I had my car detailed in the Meguiar's Detailing Bay for the day. I asked many questions about the waterless wash and I was given the following advice from Dale their product demonstrator: * Always use clean microfiber cloths. * Spray the cloth lightly to coat the fibers before use. * Always wipe the product in one direction when removing. * Gentle pressure to remove the product. * Always use a clean part of the cloth to clean a section. * Buffing is a gentle buff to remove any streaks if there are any. The demonstrator uses it on his freshly painted restoration car. I only use waterless washing on my car. It was painted 4 year ago and I still have people ask me when I had it painted! If you have clumps of mud then common sense comes into play, it needs a wash. These products are more of a top up to clean. When going to a car show it gets clean on arrival. I then clean it when I get home before I cover the car in the garage. Once I have cleaned the car then I will clay/polish/wax etc as normal. Hope that helps.
Absolutely spot on with this comment, as a topup its a great product to use water less wash, and i almost guarantee he doesn't open the doors and bonnet and clean all those door jams and seals, very easily done with a water less product
I've been using waterless washes for years with no remarkable issues arising. In fact, I've had more issues using hoses/pressure washers. Provided the instructions are followed and you have the sense to not scrub. Product manufacturers make a difference too.
I’ve tried loads of quick detailers, spray sealers/wax. The best gloss/shine I’ve ever got is from Megs waterless wash and wax. I use it on a dusty car wouldn’t use it on a dirty car.
I had the same reservations regarding these products. But used on a lightly dusted, not dirty, car they're fine. If you've got mud splattered up the side of you're car and dead bugs across the front, then maybe not the best way to clean you're prized possession. I think of them as a QD for a "slightly grubby" car......if you get my drift.
I used the Meguiars Wash & Wax Anywhere when on holiday once. There was nowhere to do a proper wash and it was better than a simple detail spray to remove the light dirt. The car still looked the cleanest in the car park even after nearly 1000 holiday miles so it gets my vote. I wouldn't use it all the time though.
I’ve used Megs Waterless for about 4yrs now. Started using it after having a car professionally detailed and polished to keep it looking it’s best. I generally use it during the summer for light intermittent cleaning between bucket washes, however bucket washes are the only thing used in the winter since the product doesn’t clean panel gaps when really dirty, unless you use some elbow grease that will definitely impart swirls. The car remains swirl free but the thing it relies on is not to much dirt, plenty of product ( think it’s 4 cleans per bottle but I used what’s needed not what I can do to make it last) and good quality micro fibre cloths to trap the dirt. Follow that up with some Gold Class carnauba liquid wax and you get a good outcome. If your the kind of person who is totally obsessed by the crap that falls on your car and gives you sleepless nights, then this probably won’t help your mental well-being. I like my car to look good but I don’t expect it to remain forensically clean in the real world use it goes through.
Can i ask from you? You have ton of experience. I know there waterless bottles Ready to use. No need to dilute. But. Can i mix in water to use more time a single bottle? For example i would have an extra empty spray bottled. I put some waterless wash liquid and warm water? Thank you 🙂
@@Noooname2024 To get the best results from the product I would stick to its intended use and wouldn't suggest watering it down, you could find yourself in a whole heap of scratches 🫣
I think, it is a very good alternative at places where water is hard to reach, or is too much waste for this purpose. I am using it on my lightly dirty car, when on holiday and there is no car wash and/or pressure washer available within a sensible distance. The key is that you need proper microfibre towels, generous amount of the product and a good sprayer.
I’ve used a waterless wash wax called ‘Greased Lightning’ for years now and never had a problem. I was sceptical to begin with and used it on my wife’s car 🙊 the very first time as a test and it was fantastic. I’ve never used another product so can’t compare. Greased lightning product is full of carnuba wax and it’s runny, the other makes I’ve seen on RUclips seem really watery. Great vid as always.
I use waterless wash at the times you mention: dust and light to light-medium dirt. I use two micro fibres: 1, damp, to do the first wipe, then a dry one to buff it. Works a treat. The car is ceramic coated, and was nicely prepared, so it's smooth as silk to run your hands over.
John, I understand your concern here but FWIW, coming from someone who you don't know from Adam, I've been using waterless washes for years without an issue and this includes 2 Hondas and you know how their paint is. I saturate the panel very well but when I make a pass I'll look at the square to see the dark line of dirt but I then roll away that section of the square and proceed to the next pass. Yes it gives me less working area but you've got a total of 8 squares. This method has never let me down when doing the WW. BTW, I do the same thing when doing a RW with all the towels in the solution bucket but I always pre-treat using the same RW solution, once again, no issues at all.
Another great video. I used to use waterless for many years before I got fully into detailing, started off with a waterless product called greased lighting showroom shine I saw on a home shopping channel. They have changed the formulae now I believe seems differnt in smell and feel, not as good. The original formula though was always good for me. My Dad got into using it and used it almost exclusively over 3 years on a brand new 3 series in black and there was very little swirls or anything. Use meguiar's waterless now and then for touch ups still.
I admit I occasionally use the megs waterless, but only when the car has a light/fine coat of dust, in that situation it’s quick and delivers good results for me, otherwise it seems like overkill to get the full gear out when the car is not fully dirty. Like you say use light pressure and plenty of clean MF towels….there I said it, don’t shoot me down guys!
I actually enjoy this product from Meguiars. I live in California and we are limited on water usage especially during the summer. I often use the waterless wash and wax for bird droppings or dead bugs on the front of the car. Few people I know use it for car meets before, during, and after for prep and fingerprint clean up. Spray product onto microfiber towel and on the car. Gently wipe. Then repeat. Thanks for your input!
Two key things you've pointed: #1 Rinseless washing is better than waterless - the ONR method has yielded me the best results vs waterless. BTW: If saving water is the reason for waterless consider that all the microfibers you are using and how much water is needed to clean them. #2 these methods are best done on a protected car. Ceramic coatings scratch resistance strength is after all against wash marring. The bottom line: All detailers need to be skilled in how to use these methods and when. For example: I've had to clean and detail cars on movie sets where we couldn't have water sloshing about. You are going to have use the method one day or the other.
Not to mention that products like ONR or Griot's Rinseless Wash & Wax can be diluted to be used as clay lube or drying aides extending the usefulness . I would also like to point out that I am currently not using these products but can see the versatility in using them. Well, maybe in the near future.
Hi Kris, I've used waterless wash cleaner Showroom Shine also known as Grease Lightning now for over 5 plus years and never had any problems. I use it on my lease cars, I work for Toyota and have to take the car back every year, they check the car over every inch for faults and charge you accordingly, they always comment how good the paint looks so I'll always use this product. Mr Bourne.
Looking forward to the comparison video. It feels as if there are a lot of risk in using waterless wash. I would need something to remove waterspots and light dirt since I live in an apartment where we have very simple garages. Maybe rinseless is the way to go?
Hi Jon, I used waterless wash for the 1st time this summer. I was sceptical like you but I think in the right situation it's a good method. I'm biased towards Shine Supply, he recently done an Instagram story about how he uses it and it just makes so much sense how he comes across. He's added it to his home page if you wanted to check it out. Cheers 👍
I use Showroom Shine by Greased Lightning as a post wash cleaner on my car. Great results as the cleaner catches anything left post wash & the polish contains some carnauba for a nice high shine.
