People incorrectly refer to the full sized Range Rover as a 'Vogue'. 'Vogue' is a trim level, first introduced with the late original Range Rover. For example, a full sized L322 was available initially in SE, HSE and Vogue trims which could be further customised via the Autobiography programme. Later in production, the L322 had simply Vogue, Vogue SE and Autobiography trim levels. Instead of calling all L322 models 'Vogues', they should simply be called 'Range Rover'. The Range Rover Sport is a different model, the Range Rover Evoque is a different model - there is only one 'Range Rover'; the full sized version.
Totally correct. As someone who is an actual Range Rover (one word, not two) is very frustrating to see someone trying to explain the differences who doesn’t know the difference between a model name and a trim spec…
Thank you for this very informative video. It has cleared up a lot of my queries regarding the 2 models. I have to say that my garage mechanic was complementary about my current car - Vogue 2008 with TDV8 3.6 diesel - compared to a sport model nearby on the forecourt; not sure why though. This is the second of the model I have owned. The first was a 2004 TDV6 - BMW diesel - and it was a dog. Great ride as they all are but I had an electrical problem that could not be sorted and it did cost me money. Your advice in this regard about having at least £1000 on standby is sound advice, but I would up that to at least £2000. My -present car is everything you would want in a RR never mind any other car. Beautiful ride, great presence on the road, super stereo system and just an overall wonderful driving experience specially on long journeys. I have to say - touch wood - that the only problem I have had so far was a dodgy satnav sharksfin antenna. Bought a replacement and fitted it as per PowerfulUK's marvelous youtube video and all is good again. Thanks again.
Thanks for the video. Came across on it on my RUclips Recommended -= sometimes the algorithm works. I hate to be 'that guy' but can I just correct some terminology please? Vogue is a trim and not a model name. The model is quite simply 'Range Rover' of which this is the third generation (L322) to distinguish from the first generation (Classic), second generation (P38), fourth generation (L405), or fifth generation (L460). The first generation Range Rover Sport (L320) which you have in your video does actually have another big difference in the chassis. It's built on the same chassis used for the Land Rover Discovery III and is a semi monocoque. The argument being that it allowed some robustness offroad, greater refinement on the road, and was cheaper to manufacture. Interestingly, the performance of the two models is very close (as you say). The L322 has 4 mph more on it's maximum speed and 0.1 second greater acceleration - not necessarily the metric for a Range Rover! The more telling statistic is that the L322 has 25 MPG combined against the Sport's 31 MPG. Though the L322 has a greater range, it's relatively small increase (20 miles) and means the Sport is over 200kg lighter because the fuel tank is smaller (over 20 litres) and it is 13 cm smaller wheelbase. The width isn't that much different - it's the height and length. So all in all, they are pretty close. The sell was the price.....L322 in that spec was £62,199 whereas the Sport in that spec was £54,950. It just came down to owner preference. I have one of the last run Range Rover 10th Anniversary Westminsters with a 4.4 TDV8. A fantastic car. One minute frolicking through the field and up the hills effortlessly, the next suited and booted and looking suave in the city. The torque is something else - 7.5t snatch rating - which makes for an off the mark experience that you never can quite believe your Range Rover is doing. A turning circle which can even make a hatchback driver cry and thanks to the 8-speed gearbox, fuel economy is great considering it's a 3t beast. When cruising you could be forgiven for thinking you were travelling far slower. That's the reason the 4.4 TDV8 engine went through as many subsequent models as it did. The interior has all the toys and luxuries which makes the driver or the driven experience truly excellent; 4-5 hours driving can feel like 1 or 2. Range Rover ownership, I think, is a love affair. Once you're smitten, you're all in. As for reliability, any car can give you nightmares. I agree with your comment - preventative maintenance is the key. Find a local LR specialist, build a relationship, build your knowledge and put it in the work. Saves the headaches and bills later. The same can be said for any car but particular Range Rover which is a high-end vehicle. It was engineered to within an inch of it's life and that costs. My advice for anyone buying second hand is to really look at that service history and take the time to examine the car so you can gauge if it's been owned by someone who 'got it'. Whatever you maximum budget is, take 15% off and pop that into a savings account. A good L322 now will be about 16-18k though prices are resurging a little at the moment. So you want a fund of about 2-3k which you can add to through your ownership. Blimey - I went on a bit there didn't I? Did you make it this far?!
