I think the issue is that Health Ledger perfectly captured the joker as someone with the ultimate dark twisted sense of humor who thrives on chaos. It's difficult to tap into that. Phoenix does a good job showing how someone could be driven to madness and murder, but I could not imagine the Phoenix joker pulling off any of the heists or things that the Ledger joker does. They are different characters by the same name.
You can see it towards the end though. He spent his whole life being ignored and questions whether he's even real. When he's in the police car watching all the chaos that is directly caused by him, he's ecstatic. He affected the world in such a huge way, and in the end everybody is looking at him. So, I could see him getting addicted to causing chaos, and thriving on it.
I think playing the joker is one of the most challenging roles in movie history so far. Heath and Joaquin did extremly good in their own seperate ways.
The original Joker during classic batman , was the best.. the most entertaining one ,the one always laughing and he was actually funny and had a lot of energy in his role , the second best is the Joker was Joaquin Phoenix , it was the most human joker ,and it was a new interesting one version of it . ALl other jokers were terrible. Specially Jack nicholson incredibly over rated actor.
@@LaraCroft-nh9sw THe original joker as envisioned by the Creators of Batman ,was a funny guy , not a depressing one like Jack nick was , Hence the name was JOKER , he is supposed to be a funny and maniac guy. not a sad and boring man.
Yeah Penguin published a good article about a month ago saying "How Joker became America's Hamlet", it's worth a read (and I feel it was the inspiration behind this video).
Honestly I feel so bad for Jered Leto, if you see interviews of Leto before he began his role you can tell his idea of joker was definitely what Joaquin Phoenix’s joker ended up being. You could see the sparkle in his eyes as he talked about his role. I genuinely believe he would have been a wonderful joker if they hadn’t made him an e-boy.
Leto's still a ridiculously talented actor. But boy oh boy did the studio take it in the wrong direction. Sure, have him be a crime boss. But... not like that. He had the look and wardrobe of a mumble rapper, and drove a brightly coloured car with underglow. Why, Warner Brothers? Whose brilliant idea was that?
@@juliantaffa4089 I think it's also bc the Suicide Squad happens in a different universe for DC comics. They play with that idea in comics. He had a similar look to the comic book version, yes the costume could have been calmed down, but I think it also is a way to see the difference between Jokers and placing him in the Suicide Squad Joker role.
To me is more like this: Jack Nicholson : The Histrionic (Jack Napier was the gangster, once he becomes The Joker, he gets rid of the mob, and was no gangster anymore) Heath Ledger : The fascist terrorist (He talks about chaos and anarchy, but wanted a whole city to do his Will, that´s not Anarchy, those are more the methods of a dictator) Joaquin Phoenix : The true Nihilistic Anarchist. Cameron Monaghan : The sociopath (Jerome Valeska) and The Psychopath (Jeremiah Valeska) Jared Leto: A transgender Catwoman on meth in a weird multiverse.
@rabidsquirrel73 Luke Skywallker, 90's Animated Joker, Arkham Saga's Joker, Animated "The Killing Joke" Joker. Practically, he paved the way for Ledger and Phoenix Joker
How dare you. Do you understand the true dedication, studying, effort, blood sweat and tears that goes into making a truly good, and believable porn parody?!
Zachary Gordon Not at all. But if you can’t agree then you’re probably just hating. Authorities have recognized his role as one of the best method acting in history
@@seantk642 he never said It was he said he was the best joker and actually was that why after dark knight they stop an did the rising kight with Robin n cat woman
Heath Ledger... what a legend. His prortrayal of the joker was undoubtedly the best thing ever, and having Joaquin Phoenix's show how the joker became the joker.... WHAT A MASTERPIECE!!
@Still Nada Well, that‘s your opinion and it surely comes down to taste rather than any definitive right or wrong, but I found DeVito‘s Penguin just „too much“, and not in a good but in a childishly ridiculous way, and I was 16 at the time.
Everyone: Jared Leto didn't take on the role seriously! Jared leto: *Took on the role seriously with his heart, mentally and physically.* The producers: Didn't take Jared's life's seriously with the script they handed him!
The Joker isn’t just a character. He is a mirror to the darkness that lies underneath all humanity. That’s why the smiles and clown like facade is so in contrast to the real world. Greatest villain in literature history.
@@JishinimaTidehoshi Loki is a good example. In our Native American culture there are hundreds of coyote trickster stories. Mythical stories that have great meaning about choices. Almost like the Greek and Norse Mythology.
@@nolimitarmani Hamlet is a role that is considered so hard and intricate that only the most talented actors can take it on. Being able to play Hamlet demonstrates some serious acting skill while flirting with insanity.
@Blackpilled Saint It's the Shakespeare play that Lion King is based off on. It was arguably Shakespeare's best work. It's about a shattered son acting upon the request of his late father to revenge the latter's murder. If you want to watch it, I recommend the David Tennant version. Benedict Cumberbatch has also played Hamlet in a more recent rendering but I haven't seen that one yet (it's on the to-do list).
puffinsunday muffin Leo would be a great Joker. His style of acting is borderline psychologically thrilling & his improv would suit such a role I think.
The joker isn’t a cursed role. It’s an epic role that over-scared the viewers into believing that you can only play one by being one. People need to study the definition of “acting” more.
Method acting is about channeling.. "Spirits", it's very real and dark, actors after that really either go to therapy for the rest of their lives, or they don't remember who they are, and stay in character off set as well, heath ledger is a perfect example, their are bjnch of videos talking about his METHOD, he locked hilself in a hotel for four months only dleepi'g two hours a day, meditating on very disturbing images, doung a ritual.
It is one of the reasons why Method acting gets criticized and is generally considered unsafe for actors. Most actors do not know how to turn the intent off once they are done working on a production.
Cameron Monaghan’s performance in Gotham was seriously underrated to me especially for how young he was. He certainly seemed like he could really capture a great joker in the future. It really seemed like he was inspired from ledger’s joker.
Yesss. The only reason he isn’t more well known is because they weren’t given the rights to the joker. But he deserves to be known! Definitely too underrated
I can't stand it when people give hate to Jared Leto for playing a bad Joker, trust me, I hate his version of Joker as much as the next guy but he did what he could, it's the director's fault for making it bad. Edit: Ok well after hearing that Leto tried to get the Joker movie cancelled because he wouldn't be playing the Joker, that's kinda messed up.
Jared leto shouldve kept making music and keep away from things he doesnt know anything about. i wouldn't go to a mechanic if i wanted a cake. His dream of being an actor should've stayed as a dream an nothing else. Now his music AND acting is pathetic. i wouldn't be surprised if he overdosed too...
I liked only one of his tattoos, the hand mouth. It would kind of make sense. The joker is known to put on this smile, look insane to everyone, even though he does have his serious moments they always go back to his insane smile. I'm pretty sure if the Joker got to much into the seriousness he would put the hand over his mouth and try to pretend he's still the same giggling man we all perceive him as.
Agree. Jared Leto is actually a good actor. Hell the dude even won an oscar already. But when a movie is trash not even the world's best actors could save it.
I feel like the only other person who can play joker after “The joker” move is Johnny Depp, tbh I feel like all his other films would lead up to this one... he’s a great actor and always takes on different roles and turns them into a masterpiece
Idk, he hasn’t really acted in anything in decades. Just phoning it in. I doubt he has the tenacity or willpower at this stage to be a phenomenal Joker.
R.I.P Heath Ledger. The best acting preformance ive ever seen, maybe ever will see. Thank you Ledger. Some say he gave his life to the role, either way, you and your work will NEVER be forgotten.
@@winterbear4949 You know not only...famous people can act, right? There are billions of people in this world. I'm very sure that someone besides 3 people can pull off a good Joker. Dont reach....