I spend 2 hours on a weekly clean when using my Karcher and 4 - 5 hours on a 4 monthly clean. I use Bilt Hamber snowfoam, Autoglym shampoo and (on the 4 monthly clean) Collinite wax. Last year, however, I started using waterless in the winter months - provided my car was not too dirty. My car is silver and my wife's car is white and I have had no issues with scratches when using waterless. My wife even mentioned that the paintwork on her motor felt really silky after using waterless on it. Meguiars is the best I have used but it is very expensive. I now use Pro Kleen Amazing Glaze and have no problems with it. Waterless is not for everyone, but it works for me.
After years of cleaning cars, you kinda get over spending 3 hours for a full wash ext and int. Then you start to appreciate a quick hour wash without all the equipment like pressure washer/multiple bucket... Atm i can't use my pressure washer, and i love using a normal hoes with a bit of pressure and 1 or 2 buckets. it saves me 15 minutes of setup but you use a lot more water for pre rinsing and rinsing is slower.
Hello Pete, i also use Pro Kleen. Got the 5ltr container. When my car has light dust i use it, had no problems and the car has a smooth finish and glossy. Of course still wash the car and wax it.
I also use Wash and Wax sprays every time. And I always use bright color towels so that I can easily check how dirty they are. Once one section of the towel is too dirty, then I flip it to a clean section.
I currently dilute the Turtle Wax product with water and use it as a rinseless wash with good results. When I use it neat as a waterless wash I just Autofiber Double Flip cloths, I find them easier than trying to keep a cloth folded.
I use it provided that the car has had a proper wash/polish not too long ago. I would also recomend you have a few microfibre towels on hand and avoid rubbing like you are polishing the car. Simple straight lines is the key. I have had great result with Simoniz waterless. Quick results when short on time.
Hi Jon, I have a bottle of Optimum Optic Clean in the boot of my car so I can deal with bird droppings or other issues when on the road. Other than that I would not want to use it to clean my whole car. I do use ONR (pre spray with an IK multi sprayer first before wiping). One thing I would alter from your use is I would use a clean side of the cloth for each wipe.
Had a bottle given to me as a present many years ago. Couldn't face using it on the car's paintwork so ended up cleaning the windows on the house instead! Certainly no good for ingrained dirt, but the rain did bead off nicely afterwards! 😀
I know it's waterless, but when I washed my car and didn't have water mains years ago, I would literally just bring a 1 litre jug of warm water from the kitchen tap with me. Now you're using the waterless as detergent and a wet warm cloth to wipe, and then a second dry one. The results were much better and I could sleep a little easier at night, less if that swirly feel/sound.
i like to use a large plush drying / towel as if find it picks up dust and dirt easier ,i also put a few sprays on the towel aswell as the paintwork and roll it over the paintwork like you did
I used to be a valeter (valet) and used it on my work van... It was quite dirty and I was satisfied with the results..It wasn't my van but I was still OCD. I think these are OK as long as it's just stuff accumulated 2-3 days after an automatic car wash, which do more damage in my opinion. Plus its a wax. So the next car wash was better.. I give them a thumbs up!
I've used ecosmart, masterson's waterless and ammo frothe, and like you said you want to do it just slightly dusty kind of car in my opinion and it can work fine but I guess it always has slight more chance to scratch or mar the paint while doing it. What I'm most worried about it is when you spray a panel like the panel you used on this video, the towel is going to touch the other panel next to it like the bonnet here slightly where there is not much product maybe just some overspray or even none and your towel wipes over it I think there is the biggest risk of marring the paint with this kind of wash. Another problem I have is when you cleaned the panels around the panel you are doing now you get overspray there and you kind of constantly have to go back to get that bit off and this really slows down the process. I have to say though that the ammo frothe is my favorite so far of these product and totally different kind of feel to it when you actually foam the car and wipe the foam off. Quite a bit slower process but most likely the safest and you can probably use it on slightly more dirtier paint than you would use the other products. Thanks for your comparison test always great to watch these.
I agree with you. The more fluid and lubrication the less you will scratch the paint. I wonder if you could achieve the same with a good rinse and dry?
Recently stored my classic mini. It's been put away clean from traditional washing and waxing. I want to keep the car wiped off in the garage once every couple weeks. Is a waterless wash suitable for this if the car has been stored clean and won't be outside again until late spring?
yes mate its ideal for this. something like ONR or Mckees 914. Any of the rinseless concentrates. Koch have one coming out. Im doing a proper Best of video comparing them all soon.
I’ve used meguiars on a slightly dirty car, it worked very well. I used a lot of towels though. What does everyone think of dropless valeting company? They do waterless washes on very dirty cars
Meg’s Ultimate Wash and Wax is a good product when used correctly. I would never want to use a waterless product in a car that has more than light soiling on the paint. For dust, watermarks and bug splats I think they’ll be fine to use on. Mud, traffic film and any other types of heavier soiling then it’s time to bust out the pressure washer and buckets. You were using the products correctly, however I find it’s best to load the first wiping towel with product, as well as spraying it liberally on each panel. It might seem wasteful, but the more solution and lubricity between the panel and the towel = less chance of fine scratches. I wipe in linear motions, mostly downwards, with no pressure on the towel. I just let the weight of it naturally move the product and dirt away. I also let the product sit for a minute or so after spraying. The bottle says you can wipe immediately, but I’m in the same boat as you. I feel it’s best to leave it to encapsulate some of that dirt before wiping. The second towel I use for the final wipe is a plush Korean buffing towel, just because it’s super soft. Great video as always. Maybe you could get some test panels, correct the paint on them, and then soil them before cleaning with these types of products. Then you could observe the areas with a spotlight to see if they’ve inflicted any marring or scratching. Would be interesting to see.
When I do this, I use much more liquid than you did in the video. Also, one wipe with the towel and flip it. You did the whole fender with one bit of microfiber, I would have probably used 3 sides plus a 4th for the final buff. The Everest 550 is a great towel to use.
I've been using William's waterless wash for years with no problem on my very dirty car had the car from new 2012 and no major problems cleans as its says spray in on buff it up, but I've been watching your channel and I've fully sti
quick question......do you think it would be safer to use a waterless wash product with a microfiber towel soaked in ONR solution (I keep a bucket with onr solution along with microfiber towels) and use waterless wash as normal just with a microfiber soaked in onr as I feel it may be safer to do that as opposed to just spraying waterless wash with a dry microfiber towel. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated
I’ve used Showroom Shine by Greased Lightning for many years - mainly as a detailing spray following a snow foam, two bucket and mitt wash, before the advent of the latest generation of detailing sprays we’ve seen in recent years. It’s obviously thicker than a true detail spray but it is a very good detailer, can be used on all exterior surfaces (except the windscreen) I also still use it today for cleaning door sills and shuts, boot and bonnet areas etc after a proper wash it’s great for that as part of your finishing routine, as well as being a good detailing ‘troubleshooter’. I have used it a few times as a waterless wash when pressed for time on an older lightly soiled ‘daily driver’ car to spruce it up, and I’ve never had any scratches when used correctly - you do need to use a few microfibres though to prevent any risk of scratching in my experience. Personally I wouldn’t use it or any waterless wash on a really dirty car nor my “pride and joy’s” full exterior paintwork no matter how lightly soiled.
Thanks very much for this as here in South Africa we have had a rough drought and weren't allowed to use water to wash cars at all not even from a bucket or anything. Obviously thee products became popular here but I don't liken them either. Now we can use water again but not from a hose or pressure washer unless it's rain collected water etc. It's really tough keeping a car clean in a drought environment as I have to take it to be washed at a car wash place.
