Watching ORPHAN BLACK for the first time! ( S4 - E7 ) [ REACTION/COMMENTARY ]
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I'm not going to defend Sarah, but I will point out that it might actually have been _worse_ if she'd told Kira "I'll be back" as you suggested. I think part of her was already contemplating suicide, and if she'd made a promise to her daughter, and then broke the promise _that way,_ it would have been even worse than if she just did the deed!
Oh well ya for sure but like I also don't think she should have been planning to do that. 💀 Like how are you going to leave your daughter in this mess without you ya know?
Great reaction as usual, Kelsea. Honest emotions and raw feelings are gold. Sarah is a troubled individual, and she makes unbelievably stupid decisions based on emotion and gut. She's a reactor, not a thinker. But who are we to judge? We are all flawed. Sarah is never mentioned as anyone's fav clone, but she is the glue. "Bring us together Sarah, we need you." Beth whispers before disappearing.
Tataina is superb. She's my favorite clone. 😁
Totally agree!!! I am no where near perfect. I've definitely noticed that she's not often the fav, but she's certainly the glue.
I love that they actually have Peaches performing at the club scene. "Boys Wanna Be Her" is such a great rock song, and has been played on multiple TV shows: The L Word, The Boys, Lost Girl....
Oh that's awesome!!!
anger is a part of grief, ms S is grieving. kelsea love. she might be a badass, but she's still human.
Ya she's really hurting right now. 💔😭
Just to let you know, Sarah thought Mrs S blamed her for Kendall's death and she went off the rails. Bless her, I feel a lot of empathy with her that she nearly killed herself.
Ya I understood that. Doesn't change the way I feel. I have empathy for her. I just won't make excuses for her terrible choices.
I'm not sure if you realized exactly who was arresting Donnie and Alison. It was the Neolution cop. If it wasn't the drugs he would have made up something else.
Ya so true.
This is the episode Tat won her Emmy for!
I get why you would be mad at Sarah,but in her head after her conversation with S, she's responsible for kendal's death and the future death of all her sisters. I think she deserves a night out.. plus Sarah never said she was leaving for good. S did but just because she was mad
I disagree but that's ok. 🥰
@@KelseasComments I get that 🙂 anyway I hope you enjoy the rest of the show! I can't wait to watch your reaction 😁
I'm so excited!!!
@@KelseasComments I don't know how far you are but I suggest a plushy or some kind of squeezable softness to keep with you while watching the end of the show! And if no one told you before, there is some kind of audio episodes made by tatiana for after the finale if you're interested 🙂
Is that the same thing as the podcast I just saw mentioned somewhere??
Yes, Delphine. We technically never saw her die. And we all know what that means in tv world. And, she’s too important!!!!
I have mixed feelings about the situation here. Because I understand what you're saying, you're totally right. But at the same time, I can't help but empathize with Sarah. It's hard to be rational when you're dealing with so much, as well as carrying a lot of trauma, and it seems logical to me that she would have a "relapse". Besides, one night of madness doesn't seem so bad to me compared to everything she's done in the past. I mean, we know she's far from the perfect mom but at least now she's really trying. Again, I know it's still wrong and her behavior is very harmful and irresponsible at times like this but I just can't judge her that way.
Anyway, I always support you being this honest and expressing what you feel ❤️
Thanks friend. 🥰 And ya I'm relieved it was just one night. I mean I think we can only say it was just one harmless night because Fe went and brought her home. It was far from a harmless night. She was literally spiraling towards self destruction which is far from harmless when you have a child that wants to have a mom still. But yes, luckily she put an end to her relapse in time. And I ended the episode with a smile and saying "they both behaved badly and they're both sorry." She came home. Forgiven. That's all it took. And I empathize with Sarah too. But you can empathize with someone and still call out their bad behavior. Both can be true. I just know that Sarah is stronger than that, and she knows that too, which is why she went with Fe instead of Beth. But again, she came home. That's what matters. I discuss my frustrations with her in the outro because I don't have time to get deep into my thoughts while the episode is going. So I have to go back and let myself discuss everything that is on my mind from the episode. But the episode ended with me being super happy that Sarah went home and Mrs. S apologized. I judge people based on their growth just as much as their mistakes. ❤️ And I think people are a little disingenuous with the judgment thing. Judgment isn't inherently bad. Everyone makes judgments on people for all sorts of things both good or bad. Our entire lives are a never ending process of judgments. Like all that means is you're taking in information about someone or something and coming to a conclusion. And that's really healthy to do as long as it's not based on any toxic biases and stuff. There's a reason "use your best judgement" is a phrase. Everyone judges everyone, we all just have our own criteria for doing so. I'm a mom and I have grown up around addiction so of course my natural gut instincts are going to be making judgments with this in mind. We're all allowed to decide how we feel about people and their decisions. And judging a person's behavior as harmful doesn't mean you don't have empathy for them. I'm judging her behavior not her reasons for the behavior. I feel terrible that those reasons exist. But it doesn't change the fact (in my opinion) that the behavior is harmful. Ya know? Anyway, i don't know where that little rant came from so I'll stop now lol. But I'm so glad that Sarah came home and she and Mrs S can heal. 😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@KelseasComments Hmm you have a point there. I also understand that as a mother and with your story you feel this even more.
