Aluminium-Air Battery | An EV battery that Doesn't Need to be Charged
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What is Al-Air Battery?
Aluminum air batteries produce electricity from the reaction of oxygen in the air with aluminum. The formula is quite simple: aluminum, + air, = power. A reaction of oxygen and aluminum in the air creates electricity and leads to a charge that can be used; they have one of the highest energy densities of all batteries,
How does an Al-Air Battery work?
The ‘fuel’ is an aluminum metal known as the anode, which reacts with the oxygen, known cathode, around it to create power. Since the cathode is just oxygen from the surrounding air, there is no need to carry the weight of another metal like a conventional battery, making it considerably lighter.
Air is sucked into the cathode system containing a catalyst to speed up a chemical reaction to separate the oxygen molecules from the air and other components of air by the silver-based catalyst that blocks co2 from entering the battery, but it allows oxygen to pass through the electrolyte to react with the water and produce negative hydroxide ions at the anode, positive ions of oxygen react with the aluminum causing the formation of aluminum trihydroxide.
Which is a white powder and electrons. Those electrons mean we can generate electricity when the battery is connected to a load like a light bulb. These electrons move from the anode to the cathode to give back those electrons that were lost during the chemical reaction.
Advantages of Al-Air Battery:
1) Aluminium air batteries require no electricity as they don't need to be charged.
2) The aluminum Hydroxide solution generated in the used battery can be sent to a recycling unit to get 100% aluminum back.
3) Aluminium air battery technology is safer because it uses only a water-based electrolyte that is free from toxins, unlike lithium-ion technology, which uses organic toxins-based electrolytes that are highly inflammable.
Disadvantages of Al-Air Battery:
1) Nothing's perfect, and neither are these batteries' major disadvantages and challenges, like the fact that it's not rechargeable.
2) The battery will no longer produce electricity once the aluminum anode is consumed by its reaction with atmospheric oxygen. It just stops working and has to be replaced.
2) An aluminum-air battery would have to be towed to a battery swap station; that's a big problem.
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00:00 - Intro
00:10 - What is Aluminum Battery
01:55 - How does an Aluminum Air Battery Works?
04:05 - Battery Swapping
05:08 - This Technology is not just for Cars
06:00 - Aluminum Battery vs Lithium-Ion Battery
07:38 - Advantages of Al-Air Battery
08:13 - Advantages of Al-Air Battery
09:41 - Wrap Up
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Thanks for considering my request to make this wonderful technology 🤩💖💖
Thanks for the idea!
Should have also mentioned about Log9 materials working on the same technology
Obviously these people have never owned an old Landrover and watched the aluminium body rot away due to electrolyte reaction
What happens to the air it uses. I dont think we have enough to spare 😆
@@michaeloffen7513 What happens to air which you inhale?
Since the aluminum-air battery cannot be electrically charged, the used aluminum anode and the electrolyte have to be physically replaced when re-used. In addition, the battery has a high self-discharge, which is why in some applications the electrolyte is only inserted into the cell shortly before or during operation. The additional technical equipment required for this is the primary reason for the comparatively low distribution and the high operating costs
Where they've been deployed they work well. They toughest part is they need an infrastructure of battery exchange stations. I suggest the reason why they haven't caught on is people having a religious zealotry for rechargeable batteries and they cry heresy for anything that doesn't fit their idea of green.
that high self-discharge is a game stopper, I hope they find a solution.
I think the sweet spot for an EV for me is:
Aluminium-Air Batteries at 100 lbs with a range of 225 miles.
2 batteries giving a total range of 450 miles.
I wonder if they have tried a capacitor shunt to create a reverse bias to prevent the self-discharge? In order to discharge the current needs to flow, so if you stop the current???
No you just cut the supply of water and no degradation will occur
The only disadvantage is that it recycle energy need is 5 times the output so you are running 20 percent efficient battery in overall system
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.. and The total fuel efficiency during the cycle process in Al/air electric vehicles (EVs) can be 15% (present stage) or 20% (projected), comparable to that of internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEs) (13%). that means e-efficiency is poor..
by far the best way to power cars in the US is to just install pedals for every passanger. Doesnt cost anything, cant be beaten in enviremental friendlyness and would make people look like humans instead of like cows again.. and as a bonus: it reduces traffic since most drivers would probably prefer not to sit in the car alone. :)
I believe you got the solution.
