warsurge, OPR) and printing because of the crap rules and continually rising costs, I would be unbelievably pissed off. As it stands, my break to wait for better rules, is now a permanent "walk away". Whatever modern GW is, it can get F'ed.
Agreed. Modern GW is not a good company to support, and both of their flagship games feature outdated and plainly unfun rules. There's so many great 28mm, 15mm, 6 and 8mm game systems out there, I recommend you buy the miniatures you like the most and go from there. I've got some undead japanese samurai types that form the basis of my army or warband or squad in almost every fantasy setting I play, and I'm looking at 3d printing something similar for scifi if I ever find a decent gaming group around me. For now, I mostly ogle terrain on the 3d printing websites, because that's what I really love.
As a historical gamer, I don’t even understand how players allow GW to impose new rules when these don’t improve game play. Historical game designers interact extensively with players to see what aspects they dislike and then playtest any changes before making them official in a new edition.
It’s definitely transparency that left us ticked off , they said one thing is leaving but then something else in the same boat is staying ? Doesn’t make sense . Then comes the stock issue because everyone buying the minis you can’t get them within the a day of the article, they should come out that all those models will be on made to order for at least a year .
Found the dundland army video was great and be exactly what I’ll be doing to fill up the ranks with the new box .
Fortunately for you, you can probably use those miniatures in OPR Age of Fantasy.
You absolutely can. Best thing is to find an existing army in the system that looks like it represents what you have, then you can customise a few units if you need to. Plus the units in different armies tend to copy across pretty well anyway, so if you find something you like rules-wise in a _different_ army, you can use those rules for something in _your_ army, and it should work fine (like, for instance, using the rules for a big Alien Hives monster to represent a model in your Orc army).
I'm a old guy, and after marriage and 4 kids I am back to gaming after almost 25 years break. I only proxy figs or play miniatures agnostic games. My history is I played the original single book hard copies of fantasy and 40k. I went a little past those but rejected from the GW economy. Saying that, I truly feel you man.
This is why I don't care about the games they make, I play OPR. It's easier, more fun, you can non-agnostic miniatures, and most importantly.... you don't get rules and points changes every-fucking-week.
Yup and when OPR does change things you don't need to rebuy everything a couple years later. OPR since 2020 one of the best companies as they will listen to us and ask for feedback
Plus their minis are a whole hell of a lot cooler.
Ive been into warhammer since 1991, im 43 now. I just couldnt keep up with the rules and editions releases, the erratas. Now the only GW game I enjoy on the table top is Mordheim. I am still a commission painter though, Ive been doing that for 10 years now.
I only decided to jump into Middle Earth this month, mainly because I want to paint the minis, but I've discovered just how beloved the rules of the game are. After playing 40k since '87 I find it now to be a game I don't enjoy, so I'm massively keen to get rolling with the new starter set soon. It's a shame about the removals, but I would say to keep playing your minis. Legacy isn't a problem if you're not doing official GW tournaments, but I do get that it saps the joy of collecting sometimes. Anyway, more Middle Earth content from you is always welcome, keep painting buddy.
Fun fact:
Games Workshop isn't the only wargaming company out there.
Play agnostic games, support competition against Games Workshop if you want them to improve
THIS! ^
YES! long live Planet Shark, Quar and Turnip28.
True!! I’ve gone back to wizards of the coast Star Wars models 😅
@@diegorodriguez8355 unfortunately Turnip28 is infested with leftists
realistically speaking, yes they are
If miniatures aren’t good for the life of the game then they are a phenomenally bad time and money investment. The deal was always “we know it’s a big investment but you can enjoy these models for as long as you play the game”.
That implicit promise is broken now.
No, you can still play the game you bought these minis for.
@ way to miss the point.
Miniatures are a hobby. Stocks are an investment.
No, no it's actually not, if you already got the army, you can still play it, there's noone coming to your home, to trash your place and take the minis you got away from you.
@@albertmockel6245 Can you field those minis at an official event run by that company? If you can't you've just been excluded.
The Printing Goes Ever On....
Yup they are great has everything...
As another person who had started a dunlending army i feel you. My play group doesnt care and we plan to use legacy rules. But I am grateful i had proxied most of my list anyway
As an AoS Beastmen player, I hear you. My entire collection will be officially unplayable come the next edition.
I can only suggest you either try proxying your models (I plan to use my Beasts as Slaves to Darkness, for example), and/or try alternative games with your minis.