Hi buddy. Great channel. I’ve subscribed. Ok my opinion of these waterless wash sprays is that there is a place for them. I’ve been dry humping my Civic Type R this summer with the Turtle Wax waterless wash. I didn’t have much faith in it and was worried about damaging the car too. But I’ve found if used in the right conditions and with a bit of technique they do perform well. I have found they are best used on a car with minimal dirt - I.e. a light coating of summer dust, fingerprints and water marks. Ideal if you want to go for a drive and want your car to look good whilst doing so. In terms of technique spray on one panel at a time, gently wipe the dirt off with a clean microfibre cloth in one direction. The product will dry. Buff with another clean cloth. The results are good for a quick detail. Definitely wouldn’t use on a muddy car.
Belated comment because I've just used a waterless wash for the first time. This was Gardx Dry Wash which my neighbour gave me (he'd had his car done with Gardx by the dealer but never washes the car himself going to the Tesco handwash). Obviously I am not doing much driving at the moment but the car had about 2 weeks worth of dust etc on it. It had rained hard overnight and this had removed most of the dust. I found the product re-assuringly slick - little or no scraping - and the finish was pretty good. I absolutely would not use on a really dirty car, or a car with that Saharan type sand we get if the rain is coming from a southerly direction or if I had a prestige motor (it's a Honda Jazz) but I think these products have a place perhaps sitting between a quick detailer and a maintenance wash? I can see why a purist would wince though.
Each cloth has 8 squares. The roll helps alot. Microfiber naturally picks up dirt so youre using a fresh area each time by rolling. U needed about 4 squares to do that panel as you should never put the part that took up dirt on the paint. Thats the best way i can describe it, at auto shows this is your only option so knowing how to do it correctly will save you a lot of headaches. If done correctly, you will get no scratches.
I have classic Minis that are known to just rust like mad. I use the meguairs just for light dust as they are dry weather cars. Wouldn't use it on my daily drivers. Keep the content coming mate new to the channel but its very educational mate top job.
I use a spray wax with heavy protection and polycylizane ability. Soak panel and a couple of sprays on microfiber and rolling technique then a separate towel to buff and dry. I've never had any scratching there may be micro marring but the sealant and wax hides that if there is no problems even on black paint. Favorite product carplan demon shine 10:1 and gives a good couple of weeks protection also work well as clay lube and spray to extend polishing sets if using a dusty compound.
Sorry a bit late to the party here. I've always worried about whether these 'waterless washes' will remove any protection i.e. waxes already on the car?
I use the Meguiars Waterless Wash & Wax, it works great on lightly dusty car. I use it liberally & spray the microfiber I'm using & it does a great job. I would not use it on a heavily dirty car. My car is gradge kept, so it's never really more than dusty.
I just used the meguiars waterless wash and wax for the first time this weekend! Was sceptical and felt wrong but I brought it for the wife’s car which doesn’t go far and is well protected just needs a little freshen up every couple of weeks. Actually done a good job, couldn’t notice any new swirling, definitely felt better as the removal cloth got saturated with product. I definitely recommend using decent microfibre cloths and wouldn’t use them on a new car or one that’s not well waxed. Great for a quick shine but not a serious detailing product I don’t think
I've never used them and never will. I have a ceramic coating on my car and I'm religious about how and when I clean my car. Thanks for another interesting video.
Actually having a ceramic coated car makes waterless/rinseless even easier and safer as the coating prevents any dirt/contaminants from bonding and increases the hardness of the clear from like 3H to like 9H typically.
When you do the full review Jon, can you organise a vehicle with softer paint? Perhaps a Japanese variety. The hardness BMW paint will easily resist any towel or light dust induced marring. A soft paint won’t hide anything and be a more accurate test bed for waterless washes.
I have a waterless wash from Pure Definition that I have only used once. It is ok but I prefer not to use any waterless wash. I was thinking to actually use it when I wash my car and spray it over the wet pain then dry the car or used it as clay lube... Kind of like a quick detailer. Not sure if it will work or if it is a good idea.
I use the Ammo Waterless Wash and it’s really good. Devised by one of my Detailing Gurus Larry Kosilla from the US. I do understand your reticence in using the two your are talking about on this video but you should try the Ammo one before you make a final judgement on the waterless wash procedure. The main differences in the Ammo product is it uses a handheld foaming aerator to create a thick moisturising foam that really does caress the paintwork when wiped off, carefully of course, with decent microfibres and using quite a few of them for each car. I normally use about 6-8 for each job. Half to wipe, the other half to buff. Leaves no streaking and a pretty good gloss sheen too. The only downside is you have to order it from the US so it takes about a week or so to arrive and it’s fairly expensive. Worth it though if you have little time or no access to an outside tap. Simon R. (Fellow UK Detailer)
After using one everyday on my vehicle for a week I felt the same as you. My plan for winter is to spray the panel off with a pump sprayer then you the waterless wash on a damp panel but both my vehicles are ceramic coated
I find it interesting that some comments are from those who've never used such products. We have 4 cars (well, 3 + a van) and have used Meguiars Express Wash & Wax (D11501) for many years now, on these and previous cars. Admittedly I only use it on lightly dusty surfaces - not those with thick road dirt. It is used daily on my partner's car that has to be parked under a tree in her staff car park 5 days a week. I've never had a problem of any description. I use a bobbly/chenille/noodle type mitt or sponge (2 or 3 double sided mitts for the whole car) with the product sprayed on the mitt as well as on the panel. Obviously an element of common sense and care is required, as with any aspect of car cleaning, but I have no hesitation in using Wash & Wax on any of our cars - including my 5 Series in Sophistico Grey (which would show swirls very easily) and even my double concours winning 43 year old RR Silver Shadow. Keep up the great work Jon. I'm just about to visit Patreon!
I don’t have a hose in my apartment complex so I use two buckets one with soap and water and one with water first I pre soak the car with water and a spry bottle then I wash it with very light pressure then I use the waterless wash or a detailer to dry it that way it reduces the scratches the most.
Tried the waterless wash years ago but on my late fathers Audi A6 JML product left a beautiful shine for a couple of weeks again i didn’t like using it on the soil’y bits around the arches kept having to rinse the 1 microfibre supplied
The only real issue is there is no pressure behind it to blast off loose grit. But I've never caused scratches from using it. Just got to wipe rather than scrub and leave enough time for the wax to soak in. The wax is a much better lubricant than water. I'm using the Pro-Keen stuff at the moment. It's much cheaper than Meguires and comes in 5L tubs. Though the finish isn't as nice. I can just fill up a big pressure sprayer and spray it much more efficiently (and get some pressure behind it).
i used the Williams dry wash system a few years ago and i thought the idea was to wash the car normally, do a coat of the williams or whatever the product is as a base, then next time you could use the waterless system without the initial wash. i seem to remember you have to start with a clean car though. its the initial coat that protects from the dirt etc as a layer above the car. All this said i still stopped using it because it just didnt give the protection a proper wash does
I'm getting married over the weekend and using the pride and joy as a wedding car - I was thinking of buying one of these just to tie it over, I won't have time in the morning to wash it so would give it a full clean 24 hours before. It's a black car and the dust settles so quick, what you recon?