Can it be like one of those pedal bars that holds like 14 people?
Yay, Flintstones! (Hopefully everyone has someone like BamBam for uphill!)
Actually, it's worse for the environment. A human body produces more C02 when pedaling, which will further add to climate change.
@@jaapodac human power? in other words we would be going backwards in time !
In terms of energy efficiency, this is even worse than hydrogen. Making aluminum metal from aluminum hydroxide costs 8-10 times as much energy as can be recovered from an aluminium-air battery.
Using what method
Yes I agree Ruud. It might make sense if the aluminium could be recovered totally using solar energy. It is disappointing that your observation what not addressed in the video.
Yess you are right. It's efficiency is not that great.
But overall cost of ownership after 400,000 km is still less for this battery tech as compared to lithium ion EVs or even LFP tech used in EVs.
For this aluminium battery tech overall efficiency in one fuel cycle is about 20% which is more than current 13-15% for fossil fuels.
But overall cost of ownership after 400,000 km drive. It still costs less as compared to Lithium ion or LFP EVs.
1st of all the battery packs used in this cost almost 1/3 the lithium ion battery pack. And if compared to Tesla it is almost costs only 25% with even more or equivalent range.
Considering the real world use of battery even in Tesla we see that one battery pack is only good 400,000 km after that it needs to replaced.
Mind you Telsa only gives warrenty upto 160,000 km.
Now in terms of operating cost i don't know about dollar but in rupee terms.
For Lithium ion battery we see cost = 0.50 rupee/km
And for almunium battery after recycling, electrolyte recycling and middle man and profits included it costs = 2 rupee/km
So difference in operation cost difference is= 1.5 rupee/km
So now for 400,000 km drive aluminium cost = 600,000 rupees.
But some of the Indian auto makers have said if they used aluminium batteries with small lithium ion buffer of 30-40km(which PPL can charge for daily use)
They can get cost of car down by around 800,000 rupee.
So effectively you save around 200,000 rupees overall.
But since they are giving small battery pack of 40km which PPL can charge for daily use. An average indian only drives 35km/day.
So those with such small commute daily can charge the buffer and use car cheaply everyday.
And if they want to go on extended drive they can use aluminium batteries.
Also we are only case studying here for normal office going use of car.
But there are commercial vehicles in India who travel around 500km/each day for them charging for hours is bad for business plus such heavy use would mean less battery life that mean they would need new battery pack even early there by increasing costs.
So overall it kind off makes sense of use even though the battery tech is only 20% efficient but that is offset by cheapness of materials as compared to lithium battery.
Plus, lithium prices are only ever increasing that means lithium batteries will only get expensive from here on.
So this tech kind of makes sense.
Considering they use inert electrodes and renewable energy for recycling.
Just like we have hybrid cars today, probably we can also get combination of Al air and Lithium Ion batteries to overcome or bridge the problems of each technologies.
Best solution is hybrid cars with replaceable Al-Air batteries
@@babruwahan That is a great idea. The gas motor could be small as you would only need it to get to a place that could swap out your motor. It could be a relatively small air-cooled motor with as little as 35-50 hp. Something like a Deutz F2l511 Diesel Engine Air Cooled 2 Cylinder.
We need this technology quickly on Road ASAP
No we dont
@@fireveno yh bro I like diesel cars
@@Moro_01 diesel is alright but i was saying this shit isnt viable, not gonna work out
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Superb Innovation - Must wait for the product to be Launched
Wow, we welcome & appreciate this technology
Given that this battery type was already known when the current electric vehicles were designed I have to assume the engineers came to the conclusion the drawbacks of this battery type were higher than the positives.