One Page Rules is a popular choice at the moment!
Brayherd never dies!
@@Choom89 Mooo!!!
After what they did to the Beastmen I just bought a 6th edition rule book and hunkered down. If they release some Old World stuff I like I'll pick it up (as well as the rules if I ever get some games in) but I'm prepared to keep my army in whatever edition let's them play including OPR, etc.
As someone who has been in and out of the hobby for 21 or 22 years now welcome to the club. I stopped supporting GW outside of Warhammer lore in 2020 and just print stuff now and support really great creators. I have third edition 40k at home with most of the codexs (can get ang and all online or as a PDF anyway) i also use OPR. Like many in the comments seem to be saying 3d print and use the rules tou like
Notice how the fans went rabid when GW added female Custodes because "You can't just retcon the entire lore to add something in". Yet they were perfectly happy for GW to retcon the lore to add or change facts so that they could make the players buy new miniatures and have to rebuild their armies all over again 🤷♂
Really cos I remember when Primaris launched and loads of people went “ rabid” with them phasing out first born
@@warsmithkorath5882 I still know people who simply don't acknowledge primaris marines. Lot's of 30k players fit that mold.
The fans that went rabid left. You are watching the fans that didn't go rabid not going rabid for anything
As an active warhammer player with 25 years of experience. My suggestion to anyone new. Don't. Do not get into warhammer. If you want to read the novels, sure, but there's other things out there that are also good. If you want to paint, there's so much other better things to paint. And do not get it to play the game. There's simply better things out there in so many ways. For me, this is a sunken cost fallacy problem. But for you, it doesn't have to be. Just, don't.
This is why allowing proxies is key, lets someone’s old army stay relevant
Condolences bro, that sucks so much. FGW.
Me and the 4 other beastmen players feel you my man we feel you
Brayherd 4 lyfe!
It's really bad news for games workshop as 3D printing becomes more accessible they're irritating the consumer.
It doesn't make sense.🤨
GW does not see the writing on the wall. 3D printing is the future of miniatures. So you have the producers of STL and you can buy these and produce the amount you need. Or you buy the design and ask a company to print it for you. GW is slowly vanishing into history.
I couldn’t afford a full 3d printer by myself and all of the wash and cure stations and supplies. But I do have hobby friends… that don’t have wives and families. So I could offer to contribute $200ish to help them buy a printer. And that allows me to buy files on a shared myminifactory account to print off what we want. Use your contacts and make a 3d printing community.
You can get a printer for GW style minis for $200. You do need some extra gear but yeah.
@ and there are better and better ones coming out. We are still in the very early stages of at home printing and it’s really good already.
I have been playing since 1986, my first 40k army was space slann, I had spent all my pocket money, and my birthday presents and Christmas for a year building it and painting it, the whole army was dropped, so I sold it for a fraction of the cost, to start up Squats, put 1000s of hours into painting that army, that army also got removed, got pretty fed up with 40k, sold my Squats and went back over to fantasy, put everything into building up a huge Kislev force, and a Chaos Dwarf army, and then those armys were scrapped, I literally had 2 models left to paint for a 4k army of Kislev. . Rage quit GW for a long while after that, then decided to get back into 40k with Black Templars, as there was the ability to swap assault marines bolt pistols for storm shields, I loved the idea of flying sword and shield space marines, so built up 30 of them as a core of a new army, sadly that option was removed, so I would have had to hack off 30 storm shields, which had cost a lot to buy from ebay, as GW didn't sell seperate storm shields, so I just sold the models in stead, I Picked up a leviathan dread, Chaplain dread and daredeo dread to fill in the gap in the army, they all went to legends. . .
Rather than buying anything else, I just sold the whole army, I picked up the recent Deathwing army set, as I figured Terminators haven't really changed since Rogue trader, hoping to get a good few years out of this army.
Historicals is a good option. There is WWII for instance and even alternative history WWII like Konflikt 47. Or the various medieval and ancient games out there.
3D printing and OPR will be the death of miniature companies like GW that aren't willing to get with the times. Blockbuster Vs Netflix is a prime example.