Because the other Joker already set the bar so high, imagine heath ledger Joker got oscar, Joaqin joker got oscar, and then leto's joker in middle of them,
KatZai23 I actually didn’t hate the smile tattoo on his hand. Had it been done right it could’ve been “joker hiding behind his smile” which is somewhat brilliant. But the rest of the look served no purpose. Which is a damn shame
His look was bad, but he had to commit his acting to that look. I only think his acting was terrible because of the Joker they made for him. Honestly how do you even behave dressed like that?
His acting was actually pretty immersive. The outfit was less than ideal for the joker's original and ideal but still not too bad. Don't really get why everyone complains about it. Seemed to fit the theme of suicide squad in my opinion.
Amethyst Moonshadow Because the Joker doesn't seem like the person who would go to a tatoo artist and say "hey can you write "Damaged" on my forehead in times new roman or something like that?". He doesn't look like a deranged psycho, he doesn't look like a crime lord, he doesn't look like a insane caricature of a clown, he doesn't look like anything the Joker is usually associated with. He looks like a gangsta. Maybe a crazy one, sure, but not The Joker. Could be someome that idolizes him or something like that, for sure, but most Joker incarnations don't even think they are crazy, even less so "damaged". Mouth hand was good tho.
@Sergio Barrett ok, here's the thing, the actors who play joker take the role very seriously, but the character is almost never serious, or I didn't get your joke, sorry
If I were to rank the actors I would go with 1. Joaquin Phoenix: I know I know Ledger is everyone's favorite but watching the physical brutality Joaquin put himself through when he was preparing is just astonishing, the body language throughout the film is a treat to watch and having him on screen the whole time really helped 2. Heath Ledger: One of the greatest performances in film history, Heath did incredible and nailed the mental side of things where as Joaquin nailed the physical side 3. Jack Nicholson: Brought a proper dark side to the character as well as seriousness which forever shaped the future of the Joker as a film character 4. Mark Hamil: I know he only did voice acting but in terms of an animated Joker no one does it quite like Hamil but I'm also glad it stays as just a vocal preformance because I don't think he would do physically very well for the character 5. Jared Leto: Only thing saving this preformance is the fact that Jared took the role seriously and the movie took the character seriously 6. Cesar Romero: I'm sorry but this preformance was beyond ridiculous and can't be looked at seriously
I like Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker, but I think most of the Joker's bring something special to the role. Heath portrayed the chaotic destructive force of insanity that the Joker can embody. Jack Nicholson embodied the more classic criminal mastermind Joker Joaquin Phoenix embodied the more humane side and the fall into Darkness that likely leads to the creation of the Joker persona. Heath and Joaquin both portray Joker well as the unreliable narrator that likes to make his origin multiple choice as well. Cameron Monaghan did a great job portraying three versions of the Joker. But he had a lot more screentime to refine the character.
@@eagle3676 Great, now I can't stop imagining him trolling Shakespearean productions. "Now is the winter of our discontent (Dramatic pause) made even stormier by the Batman!"
AkeemHimself and to be honest if the writers didn’t make Joker a gangster with tats and chains, Jared Leto wouldn’t be getting so much crap for the role
AkeemHimself yeah but when you’re going to see a Joker movie or a movie with the Joker in it, you’re expecting a certain version of the character. And most people weren’t expecting this version
@@that1guy345 I get that but people weren't expecting Heath' s version either. The one before him was super playful and a lil goofy, he challenged Batman to a surfing contest
Jack Nicholson is the quintessential joker. He mixed in Cagney from White Heat w/ some Romero into his toolkit for the role. I’m always interested to see different interpretations & flowing creativity. I want to have fun. Everyone’s so stuck on this character. Like Joker said “Why so serious?” “This town needs an enima!”
Leto is a much stronger actor than phoenix not his fault he got stuck with a joke of a script in a joke of a movie but Phoenix snooze fest joker ain’t no winner either , Nicholson had the best joker because it was the best written character
@@youtubisashoe leto is a better actor than Phoenix smh😂😂*Gladiator coughs *Joker coughs *Walk the line *The master I want to agree just to please your man crush, but his only accomplishment is looking young while on his 40s, he's good but it's like comparing a Jimmy Kimmel with David Chapelle, Phoenix is at another level
I would also add in "without me you're just a joke, without a punchline!" And of course "Nice of you to say, Bats, but you of all people should know, there's plenty wrong with me."
"Behind the stern and batarangs you're just a sad little boy in playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy. I'd Laugh if it wasn't so pathetic. Oh what the heck I'll laugh anyway HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" -Mark Hamill as the Joker, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
Jack Nicholson like they said just let himself have fun with the role. Heath ledger showed his great acting ability. Jared Leto went a different way to not follow Ledger and got screwed by how much hit the floor. And Joaquin Phoenix I think had to reel it in a little bit cause I believe he's already a little crazier than the Joker.
Jack nicholas joker was perfect it was the light comedy evil joker it was meant to be heath joker was too dark but played it perfectly and the films were superb leto done ok but the film was shocking!! I've not seen the new one yet but right now for me jack still has the edge
Cesar Romero didn’t put much into the “Joker” character because it was a campy kids show that didn’t pay the actors hardly anything! The biggest perk of the job was eating at the cafeteria where they might run into somebody who is casting for a movie…..
He was a child prodigy actor just like his brother, i´m sure he worked hard but that doesn't mean he´s going to let a role get into his head after finish it
The reason why Phoenix didn't go further into manic depression as a result from shooting the Joker film was because Todd Phillips,the director,was cracking jokes and goofing off with him behind the scenes. He brought levity on set when the cameras weren't rolling. Joaquin had fun making a movie. The last time I can recall he had fun making a movie was when he was doing that mockumentary about him transitioning into being a rapper.
"Do you wanna hear another joke?" Became the most scary thing we ever heard in a movie. That scene looks so real, so real that we didn't realize intense and disturbing has become one.
Cesar Romero: Pip pip to you sir, hehehe!!! Jack Nicholson: Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight? Mark Hamill: All it takes is one bad day to drive the sanest man to lunacy Heath Ledger: Why so serious? Jared Leto: Are ya sweet talking me boi?! Joaquin Phoenix: I used to think my life was a tragedy, now I realise, it’s a ******* comedy
I think the Joker is hands-down, the best fictional villain of all time. He’s even more interesting and diabolical than the devil, imo. I love what each actor brings into their portrayal of him. …Except Jared Leto. Especially that laugh. “Eh, eh, eh, ehhh.”
Hanson no. Hod is possible compare drama and action actors. This is just facepalm. Heath its a joker, with pathetic phrases for kids. Heath good in sin eater, but u don’t know about it, coz u love social dreamers words from dark knight eheheheh
Robin Williams, Johnny Depp, and David Bowie would have been a very interesting joker. Look at the way Joaquin took on the role, he gave us a very real performance on the fact that society can make you go mad and get you to your breaking point. And Heath Ledger was on a whole other level. I think what makes joker one of the best characters of all time is that whoever is portraying him, can make him unique. He’s such a flexible character so it’s cool to see how writers and actors will break the boundaries for him. I’d rather see Jared Leto portraying his version of the joker than see him try to copy Heath or anyone else for that matter. The joker is probably one of the most diverse characters in the history of cinema
To be a good Joker, I feel you need to be a really good comedian. As you said, each actor can make up their own, unique version of Joker simply by playing as themselves. Restricting a comedian to a certain theme doesn't give them much wiggle room creatively, and the more restrictions, the more carbon-copy it's gonna seem.
Tbh the first joker I saw was leto's and I actually loved his character and his scenes with harley too, and then watched heath ledger's portrayal and joaquin's. They both were legendary. I think because of all the expectancy and comparison with previous jokers is what made leto's joker look really bad.