I have just ordered this "Optimum No Rinse Car Wash & Shine 8oz **Rinseless Car Washing**" as I watched a Canadian Detailer give it a review.... He was a big convert, to his surprise also!
For me the best waterless cleanser is meguiar's detailer D115 express wash and wax!. Super lubricating, super visual, and very good water-repellent effect!, in 4:1 dilution (up to 20:1 when used in direct sunlight) I simply love it. On a dusty car (in the sun or inspection light) no swirls, no micro-scratches or hazing. And it's cheaper than the consumer version, I love using it for ceramic coating maintenance because it doesn't reduce hydrophobic performance, quite the contrary.
I do a combo waterless/rinseless. Throw 6-8 nice MF towels in a bucket with ONR or your rinseless solution of choice. Presoak a panel similar to how you did, but more generous. The do a rolling swipe like you did, but only ONE pass per side of towel, then flip/fold/repeat. Then follow with plush drying towel.
I use Opti clean. 5-6 500 gsm towels for the initial swipe and then a couple 16x24 Pluffle towels for the final buff. You are not dry humping if the paint is wet and the towel is dampened first. As long as theres not heavy dirt stuck to the paint, a waterless wash is plenty safe. Think about it, a waterless wash solution has WAY more lubricity than any soap and water will have. Technique is important. I fold my towel in 8ths, one swipe per section. A dirty side NEVER touches the paint again. My final buff towels stay clean and never get dirty.
I bought a brand-new car in 2019 and have only washed it with waterless car wash. After two and half years of using only waterless car wash, I cannot see any scratches on the paint even under a strong light. After two and a half years of using waterless car wash, the car still looks brand new. I find it great for cleaning car windows and plastic, but don't spray it on the windshield as it might smear, and don't use it on a very muddy car. I live in a unit and the thing I like about waterless car wash is I don't have to wash the entire car in one go like you would if you used a bucket of suds. It's not messy and time permitting, I can wash part of the car one day and the rest of the car the next day. Also, it has been proven that waterless carwash is less polluting than using a hose or bucket of suds. Tests have been done where light dusting on a car has been carefully removed and only amounts to about half a teaspoon of dust, yet washing a car with a hose could use from 20 to 50 gallons of water just to remove half a teaspoon of dust. If you shop around, you can buy waterless car wash in bulk container. I buy a 5LT container which works out about $3 a car wash depending on the size of the car.
I've used 2 products Shine Armour and Hydroflex , supposedly waterless wash . I've never done direct on dirt and wouldn't recommend. I have found if you wash as normal and spray as finish it does do a good job . Like i said i wouldn't risk doing direct on dirt
Watching this was agony. I watched the first 3 minutes, paused the video and my car parked on the drive was covered in swirls. That's how bad a waterless wash is, it can scratch your paint work even over the internet.
I’ve been using autokit waterless wash and wax on my motorcycle for years. It still looks mint👍 I use it cos I don’t wash my bike outside. It works really well, but some of the smaller parts to get very light scratches but nothing a once over with the DA doesnt sort out👍 and I use it after every ride so it’s not like it’s really dirty when I clean it.
I always keep a bottle in the boot for bird poo season as it’s great stuff for when your out and you come back to your car and it’s got white blobs on the roof. Just spray on and leave for a few minutes then lightly wipe off.
I was sent a waterless wash product but haven't been able to bring myself to use it. I'm not short of water up here so I don't really feel the need to try it but I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually. 😬
ieww im gettting goosebumps of the feeling the dirt on the paint noises, nope im not using these on my car untill i get proof it doesnt scratch, which for sure it does!
I've used the megs on my car with heavy road film and it was fine. I went heavy with the product (4/5ths of a bottle) and plenty of clean towels. It's an expensive way to half arse your car cleaning 😂I wouldnt do it's frequently but it can get you out of a bind. I've also used showroom shine on my skyline which had some light dust and road film and it also did well. White residue is awful though.
In the winter when I cannot get my hose and buckets out I will go through a touchless carwash. Afterwards I have used the meguiars brand to go over the car and do a final wipe down
I wash the car with water and shampoo quickly.. expect water run mark especially on dark colours.. then use these waterless wash sprays to give it a deeper clean and polish... also great to keep in the boot for a fast dirt, dust removal or bird dropping between washes.
For light dust I use a lambs wool duster , if you scratch your car using one of them then you shouldn’t clean your car. After removing dust I use a waterless wash all the time. I should mention this is on a car with a ceramic coating and never sees rain or snow.
I don't have a garage an if my cars just got the dust on it then doing a contact wash just doesn't seem worth it so am willing to try the waterless wash an wax an see what it's like.
I have a question for you ? How do you get rid of wax and sealants from your clear coat such as soft fusso 99/ polmers and ceramic coatings that general degreasers and ipa won't get rid of it, so you can get to paint correction rather than polishing over these coatings, and not actually doing minimal correction , I would love to see a video on this.
If you can't get it off chemically using APCs, IPAs or a panel wipe/body solvent you have to use a cleaner/polish and mechanically remove it. Just be sure to clean your pads after each pass or switch to a new pad as it will quickly "load up" with the sealant/wax/coating you are removing. I am sure you can find multiple videos explaining the process on Apex Detail, Car Craft Auto Detailing, Dallas Paint Correction, The Rag Company, Chemical Guys and AMMO NYC's channels. Some coating are so strongly bonded they actually require wet sanding.
I have the Meguiars too. I only use these products to clean door jams, with a plush microfiber, they make things easy. But... I wash my car every week so it never gets really dirty. I don't trust quick detailers on my paint, they make me feel uneasy..
Anyone else see the irony of the Superdry T Shirt 😂😂😂
Went down to comment about it and saw you beet me too it, 😂
Sideways Kris
It doesn’t make the wearer superdry, it make women superdry when they see you wearing it 😂
and you beat me to it too @@tonyosullivan2382
If you have to do this... I'd suggest spraying the microfiber too as well as the panel.
I had my car detailed in the Meguiar's Detailing Bay for the day. I asked many questions about the waterless wash and I was given the following advice from Dale their product demonstrator:
* Always use clean microfiber cloths.
* Spray the cloth lightly to coat the fibers before use.
* Always wipe the product in one direction when removing.
* Gentle pressure to remove the product.
* Always use a clean part of the cloth to clean a section.
* Buffing is a gentle buff to remove any streaks if there are any.
The demonstrator uses it on his freshly painted restoration car.
I only use waterless washing on my car. It was painted 4 year ago and I still have people ask me when I had it painted!
If you have clumps of mud then common sense comes into play, it needs a wash. These products are more of a top up to clean. When going to a car show it gets clean on arrival. I then clean it when I get home before I cover the car in the garage.
Once I have cleaned the car then I will clay/polish/wax etc as normal.
Hope that helps.
Absolutely spot on with this comment, as a topup its a great product to use water less wash, and i almost guarantee he doesn't open the doors and bonnet and clean all those door jams and seals, very easily done with a water less product
I agree! Follow the instructions and it’s perfect as a top up.
I've been using waterless washes for years with no remarkable issues arising. In fact, I've had more issues using hoses/pressure washers. Provided the instructions are followed and you have the sense to not scrub. Product manufacturers make a difference too.
Hi can we speak I need some guidance
I’ve tried loads of quick detailers, spray sealers/wax. The best gloss/shine I’ve ever got is from Megs waterless wash and wax. I use it on a dusty car wouldn’t use it on a dirty car.