Im an orks player from 8th edition.... do you have ANY IDEA how many grot tanks i have that dont have datasheets now? Looted tanks? Named characters? It sucks so much
as someone who can't afford minis bc of country I live in most of them time I just team up with 5 people and go on ebay auctions and bid for something we like, if it's painted and I like it then cool, if not I remove paint and do it over again, and as such we (my friend group) don't play official tournaments or something so our armies that got "removed" are just still here, we will still play with them, why should I spend my monthly income just to make new rohan/wildlings army, my point if you enjoy hobby with friends this "removing" almost means nothing
BattleTech has never outlawed any miniatures. Games workshop should learn from them
'Rohan, on the other hand, did not lose their horses...' That might have been a 'You're kidding' too far.
I feel like Legacy/Legends rules should become more accepted, even if you don't have a local gaming group aside from the local Games Workshop.
It should also be more accepted to just play with rules from an older Edition of the game, if both parties agree on it/build their list around it - because while Legends/Legacy units won't be updated by GW in any game, it's still their models, that they produced, so hardly any store keeper can prohibit you from taking them to a local game, if they're a 100% original model.
Wheras GW as a company should also do an archive of older edition rules on their website.
Heck, even if they sell it online/as a hardcover for order for a reasonable prize I also wouldn't mind, but that way they'd also prevent people from showing up with fan-edited wikis like Wahapedia for their rules on older editions. But given that buisiness doesn't always mean that something should make sense, hard to tell if they'd go that step.
That would also help to make people take Legends/Legacy unit profiles more serious, because then there's no fear that they'd be gone forever at some point.
You make a very good point. I guess the caveat is that in a few years time the legacy rules will be outdated versus the newer miniatures, so can you truly have a fair tournament or friendly battle if you are using them.
@@esotabletop Yep the legacy models have until 11th, at which point they'll be dumpstered.
Then we will update them. These armies won't go away for this edition for sure. The online community has never been better so no worries @@esotabletop
Warmachine just do so. I know they're not in good shape, but hey, not even single model was kicked out from Warmachine since day1
Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. You're welcome.
Do i need to get a curing station ?
@@metalman1a2 Yes. You don't need a wash station though, a bucket and some isopropyl alcohol is all you need for that.
@@MonstaMunch101 Or get one of those UV nail curing lamps. 😜
I literally looked at these models last week and thought "they are due for a resculpt." Same reason I won't buy Blood angels assault terminators(even though terminators are my fav space marines). It was murphy's law that this happened the day after you throw down cash.
Model agnostic games are the future. 3d printers and one-page rules will put an end to this BS
Agree
And with it the end of gaming stores, I guess we all will have to make peace with having to put up with our friends families and wives since 3d printing will kill the brick and mortar stores.
And with it the end of gaming stores, I guess we all will have to make peace with having to put up with our friends families and wives since 3d printing will kill the brick and mortar stores.
good luck finding players, as if it wasnt already hard to find 40k players and thats the de-facto monopoly on this hobby
I bet Dunland will get a mounted set, they're likely just going to replace it with armies from the movie.
Yeah it's disgusting.
- 1st I got screwed by fantasy coming to an end for AoS.
- Next my Beasts of Chaos got canned from AoS
- Then my Deathwatch got removed from game pretty much.
3d printers and proxying is so important.
Unless you play at a GW store there is no need to use their minis, or if you have some minis of theirs you love, just use them as something else.
I do everything I can to not directly give GW minis.
I have more to say but I've said it so many times on comments before I can't be bothered to go on.
5:13 they aren't finecast miniatures, they are Forgeworld Resin, completly different materials and casting processes. Dunland has no finecast miniatures nor did it ever.
Virtually everything you said is wrong. Pick an edition and pick an edition or game and play it. Stop letting Games Workshop control you. Use your mini and forget the latest cash grab from the crooks
Except it’s getting other people to play that edition you like and for many a causal gamer to walk into a store and say let’s play 4th edition WHFB is going to be difficult
tried this for years... there is not a single other person who plays wab 2.0 anymore...
Good luck finding games if you arent playing the latest ruleset.
All they had to do is say that your legacy figures are another faction under the same army umbrella, and adhere to the existing stats/rules, then add the new models to the army. Making any hero models interchangeable but under any new stats dictated by the update.
There's really no need to scupper a whole army.
My Mordor Army was gutted and will now be going over to being my Dragon Rampant Army. Thankfully my Iron Hills hasn't been affected
Damn it man! Bought = spent money on to own. Brought = carried a thing with me from where I was to where I am now.
This! I had to stop watching half way through.