@@MrLolo-xs6ob Its a little more than just " a mentally ill person"... Its the image of Robin Williams "killing because he dont feel eight in his skin" that...... I dont need to explain! whatever man
I don't think he also chose the way he was to look with the tattoos. Who decides this are the art team and not the actor...! They are just trying to use him to compare witth Joaquim Phoenix to avoid touching Heath Ledger's version, because a lot more people watched The Dark Knight than Suicide Squad (not to say Jared Leto didn't have a chance when they didn't make much scenes with him and cut so many to leave just some few little shots on the movie.
@@OpportunisticHunter I think you are partially right but in a lot of movies, especially with high profile actors like jared leto, there is more freedom given to how the character looks given that their performance is affected by how they act and vice versa. In lower profile films with lower profile actors, you might be right, but when you have a bigger name to put on the poster, naturally they are a bigger element and can sometimes make or break a movie. So it makes sense to cater to them a bit more. But there is a lot of elements to this kind of decision though with a key factor being the contract negotiated and how the actor's manager worked the details in. Another big factor in this decision is the director/producer since the director can also leverage their infamy against the actor depending on the directors personality. I agree to an extent with what you are saying, but I just wanted to add on since it is not so cut and dry.
I defiantly believe that playing the Joker role has to be taken to the upmost extreme, considering the forts that Heath,Leto, and Phoenix put into their characters. Along with this, playing the joker should be a respectable privilege, because it is so iconic and difficult.
Honestly if Jared's Joker had any depth he wouldn't have had to have heard about how bad it is. It was a bad performance no matter who played the role before or since.
Sal And if he was written better and prepared for the role like Joaquin and so many actors before him,rather than sending dead rats and used condoms to his co-stars.That’s just f*cked up.
True. People normally pay good attention to comic book character actors, but joker specifically turns it up a notch. There's so much to process from the character
I had the privilege of being in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix in Joker. I learned a lot of the craft of acting by watching him in action. His focus was incredible.
I don’t know why but I find it funny thinking of Heath Ledger getting ready to act, like any normal person, and then he continues to do some of the most terrifying performances ever
Jared Leto's joker seems inspired by a lot of modern mumble rappers / thugs. It was a little weird, but Joker is a weird dude. I think his interpretation was interesting
That's one of the more original comments I have heard about Jared's portrayal. I just pictured a lot of those young rappers who dye their hair and get their whole face tattooed. It could have been what they were going for. However, if so, I would say they misread their audience.
Dario CW im 100% it would had be better if that character wasnt the real joker but Jason Todd on his place... i mean, that would explain the change in his styke
R u kidding...JARED was so serious that the other cast said that they Felt as if they never met Jared...he stayed being joker off screen and on screen....plus she shaved his moustache beard hair and even EYEBROW
Personally? It isn't just the facepaint. Jack Nicholson is easily still Jack Nicholson as the joker. Jared Letto's joker was still pretty Jared Letto. The difference is that Ledger and Phoenix became the joker as a character versus the character becoming the actor if that makes sense. Both Ledger and Phoenix took the role and thought about "what would the joker do? what would his mannerisms look like? how would he talk? how did he get this way?" they invested in the character. Nicholson's just was himself, and Letto was being a crazy gangster of himself, and we all know what pretty boys look like when they're being gangster without a gangster bone in their body.
Gotham TV show compared to other DC shows is like that illegitimate child that’s better than most of the children but the parents don’t want to acknowledge them.
Yeah I didn't really like the show so much. I felt it was a stretch to imagine that all these characters unknowingly interacted with each other so much earlier that required too much suspension of disbelief.
@@mikexii13 I do, but I think it's more important that the main character works, it really hurts an otherwise very good movie if it doesn't. And for the Joker, at least another version. For the Joker, a different version of it, I could think of Ray Wise, Willem Defoe and a few other. At least I was on eof the people believing in him for the part of the Joker because I saw him in Brother's Grimm, where he was awesome, but of course I did not know to that point that he also could be the lead. ;) Maybe they would have written the character a bit different!
@@marcbraun5342 I dont think Christian Bale was a bad Batman choice. After seeing nightcrawler i really think Jake Gyllenheal could pull it off as well. Willem Dafoe is interesting too
I like "He really enjoyed playing the character and was in good spirits" a lot more than "He went too deep into the character and ODed because he was going insane".
I actually loved them all. Ceaser, Jack, Mark, Heath, Jared, and Joaquin. They all brought something awesome to the character. Leto got a raw deal because they axed most of his scenes in Suicide Squad but he redeemed himself in the Knightmare scene in ZS's Justice League
No one's belittling their performance, Hamill did great with what he had available to him which was his voice. Jack had a more comedic take. Belittling, stop
Joker: "Why so serious?"
Screen Rant: Well here is why...
"Why so serious?"
"You wouldn't get it."
His father was a drinker.
jared leto: "but what about me?"
What I really want to know , why isn't there a reboot of clockwork orange
He's super psychotic. Barely coherent.
Heath: “Why so serious?”
Joaquin: “Why is everyone so rude?”
Joaquin's quote is better because it fits better in it's respected movie
No Joke you can’t really compare them cuz they are spoken in very different contexts and both fit into the respective characters in the films
@@vandit1010 yeah you're right
Joaquin joker is pre Heath joker. He transitions to why so serious joker by the end of the movie
CrimsonRedSky why so rudeeee?
I think the issue is that Health Ledger perfectly captured the joker as someone with the ultimate dark twisted sense of humor who thrives on chaos. It's difficult to tap into that. Phoenix does a good job showing how someone could be driven to madness and murder, but I could not imagine the Phoenix joker pulling off any of the heists or things that the Ledger joker does. They are different characters by the same name.
True
Lmao It's Heath not Health
Who knows what Joaquin's Joker might become over 20 years
You can see it towards the end though. He spent his whole life being ignored and questions whether he's even real. When he's in the police car watching all the chaos that is directly caused by him, he's ecstatic. He affected the world in such a huge way, and in the end everybody is looking at him. So, I could see him getting addicted to causing chaos, and thriving on it.
Rachel Rogers heath ledgers joker is just a future version of joaquin phoenixs joker
Ledger: What can you say about Leto's Joker?
Phoenix: All I have are negative thoughts
LOL
Ledger is dead....
@@africkinfrick9836 he got the joke
💀☠💀
😂lmao
I think playing the joker is one of the most challenging roles in movie history so far.
Heath and Joaquin did extremly good in their own seperate ways.
And Jack
The original Joker during classic batman , was the best.. the most entertaining one ,the one always laughing and he was actually funny and had a lot of energy in his role , the second best is the Joker was Joaquin Phoenix , it was the most human joker ,and it was a new interesting one version of it . ALl other jokers were terrible. Specially Jack nicholson incredibly over rated actor.
@@technoartfest8708 You, sir, do not know whay you're talking about.
@@LaraCroft-nh9sw THe original joker as envisioned by the Creators of Batman ,was a funny guy , not a depressing one like Jack nick was , Hence the name was JOKER , he is supposed to be a funny and maniac guy. not a sad and boring man.
The Joker is one of the few characters who has transcended the comicbook genre. He has become near Shakespearean level regarding character.
Agreed.
Facts
Yeah Penguin published a good article about a month ago saying "How Joker became America's Hamlet", it's worth a read (and I feel it was the inspiration behind this video).
Well said
Very much so. Brilliant character
Are you kidding me? They made Jared Leto's joker look like a mumble rapper, I'm suprised they didn't heavily autotune his voice too.