Yes the Vogue is a trim level on the full fat RangeRover. The one we tester here is a Vogue, but you can also get a Vogue SE, autobiography etc of the L322 with increasingly high specifications.
I test drove a few sports before test driving a vogue... The sport just felt so cramped in comparison and not as good a quality imo ... Vogue all the way!
Yes this is true. The 3.0 is the same engine as the 2.7, with a different turbo configuration. It has the same bad camshaft design as the 2.7. It's not guaranteed to fail, but there are a high number of failures. As always, service history is vital.
@@ianmosdell not that better really, suffer greatly with turbo failures & cam tensioner failures, resulting in you got it…engine failure. But please don’t get me mixed up with a hater. I love Range Rovers with a passion in fact the Land Rover brand. I own a Sport myself & a Discovery 3 4.4v8. At the end of the day there’s a model of Land Rover out there for every persons preference. That’s why they are loved all over the world. Just look at the figures they sell around the globe.
People incorrectly refer to the full sized Range Rover as a 'Vogue'.
'Vogue' is a trim level, first introduced with the late original Range Rover. For example, a full sized L322 was available initially in SE, HSE and Vogue trims which could be further customised via the Autobiography programme. Later in production, the L322 had simply Vogue, Vogue SE and Autobiography trim levels.
Instead of calling all L322 models 'Vogues', they should simply be called 'Range Rover'. The Range Rover Sport is a different model, the Range Rover Evoque is a different model - there is only one 'Range Rover'; the full sized version.
100% true
Totally correct. As someone who is an actual Range Rover (one word, not two) is very frustrating to see someone trying to explain the differences who doesn’t know the difference between a model name and a trim spec…
Correct
Yep , I just bought a 2007 vogue , £2500 😲
While this is true. The Range Rover has been known to be called the Vogue to differentiate it from the Sport.
Great comparison, cheers. I just bought my first L322 and love it! Despite no SH and needing a new compressor it’s a great truck 😊
August 2010 the zf 8hp started with the 4.4 tdv8 and continued until 2022 in l322 and l405
enjoyed your conversation I am a new RRS owner and love it, (18Mnths) ta for the Vid.
Thank you for this very informative video. It has cleared up a lot of my queries regarding the 2 models. I have to say that my garage mechanic was complementary about my current car - Vogue 2008 with TDV8 3.6 diesel - compared to a sport model nearby on the forecourt; not sure why though. This is the second of the model I have owned. The first was a 2004 TDV6 - BMW diesel - and it was a dog. Great ride as they all are but I had an electrical problem that could not be sorted and it did cost me money. Your advice in this regard about having at least £1000 on standby is sound advice, but I would up that to at least £2000. My -present car is everything you would want in a RR never mind any other car. Beautiful ride, great presence on the road, super stereo system and just an overall wonderful driving experience specially on long journeys. I have to say - touch wood - that the only problem I have had so far was a dodgy satnav sharksfin antenna. Bought a replacement and fitted it as per PowerfulUK's marvelous youtube video and all is good again. Thanks again.
Double glazed in the sport too, and it has an in built fridge in the centre console.
Good sound advice . Simple .
Thanks for the video. Came across on it on my RUclips Recommended -= sometimes the algorithm works.
I hate to be 'that guy' but can I just correct some terminology please? Vogue is a trim and not a model name. The model is quite simply 'Range Rover' of which this is the third generation (L322) to distinguish from the first generation (Classic), second generation (P38), fourth generation (L405), or fifth generation (L460).
The first generation Range Rover Sport (L320) which you have in your video does actually have another big difference in the chassis. It's built on the same chassis used for the Land Rover Discovery III and is a semi monocoque. The argument being that it allowed some robustness offroad, greater refinement on the road, and was cheaper to manufacture.
Interestingly, the performance of the two models is very close (as you say). The L322 has 4 mph more on it's maximum speed and 0.1 second greater acceleration - not necessarily the metric for a Range Rover! The more telling statistic is that the L322 has 25 MPG combined against the Sport's 31 MPG. Though the L322 has a greater range, it's relatively small increase (20 miles) and means the Sport is over 200kg lighter because the fuel tank is smaller (over 20 litres) and it is 13 cm smaller wheelbase. The width isn't that much different - it's the height and length. So all in all, they are pretty close. The sell was the price.....L322 in that spec was £62,199 whereas the Sport in that spec was £54,950. It just came down to owner preference.