GW's practices of marketing and supply have been awful over the last decade. The line, "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products" is on point. Creating artificial demand through limited supply, stopping rules support for old models, website queues, and the fear of missing out are all prominent strategies. They want you to purchase impulsively. As a group that his pigeon holed themselves into the box of a "miniature company," there is no easy way for them to combat 3d printing. Instead, they get their customer base excited and push for them spend on the next thing while quietly putting the old out to pasture.
The thing with historical wargaming is that nobody can hold a copyright over something like the concept of Vikings and Saxons, Romans and Celts, etc. Literally I don't see why people are still so drugged up on fantasy products, specially those owned by massive corporations like GW. (Not saying fantasy is bad, it's just that I find the historical wargaming communities way less stressful in these terms and are provided with hundreds if not thousands of different products from different companies and places all compatible with eachother)
It's surprising that Europe has so few companies that produce historicals, at least in 28mm. They have tons of companies producing fantasy though.
Yeah, nobody owns the rights to Napoleonics, WW2 or the Crusades. A little metal or plastic knight will always be a viable little plastic knight for a non GW game.
I'm avoiding this situation by just starting with OPR. Biggest issue I'm having is finding good miniatures. Unlike tabletop rpgs, there's not a lot of Warhammer wargame minis that are designed for FDM printers, just resin printers.
I'm looking into getting a resin printer, but I need to figure out the space situation first.
Cultist3D for free to cheap (with supports to without everything included) or Myminifactory for cheap to fair (all professionally supported Prints)
My used Printer cost me 180 euros with a Washing Station and all the Accessories. He stands in front of the Window and a Fan blows on it because I have a pretty small Apartment.
Hint: Water washable Resin smells much less.
Hardest thing about this though is that you can go play with them local, with the old good rules set. Their first rules set was fire in a cup. One of their best rules sets ever produced.
the fact that you can proxy the entire army with proxies that look just as good for 90% less is exactly why people are moving away from Games workshop.
Although that I’d argue the official models are 100% better 😅 I’d much rather an army full of the official sculpts!
the problem is that you cant play with those outside your home
Yes, this happened to me with 40K several times over the last 30 years, frustrating when they change the rules so much that what you have collected and painted is mostly useless. Use the old rules or One Page Rules instead.
It sounds like they removed a Lord of the Rings army, not a Warhammer army.
Dude is upset that the most generic viking army I've ever seen, that I've never heard of despite reading the LotR books and watching the movies, is being discontinued. He was probably the only person who bought it. Bad luck, my guy, get better taste.
Retired=future collectable. Get a group together that ignores the "update" and lets every unit they have sold continue to participate. If they need upgrades to equal the new units, then make them competitive. That fixes the problem. If it is a global problem, there should be plenty of people in the same boat.
>Proxies entire army
>GW just deleted my army
lmao
>Proxies entire army to try to avoid spending money unnecessarily
>Spends time and money on the proxy
>Decides to go for the official version
>Spends more time and A LOT MORE money on the official version
>Entire army gets squatted
>Quite reasonably gets upset about it
>Some rando on RUclips thinks he can make a "clever" takedown comment
Stop defending corporations, my dude. They'll let you down at some point.
This is why I think home games that are Unsponsored are WAAAAY better IMO. You can homebrew everything with your organizer to still play with removed Minis
First...yes it's absolutely okay to be upset about this.
Personally I'm not happy about it myself.
I wish that GW would at least offer a "made to order" service like Reaper Miniatures does for older metal models that don't sell well. Yeah you'll have to wait a bit to get them, but you can still order them.
GW already has the molds, they're not losing money by doing this.
As for rules... that's the issue. Reaper can do this because they mostly make generic rpg minis, and they're not tied to a rule set. So there's no point in GW offering anything for sale if there's no rules, despite a lot of us just wanting these minis to paint and collect.
That said, I think the Dunland army will be okay. I wouldn't doubt if some new version of the horsemen becomes available and the old Dunland hereos could be used as generic captains and such.
It's not perfect but it's a solution that most of the other armies don't have.
Unless you're in a competitive event, I doubt anyone would care if you're using them as proxies, especially if they're GW minis.
I'm worried that my Rangers of the North army is done for, myself.
They look like they could be used for One Page Rules quick&easy.
Also few other nice skirmish games like sword weirdos, deth wizards (for heroes), oathmark or even fast and easy one hour skirmish. Loooots of options!
Just do this step and find store that would allow you to play something else than GW stuff ( or create place with friends)and you win. Great content - many thx.