But anyway, as you say, the important thing is that Sarah is back and seems to fix things with Mrs.S and of course, that Tatiana won her well-deserved Emmy 😄
Oh and changing the subject, are you watching the last season of Succession?
YES. 😳 ARE YOU??? still reeling from 4.3 🫠
@@KelseasComments I know, I'm still processing it too. I think we all suspected that was going to happen but so early in the season it was crazy unexpected. If I loved the show and the performances before, now I don't have words, I will only say that I demand that they take all the awards, especially Kieran Culkin and Sarah Snook, they already deserve their Emmy once and for all! I do not accept anything else.
I am very anxious for what will come, there is still so much to go.
@@KelseasComments Also, I will never forgive you for not reacting to Succession 😂
Hope is a horrible thing to have in this series, you almost always get dropped hard. It's so hard to trust anyone or anything in OB, because that trust is so rarely rewarded. I love this emotional rollercoaster.
Ya it's terrifying!
why are u judging every character by individual moments they might be having? theyre still human. grieving and making shitty desisions comes with the territory of being a person, let them say the wrong stuff, let them fuck up. theyre complex flawed individuals, all of them, all of us. ure totally free to have ur takes, wouldnt ask for anything less. but take them for what they are, moments in a persons life. dont reduce the people to a moment, a choice, a prhase, a look. enjoy having the privilege of watching them grow. ure watching the human experience. making sour faces when someone isnt perfect for u standard of human being is kida icky, no offense.
i love coming back every week.
How exactly am I not doing that? I'm reacting to their moments. Which are worthy of being called out. And then I discuss. And then I move on. If you come back every week then you should know that as quickly as I call out the bad behavior, I cheer for their growth and redemption just as quickly. I truly don't understand how I'm not doing exactly what you say I should. Sounds like you just don't want me to ever open my mouth or show any negative reaction and I can only react or speak up if I'm being supportive. Which is an odd take. So unless you want to clarify what you mean and explain what you even mean by this comment, I would encourage you to read your own comment a few times and realize that you're complaining about me doing exactly what you say I should do. It makes no sense. Also, "enjoy the privilege of watching them grow." ? Please don't tell me how I should experience a tv show. Thank you.
You may already know this (I don't know how classical your education is) but the vision of the swan that she has is a ham-handed reference to the Greek myth "Leda and the Swan". The names of the clones "Leda project" and "Castor project" are all references back to this myth.
Here is the Wikipedia link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan
I didn't know about this at all before the show! But yes since starting I have looked it up!
@@KelseasComments I am much older than you are (57) and even I didn't learn it in class, I learned it because my mother was classically educated and had a 40 book set of all the classic "dead white men" writing called "The Great Books".
You look like you are probably either a millennial or a Zoomer, so I figured there was not much chance you had been exposed to it in school unless it was actually part of your college major, so I thought I would put it out there for you and any of your watchers who hadn't been exposed to the extracurricular that I had been exposed to.
See you next week!
I love the music in the arrest scene. And coming right after Sarah hitting a clear low point. Good juxtaposition.
Just like all the Sestras give Sarah some time. Remember, you didn't like Helena at first. They all play their roles.
My then wife almost got arrested while VERY pregnant with our daughter. We were involved in a protest (won't go into the politics). I did the organizing and made sure the people with me would be safe from arrest, right down to forming a relationship with the police. My wife showed up later and started berating people coming out of a theater. Again, avoiding politics, I can't say what she was saying it but many New Yorkers felt it at the time. So she was expressing what a lot of us felt. One of the people she was berating turned to her and yelled, "Shame on you for getting knocked up!" Well, that set my wife off and she chase them down the street.
As I turned to see what was going on, I saw a police officer chasing after my very pregnant wife while she chased people we were protesting down the street in Manhattan. I was trying to get there in time to diffuse the situation but also didn't want to seem a threat to the officer. I was picturing her getting arrested and giving birth in detention.
The officer got to her first and tapped her on the shoulder. She turned and he said, "Are you alright?"
She smiled and cheerfully said, "Oh yes, I am fine!"
The people she was chasing made their escape and I was able to breathe again. She is tough as nails.
I love Sarah already and was already team Sarah again by the end of the episode when she went home!! I just had to discuss my frustration with her lol!!
The music for the arrest scene was perfect. 💀
Thanks!
idc delphine is baby, im just here for the mentions of her sksksk. But wow I forgot how good this episode was, THE ACTINGGGGG
The acting is TOP TIER. and I miss Delphine sooooo much. 😫😭
@@KelseasComments sorry off topic but like Evelyne Brochu (Delphine) stars in a show called X Company that is INCREDIBLY GOOD. Its like a spy thriller, you should check it out if you ever happen to have free time lol
OH I WILL!!!!