Tesla's goal was to get an EV to market as quickly as possible. Not to manufacture a brand new battery technology. Not to mention the sheer amount of infrastructure Tesla would need to build out to make such a system work. Lithium was used because it was an off-the-shelf component that could get the job done. People could charge at home. This is often the case in emerging markets.
As EVs develop, other technologies will be explored. If the oil industry is truly doomed. A technology like aluminum air, that forces you to purchase a consumable from them, is the future they will probably push. I think we will see both in the future. And it will probably be modular and interchangeable (AA or lithium or something new) on many vehicles.
@@dvanomaly420 "Brand new" that's from the 60s.
@@samiraperi467 don't be so daft. Show me where you can buy mass produced refurbishable AA cells? They don't exist? It's still a new tech with little development? How about the infrastructure to swap those batteries for you? My point stands. It's such a massive undertaking it's probably not something that would take off until oil companies start becoming obsolete in the auto industry.
@@dvanomaly420 if you researched it you would find that there are things that was really problematic, like the toxicity of the liquid electrolyte. Things that have apparently been addressed as the English marine guy drank it to show his electrolyte was safe.
@@dvanomaly420 Oil isn't used to make gasoline, it's used for all kinds of stuff, medicine, plastic, clothing, lubricants, ink
The logical setup would be (2) externally accessed "bays" where batteries reside. One battery dies and the other takes over. You get a light on the dash.... You roll into a svc station and swap it out via automated kiosk/cages (similar to propane but self serve)... As long as setup is user serviceable and batteries are a cartridge style, tool-less design, these could be commercially viable.
It's logical that an energy company would gravitate to this type of solution, as it keeps you coming back for more producing a revenue stream from EV's where none previously existed.
Aluminum however is not as readily available as advertised. It requires a significant amount of electricity to extract it from the clay it is typically found in. Some producers have ended production of aluminum because the cost to produce actually exceeds market value.
I would be interested to know what percentage of the aluminum is recoverable during recycling, it strikes me as an obvious environmental travesty if we are mining copious amounts of aluminum just to have it consumed by this process. This is especially concerning given the amount of electricity needed to produce the aluminum.
Cons:
Still requires electricity at production, increases mining of earth minerals, and due to cost of aluminum production is highly unlikely to be competetive against gasoline at the cash register.
Pros:
Could be a self serve design if engineered properly. Immediatly usable with no infrastructure modification at owners residence, quicker to swap than a recharge.
My $0..02 :
Best use case is as a traveling power supply. Manufacture EV's with a rechargeable battery AND a cartridge slot for this power module. When you go on a long trip you roll into the service station, pick one up and go. The EV uses the Aluminium cell only whenever it is present, battery when one is not. At end of road trip, return the used core to the service station.
Yep what i call a hybrid system coupled with a fixed small lithium battery that would be good for 90% of trips. Then a place where you have swapable air battery in your car, abd you just go to a station to do it. This would also be very good for the likes of airplane, trucks, trains etc. With that kind of energy density it would make them instantly viable. The only downside for me would be the rate of self discharge.
@@danielvilliers612 right, one just has to swap out the air battery every few weeks. Similar to, or even better than, filling up the gasoline tank every week or two.
Is it possible to seal the batteries so no oxygen enters when not in used to prevent discharge?
Maybe a smaller battery to store residual discharge.
why not have a dual battery system that can be charged by either or both solar cell or dropping a wheel that us attached to a generator that will charged the low battery and switch to other battery when full and than also plug in over night if neccasary
I'm sure there's much more oil in the ground than there is aluminum. How stupid. 🤔
We can have a li ion battery for regular use...and for longer trips we can carry this aluminum battery placed at boot space . The answer for range anxiety .
*There's one thing that puzzles me though:* If a car using this sort of battery did run out of charge and couldn't get to a swap station, couldn't a service truck simply bring a replacement battery to the vehicle (instead of taking the entire vehicle to a station just to get the battery replaced as you suggested in the video)? This sort of thing is already done with conventional vehicles powered by either Gasoline or Diesel - we once ran out of gas, and my father simply had a friend take him to a gas station to get a small portable tank of gas we could put in our car.