I have one of the last run Range Rover 10th Anniversary Westminsters with a 4.4 TDV8. A fantastic car. One minute frolicking through the field and up the hills effortlessly, the next suited and booted and looking suave in the city. The torque is something else - 7.5t snatch rating - which makes for an off the mark experience that you never can quite believe your Range Rover is doing. A turning circle which can even make a hatchback driver cry and thanks to the 8-speed gearbox, fuel economy is great considering it's a 3t beast. When cruising you could be forgiven for thinking you were travelling far slower. That's the reason the 4.4 TDV8 engine went through as many subsequent models as it did. The interior has all the toys and luxuries which makes the driver or the driven experience truly excellent; 4-5 hours driving can feel like 1 or 2.
Range Rover ownership, I think, is a love affair. Once you're smitten, you're all in. As for reliability, any car can give you nightmares. I agree with your comment - preventative maintenance is the key. Find a local LR specialist, build a relationship, build your knowledge and put it in the work. Saves the headaches and bills later. The same can be said for any car but particular Range Rover which is a high-end vehicle. It was engineered to within an inch of it's life and that costs. My advice for anyone buying second hand is to really look at that service history and take the time to examine the car so you can gauge if it's been owned by someone who 'got it'. Whatever you maximum budget is, take 15% off and pop that into a savings account. A good L322 now will be about 16-18k though prices are resurging a little at the moment. So you want a fund of about 2-3k which you can add to through your ownership.
Blimey - I went on a bit there didn't I? Did you make it this far?!
Yes the Vogue is a trim level on the full fat RangeRover. The one we tester here is a Vogue, but you can also get a Vogue SE, autobiography etc of the L322 with increasingly high specifications.
Wonderfully written! I'm looking at a 2008 HSE with the 4.4V8 petrol since I've heard they're the most reliable.
👍👍 Thank you - I have been wondering about this!
I think the sport looks more update, Think it ages better
Usefull vid . Yeah looking so think the V8 one is the best one . Good honest .
Good choice! That's the one I drive!
You say you should look for a L322 which has had a timing belt change. The TDV8 has a chain and isn't normally replaced unless there is a problem.
I test drove a few sports before test driving a vogue... The sport just felt so cramped in comparison and not as good a quality imo ... Vogue all the way!
I have the sport model I deleted the egr valve works better
Good enough for Clarkson..good enough for me
The RR sport is almost same as the Ford Explorer Sport.
U forgot to say the crank blows up in the 3ltr and the egrs and take the turbos out in the 3.6
Take the turbos out , we’ll that’s daft
@@ptescreen18 no the egrs are a problem in the 3.6
Is the drive height lower in sport???
Can the 4.4 TDV8 autobiography 2012 come with 8 speed with the long shifter ... Or will an 8 speed always have the rotary knob type?
The 8 speeds always come with the rotary knob - 6 speed has a shifter and as far as I know you cannot interchange.. :)
Looks like there is more leg room in the sport 🤔
Vogue is the spec not a model.
It's a landrover rangerover. Or land-rover rangerover sport.
I think the sport looks better
I do know where you are coming from. It has aged very well and it does have chunkier looks. Although for me nothing beats the L322.
Vogue is a trim spec not a model. Would you buy a used car off this man?!?
What’s the big issues I have seen lots of about crank shaft failure on the 3.0l sport models?
Is it as crazy as they talk about on forums?
Yes this is true. The 3.0 is the same engine as the 2.7, with a different turbo configuration. It has the same bad camshaft design as the 2.7. It's not guaranteed to fail, but there are a high number of failures. As always, service history is vital.
Just get the 3.6 v8 much better
Or the 4.4TDV8, which is even better.
@@chips183 Wrong
@@ianmosdell not that better really, suffer greatly with turbo failures & cam tensioner failures, resulting in you got it…engine failure. But please don’t get me mixed up with a hater. I love Range Rovers with a passion in fact the Land Rover brand. I own a Sport myself & a Discovery 3 4.4v8. At the end of the day there’s a model of Land Rover out there for every persons preference. That’s why they are loved all over the world. Just look at the figures they sell around the globe.
Sport all day not old enough for vouge