I had the same reservations regarding these products. But used on a lightly dusted, not dirty, car they're fine. If you've got mud splattered up the side of you're car and dead bugs across the front, then maybe not the best way to clean you're prized possession. I think of them as a QD for a "slightly grubby" car......if you get my drift.
Yes... when it's too much for QD, but not enough for getting the pressure washer out.
I used the Meguiars Wash & Wax Anywhere when on holiday once. There was nowhere to do a proper wash and it was better than a simple detail spray to remove the light dirt. The car still looked the cleanest in the car park even after nearly 1000 holiday miles so it gets my vote. I wouldn't use it all the time though.
I’ve used Megs Waterless for about 4yrs now. Started using it after having a car professionally detailed and polished to keep it looking it’s best. I generally use it during the summer for light intermittent cleaning between bucket washes, however bucket washes are the only thing used in the winter since the product doesn’t clean panel gaps when really dirty, unless you use some elbow grease that will definitely impart swirls. The car remains swirl free but the thing it relies on is not to much dirt, plenty of product ( think it’s 4 cleans per bottle but I used what’s needed not what I can do to make it last) and good quality micro fibre cloths to trap the dirt. Follow that up with some Gold Class carnauba liquid wax and you get a good outcome. If your the kind of person who is totally obsessed by the crap that falls on your car and gives you sleepless nights, then this probably won’t help your mental well-being. I like my car to look good but I don’t expect it to remain forensically clean in the real world use it goes through.
Can i ask from you? You have ton of experience.
I know there waterless bottles Ready to use. No need to dilute.
But. Can i mix in water to use more time a single bottle?
For example i would have an extra empty spray bottled. I put some waterless wash liquid and warm water?
Thank you 🙂
@@Noooname2024 To get the best results from the product I would stick to its intended use and wouldn't suggest watering it down, you could find yourself in a whole heap of scratches 🫣
I think, it is a very good alternative at places where water is hard to reach, or is too much waste for this purpose. I am using it on my lightly dirty car, when on holiday and there is no car wash and/or pressure washer available within a sensible distance. The key is that you need proper microfibre towels, generous amount of the product and a good sprayer.
I’ve used a waterless wash wax called ‘Greased Lightning’ for years now and never had a problem. I was sceptical to begin with and used it on my wife’s car 🙊 the very first time as a test and it was fantastic. I’ve never used another product so can’t compare. Greased lightning product is full of carnuba wax and it’s runny, the other makes I’ve seen on RUclips seem really watery. Great vid as always.
I've used it too, really good stuff!
I’ve used Greased Lighting a lot and it’s a great product for dusty to light dirty cars. Seems to remove road tar nicely too. 👍
I use waterless wash at the times you mention: dust and light to light-medium dirt. I use two micro fibres: 1, damp, to do the first wipe, then a dry one to buff it. Works a treat. The car is ceramic coated, and was nicely prepared, so it's smooth as silk to run your hands over.
John, I understand your concern here but FWIW, coming from someone who you don't know from Adam, I've been using waterless washes for years without an issue and this includes 2 Hondas and you know how their paint is.
I saturate the panel very well but when I make a pass I'll look at the square to see the dark line of dirt but I then roll away that section of the square and proceed to the next pass. Yes it gives me less working area but you've got a total of 8 squares. This method has never let me down when doing the WW.
BTW, I do the same thing when doing a RW with all the towels in the solution bucket but I always pre-treat using the same RW solution, once again, no issues at all.
I have found they work better as a quick wax after washing and drying the car if you haven’t got time to fully wax your car property.
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Why would you not use a dedicated qd or spray wax then?
Josh Mawson some have them already have wax in them i use them as a quick once over when my car is on a display stand at a show
"When you see the orange peel" ...i actually LOL'ed at that ....love your video's Jon keep them coming .
Another great video. I used to use waterless for many years before I got fully into detailing, started off with a waterless product called greased lighting showroom shine I saw on a home shopping channel. They have changed the formulae now I believe seems differnt in smell and feel, not as good. The original formula though was always good for me. My Dad got into using it and used it almost exclusively over 3 years on a brand new 3 series in black and there was very little swirls or anything. Use meguiar's waterless now and then for touch ups still.
I admit I occasionally use the megs waterless, but only when the car has a light/fine coat of dust, in that situation it’s quick and delivers good results for me, otherwise it seems like overkill to get the full gear out when the car is not fully dirty. Like you say use light pressure and plenty of clean MF towels….there I said it, don’t shoot me down guys!
I actually enjoy this product from Meguiars. I live in California and we are limited on water usage especially during the summer. I often use the waterless wash and wax for bird droppings or dead bugs on the front of the car. Few people I know use it for car meets before, during, and after for prep and fingerprint clean up.
Spray product onto microfiber towel and on the car. Gently wipe. Then repeat.
Thanks for your input!
Two key things you've pointed:
#1 Rinseless washing is better than waterless - the ONR method has yielded me the best results vs waterless. BTW: If saving water is the reason for waterless consider that all the microfibers you are using and how much water is needed to clean them.
#2 these methods are best done on a protected car. Ceramic coatings scratch resistance strength is after all against wash marring.
The bottom line: All detailers need to be skilled in how to use these methods and when. For example: I've had to clean and detail cars on movie sets where we couldn't have water sloshing about.
You are going to have use the method one day or the other.
Not to mention that products like ONR or Griot's Rinseless Wash & Wax can be diluted to be used as clay lube or drying aides extending the usefulness . I would also like to point out that I am currently not using these products but can see the versatility in using them. Well, maybe in the near future.
If you have time to do a full car wash or wait for paint failure.
Great using these at shows to quickly clean the car after driving to the show
Hi Kris, I've used waterless wash cleaner Showroom Shine also known as Grease Lightning now for over 5 plus years and never had any problems. I use it on my lease cars, I work for Toyota and have to take the car back every year, they check the car over every inch for faults and charge you accordingly, they always comment how good the paint looks so I'll always use this product. Mr Bourne.
Looking forward to the comparison video. It feels as if there are a lot of risk in using waterless wash. I would need something to remove waterspots and light dirt since I live in an apartment where we have very simple garages. Maybe rinseless is the way to go?
Hi Jon, I used waterless wash for the 1st time this summer. I was sceptical like you but I think in the right situation it's a good method. I'm biased towards Shine Supply, he recently done an Instagram story about how he uses it and it just makes so much sense how he comes across. He's added it to his home page if you wanted to check it out. Cheers 👍
I use Showroom Shine by Greased Lightning as a post wash cleaner on my car. Great results as the cleaner catches anything left post wash & the polish contains some carnauba for a nice high shine.
I spend 2 hours on a weekly clean when using my Karcher and 4 - 5 hours on a 4 monthly clean. I use Bilt Hamber snowfoam, Autoglym shampoo and (on the 4 monthly clean) Collinite wax. Last year, however, I started using waterless in the winter months - provided my car was not too dirty. My car is silver and my wife's car is white and I have had no issues with scratches when using waterless. My wife even mentioned that the paintwork on her motor felt really silky after using waterless on it. Meguiars is the best I have used but it is very expensive. I now use Pro Kleen Amazing Glaze and have no problems with it. Waterless is not for everyone, but it works for me.
After years of cleaning cars, you kinda get over spending 3 hours for a full wash ext and int. Then you start to appreciate a quick hour wash without all the equipment like pressure washer/multiple bucket... Atm i can't use my pressure washer, and i love using a normal hoes with a bit of pressure and 1 or 2 buckets. it saves me 15 minutes of setup but you use a lot more water for pre rinsing and rinsing is slower.