In fact, from an engineering perspective, I'm not certain if dedicated swap stations might be the best way to distribute this sort of battery (delivery from a central storage facility or factory might be the only way):
I can imagine a single gas station serving at least a few hundred of cars per day (a single busy gas station gets a delivery of gasoline once or twice a day - _A DAY_); now, imagine how many new batteries a single swap station would have to store if it were to serve the same number of cars that a typical busy gas station would serve per day. I can imagine a single swap station would need a warehouse that's at least the size of a typical grocery store just to store enough batteries to keep up with demand.
A more practical solution would be to keep these batteries in a smaller number of extremely large warehouses, or even build battery factories in every major city; and people would deliver the batteries to the consumers and install them in their cars. And as for long distance travel, possible solutions include either building large battery warehouses and/or factories close to Interstates and other major highways, or even integrate overhead wires or wireless power distribution into Interstates and other major highways (thereby eliminating the need to charge or swap a battery while traveling long distance.)
it will be via gas stations. but it depends on demand and cost
You numbers are off as they would likely be a once a month switch versus people getting gas once or twice a week. So already a much lower load of cars per day on average considering there was a 100% conversion of technology. I would guess that home delivery/replacement would be a big appeal for many. If they were easy enough to swap then people could just have them delivered and do the swap themselves and receiving credit for turning in old power units. Think like an Alhambra water delivery service except you would not be getting multiple power units at once due to the 80% degradation in a month unless they are designed to not let the process start until originally connected. That could lead to swap stations being not nearly as congested at peak times.
@@grimrevan4660 what matters is cost of swap
It can be recharged and used as a liquid metal slur instead of non-rechargeable solid aluminum bricks, at least there are prototypes for both.
@@grimrevan4660 In reality, the battery will last only 2 weeks max. The natural degradation will decrease the capacity of the battery by 40% in two weeks leaving 1600 km of usage for the car owner.
Very interesting. A car might have 2 AA batteries, one inservice one on standby. If each battery provided 1,000 miles, the replacement cost would have to be of the order of $100 to make this scheme viable. Battery design would need to focus on very inexpensive recycling cost.
That would mean lithium ion is still cheaper for most people though. Most people, at least here in the states, charge at home for around $0.13/kWh. Even after factoring in the cost of replacing the lithium-ion battery every 1000 cycles, it's still half the cost of swapping.
The only way the economics of swapping work at $0.42/kWh are for people who would typically only fast charge.
Maybe there's room for both. Use your own rechargeable battery for daily commute. Charge off local grids. When it's time for that road trip, drop your lithium battery at a local shop to be charged/stored/maintained, and have them install an aluminum battery. When you get back, swap back into your fully charged lithium battery.
Having lithium battery problems, drop off the battery to be inspected, have an aluminum battery installed as a stop gap.
In general being able to hot swap rechargeable and refurbishable batteries would be a good thing. Would love to see a standard around that which doesn't impact storage capacity much. This is getting harder as more companies are moving towards making the battery a structural component of the vehicle.
Aluminium air batteries only have between 2 and 3 times the energy density of a lithium ion battery. A "AA" size aluminum air battery would not power a bicycle properly. Let alone a car. You would need a battery the size and weight of at least 2 to 3 of the lead acid batteries found in an F150 to power a car. More to provide any decent range.
@@joshnabours9102 No one said anything about a AA sized battery. Don't be dumb. Also, although aluminum air batteries density wise will be around 3x. Weight Wise it's about 8x. A vehicle powered by AA (aluminum air, not size, duh) batteries can easily achieve over a thousand miles in range. Though those kind of numbers will be harder to hit on more compact cars. Either way aluminum air batteries provide significantly more range, eliminate half the up front cost of an EV.
You can get an EV with a Lithium-Ion battery. Larger up front cost, and cheap electricity rates. Or you go with the aluminum air option, and pay pretty much what you're paying now at the fuel pump. In the long run they'll pretty much null each other out. But I have a feeling aluminum air evs, will be the ones people buy for junker prices, and drive for many years without much issue.