He looked like he wanted to be a Tekashi 6ix9ine stunt double
Quentin Lopa ikr the cavities look crazy
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That was my auto tune impression
Thanks that you don't blame him, I appreciate
Yeah I know
I feel like the role of the joker is a great one to show off your acting abilities. Everyone has their own take and adds something to the character.
Or to kill your acting career.
Honestly I feel so bad for Jered Leto, if you see interviews of Leto before he began his role you can tell his idea of joker was definitely what Joaquin Phoenix’s joker ended up being. You could see the sparkle in his eyes as he talked about his role. I genuinely believe he would have been a wonderful joker if they hadn’t made him an e-boy.
Leto's still a ridiculously talented actor. But boy oh boy did the studio take it in the wrong direction. Sure, have him be a crime boss. But... not like that.
He had the look and wardrobe of a mumble rapper, and drove a brightly coloured car with underglow. Why, Warner Brothers? Whose brilliant idea was that?
I think he just wasn’t right for the role :/ He tried at least
I actually like Jared Leto as the joker. But I like the Harley Quinn and joker love story more. They should not cancel Jared Leto's joker yet
@@juliantaffa4089 I think it's also bc the Suicide Squad happens in a different universe for DC comics. They play with that idea in comics. He had a similar look to the comic book version, yes the costume could have been calmed down, but I think it also is a way to see the difference between Jokers and placing him in the Suicide Squad Joker role.
I 110% agree and I've felt that from the start, especially considering how amazing Jared Leto is as an actor, and an artist in general.
Jack Nicholson: The gangster
Heath Ledger: The anarchist
Joaquin Phoenix: The mirror to society
Jared Leto: The clown
Jared Leto : the fu*kboy
Jared Leto: The Joke
Jared leto: the retard
Jack Nicholson: unparalleled
To me is more like this:
Jack Nicholson : The Histrionic (Jack Napier was the gangster, once he becomes The Joker, he gets rid of the mob, and was no gangster anymore)
Heath Ledger : The fascist terrorist (He talks about chaos and anarchy, but wanted a whole city to do his Will, that´s not Anarchy, those are more the methods of a dictator)
Joaquin Phoenix : The true Nihilistic Anarchist.
Cameron Monaghan : The sociopath (Jerome Valeska) and The Psychopath (Jeremiah Valeska)
Jared Leto: A transgender Catwoman on meth in a weird multiverse.
it went from someone who couldn’t shave a mustache for the role to someone losing over 50 pounds for the role
AND someone losing his life to the role.
toe bro did you not even watch the video ?
remember the silly mustache pheonix had in "her"?
I believe he said in an interview that he lost 15 pounds and not 50.
Phoenix said that the 50 pounts thing was a rumor and that he only lost like 20-25 pounds.
To be fair, i never noticed he had a moustache painted over until you mentioned it.
Thanks for the can't unsee-ness by the BTW
Ledger played the best Joker that existed in the comic books' world.
Phoenix played the best Joker that existed in our world.
Łukasz Rybkowski You couldn’t have said it better.
Best way to answer
@rabidsquirrel73 Luke Skywallker, 90's Animated Joker, Arkham Saga's Joker, Animated "The Killing Joke" Joker. Practically, he paved the way for Ledger and Phoenix Joker
I have not seen the new movie but I guess it could be named anything besides Joker?
Brilliantly stated
Jared Leto’s Joker was seriously like the porno parody version of everyone else’s Joker
Jared Leto played joker? When?
@@Avarice21 suicide squad
@@thatdamncatboy7963 whoosh.
because it was hardcore?
How dare you. Do you understand the true dedication, studying, effort, blood sweat and tears that goes into making a truly good, and believable porn parody?!
Heath Ledger as they joker is one of the best acting I’ve ever seen
Zachary Gordon Not at all. But if you can’t agree then you’re probably just hating. Authorities have recognized his role as one of the best method acting in history
Zachary Gordon that’s not heath ledget
@Zachary Gordon Why. So. Serious.
@@seantk642 he never said It was he said he was the best joker and actually was that why after dark knight they stop an did the rising kight with Robin n cat woman
@Zachary Gordon the suicide squad joker is jared Letos joker dumbass🤦 did u even watched the video? Heaths potray as joker was indeed one of the best
I disagree about Caesar Romero. He loved the role, and he took it seriously. That show was immensely popular
Agreed!
Heath Ledger... what a legend. His prortrayal of the joker was undoubtedly the best thing ever, and having Joaquin Phoenix's show how the joker became the joker.... WHAT A MASTERPIECE!!
One showed us who is the Joker and the other showed us how he became the Joker
@@djantouahmed7319 yes exactlyyy 🙌🙌
Umm that was the joker. It was all a jokes. You know that right?
@@elidyson256 you talking to me or someone else?
@Still Nada Well, that‘s your opinion and it surely comes down to taste rather than any definitive right or wrong, but I found DeVito‘s Penguin just „too much“, and not in a good but in a childishly ridiculous way, and I was 16 at the time.
Everyone: Jared Leto didn't take on the role seriously!
Jared leto: *Took on the role seriously with his heart, mentally and physically.*
The producers: Didn't take Jared's life's seriously with the script they handed him!
He shaved his eyebrows and we talking about mustache
jared didnt take the script he went method the whole time...
True
Yes, because taking it seriously means sending used condoms to your Co stars along with other things...
Funny but only girls like leto joker.. guys cant stand him.
R.I.P. Heath Ledger he was an absolute legend and may he Rest In Peace
he ded?
@@applejuice8334 yeah dude. He died like right after the dark night finished from an overdose I think.
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@@Nizzumnuts thank u
@@applejuice8334 Dude its been more than a decade, where have you been ?
The Joker isn’t just a character. He is a mirror to the darkness that lies underneath all humanity. That’s why the smiles and clown like facade is so in contrast to the real world. Greatest villain in literature history.
Well said
In some cultures, the joker is an ancient trickster, sometimes evil.
To an extent. After all he's the "Joker" not Pennywise.
@@uriahuriah3792 Loki?
@@JishinimaTidehoshi Loki is a good example.
In our Native American culture there are hundreds of coyote trickster stories.
Mythical stories that have great meaning about choices. Almost like the Greek and Norse Mythology.
“Heath didn’t choose the Joker, the Joker chose him”.
He is a legend
*HEATH LEGEND*
@¿¿¿ • 12 years ago chose*
@UCH39wacUPVk_RB30j4TsqmQ chose
@¿¿¿ • 12 years ago cheese
Interesting how the Joker role has become this generation's Hamlet.
@@nolimitarmani Hamlet is a role that is considered so hard and intricate that only the most talented actors can take it on. Being able to play Hamlet demonstrates some serious acting skill while flirting with insanity.
@Blackpilled Saint It's the Shakespeare play that Lion King is based off on. It was arguably Shakespeare's best work. It's about a shattered son acting upon the request of his late father to revenge the latter's murder. If you want to watch it, I recommend the David Tennant version. Benedict Cumberbatch has also played Hamlet in a more recent rendering but I haven't seen that one yet (it's on the to-do list).
@321Ian123 i think leo can take on the role. just my thoughts though
puffinsunday muffin Leo would be a great Joker. His style of acting is borderline psychologically thrilling & his improv would suit such a role I think.
Damn the actors meltdown to pretend to be him an not even near the comics a part this
The joker isn’t a cursed role. It’s an epic role that over-scared the viewers into believing that you can only play one by being one. People need to study the definition of “acting” more.
in the 1950s, everyone wanted to play Othello or Hamlet. Today, it's the Joker.
Right? I always found the stories of Jared Leto’s pranks and antics pathetic. It comes off as performative and totally unnecessary.