Hello Pete, i also use Pro Kleen. Got the 5ltr container. When my car has light dust i use it, had no problems and the car has a smooth finish and glossy. Of course still wash the car and wax it.
I also use Wash and Wax sprays every time.
And I always use bright color towels so that I can easily check how dirty they are. Once one section of the towel is too dirty, then I flip it to a clean section.
I currently dilute the Turtle Wax product with water and use it as a rinseless wash with good results. When I use it neat as a waterless wash I just Autofiber Double Flip cloths, I find them easier than trying to keep a cloth folded.
I use it provided that the car has had a proper wash/polish not too long ago. I would also recomend you have a few microfibre towels on hand and avoid rubbing like you are polishing the car. Simple straight lines is the key. I have had great result with Simoniz waterless. Quick results when short on time.
Hi Jon, I have a bottle of Optimum Optic Clean in the boot of my car so I can deal with bird droppings or other issues when on the road. Other than that I would not want to use it to clean my whole car. I do use ONR (pre spray with an IK multi sprayer first before wiping). One thing I would alter from your use is I would use a clean side of the cloth for each wipe.
Had a bottle given to me as a present many years ago. Couldn't face using it on the car's paintwork so ended up cleaning the windows on the house instead! Certainly no good for ingrained dirt, but the rain did bead off nicely afterwards! 😀
I have been using the meguiars product for a while now, and have not had any issues, I only use a a top up wash and always spray plenty on!
I know it's waterless, but when I washed my car and didn't have water mains years ago, I would literally just bring a 1 litre jug of warm water from the kitchen tap with me.
Now you're using the waterless as detergent and a wet warm cloth to wipe, and then a second dry one.
The results were much better and I could sleep a little easier at night, less if that swirly feel/sound.
i like to use a large plush drying / towel as if find it picks up dust and dirt easier ,i also put a few sprays on the towel aswell as the paintwork and roll it over the paintwork like you did
I used to be a valeter (valet) and used it on my work van... It was quite dirty and I was satisfied with the results..It wasn't my van but I was still OCD. I think these are OK as long as it's just stuff accumulated 2-3 days after an automatic car wash, which do more damage in my opinion.
Plus its a wax. So the next car wash was better.. I give them a thumbs up!
I've used ecosmart, masterson's waterless and ammo frothe, and like you said you want to do it just slightly dusty kind of car in my opinion and it can work fine but I guess it always has slight more chance to scratch or mar the paint while doing it.
What I'm most worried about it is when you spray a panel like the panel you used on this video, the towel is going to touch the other panel next to it like the bonnet here slightly where there is not much product maybe just some overspray or even none and your towel wipes over it I think there is the biggest risk of marring the paint with this kind of wash.
Another problem I have is when you cleaned the panels around the panel you are doing now you get overspray there and you kind of constantly have to go back to get that bit off and this really slows down the process.
I have to say though that the ammo frothe is my favorite so far of these product and totally different kind of feel to it when you actually foam the car and wipe the foam off. Quite a bit slower process but most likely the safest and you can probably use it on slightly more dirtier paint than you would use the other products.
Thanks for your comparison test always great to watch these.
I agree with you. The more fluid and lubrication the less you will scratch the paint. I wonder if you could achieve the same with a good rinse and dry?
Is there a difference between these products and ONR...?
Is the ONR more protective...?
ONR Wash & Sine doesn't contain any protection but they make ONR Wash & Wax which does.
Recently stored my classic mini. It's been put away clean from traditional washing and waxing. I want to keep the car wiped off in the garage once every couple weeks. Is a waterless wash suitable for this if the car has been stored clean and won't be outside again until late spring?
yes mate its ideal for this. something like ONR or Mckees 914. Any of the rinseless concentrates. Koch have one coming out. Im doing a proper Best of video comparing them all soon.
I have used them more as a after wash to remove any water spots, but no good on dirt
That seems like a reasonable use for these products!
Never thought about using it that way. Smart
That is a good idea, I may try that.
I use waterless washes for lightly soiled door jambs and also the exact way you use it after a proper wash
I’ve used meguiars on a slightly dirty car, it worked very well. I used a lot of towels though. What does everyone think of dropless valeting company? They do waterless washes on very dirty cars
Meg’s Ultimate Wash and Wax is a good product when used correctly. I would never want to use a waterless product in a car that has more than light soiling on the paint. For dust, watermarks and bug splats I think they’ll be fine to use on. Mud, traffic film and any other types of heavier soiling then it’s time to bust out the pressure washer and buckets.
You were using the products correctly, however I find it’s best to load the first wiping towel with product, as well as spraying it liberally on each panel. It might seem wasteful, but the more solution and lubricity between the panel and the towel = less chance of fine scratches.
I wipe in linear motions, mostly downwards, with no pressure on the towel. I just let the weight of it naturally move the product and dirt away.
I also let the product sit for a minute or so after spraying. The bottle says you can wipe immediately, but I’m in the same boat as you. I feel it’s best to leave it to encapsulate some of that dirt before wiping.
The second towel I use for the final wipe is a plush Korean buffing towel, just because it’s super soft.
Great video as always. Maybe you could get some test panels, correct the paint on them, and then soil them before cleaning with these types of products. Then you could observe the areas with a spotlight to see if they’ve inflicted any marring or scratching. Would be interesting to see.
When I do this, I use much more liquid than you did in the video. Also, one wipe with the towel and flip it. You did the whole fender with one bit of microfiber, I would have probably used 3 sides plus a 4th for the final buff. The Everest 550 is a great towel to use.
I've been using William's waterless wash for years with no problem on my very dirty car had the car from new 2012 and no major problems cleans as its says spray in on buff it up, but I've been watching your channel and I've fully sti
quick question......do you think it would be safer to use a waterless wash product with a microfiber towel soaked in ONR solution (I keep a bucket with onr solution along with microfiber towels) and use waterless wash as normal just with a microfiber soaked in onr as I feel it may be safer to do that as opposed to just spraying waterless wash with a dry microfiber towel. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated
I’ve used Showroom Shine by Greased Lightning for many years - mainly as a detailing spray following a snow foam, two bucket and mitt wash, before the advent of the latest generation of detailing sprays we’ve seen in recent years. It’s obviously thicker than a true detail spray but it is a very good detailer, can be used on all exterior surfaces (except the windscreen)
I also still use it today for cleaning door sills and shuts, boot and bonnet areas etc after a proper wash it’s great for that as part of your finishing routine, as well as being a good detailing ‘troubleshooter’.
I have used it a few times as a waterless wash when pressed for time on an older lightly soiled ‘daily driver’ car to spruce it up, and I’ve never had any scratches when used correctly - you do need to use a few microfibres though to prevent any risk of scratching in my experience. Personally I wouldn’t use it or any waterless wash on a really dirty car nor my “pride and joy’s” full exterior paintwork no matter how lightly soiled.
Thanks very much for this as here in South Africa we have had a rough drought and weren't allowed to use water to wash cars at all not even from a bucket or anything. Obviously thee products became popular here but I don't liken them either. Now we can use water again but not from a hose or pressure washer unless it's rain collected water etc. It's really tough keeping a car clean in a drought environment as I have to take it to be washed at a car wash place.