@@joshnabours9102 OH SH*T By AA I meant "Aluminum Air" Sorry
with a 200 dollar tax
it is an amazing tech for sure but part of the revolution of EVs is that under some conditions we can generate our own electricity to power our vehicles without having to depend on costly and limited in supply third-party components.
This makes every bit of sense to have swap stations or in case of having missed it an on road swap service. I used to favour range extender hybrid swapouts (have specialist swap out centres that take a drive unit out, replacing it with a power equal hibrid electric power train) especially in still viable diesel engined vehicles, where after a while of further development a further exchange takes place where the space of the range extender is taken up by this or methanol technology (Audi Quattro engineer' fuel idea)
The energy density is actually 3 to 4 times that of today's typical Li-ion batteries. AL-Air batteries aren't new and have been used for years in special applications. IMHO you may see these being used for the first commuter aircraft.
First of all i must admit that, I am big supporter of this technology due its advantages. Big supporter of basically any tech. that is pollution free.
The most favorable one is its doesn't mess with environment and plus the residue can be used to make Aluminum back.
As per disadvantage talked in the video i can think of having a extra battery ( if possible) or can have way to replace single or multiple Aluminum cell that are used in the battery.
Nevertheless that's an issue that can have multiple solution but i am eagerly waiting for this to be commercialized.
That will be a huge boost to EV tech in the whole world. That too without any pollution at all.
All the best to IndianOil and PHINERGY.
At a degradation rate of 80% per month, it is impractical to have a spare battery in the car. Also, nothing is pollution free, energy is needed to recycle and transport the battery.
sounds like it blows, I'd rather just leave home with a full charge every day than screw around with swap stations
Wait, you would rather spend 1 hr or more at a fast charge station every 300 miles (Tesla), than 3 - 30 min every 3 months/3000 miles. Heck 3000 miles is a traditional vehicle oil change schedule.
Most people drive 30 miles a day. 3000 miles is 100 days or 3 months. So most people would only go to swap station on average once every 3 months.
I'd rather save 10 - 20 hours over 3 months and range anxiety vs 3 - 30 min to pull in and pull out every 3 months.
Not to mention we already have aluminium recycling plants. I know of no lithium, cobolt recycling plants. And lithium mining is expensive as it is far more limited resource than aluminum.
You Americans are nuts.
I think this technology could work well as a hybrid with lithium batteries. Basically a small lithium battery is used day to day around town but if you want to make a long trip then aluminium air battery is added to give range
Lithium batteries have a lot of disadvantages. The scarce resources li-ion batteries need is also a negative point.
Great 👍. This will reduce pollution all over the world. Every country should introduce it in a fast manner.
Like they say, NOTHING IS PERFECT. I believe one of the ways in which this can work is to have a combination of Aluminum-Air (70-80%) and Li-ion (30-20%) so that worst case scenario, you will still have some juice to take you to the nearest station to swap out your A-A battery
We can use two batteries and when one drains the driver can switch to another and change the other in nearby swaping station a similar way as how the reserve fuel nobe and system works in a petrol bike/scooter.
With much lower weight you can carry a spare al/air battery and change the used one when you get to a service station.Whats not to like.
Congratulations and hope this technology makes huge revolution in the power industry
Amazing information
I wish this air battery come comes to Canada in EVs , EV which I can buy
Hopefully I my life time this will become a reality
Sounds promising, however, having to swap out the battery on a regular basis poses as a big problem.
We can have two or more batteries for exchanging the exhausted batteries.
Yes , like nio ev factory from cina, they changed battery just in 5 minutes in their changing battery station
It would be great to have two of these batteries with a 500 mile range each and change one at a time. But the battery would have to cost the same as a tank of fuel or less.
It’s cheap but still expensive if you carry 2 battery..
@@fun-native1216 with nio ev product, you just need by one, and swap your batery when its empty.. in their swap station. I think its more reasonable than the other ways.
As they can’t be recharged, we would need somewhere to dispose of the used one. 😜
Can't wait to see this technology on the road
Can't we design the car in such a way so that swapping would be like removing a briefcase and it should be mandatory for having an extra block of Al as a reserve just like lpg used in households?... I think it have a huge potential not only to replace batteries but also fossil fuels.