It’s called method acting and i can confirm it is… smh at all these kids
Method acting is about channeling.. "Spirits", it's very real and dark, actors after that really either go to therapy for the rest of their lives, or they don't remember who they are, and stay in character off set as well, heath ledger is a perfect example, their are bjnch of videos talking about his METHOD, he locked hilself in a hotel for four months only dleepi'g two hours a day, meditating on very disturbing images, doung a ritual.
It is one of the reasons why Method acting gets criticized and is generally considered unsafe for actors. Most actors do not know how to turn the intent off once they are done working on a production.
Cameron Monaghan’s performance in Gotham was seriously underrated to me especially for how young he was. He certainly seemed like he could really capture a great joker in the future. It really seemed like he was inspired from ledger’s joker.
Yesss. The only reason he isn’t more well known is because they weren’t given the rights to the joker. But he deserves to be known! Definitely too underrated
THIS
I can't stand it when people give hate to Jared Leto for playing a bad Joker, trust me, I hate his version of Joker as much as the next guy but he did what he could, it's the director's fault for making it bad.
Edit: Ok well after hearing that Leto tried to get the Joker movie cancelled because he wouldn't be playing the Joker, that's kinda messed up.
I agree, people lovee to hate though.
finally someone who understands and isn't hating lmao
I agree
to be fair the Hole movie sucked so even Heath Ledger could not have carried it
@Alexander Rosario the movie sucked so it doesnt matter who and how acted as a Joker thats what everyione is saying
Honestly, Jared Leto's joker wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't go with the punk goth route. Like Joker would never get tattoos wtf.
Jared leto shouldve kept making music and keep away from things he doesnt know anything about. i wouldn't go to a mechanic if i wanted a cake. His dream of being an actor should've stayed as a dream an nothing else. Now his music AND acting is pathetic. i wouldn't be surprised if he overdosed too...
I liked only one of his tattoos, the hand mouth. It would kind of make sense. The joker is known to put on this smile, look insane to everyone, even though he does have his serious moments they always go back to his insane smile. I'm pretty sure if the Joker got to much into the seriousness he would put the hand over his mouth and try to pretend he's still the same giggling man we all perceive him as.
Jaret leto is good actor in bad writing
Exactly, I don't see him really sitting there letting a tattoo artist up close asking him if he likes font of the damaged tattoo and if he's sure
Agree. Jared Leto is actually a good actor. Hell the dude even won an oscar already. But when a movie is trash not even the world's best actors could save it.
Zac Efron as Ironman is funny now cus what if I told you one day Edward from Twilight is Batman
🤣🤣🤣
Yes
At least he has bat powers and not roam around telling I am rich
Lmao u right
well if you’ve watched roberts other movies he’s actually a really good actor
Willem Dafoe or Jim Carrey as Joker. That’s all I want. I’d even take a Johnny Depp Joker.
Willem Dafoe Joker already happened. But we call him Green Goblin.
Jim Carrey is the riddler though and be was great as that
I would kill for a willem dafoe joker
Willem Dafoe omg I would DEFENITLY watch that!!!
Billy Drago is the other best option
I feel like the only other person who can play joker after “The joker” move is Johnny Depp, tbh I feel like all his other films would lead up to this one... he’s a great actor and always takes on different roles and turns them into a masterpiece
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Honestly, Willy Wonka, Grindelwald,jack sparrow all kinda deranged he would be perfect.
Captain Joker xD
Idk, he hasn’t really acted in anything in decades. Just phoning it in. I doubt he has the tenacity or willpower at this stage to be a phenomenal Joker.
Johnny Depp would make an amazing Joker, IMO. I think he could really add something new to the role.
Oscar press announcement: Joaquin Phoenix for Joker
Joaquin: One small thing.. when they announce me as the winner..can they introduce me as Joker..
Damn sir . I saw what you did there and i like it 😂
joaqer
Cringe
Kaff231 lmao imagine if he really said that and than they said the award winning actor for the year give it up for Joker playing the Joker
I am pretty sure I would have Run away from the show
R.I.P Heath Ledger. The best acting preformance ive ever seen, maybe ever will see. Thank you Ledger. Some say he gave his life to the role, either way, you and your work will NEVER be forgotten.
I can't be the only one to think Pheonix should keep acting as Joker.
Well..we don't have Heath Ledger anymore.. so he's the only one that can carry it..
I feel like Johnny Depp would be great and closest one to Heath Ledgers Joker. J. Phoenix is great as his own Joker aswell tho.
@@enki2450 right.. roles like this are perfect for him
@@winterbear4949 You know not only...famous people can act, right? There are billions of people in this world. I'm very sure that someone besides 3 people can pull off a good Joker. Dont reach....
Nah, let's see what someone else can do with the role.
I kinda feel bad about Jared, he tried so hard and ended up barely being on screen and everyone hating him lol
daniisaurushax it’s so sad lol it’s not even his fault
yea real sad, he was trying so hard too, giving people rats and used condoms thinking that is what the joker is about, lmao hes an ass
@@holycrapthatsalotofketchup253 So what he wasn't perfect? It's not like the script they gave him was anything like Joker either.
Well he went on to start a cult so...
Because the other Joker already set the bar so high, imagine heath ledger Joker got oscar, Joaqin joker got oscar, and then leto's joker in middle of them,
Can we be honest about Jared Letos Joker? Jared’s acting wasn’t that bad but what really killed the character was the look they decided to go with.
KatZai23 I actually didn’t hate the smile tattoo on his hand. Had it been done right it could’ve been “joker hiding behind his smile” which is somewhat brilliant. But the rest of the look served no purpose. Which is a damn shame
His look was bad, but he had to commit his acting to that look. I only think his acting was terrible because of the Joker they made for him. Honestly how do you even behave dressed like that?
His acting was actually pretty immersive. The outfit was less than ideal for the joker's original and ideal but still not too bad. Don't really get why everyone complains about it. Seemed to fit the theme of suicide squad in my opinion.
Frankly, Jared Leto’s everything was laudable, brilliant.
Amethyst Moonshadow Because the Joker doesn't seem like the person who would go to a tatoo artist and say "hey can you write "Damaged" on my forehead in times new roman or something like that?". He doesn't look like a deranged psycho, he doesn't look like a crime lord, he doesn't look like a insane caricature of a clown, he doesn't look like anything the Joker is usually associated with. He looks like a gangsta. Maybe a crazy one, sure, but not The Joker. Could be someome that idolizes him or something like that, for sure, but most Joker incarnations don't even think they are crazy, even less so "damaged".
Mouth hand was good tho.
Even in the intro Joaquin's movie version, we can already feel the weight of Joker's difficulties in life
Actor loses weight to play role
*he's insane*
Christian Bale in the Mechanic: "hold my diet plan"
I think you mean The Machinist.
What about the boxer ? With mark wahlberg, Christian bale boned himself for that role
It's the Machinist, and his next movie was Batman Begins. Major sudden weight change in this guy's life.
Same for ford vs ferrari
50 cent : hold my effen
Ironic that the Joker isn't always serious and the actors playing him are always serious about it
@Sergio Barrett lol
@Sergio Barrett ok, here's the thing, the actors who play joker take the role very seriously, but the character is almost never serious, or I didn't get your joke, sorry
He's supposed to be a comedic villain. He kinda became too serious over the years
Same as Tony stark
why so serious
“The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules.”
Joker truly a philosopher
Dude, we have the same profile picture
A N D T O N I G H T Y O U ' R E G O N N A B R E A K Y O U R O N E R U L E !
he wasn't wrong, if everyone were good we wouldn't need rules
rules are only there for rule breakers to find their way around it
@@thecommentguy9380 In a world without rules, everything becomes a free for all.