You: Games Workshop just deleted my Warhammer army.
Me: Those are Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game models. Not Warhammer.
No matter what … you have a beautiful set of excellently painted minis to be proud of as they look awesome
Ive got a few sets of the 1st ones they did after the first movie, but the cost was too much to buy anymore, & i just dont support GW ever since.
Yep, no one should get tricked by the same dirty trap more than one time.
How can they delete an miniature army? The rules are there, can still play with them?
First time? This has happened to me like 2 and a half times. (old school orcs and goblins, old school wood elves,(before I knew old world was coming) and a chunk of my Stormcast) I've look at modern 40k and found out several of my orks aren't in the game anymore.
40k used to look like a decent squad level skirmish game with mostly infantry. Now there's too many vehicles/suits and the figures are all larger so the tables just look cluttered. What works for armies with swords and shields does not work for ones with advanced guns, missiles etc.
*pats the seat next to him on the Bolt Action bench* come on over brother , you are one of us now.
GW cannot be trusted. SHould at least give a 3 year warning or something before deleting units and armies.
Or even better: Not delete units and armies.
That's crazy that a couple horsemen are $120. Since I build gunpla, that's a BUNCH of high grade kits, 2 or 3 master grade...or 2/3 of certain perfect grades. Insane.
Welcome to the club. I played Warhammer Fantasy Battles and had a 7000 point Bretonnian Army... then they blew up the world. I replaced them with a Harlequin army in 7th edition and they've been removed as their own faction, now just being secondary, seldom used units of the Aeldari.
Recasters are gonna be eating good
GREATER BRASS SCORPION! My sweet baby, they made it avalible to buy for like a month and then removed it from the game completly, R.I.P.
Ooof, I said it would be cool if you came back but this wasn't what I wanted.... Monkeys paw situation.
Might be my second coffee but it's BOUGHT not BROUGHT.
I had a tomb kings army and with AOS it was suddenly just Egyptian looking skeletons. They were worthless for years. They announced The Old World, and sold it.
And with the Old World they have the worst Fantasy version ever + half of the factions are legacy with terrible rules and no updates. So well ... even if GW revives something, it still sucks.
@@ruas4721 Old world has the best rules of any version of Fantasy, and I KNOW you are trolling because the legacy factions include the current strongest faction in the entire game.
The specialist games team is their best, I don't knock the rules for the sins of the corporate team.
@@Aodyri It has by far the worst rules. Unit types and weapon options are in the worst state ever. Herohammer is problematic. Internal balancing is as bad as never before. We got stupid unit cuts + we lost nearly all characters people want, love and know. Army rules are bad designed or nonexistent. Army building is dogshit and incredible bad designed for different point levels, often denying logical unit combinations or lorefull lists. And no, the additional faction books dont fix that. And there are a lot more problems with Old World.
The ONLY good thing is the new combat result, that was a great idea.
Also i never said the factions are bad, i said they have terrible rules. Its not about strength but design. Like Eldar in 40k, dominated the game completly with terrible rules, because those rules made them busted.
Also there is a lot of shit in the legacy factions, which will never be updated and stay useless forever, so the power spiral will do its thing.
Ah, the Victrix Miniatures among your proxies!! Friend to the non-millionaire gamers among us!
Big bags with lots of minis...
Low price point...
Everything in plastic...
Arms and heads separate so you can make unique models...
And BEST of ALL: EVERYTHING is physically compatible with EVERYTHING ELSE. Kitbashers rejoice!
Seriously, give Victrix MIniatues a look. Their splendid Dark Ages line is being expanded into the Early Medieval period.
If you like Ancients - you got 'em. Rome, Carthage, Gauls, Iberians, Numidians, Germans, Samnites. And I'm not even listing the Greeks. Even their Napoleonic and smaller-scale WWII ranges are worth checking out.
Use everything for OPR. It’s gaining popularity with each passing day. Play what you like! ;)
I want to like it, I like the idea of it, but man its actual gameplay rules suck so hard.
Jesus man thats heartbreaking, Id be asking support for a refund, not that it would help xD My Khand dream is dead too now
Games Workshop is only the market leader in tabletop wargaming, not the whole market. There are plenty of other good games to continue using these miniatures; Oathmark, Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave, Five Leagues From The Borderlands and Rangers of Shadowdeep. I'm sure they'll see use in D&D as well!
most likely the Dunland models got removed because they have plans to update the army in light of the new film, with new characters and kits. i suspect that once the new edition is released you'll be able to use the old minis to represent units in the new version of the army.