Check NIO
@@brianoconnor4269
These are not charged they are manufactured. To recycle you just Smelt the aluminium down again..and make a reformed pack.
Nio is not the only company that has developed a successful
battery swap technology and they are light enough to be handled as blocks and dropped in place ..or raised under the vehicle. These would work great for small to medium sized boats using electric propulsion .. and in aircraft.
Make them with a tiny emergency charging battery with a range of 20 miles, just so you can get to a swap facility.
Could super capacitors be used to store the energy given off by the air battery and delivered more economical over the life of the battery?
Super capacitors have a very quick discharge time. That is why they are capacitors.
In my opinion, this technology seems most suitable and practical in more contained localized settings. Something like warehouses, factories, etc. where these batteries could power equipment and vehicles and easily be exchanged on site when spent. This technology is really interesting, and I hope development of it continues
It is really great, as electricity is not used as a charging gateway. Water as natural electrolyte is better, with battery recyclable option as well.
Yet another "revolutionary" concept that we will never hear of again...
since they work on the principle of aluminum oxidation, these batteries are consumed and when not in use, it means that the vehicle staying in the garage discharges the battery
These might be good to extend the range of electric aircraft and motorcycles.
Sounds good but depends on how much it would cost to change every time needs replacement and someone who does a lot of driving 🚗
Thanks to all scientists and supporting staffs who's created this invention.
The current EVs with poor charging infrastructure and high price tags, are the top deterrents for potential customers. Perhaps, Aluminium-Air Battery could provide an alternative solution.
Nice technology. I believe that scientists find a way to make practical.
Since swapping stations are not common, there should be a way for currents Al-Air batteries to produce a capacity range to cover at least 3000-5000 miles range, then once returned to base, they can be swapped.
any regular gas station can be used as a swapping station
I’m picturing a future when my battery needs charging I can open an access panel, unplug and remove and replace w/ a fully charged separate battery, small enough we can handle to bring it in the house or garage to charge and be ready to go.
To make this a viable option:
1) cars would need 2 battery banks, one the first one is depleted, you would switch to the second one and then go get the first one replaced.
2) The need to create a way that these batteries can be restored to full capacity in the field. That is, you'd stop and get a new battery at an exchange station. The exchange station would then send that battery to a center that would hit it and put us fresh components to make it whole again.
These are the first 2 thoughts that come to mind.
Oh, and water, how to keep it from freezing. Where I live 0 and less is not unusual in the winter months.
What about if the batteries can be made with removable cathodes with easy access and removal, in this way you can have spare cathodes in your car trunk, and maybe drive thousands and thousands of miles.
One (fun) fact:
these batteries are a lot heavier when empty. (Nearly 50% more )
More than a hundred years ago, the inventor of reluctance motor used zinc. But becauss zinc is expensive, reluctance motors find practical uses only today. If they were able to power their boats and locomotives with zinc batteries, why not aluminum now? This technology is great. I hope our bright engineers succeed in making this technology work for the general public.
Looks like this makes EV practical like other common formats. Need not make super light vehicles to squeeze out the extra range... They could make smaller blocks that can be easily replaced and also stored in case of emergency...
Definitely its a major breakthrough in the EV Battery technology. Good amount of study is needed and am sure, it will be done and the future will be good for this type of eco batteries.
Another concern may be, when the vehicle is idle, does the reaction stop, or does it continue going on? I didn't see any mechanism video mentioned in that aspect. And if the cost of changing the battery every time it degrades, is greater than a lithium battery charging over a year, then it might not be sustainable (atleast in PV sector). However, this technology shows great promise in sectors which require continuous power, and if it could be miniaturised, then it can replace the alkaline AA and AAA batteries in a heartbeat.
As long as the circuit is open there is no reaction i believe.
Since the batttery generates a charge - and ocmmences degredation - once the electrolyte is added - could the electrooyte not be 'added' as required , just time time style, to only generate electricity when required? So the bulk of the battery remains dry?