@@pianoandguitarlover2773 "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws" - Tacitus
If I were to rank the actors I would go with
1. Joaquin Phoenix: I know I know Ledger is everyone's favorite but watching the physical brutality Joaquin put himself through when he was preparing is just astonishing, the body language throughout the film is a treat to watch and having him on screen the whole time really helped
2. Heath Ledger: One of the greatest performances in film history, Heath did incredible and nailed the mental side of things where as Joaquin nailed the physical side
3. Jack Nicholson: Brought a proper dark side to the character as well as seriousness which forever shaped the future of the Joker as a film character
4. Mark Hamil: I know he only did voice acting but in terms of an animated Joker no one does it quite like Hamil but I'm also glad it stays as just a vocal preformance because I don't think he would do physically very well for the character
5. Jared Leto: Only thing saving this preformance is the fact that Jared took the role seriously and the movie took the character seriously
6. Cesar Romero: I'm sorry but this preformance was beyond ridiculous and can't be looked at seriously
“Give the man a mask and he’ll became his true self.”
Or 'he'll show you his true face...'
MindlessAvie pretty much the purge
Quién dijo eso?
@Rosethorne
Except hackers, scammers & trolls
I like Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker, but I think most of the Joker's bring something special to the role.
Heath portrayed the chaotic destructive force of insanity that the Joker can embody.
Jack Nicholson embodied the more classic criminal mastermind Joker
Joaquin Phoenix embodied the more humane side and the fall into Darkness that likely leads to the creation of the Joker persona.
Heath and Joaquin both portray Joker well as the unreliable narrator that likes to make his origin multiple choice as well.
Cameron Monaghan did a great job portraying three versions of the Joker. But he had a lot more screentime to refine the character.
It's the Hamlet of our time. Everyone wants to take a shot at it.
Now I'm picturing the Joker playing Hamlet:
"To be or not to be . . . that is NOT the question because everything is meaningless."
@@AliciaNyblade To laugh or not to laugh.... Of course laugh
@@eagle3676 Great, now I can't stop imagining him trolling Shakespearean productions.
"Now is the winter of our discontent (Dramatic pause) made even stormier by the Batman!"
@@AliciaNyblade Well he's trolled jingle bells already so why not shakespearean productions
@@AliciaNyblade Those two were actually really good. Only I hear them in Jack Nick's voice.
To be fair. We didn't even really see Jared Leto's Joker
AkeemHimself and to be honest if the writers didn’t make Joker a gangster with tats and chains, Jared Leto wouldn’t be getting so much crap for the role
@@that1guy345 to be fair there is a version of joker groom the comics where he is a gangster so it's not like they made it up
AkeemHimself yeah but when you’re going to see a Joker movie or a movie with the Joker in it, you’re expecting a certain version of the character. And most people weren’t expecting this version
@@that1guy345 I get that but people weren't expecting Heath' s version either. The one before him was super playful and a lil goofy, he challenged Batman to a surfing contest
Random Commenter this what children said when heath ledger was revealed to be the joker lol
The role of Joker is like Defense against the dark arts
Read. Another. Book.
@@ouruncle1804 imagine complaining about the massive popularity of a Warner Bros related franchise in the comment section of a Batman/Joker video
It's cursed?
Thanks for the likes guys!! :)
Everything Fun
Yup. XD
Jack Nicholson is the quintessential joker. He mixed in Cagney from White Heat w/ some Romero into his toolkit for the role. I’m always interested to see different interpretations & flowing creativity. I want to have fun. Everyone’s so stuck on this character. Like Joker said “Why so serious?” “This town needs an enima!”
Leto has been literally the one actor WHO DIDN'T GET THE JOKE
Joaquin: "You wouldn't get it."
@Zokersghost Leto had 5 minutes of air because he was soooooo bad.
Leto is a much stronger actor than phoenix not his fault he got stuck with a joke of a script in a joke of a movie but Phoenix snooze fest joker ain’t no winner either , Nicholson had the best joker because it was the best written character
@@youtubisashoe leto is a better actor than Phoenix smh😂😂*Gladiator coughs *Joker coughs *Walk the line *The master I want to agree just to please your man crush, but his only accomplishment is looking young while on his 40s, he's good but it's like comparing a Jimmy Kimmel with David Chapelle, Phoenix is at another level
@Alex Davies joaquin pheonix is one of the best actors of all time u cant blame him for laughing when getting compared to goddam jared leto
Joker: Why so serious?
Also Joker: You wouldn't get it.
Because *That's Life*
Fun fact: the joker is based on our generation like a mirror of what we're afraid of and more...
*why so serious*
*i use to think my life was a tragedy but now I realize it’s a comedy*
Joaquin and Heath and mark Hamill are my favorite jokers
What about "he's a hunka hunk hunk"?
And dont forget "You ever danced with the devil by the pail moonlight?"
I would also add in "without me you're just a joke, without a punchline!"
And of course "Nice of you to say, Bats, but you of all people should know, there's plenty wrong with me."
"Behind the stern and batarangs you're just a sad little boy in playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy. I'd Laugh if it wasn't so pathetic. Oh what the heck I'll laugh anyway HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
-Mark Hamill as the Joker, Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
Lies. Cesar Romero is best joker!
Jack Nicholson like they said just let himself have fun with the role.
Heath ledger showed his great acting ability.
Jared Leto went a different way to not follow Ledger and got screwed by how much hit the floor.
And Joaquin Phoenix I think had to reel it in a little bit cause I believe he's already a little crazier than the Joker.
Tui khankirpola
Jack nicholas joker was perfect it was the light comedy evil joker it was meant to be heath joker was too dark but played it perfectly and the films were superb leto done ok but the film was shocking!! I've not seen the new one yet but right now for me jack still has the edge
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@@davywelsh5671 To each their own. Nicholson was great in his own way, but Phoenix and Ledger brought it to greatness. Leto was just HUNKA HUNKA
@@headsplayzone3975 Kan? Kotha toh thik bolse
Cesar Romero didn’t put much into the “Joker” character because it was a campy kids show that didn’t pay the actors hardly anything! The biggest perk of the job was eating at the cafeteria where they might run into somebody who is casting for a movie…..
There's a Joker in each of us. You just need a little...push.
It only takes one bad day...
I’m the jokah baby
@@_RobBanks you can say that again, pal
I don't want to say it but I can't hold myself... Ok here I go:
Cringe
Kroko Unseen Forces well said ... deep down somewhere (specially heath ledger one)
So what you’re saying is that for Joaquin Phoenix to play the joker it was super easy, barely an inconvenience?
Getting prepared for a role is TIGHT!
@@coffee_junky I'm gonna have to ask you to get waaaay off my back about that
He was a child prodigy actor just like his brother, i´m sure he worked hard but that doesn't mean he´s going to let a role get into his head after finish it
Also for Jack Nicholson
I saw this kind of comment every where in this comment section, is this a reference? I'm new here
Joker 2008: "Let's put a smile on that face" (But with knives)
Joker 2019: "Let's put a smile on that face" (But with jokes :D)
The way people reacted when Heath Leger was cast made me always wait to see a movie before judging the acting choice. Like Robert Pattinson as Batman
People don't know that Phoenix was already scarred for life, that's why the characters he plays feel so real.
What happened
@@dv9239 his brother OD'd. River Phoenix, he was young Indiana jones in last crusade, his last role.
@@PowerCookie1 and Jack Phoenix was born in a poor family and more...
The reason why Phoenix didn't go further into manic depression as a result from shooting the Joker film was because Todd Phillips,the director,was cracking jokes and goofing off with him behind the scenes. He brought levity on set when the cameras weren't rolling. Joaquin had fun making a movie. The last time I can recall he had fun making a movie was when he was doing that mockumentary about him transitioning into being a rapper.
Yeah right
"Do you wanna hear another joke?" Became the most scary thing we ever heard in a movie. That scene looks so real, so real that we didn't realize intense and disturbing has become one.