@@KelseasComments It's actually the show she left OB for. I love it, but couldn't help but feel kinda salty the whole time, because I loved Delphine so much more than her character Aurora in X-Company. Not that I didn't love Aurora, but she's not Delphine ☹️
I can totally understand that. 😫
Can I say something? Don’t be upset but, TATIANA is a SERIOUSLY TALENTED actress. She needs to be in more. Her gift goes way way way way beyond SHE-HULK. Why isn’t she in more projects?!!!???
Why would I be upset? LOL! I agree. She's spectacular in this. I hated She-Hulk though. Would be nice to see her in something good for sure.
@@KelseasComments I couldn't watch She Hulk. Did two eps and quit. It was beneath Tat's ability. Poorly written and senseless. You do know there is a sequel to OB coming out this year titled Orphan Black Echoes, and it's set much later than the original. Maybe we follow Kira's story? It stars Amanda Fix and Krysten Ritter. Hoping it might be good, but without Tatiana, I'm not sure.
Ya I agree. I tried and I just couldn't. Totally agree with your assessment. But NO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!! That's wildly intriguing!! It'll be weird without Tatiana for sure.. but I'll definitely be checking it out!
Tatiana was great in Perry Mason on HBO, her character was only in season one but it was a great story (each season is a different court case). Also her guest appearances on the Comedy Bang Bang podcast are always hilarious.
Edit: And the Orphan Black podcast of course, she voiced all the characters in the first season. I'd be interested to see if the new show will follow the story from the podcast or if it's completely new
She was so good at portraying several completely different characters, that when I saw a panel interview of the cast, I was surprised that there were so few people up there. For a second I'd forgotten that most of the cast was Tatiana! 😆
You’re so emotional 😢this episode!
I was emotional LAST EPISODE! I'm just ANNOYED mostly in this one LOL!
@@KelseasComments And that is what makes it great.
“Came to me as an orphan, that’s all you’ll ever be.” 😬
Horrific thing to say to your daughter. 😫💔😭
Maybe 🤔 people who sells narcotics shouldn’t have kids. 😅
and maybe people who have kids shouldn't sell narcotics LOL
The way kelsea came at Sarah with such vitriol really shows the privilege of her life tbh hahaha Respectfully; if you can’t understand what a guilt bender is, be quiet. “I don’t know why she didn’t talk to Kira” sis she was literally taking drugs and about to jump off a bridge. Why would she tell a child that “she goes through teenage mode” oofff you’ve never had any negative coping mechanisms AT ALL. Lmao. This privileged speak is the exact same reason why my sister fell deeper into addiction and ended up dying 🤦🏻♀️🤣
“Kira is too” Kira has Mrs S and Fee. Yeah mum should be there too, but she was (clearly) not mentally okay.
“You can’t act out when you’re at your lowest” sis really doesn’t understand what trauma is 🤣🤣
This is the same logic as when family members call su!c!de victims selfish for wanting to die while ignoring everything that resulted in the attempt in the first place 🤦🏻♀️
I also love how she was like “as a mom, as a mom” etc. if she talks to her kids like THAT if they’re ever coping with trauma I can only imagine where they’ll end up 🤦🏻♀️
Like I get it, I’ve lived around addicts, it’s a toxic thing to see and be around, but at the same time, there’s a reason. It’s literally cause and effect. Nobody CHOOSES to off themselves or go on huge benders unless they feel it’s their only choice.
First off, it baffles me why people like you comment ABOUT me instead of TO me like you do realize the only person reading these comments is me? Lol. So be a grown up and say what you have to say to me directly. Oh I understand trust me. I'm the one that takes care of my nieces and nephews when my siblings decide they don't want to act like parents. But go off. I grew up around addiction. Don't have any patience when it comes to being a parent. It's all a choice. Oh and respectfully, you know NOTHING about my life so you can take that privilege nonsense with you on your way out.
Also, I love how people like you are always like *but their trauma!!!" while conveniently not caring about the trauma they're inflicting on their children by not choosing to get better. And yes, it's a choice. It's choosing to continue the cycle. The fact that you somehow think my life was perfect and my addict siblings life and mine were totally different and happened in vacuums is hilarious. I just don't use my trauma as an excuse to traumatize others, especially my children. And never had any negative coping mechanisms?? That's hilarious. I self harmed all the way through middle school and high school, I've nearly been hospitalized with an eating disorder, I WAS hospitalized for 2 months after a suicide attempt, and I was addicted to Xanax at one point. Guess what I did? I finally took responsibility for my life and my actions and I GOT BETTER. and when I became a mom I actually grew the fuck up like I was supposed to.
@@KelseasComments Beautifully said. Sending hug now. 🤗🤗
🥰🥰🥰
I agree and understand many things you say, about the trauma and other harmful behaviors, but it is not at all the appropriate way of saying it and getting into the life of someone you do not know seems too much to me. Even if you don't agree with what she says, you can respect and behave.
Thanks!
Thanks!