Great to implement this program if safe in care for human lives.......great performance.....and lastly...... environment friendly saving petroleum concerns globally. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
There's a Japanese anime called Giant Robo, which uses a portable battery called sigma drive. The energy is stored in a portable canister, where it is easily replaceable by individuals.
Just amazing 👌👍
Nice information provided, what about iron air batteries
Recharging is not a big issue, we just carry a spare battery and replace them like our tires
Wow great explanation ❤️❤️❤️. I like one thing that they don't require electricity ⚡ thats quite good for choice.
Aluminium production is energy intensive. About 17,000 kWh of electricity are required to produce 1 tonne of aluminium. This means that it has a relatively high cost.
Aluminum. Aluminum can be recycled using less than 5 percent of the energy used to make the original product. Recycling one aluminum beverage can save enough energy to run a 14 watt CFL bulb (60 watt incandescent equivalent) for 20 hours, a computer for 3 hours, or a TV for 2 hours.
This being said, once it's made it cost less to recycle, but mind you the product being recycle in this case is aluminum oxide, not raw scrap.
@@evanriddle1614
Yes but its storing a lot of that energy in the metal.. so that has to be measured against the energy of transmission losses and charging a battery in a vehicle.
A lot of Al smelters use Hydro or Nuclear power but you could also store excess/off peak tide, wind or solar power in this form ... And the physical transport would probably be safer and cheaper than transmission over international super grid distances or constructing the super grid. 🤔
i don't know likely it is to develop the extensive support network to provide battery replacements on a mass market level, but i wonder if this kind of thing would be a lot more workable for things like, say, trucks, air taxis, boats and ships, which wouldn't need such extensive networks
Combination of conventional and aluminium air battery can be used to solve most of the problems
I think it will be viable due to low weight there could be options for dual battery system. The exausted battery could be replaced as soon as possible to be on the safe side.
Thank you India for bringing it up... Thank you IIT
gr8 presentation on Aluminium Air batteries. Wish this tech in automobiles ASAP.
Waiting for a commercial version of this.
The answer is simple if the battery as shown in this pro type car is capable of 2700 miles before needing to be swapped out ,you make the battery 5 times smaller which if the size to power is reduced by 5 means you could 540 miles , that seems fairly good to me , I would imagine the battery size would be some what like a shoe box , so could easily be removed and replaced into a charging port that could fit on most parts of the car by the driver .
Excellent invention. Praise God. Thanks to Indian scientists.
Sir Thank you for your beautiful explanation & gather much knowledge from this programme & wating for future, thank you , India
I like this technology... It is a revolutionary technology .. highlight is it is giving long range of traveling.. as disadvantage is concern.. we should have one more small battery for an extra 20 kms range in emergency...
real issue is the cost per swap
Exactly because they are like using mercury-lead AA batteries for toy car.... If the design could include machine it would have low overhead cost.
By using this idea, you may create lighting every where at low altitude and make the air unbreathable
This is an interesting concept and should be pursued. Whilst being able to charge a battery is an advantage for Lithium batteries there is a downside to the infrastructure needed to support this capability. This rise in demand and drive to carbon zero are almost contradictory. My personal belief is we need to pursue all the alternatives we can and that the future will be a collection of solutions. This is where I worry that we are being led into a rechargeable EV solution which may not be the final destination.
That would mean that, instead of building infrastructure to transport and distribute fuel in some way, you want to build infrastructure to transport and distribute whole battery packs. The infrastructure is needed in any case, so that everyone who needs to charge up can do it. But, unlike rechargeable battery packs, you'd need to transport these back to a factory again to recharge and then transported back to the distribution station. This would mean way more logistics! And that's just one downside. I agree that we should also accept a mix of different fuel sources for our cars and trucks, but I don't see this one as a viable part of any combination. Just too many downsides.
Diamond batteries gives 24000 years of life and power!!! We need it because I love flying cars and space travels ... I'm fed up with driving my car on heavy traffic jam
It should be used as range extender of normal rechargeable EV. So new hybrid solution for clean motoring.