You talking about when he killed muraaay?
*how about another joke murrayy?*
That whole scene from his entrance to the killing was shaking my heart so intense
What really sells the scene for me was the circus-like music
Cesar Romero: Pip pip to you sir, hehehe!!!
Jack Nicholson: Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Mark Hamill: All it takes is one bad day to drive the sanest man to lunacy
Heath Ledger: Why so serious?
Jared Leto: Are ya sweet talking me boi?!
Joaquin Phoenix: I used to think my life was a tragedy, now I realise, it’s a ******* comedy
Jerome valeska?
Most of us don’t like Jared Leto’s portrayal...
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Can’t think of a quote from him and his twin brother, Jeremiah. (They’re both Joker.)
@@jennikifm2 but the actor who portrayed was great.. gotham is a shitty series btw
@@islawhiraya7179 Jerome Valeska: I'm more than a man,I'm an idea.
I think the Joker is hands-down, the best fictional villain of all time. He’s even more interesting and diabolical than the devil, imo. I love what each actor brings into their portrayal of him.
…Except Jared Leto. Especially that laugh. “Eh, eh, eh, ehhh.”
Everybody is a Joker until Heath ledger entered the ground.
Joaquin phoenix is BEST, But
Heath ledger is BEST of BEST
Isn’t.
stfu
Is
Hanson no. Hod is possible compare drama and action actors. This is just facepalm. Heath its a joker, with pathetic phrases for kids. Heath good in sin eater, but u don’t know about it, coz u love social dreamers words from dark knight eheheheh
@@Vaak100 ?
Robin Williams, Johnny Depp, and David Bowie would have been a very interesting joker. Look at the way Joaquin took on the role, he gave us a very real performance on the fact that society can make you go mad and get you to your breaking point.
And Heath Ledger was on a whole other level.
I think what makes joker one of the best characters of all time is that whoever is portraying him, can make him unique. He’s such a flexible character so it’s cool to see how writers and actors will break the boundaries for him. I’d rather see Jared Leto portraying his version of the joker than see him try to copy Heath or anyone else for that matter. The joker is probably one of the most diverse characters in the history of cinema
I agree
Yup. ^.^
To be a good Joker, I feel you need to be a really good comedian. As you said, each actor can make up their own, unique version of Joker simply by playing as themselves. Restricting a comedian to a certain theme doesn't give them much wiggle room creatively, and the more restrictions, the more carbon-copy it's gonna seem.
Agreed
same as a character like Pennywise then
Ledger’s Joker walked, so Phoenix’s Joker could run.
I see what you did. Lol.
Nicholson's Joker stood up, so that Ledger's could walk.
Need a flyer next I guess.
But sometimes you gotta run before you can walk🤣-tony stark
Tbh the first joker I saw was leto's and I actually loved his character and his scenes with harley too, and then watched heath ledger's portrayal and joaquin's. They both were legendary. I think because of all the expectancy and comparison with previous jokers is what made leto's joker look really bad.
Robin Williams would have been a very interesting joker.
Robin Williams acting crazy as the joker is a really sad image in my head
@@merryaay why? He played an excellent role of a mentally ill person in one hour photo.
@@MrLolo-xs6ob Its a little more than just " a mentally ill person"... Its the image of Robin Williams "killing because he dont feel eight in his skin" that...... I dont need to explain! whatever man
True but I would just see mrs doubtfire
Couldve been the geenie meets one hour photo.
Jared Leto didn't have a chance when he had to play that horrible version of the Joker
I don't think he also chose the way he was to look with the tattoos. Who decides this are the art team and not the actor...! They are just trying to use him to compare witth Joaquim Phoenix to avoid touching Heath Ledger's version, because a lot more people watched The Dark Knight than Suicide Squad (not to say Jared Leto didn't have a chance when they didn't make much scenes with him and cut so many to leave just some few little shots on the movie.
@@OpportunisticHunter I think you are partially right but in a lot of movies, especially with high profile actors like jared leto, there is more freedom given to how the character looks given that their performance is affected by how they act and vice versa. In lower profile films with lower profile actors, you might be right, but when you have a bigger name to put on the poster, naturally they are a bigger element and can sometimes make or break a movie. So it makes sense to cater to them a bit more. But there is a lot of elements to this kind of decision though with a key factor being the contract negotiated and how the actor's manager worked the details in. Another big factor in this decision is the director/producer since the director can also leverage their infamy against the actor depending on the directors personality. I agree to an extent with what you are saying, but I just wanted to add on since it is not so cut and dry.
Nela no Leto actually had a lot to do with the makeup, costume, and obviously the presentation. Don’t make excuses for Letos god awful performance.
But he is a very bad actor himself without any help
Quick Silver he did a great job in dallas buyers club
I defiantly believe that playing the Joker role has to be taken to the upmost extreme, considering the forts that Heath,Leto, and Phoenix put into their characters. Along with this, playing the joker should be a respectable privilege, because it is so iconic and difficult.
As soon as I heard the idea of anybody else playing Tony Stark my blood pressure spiked
Yeah, mine too . Iron man dies without Tony
@@omshree2448 ;-; literally cannot imagine ANYBODY else as Tony Stark, the Joker and Batman are more flexible in my opinion but no touch the Iron Man
Hahaha yes, me too!
Anyone who's obnoxious, narcissist and full of himself would do. And there are plenty.
Honestly if Jared’s joker had eyebrows and had a more serious tone he wouldn’t have gotten so much sh*t.
@Owen W maybe jared will be improved in the second movie
Honestly if Jared's Joker had any depth he wouldn't have had to have heard about how bad it is.
It was a bad performance no matter who played the role before or since.
@@alexanderirizarry6850 he wont be coming back as the joker.
@@Mrwigglyau he appears in the trailer of suicide squad 2 so wrong
Sal And if he was written better and prepared for the role like Joaquin and so many actors before him,rather than sending dead rats and used condoms to his co-stars.That’s just f*cked up.
Oh, explaining why actors take playing the Joker so seriously is TIGHT!
Narrator: Heath ledger passed away. The official ruling was
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Its so hard to be the joker. The laugh the behaviour the mannerism the eyes the voice everything.
True. People normally pay good attention to comic book character actors, but joker specifically turns it up a notch. There's so much to process from the character
Especially if you have a low voice
Not exactly, you have to a bit manic
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 and EVERYTHING else.
I had the privilege of being in a scene with Joaquin Phoenix in Joker. I learned a lot of the craft of acting by watching him in action. His focus was incredible.
You could be telling the truth, but I don't really believe you. Describe the scene, who did you play?
Were you the kid who beat him up?
Which scene?
People back then : Heath ledger will suck as joker
People after the trailer : He was the best
That's definitely me. I was never happier to be wrong.
@@thetribalist6923 We all were wrong.
@@joshg9470 now, I consider it on the short list for best performances, ever. Easily the most transformative.
I am still like that. Also like that with Phoenix
I thought, and told my friends and family, I wouldn't have thought of him for the role. And then we saw the film...
Heath Ledger the best of all jokers
Can*
@@razorultra9202 its a typo 😂
@snehasish Paul no he cant
@@Hollow4O1 you are so wrong. Ledger is the single most dedicated and determined actor in the world.
@@Hollow4O1 not eve close heath did the best, followed by jack then Phoenix. Jared i dont even consider a joker.
I was anticipating "it's super easy barely an inconveniences"
Someday when you are older than 13, you'll realize how repetitive screen rant is.