You deserved this btw.
This is what you get for supporting GWS.
And you still have nothing worth talking about in your hobby choice to keep you distracted from GW news lol
I like your videos and you as a presenter, and look forward to more content from you. Yes it sucks, all these armies and miniatures are going. I do feel for a lot of people, including you. Perhaps you can use them as proxies for the new dunlending army.
gw was saved by lord of the rings.... i always bring this up :p
But the lotr game was a flop...
@@deadlightdotnetLoTR saved GW from going bankrupt, the same thing happened with Horus Heresy it saved GW from going backrupt again. This has happened 3 or 4 times in 25 years
@@yagsipcc287 HH definitely didn't save the from going bankrupt, you're delusional or trying a bad joke.
@@yagsipcc287 it hasn't happened once in the 30 years I've been in the hobby. LOTR made them have to have shelf space and tables in every store as a licensing restriction far beyond when it was obviously not going to make them money. HH is a premium brand for older gamers but has nothing on the profitability of 40k or AoS. Games Workshop have been doing fine for a while but shot up astonomically for one reason, lockdown
@@yagsipcc287I seriously think they should not be saved 3rd time.
I am one of those who got squatted way back in 1997. I still play my squat army in 2nd edition 40k. There is a vibrant scene of players of old editions world wide.
aw its your first time lol
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As an original Squat collector, I know the feeling. I have various RT and 2nd edition 40k armies and projects + various Mordheim warbands and an Estalian/Tilean army. From the collector side of things, discontinued models can be a blessing. They will go up in value the rarer they get. If you have experience converting, you can always turn a pile of oldhammer gems in to a unique and funky army/gang/warband.
I've been upcycling my old squats into a new playable gang (or army at this point). It holds value really well. The average 25/28,5/32mm model would sell for 50ish euro, with some rarer ones going into hundreds or multiple hundreds a pop. The entire gang/army is already worth more than my car ;)
Right? For me it was Praetorians. I had just finished watching "Zulu" in school and saw a White Dwarf with mock version of the battle using the Praetorians. I fell in love instantly and bought a squad worth. A week later they were discontinued. Took me YEARS to build what I have today. Currently it was the new codex for the Guard that squashed my army. No more conscripts, no more Pask, no more Crusaders (which I had specially made from Hero Forge). I got my Rough Riders back, but I had hammered out my army only to have it ripped away from me. On a side note, I wanted to get back into Fantasy with my old Dwarves, only they apparently don't exist anymore. Just the more more steam punk version of them, which is cool (full on Airships, I love it), just don't/can't get a new army heh.
I know this will be a controversial approach given the morally dubious nature of the practice, but seeing as GW have just squatted so much of the range... I'm just use the now outdated edition and pick up whatever else I need for these armies as recasts.
Models being removed only matters if you play competitive. If not, while it is not commonplace in the warhammer community, “Homebrew” is still perfectly acceptable if your playgroup approves.
Even with the new Kill Team.... getting rid of compendium teams? I am done with GW. Ordered a Hivestorm box and decided to return it before it even showed up. That saved me 200$... What I have now is all I'll ever own by them. I'll print or go to a different mini game. Trench Crusade is looking pretty sweet. Malifaux is amazing.
I like the fact that the first models I got in 1994 or 5 are still legal, though a bit smaller than the updated models. (an iron priest and striking scorpions) I just keep my RT dudes as their own army so I dont have an itty bitty character leading primaris or a primaris leading a squad of RT01 marines half his height.
That's why we (in my area) hold tournaments that use to OG Rouge Trader 40K rules and use 1st Ed. Warhammer Fantasy Battle. We allow any models BUT you must use the OG rules and they have been wildly successful. If it came out after 1990, then it is pretty much heresy
Remember, you don't have to use the up to date rules, old 40k rule books and the og lord of the rings rule books are cheap
Saw the writing on the wall and sold all my lotr armies a while back.
11:54 Exactly this point, its so hard to get anyone I know into this game due to the sheer cost alone and time required but when they legacy on a mass scale it just feels like nothing is safe at all (even if it is)
"Hey pal heres the full range but only buy the biggest factions becasue the others might not be around much longer"
congrats now there super limited edition. sell em for 3x the amount when your done.
so what inspired you to start 3d printing your figures?