The vehicle should have 2 batteries in this case
With one battery exhaust charge the other can run and how economical it is in long period of time
It can be used as a hybrid system with a small lithium battery .
How does the internal resistance and peak power output compare to current Li-ion technology?
When r we getting in market and adopted to ev cars...
Waiting since 3 yrs...but still no update..
Any idea who knows updates
The way I would see it working if the anode would be in liguid form and it would be possible to vacuum old anode and pump new anode to the car in similar manner as gasoline is pumped. Service stations with 200-300 new battery packs waiting to be replaced daily? Highly unlikely going to happen anywhere.
I'm sure somebody will find a way to protect the aluminium from degrading
Running at a stretch can be worthwhile, but occasional commuters may not opt for self-discharging phenomenon.
Cost also supposed to be high.
I heard about this technology almost 6 years back from phinergy. I am wondering what is stopping in commercializing and bring into ev market. Can you make a video of its present status and when we can expect an ev with aluminium air technology into market.
Need this ASAP.. its a break through tech in transport
Swapping batteries, running around periodically to get replacement batteries sounds like a lot of stress which takes away the benefits of not needing electricity to charge up.
How about a hybrid EV that adds this Aluminum battery into the trunk as a range extender? For long rural trips, you grab one of these Aluminum batteries from your garage and mount it into your trunk. After the trip, once you again reach suburbia, you recharge your EV instead of relying on what’s left of the Aluminum battery. At some point you swap the spent Aluminum battery for a fresh one.
Then again, not sure how much of the 2300 miles of range you’d get while also having the heavy Lithium ion battery onboard the car as well! 😀
Longway to go for Al-Air battery technology
The next technology will be super fast charging of Li-Ion battery
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Thanks a lot for this Valuable information Sir
As per cons
Just like a spare wheel we need to carry 1 or 2 Batteries to be Safe
I believe in the goodness of mankind, so many smart people out there, if this technology with those advantages still hasn't come to the public, mostly it's just because there are still more disadvantages to concern, or someone keeping it for themselves. It happens before (gps, gsm, etc)
how about having both a Li-ion battery and Al-Air battery in the same car .. that way you can recharge and reach the nearest swapping station while still having a considrably long range ....
This excellent, I believe going forward it’s a great base to start from with many improvements needed to overcome costs ,replacements and waist age also recyclable carbon filters
Decent video, but I believe hard facts like cost per kilometre etc could allow us to make a better judgement.
"Log9 materials" is an Indian company already into metal air batteries and are doing some great work. Not sure why there's no mention of it.
I think this is far better. If I have an ev, this is my battery.
Another negative is the fact that you can’t charge at home for free (if you have solar) but are at the mercy of suppliers or swap stations. Price gouging is a thing with petrol stations and would be here also. I wonder if it would work for air craft?
Kindly make a video on engine placements in different cars
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What happens when it is cold enough outside to freeze the water in the battery?? Or hot enough to evaporate the water??
If the battery is properly insulated then that might not be a major problem. And they could also come up with ways in which we could regulate they ambient temperature of the battery.
Would it be possible to also have a battery on your vehicle that charge’s as you travel and you use it in an emergency when your aluminium battery runs out of power and until your aluminium battery is replaced like having a spare fuel tank as some fluid engine cars use to do years ago
The real question is when we will be "permitted" to do low-cost-mass-productioning on this thing
Could you'll give a clear approx . Costing of a vehicle with comparing with other average cars.
All like this idea but costing is not discussed yet nor I see that when I google it. Would appreciate it
Setting up the logistics infrastructure to support Aluminium-Air batteries would be costly as you would be moving hundreds tons of freight to each service center to replace batteries for too few cars as compared to superchargers and or hydrogen solution's in my humble opinion.
In my opinion, it should be possible to replace the battery in garage conditions. Batteries could be delivered home by courier straight from the manufacturer. The used battery picked up by a courier and delivered to the manufacturer.
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Very nice information but what about technology that can produce energy for lifetime it's like atomic energy that can keep it running and running no matter what
omg the way he says aluminum. driving me nuts! and he keeps saying it lmao