I don’t know why but I find it funny thinking of Heath Ledger getting ready to act, like any normal person, and then he continues to do some of the most terrifying performances ever
Jared Leto's joker seems inspired by a lot of modern mumble rappers / thugs. It was a little weird, but Joker is a weird dude. I think his interpretation was interesting
That's one of the more original comments I have heard about Jared's portrayal. I just pictured a lot of those young rappers who dye their hair and get their whole face tattooed. It could have been what they were going for. However, if so, I would say they misread their audience.
It was an interesting idea, but a bad Joker one in my opinion.
Dario CW im 100% it would had be better if that character wasnt the real joker but Jason Todd on his place... i mean, that would explain the change in his styke
Agreed
Lego joker: it ain’t much but it’s honest work
Even that mustache guy looks more serious than jared leto.
Jared Leto played well
Hahhahahahhhh
The mustache guy! Love it!
R u kidding...JARED was so serious that the other cast said that they Felt as if they never met Jared...he stayed being joker off screen and on screen....plus she shaved his moustache beard hair and even EYEBROW
You are so right... :))))))))
The role is also an academy award winning role, and can redefine an actor’s career trajectory.
I love how you guys cleared up the Heath Ledger incident. I’m so tired of people turning something into something it’s not
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You are not the only one. Face paint makes you look completely different. Joaquin Phoenix is hard to recognize with the clown paint on too.
Personally? It isn't just the facepaint. Jack Nicholson is easily still Jack Nicholson as the joker. Jared Letto's joker was still pretty Jared Letto. The difference is that Ledger and Phoenix became the joker as a character versus the character becoming the actor if that makes sense. Both Ledger and Phoenix took the role and thought about "what would the joker do? what would his mannerisms look like? how would he talk? how did he get this way?" they invested in the character. Nicholson's just was himself, and Letto was being a crazy gangster of himself, and we all know what pretty boys look like when they're being gangster without a gangster bone in their body.
@@myheartiswriting I totally agree, well put. I prefer heath ledgers joker myself, that movie rocks so hard.
Nope two different people,even Joaqin is unrecognisable after face paint
I have always felt the same way.
Most underrated joker. Jerome valeska from Gotham. The “joker before the joker” (because fox couldn’t legally name him the joker lmao)
Gotham TV show compared to other DC shows is like that illegitimate child that’s better than most of the children but the parents don’t want to acknowledge them.
@@HUMAN-fq5ff the dc shows are the best bitt about dc
@@HUMAN-fq5ff *bit
Yeah I didn't really like the show so much. I felt it was a stretch to imagine that all these characters unknowingly interacted with each other so much earlier that required too much suspension of disbelief.
eh...he was just imitating Mark Hamill.
Phoenix's Joker is the best ! i never felt so stressed, frustrated after watching a movie. but his Joker, made me feel that 👏👏
Shouldn’t all actors take their role seriously? 😂
no, they shouldn't lock themselves into a room for a month, if they are going to play mr bean or shaggy
@Andrew아니? yeah true xD, bad example
If you're gonna play a henchman who gets killed by the hero after 3 seconds of screen time, I don't think you need lots of prep time
No it's not supposed to be serious they can have a little fun too
Learn Crap Quick LMAOO very true
I think Joaquin Phoenix's early life scarred him enough that playing the Joker isn't that traumatizing by comparison.
I just hated how Jared Leto's Joker looked. I would have liked him a lot if he didn't have those silver grills and tattoos
Ya, gangsta Joker just doesn't work.
The grill is bc he ain’t got teeth anymore
@@ryanmartinez7488 Oh I didn't know that. I'm not suprised after how many times Batman probably punched him in the face. 😂
Dan Hathaway Joker is a gangster 80% of his 80 years, in the majority of his origins that are hinted at and wasn’t he that in Batman 89?
@@jacobaarum you're confusing a gangster, with a gangsta.
Leto is probably the only actually insane person to play the joker.
I feel like Leto’s presentation wasn’t rly his fault, it was honestly the script
Bs. You are just gay.
@@hanzkrupps3315 hilarious
@@blawesome57 😏
@@hanzkrupps3315 I think that was sarcasm.
The script doesn't include playing awful pranks on your co-actors by sending them disgusting gifts just to "stay in act"
How to prepare for a Joker roll:
Step 1- watch some really messed up videos on gore
Step 2-Solitary confinement
Step 3-act really good
Step 4 - Lose weight
Step 5 - shave your mustache and don't do tattoos
Also, be kinda funny and disturbing at the exact same time, pretty much.
I wanna know Who looked at heath ledger and thought to themselves - “this guy would make a great joker”. Visionary
Christoper nolan first wanted him for the role as batman. But couldnt. So he became the joker eventually
@@mikexii13 Whaaaaaat? We could have also had a good Batman in the Nolan movies!
@@marcbraun5342 maybe, just remember if he was Batman who would have been the Joker?
@@mikexii13 I do, but I think it's more important that the main character works, it really hurts an otherwise very good movie if it doesn't. And for the Joker, at least another version. For the Joker, a different version of it, I could think of Ray Wise, Willem Defoe and a few other. At least I was on eof the people believing in him for the part of the Joker because I saw him in Brother's Grimm, where he was awesome, but of course I did not know to that point that he also could be the lead. ;) Maybe they would have written the character a bit different!
@@marcbraun5342 I dont think Christian Bale was a bad Batman choice. After seeing nightcrawler i really think Jake Gyllenheal could pull it off as well. Willem Dafoe is interesting too
I like "He really enjoyed playing the character and was in good spirits" a lot more than "He went too deep into the character and ODed because he was going insane".
“Why actors take playing the joker so seriously”
Leto: you sure about that
I mean he did, maybe in his own way, but he did take it seriously.
We should all give credits to his attempt though it didnt impress the audience
I honestly think he just got a really shitty script. hipster.
cmonbruh and sent used condoms to his co actors
He took it seriously...just not in the right way.
We can all agree that there is nothing more awesome than:
*Let’s put a smiiiiile on that face!*
@Harley Harley So my dad was a drinker and a fiend...
@@aj4083
And one night, he goes off *CRAZIER* than usual...
I agree heath ledger is still best of them all
@@Anino_Makata
Mom get the kitchen knife to defend her self
@@hellfire2733
Now he didn't like that.
Not.
One.
*Bit.*
I just love joaquins joker how he's so flamboyant and the dancing that's just how I would imagine joker. And the laugh is just the best!!
Yesss! I think his body posture and the flow of his movements are the best, like the way an actual court Jester would move
Agree!! And the fact that there's some sweet in him not just evil. His circumstances also relatable, i think, with alot of people
@@fatmawati3559 :)
I actually loved them all. Ceaser, Jack, Mark, Heath, Jared, and Joaquin. They all brought something awesome to the character.
Leto got a raw deal because they axed most of his scenes in Suicide Squad but he redeemed himself in the Knightmare scene in ZS's Justice League
You should have just said “because Heath Ledger”.
this is too good
MC Cooper, u don't get it
That people took the role seriously after Ledger. Hamill and Jack did it before, but not with any such depth.
No one's belittling their performance, Hamill did great with what he had available to him which was his voice. Jack had a more comedic take. Belittling, stop
Screen rant: “what’s so funny?”
Joker: “you wouldn’t get it...”
Screen rant: “ trust me we will.”
this movie made me cry so much, as a person who struggles with mental illness, i see JOKER in a whole new light.
If you don’t mind me asking what mental illness? Not anxiety tho right😂💀
@@psydoof depression, anxiety, bipoler
oh and i relapsed twice this week. fuuuuuuuuunnnnn
@@randomchild5378 quiet
@@wuicy6227 s h u t
Phenomenal movie, everyone should watch. An absolute masterpiece
Agreed
Termigast S agreed.
Termigast S rated R
I agree, Suicide Squad was one of the best movies of the decade. Best joker ever
psteeg Thank you Finally someone who likes that movie as much as me