Only use these products after fully washing the car properly, I found they do give it that extra shine and new car look.
But the product is a waterless wash, so pointless washing it properly then using the product.
Recently come across your channel. Asked the question about a dusty car soon after detailing it. Thinking of using one of these.
Hi buddy. Great channel. I’ve subscribed. Ok my opinion of these waterless wash sprays is that there is a place for them. I’ve been dry humping my Civic Type R this summer with the Turtle Wax waterless wash. I didn’t have much faith in it and was worried about damaging the car too. But I’ve found if used in the right conditions and with a bit of technique they do perform well. I have found they are best used on a car with minimal dirt - I.e. a light coating of summer dust, fingerprints and water marks. Ideal if you want to go for a drive and want your car to look good whilst doing so. In terms of technique spray on one panel at a time, gently wipe the dirt off with a clean microfibre cloth in one direction. The product will dry. Buff with another clean cloth. The results are good for a quick detail. Definitely wouldn’t use on a muddy car.
Finish of below commit, fully stock up with bilt hammer going forward I'm going to use my waterless as a polish great channel with fantastic adivice
Belated comment because I've just used a waterless wash for the first time. This was Gardx Dry Wash which my neighbour gave me (he'd had his car done with Gardx by the dealer but never washes the car himself going to the Tesco handwash). Obviously I am not doing much driving at the moment but the car had about 2 weeks worth of dust etc on it. It had rained hard overnight and this had removed most of the dust. I found the product re-assuringly slick - little or no scraping - and the finish was pretty good. I absolutely would not use on a really dirty car, or a car with that Saharan type sand we get if the rain is coming from a southerly direction or if I had a prestige motor (it's a Honda Jazz) but I think these products have a place perhaps sitting between a quick detailer and a maintenance wash? I can see why a purist would wince though.
Each cloth has 8 squares. The roll helps alot. Microfiber naturally picks up dirt so youre using a fresh area each time by rolling. U needed about 4 squares to do that panel as you should never put the part that took up dirt on the paint. Thats the best way i can describe it, at auto shows this is your only option so knowing how to do it correctly will save you a lot of headaches. If done correctly, you will get no scratches.
I have classic Minis that are known to just rust like mad. I use the meguairs just for light dust as they are dry weather cars. Wouldn't use it on my daily drivers. Keep the content coming mate new to the channel but its very educational mate top job.
I use a spray wax with heavy protection and polycylizane ability. Soak panel and a couple of sprays on microfiber and rolling technique then a separate towel to buff and dry. I've never had any scratching there may be micro marring but the sealant and wax hides that if there is no problems even on black paint. Favorite product carplan demon shine 10:1 and gives a good couple of weeks protection also work well as clay lube and spray to extend polishing sets if using a dusty compound.
Sorry a bit late to the party here. I've always worried about whether these 'waterless washes' will remove any protection i.e. waxes already on the car?
I use the Meguiars Waterless Wash & Wax, it works great on lightly dusty car. I use it liberally & spray the microfiber I'm using & it does a great job. I would not use it on a heavily dirty car. My car is gradge kept, so it's never really more than dusty.
I just used the meguiars waterless wash and wax for the first time this weekend! Was sceptical and felt wrong but I brought it for the wife’s car which doesn’t go far and is well protected just needs a little freshen up every couple of weeks. Actually done a good job, couldn’t notice any new swirling, definitely felt better as the removal cloth got saturated with product. I definitely recommend using decent microfibre cloths and wouldn’t use them on a new car or one that’s not well waxed. Great for a quick shine but not a serious detailing product I don’t think
I've never used them and never will. I have a ceramic coating on my car and I'm religious about how and when I clean my car. Thanks for another interesting video.
You said you were religious about it....does that mean you only wash your car Easter and Christmas?🤣🤣😇 jk
Actually having a ceramic coated car makes waterless/rinseless even easier and safer as the coating prevents any dirt/contaminants from bonding and increases the hardness of the clear from like 3H to like 9H typically.
When you do the full review Jon, can you organise a vehicle with softer paint? Perhaps a Japanese variety.
The hardness BMW paint will easily resist any towel or light dust induced marring. A soft paint won’t hide anything and be a more accurate test bed for waterless washes.
I have a waterless wash from Pure Definition that I have only used once. It is ok but I prefer not to use any waterless wash. I was thinking to actually use it when I wash my car and spray it over the wet pain then dry the car or used it as clay lube... Kind of like a quick detailer. Not sure if it will work or if it is a good idea.
I use it a lot, after every drive infact. spray on the cloth as well so the cloth is not dry. follow with something like beadmaker or C2
I use the Ammo Waterless Wash and it’s really good. Devised by one of my Detailing Gurus Larry Kosilla from the US. I do understand your reticence in using the two your are talking about on this video but you should try the Ammo one before you make a final judgement on the waterless wash procedure. The main differences in the Ammo product is it uses a handheld foaming aerator to create a thick moisturising foam that really does caress the paintwork when wiped off, carefully of course, with decent microfibres and using quite a few of them for each car. I normally use about 6-8 for each job. Half to wipe, the other half to buff. Leaves no streaking and a pretty good gloss sheen too. The only downside is you have to order it from the US so it takes about a week or so to arrive and it’s fairly expensive. Worth it though if you have little time or no access to an outside tap. Simon R. (Fellow UK Detailer)
After using one everyday on my vehicle for a week I felt the same as you. My plan for winter is to spray the panel off with a pump sprayer then you the waterless wash on a damp panel but both my vehicles are ceramic coated
I find it interesting that some comments are from those who've never used such products. We have 4 cars (well, 3 + a van) and have used Meguiars Express Wash & Wax (D11501) for many years now, on these and previous cars. Admittedly I only use it on lightly dusty surfaces - not those with thick road dirt. It is used daily on my partner's car that has to be parked under a tree in her staff car park 5 days a week. I've never had a problem of any description. I use a bobbly/chenille/noodle type mitt or sponge (2 or 3 double sided mitts for the whole car) with the product sprayed on the mitt as well as on the panel. Obviously an element of common sense and care is required, as with any aspect of car cleaning, but I have no hesitation in using Wash & Wax on any of our cars - including my 5 Series in Sophistico Grey (which would show swirls very easily) and even my double concours winning 43 year old RR Silver Shadow.
Keep up the great work Jon. I'm just about to visit Patreon!
I don’t have a hose in my apartment complex so I use two buckets one with soap and water and one with water first I pre soak the car with water and a spry bottle then I wash it with very light pressure then I use the waterless wash or a detailer to dry it that way it reduces the scratches the most.
Tried the waterless wash years ago but on my late fathers Audi A6 JML product left a beautiful shine for a couple of weeks again i didn’t like using it on the soil’y bits around the arches kept having to rinse the 1 microfibre supplied
The only real issue is there is no pressure behind it to blast off loose grit. But I've never caused scratches from using it. Just got to wipe rather than scrub and leave enough time for the wax to soak in. The wax is a much better lubricant than water.
I'm using the Pro-Keen stuff at the moment. It's much cheaper than Meguires and comes in 5L tubs. Though the finish isn't as nice. I can just fill up a big pressure sprayer and spray it much more efficiently (and get some pressure behind it).
i used the Williams dry wash system a few years ago and i thought the idea was to wash the car normally, do a coat of the williams or whatever the product is as a base, then next time you could use the waterless system without the initial wash. i seem to remember you have to start with a clean car though. its the initial coat that protects from the dirt etc as a layer above the car. All this said i still stopped using it because it just didnt give the protection a proper wash does
I'm getting married over the weekend and using the pride and joy as a wedding car - I was thinking of buying one of these just to tie it over, I won't have time in the morning to wash it so would give it a full clean 24 hours before. It's a black car and the dust settles so quick, what you recon?
Definitely not something we are keen on at all.
I have just ordered this "Optimum No Rinse Car Wash & Shine 8oz **Rinseless Car Washing**" as I watched a Canadian Detailer give it a review.... He was a big convert, to his surprise also!
For me the best waterless cleanser is meguiar's detailer D115 express wash and wax!. Super lubricating, super visual, and very good water-repellent effect!, in 4:1 dilution (up to 20:1 when used in direct sunlight) I simply love it. On a dusty car (in the sun or inspection light) no swirls, no micro-scratches or hazing. And it's cheaper than the consumer version, I love using it for ceramic coating maintenance because it doesn't reduce hydrophobic performance, quite the contrary.
We are not keen on such a product but I do think there is a place for them with the right use case. One such use case is bird bombs.
I do a combo waterless/rinseless. Throw 6-8 nice MF towels in a bucket with ONR or your rinseless solution of choice. Presoak a panel similar to how you did, but more generous. The do a rolling swipe like you did, but only ONE pass per side of towel, then flip/fold/repeat. Then follow with plush drying towel.
That's pretty much how I do it too. I use Eagle 500s or Minx for my wash towels folded in 4s giving you 8 clean surfaces per towel.
I use Opti clean. 5-6 500 gsm towels for the initial swipe and then a couple 16x24 Pluffle towels for the final buff. You are not dry humping if the paint is wet and the towel is dampened first. As long as theres not heavy dirt stuck to the paint, a waterless wash is plenty safe. Think about it, a waterless wash solution has WAY more lubricity than any soap and water will have.
Technique is important. I fold my towel in 8ths, one swipe per section. A dirty side NEVER touches the paint again. My final buff towels stay clean and never get dirty.
I bought a brand-new car in 2019 and have only washed it with waterless car wash. After two and half years of using only waterless car wash, I cannot see any scratches on the paint even under a strong light. After two and a half years of using waterless car wash, the car still looks brand new. I find it great for cleaning car windows and plastic, but don't spray it on the windshield as it might smear, and don't use it on a very muddy car. I live in a unit and the thing I like about waterless car wash
is I don't have to wash the entire car in one go like you would if you used a bucket of suds. It's not messy and time permitting,
I can wash part of the car one day and the rest of the car the next day. Also, it has been proven that waterless carwash is less polluting than using a hose or bucket of suds. Tests have been done where light dusting on a car has been carefully removed
and only amounts to about half a teaspoon of dust, yet washing a car with a hose could use from 20 to 50 gallons of water just to remove half a teaspoon of dust. If you shop around, you can buy waterless car wash in bulk container. I buy a 5LT container
which works out about $3 a car wash depending on the size of the car.
I've used 2 products Shine Armour and Hydroflex , supposedly waterless wash . I've never done direct on dirt and wouldn't recommend. I have found if you wash as normal and spray as finish it does do a good job . Like i said i wouldn't risk doing direct on dirt
Its recommended to have a dunking rinse bucket and the towels should be semi wrung out prior to applying to panels.
Williams f1 wash and wax is superb!
Waterless washing a car is like doing it dry with a run up :D
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Been using the Meguiar's but I give the car a strong spray down first.
Very scary stuff to use . Got to be sure to get it on everywhere .
Watching this was agony. I watched the first 3 minutes, paused the video and my car parked on the drive was covered in swirls. That's how bad a waterless wash is, it can scratch your paint work even over the internet.
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I’ve been using autokit waterless wash and wax on my motorcycle for years. It still looks mint👍 I use it cos I don’t wash my bike outside. It works really well, but some of the smaller parts to get very light scratches but nothing a once over with the DA doesnt sort out👍 and I use it after every ride so it’s not like it’s really dirty when I clean it.
I always keep a bottle in the boot for bird poo season as it’s great stuff for when your out and you come back to your car and it’s got white blobs on the roof. Just spray on and leave for a few minutes then lightly wipe off.
I use them when I'm away with the truck as a wipe round or at a show where there's no water for light dirt it's very handy
I was sent a waterless wash product but haven't been able to bring myself to use it. I'm not short of water up here so I don't really feel the need to try it but I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually. 😬
its always gonna be a hard sell specky, with waterless washes in Scotland :) Even if you wanted to use one, it would rain when applying it!
@@ForensicDetailing I'll have you know we get at least THREE DAYS of sunshine per year. 😂
I didn't know that Turtle Wax also sells that product.
Thank you.
John why didn't you do I close up before and after to see if it has scratched the paint ?
ieww im gettting goosebumps of the feeling the dirt on the paint noises, nope im not using these on my car untill i get proof it doesnt scratch, which for sure it does!
I've used the megs on my car with heavy road film and it was fine. I went heavy with the product (4/5ths of a bottle) and plenty of clean towels. It's an expensive way to half arse your car cleaning 😂I wouldnt do it's frequently but it can get you out of a bind. I've also used showroom shine on my skyline which had some light dust and road film and it also did well. White residue is awful though.
In the winter when I cannot get my hose and buckets out I will go through a touchless carwash. Afterwards I have used the meguiars brand to go over the car and do a final wipe down
I wash the car with water and shampoo quickly.. expect water run mark especially on dark colours.. then use these waterless wash sprays to give it a deeper clean and polish... also great to keep in the boot for a fast dirt, dust removal or bird dropping between washes.
For light dust I use a lambs wool duster , if you scratch your car using one of them then you shouldn’t clean your car. After removing dust I use a waterless wash all the time. I should mention this is on a car with a ceramic coating and never sees rain or snow.
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After one top to bottom pass, I wouldn't move the filthy towel to the top again and wipe it again.
This is something I have has trepidation about. I just can’t get away from the physics of friction. Not to go too wonky!
WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS ON HYBRID WAXES, CARNAUBA MIXED WITH SYNTHETIC ????
I don't have a garage an if my cars just got the dust on it then doing a contact wash just doesn't seem worth it so am willing to try the waterless wash an wax an see what it's like.
I use them sometimes on the door shuts, engine bays and around sills , predominently in the winter time so i could add a bit of protection with them
I have a question for you ?
How do you get rid of wax and sealants from your clear coat such as soft fusso 99/ polmers and ceramic coatings that general degreasers and ipa won't get rid of it, so you can get to paint correction rather than polishing over these coatings, and not actually doing minimal correction , I would love to see a video on this.
Plastic bead blast
If you can't get it off chemically using APCs, IPAs or a panel wipe/body solvent you have to use a cleaner/polish and mechanically remove it. Just be sure to clean your pads after each pass or switch to a new pad as it will quickly "load up" with the sealant/wax/coating you are removing. I am sure you can find multiple videos explaining the process on Apex Detail, Car Craft Auto Detailing, Dallas Paint Correction, The Rag Company, Chemical Guys and AMMO NYC's channels. Some coating are so strongly bonded they actually require wet sanding.
I have the Meguiars too. I only use these products to clean door jams, with a plush microfiber, they make things easy. But... I wash my car every week so it never gets really dirty. I don't trust quick detailers on my paint, they make me feel uneasy..