Should Doctors Mask Forever? I unpack a recent debate
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I visited my cardiologist's office this week. Nobody was wearing masks, and my doctor shook my hand.
First person's hand I shook after the "lockdown" almost broke down crying...
That’s what humans do!
How refreshing and normal!
Funny- I just commented similar! When I was a kid, if I was really sick at the doctor's office, they'd still shake my hand, too!
@@jackhartmann1084 Back when we were sane...
We have hospital groups in New Jersey that reinstated their forced masking policies for staff and patients. Yet most just pull them down to talk once out of view. I'm so sick of stupid. 🤬
I was a young RN in the early 70's. This was prior to HIV. Now the stories I can tell about how we handled blood would make your hair curl. I worked NNICU and we did blood transfusions all the time. We thought nothing of the spilling of blood from a bag and often ended up by the end of the day covered with blood, including shoes, and paid no mind to it. We went down to the cafeteria wearing a lab coat over our blood stained scrubs. People said blood was good to feed your plants, so once I took home the blood removed from a baby and fed it to my plants. It would have otherwise gone into the trash. Seriously. BTW, it didn't make any difference for my plants. One doctor I worked with bought some beautiful red sneakers for work, why? Because it would match the color of blood she would get on her shoes. Back in those days we were all bloody messes and no one got ill from it. We even didn't wear gloves when handling it. Gloves didn't become a thing until sometimes in the '80's, post HIV. Now you know.
I remember doing rounds and personal care with no gloves, unless there were feces. After 30 years, I still believe soap and water are the best preventive.
Health care workers became allergic to latex because the first glove requirement used cheap talc-coated latex gloves. If you wanted to wear the more expensive nitrile gloves, you had to prove that you had a dermatitis with the cheap ones. People had to put their names on their boxes of gloves. Now, everyone uses nitrile gloves. It was a crazy time. 🙄
I went to csections as a NIcU nurse and took the baby covered in blood and amniotic fluid with my bare hands directly from the surgeon - hmmm didn’t get HIV or hepatitis etc
Why don't they just carry a rabbit foot around with them ?
I suggested that three years ago but no one listened 😢
Only if the rabbit was vaccinated before it died though- wouldn't want someone getting sick from their lucky rabbit's foot! 🤪
As an MD, I view a doctor wearing a mask routinely in 2024 impeding good patient care and raising some serious red flags.
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My aunt had a recent Telemedicine visit with a GI specialist in South OC, no one else was seen visible on the doctor’s end and he was still wearing a mask.
this is the first year I've seen my doc's face since covid began, so happy to see his smile again
I saw a new family doctor a few weeks ago. She seemed like a completely normal friendly doctor who did everything a normal doctor would except was wearing a mask. Otherwise she looked like a normal younger doctor. Like you, I didn't ask and she didn't tell why she was wearing a mask. The staff wasn't masking and the facility didn't have any mask rule. I just thought it was an unusual choice. I didn't need to spend any of my office visit time on the topic of masks
If no one else had one on then it’s a stubborn refusal to not admit they were wrong, but she’s still right. Bowing the knee to the god of science and the now nowhere to be seen Dr what’s his face.
I see it as a red flag that they are not logical or balanced.
I had to get a couple of new doctors during 2021, and I didn't even know what they looked like! Also, as I have a little trouble remembering faces, when I am limited to the eyes and forehead, it was harder. I looked up their pictures online to find out.
I visited a dr in Australia today who wore a mask when I entered the room & he immediately put on a full face shield. All patients were obliged wear a mask I & had proved a negative to a RAT test. Had a chest infection & when I said I had been coughing, he told me off for attending the clinic: you are going to make me sick! He perfunctorily listened to my chest & quickly wrote a script for antibiotics & rushed me out. I turned around & saw him spray the room with something. I was stunned at being treated in this way....I felt he had no care for me whatsoever.
The situation post-Covid is quite concerning here in MA, Big Pharma central. Although the mask mandate for providers in MA was dropped recently, most PCPs I am told are still masking when meeting with patients who are not required to mask.This makes zero sense. The newly minted PCP I am supposed to meet for the first time next week is just out of residency and will probably be masked, per my phone call to the practice. I do not want to communicate with a masked primary care M.D. so will likely cancel the visit. Even a functional/integrative practice I called today told me their doctors are still masking. It is infuriating and I don't see the situation getting any better. As I turn 63 in June, I guess I just won't have a primary care doctor.
I have asthma, and I wore a mask @ work for about 2 weeks at the beginning of Covid, usually with it below my nose so I could breath and it aggravated my asthma more because of the fibers and dyes in the mask. I'm so glad that it was not something we mandated to wear.
I would generally agree that you don't go to "masked" strangers to complain to them, but I did do exactly that the other day. I was in the grocery store and one of the aisle stackers was wearing a "surgical mask" on his chin. So I just had to.
Why the hell was he wearing a "surgical mask on his chin? I makes no sense in ANY context.
60% of COVID cases were asymptomatic! Those doctors who say they didn’t get it all could’ve had it with no symptoms of course they were testing, but the tests wouldn’t be positive if their viral load was too low. I ordered antibody test from Vibrant America for a few patients who wanted to know if they had antibodies some jabbed and some not and interestingly three of them came in with full high IgM load starting to have IgG for 4 different antibodies, S1 spike, S2 spike protein, binding site, & Nucleoprotein antibodies and I looked at them and I said you have Covid right, now you have a live infection. and they said but we feel fine. We’re not even tired ! and I laughed and said yeah 60% of cases are asymptomatic, we tested them over the next 4 weeks every 2 weeks. IgM levels dropped and IgG antibodies rose.
Brilliant! So spot on with your own analysis at the end !
I go to General Hospital in San Francisco and they kept their mask mandate until mid 2023 last year. It was ridiculous. The doctors still mask though there are no mask enforcers at the door any longer. I still see a fair amount of outdoor masking and the ever puzzling alone in the car masking.
I feel that we were inculcated with entirely too much fear during the pandemic and ever since I saw your video about stopping home testing for covid and that we should stop giving information about our status to authorities, I've been unwilling to mask or even acknowledge covid any longer.
I had a shot and I had Covid. I am done.
“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences - people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
- Dr. Anthony Fauci
The question has to be evaluated for pros and cons.
Masking doesnt stop disease, a healthy immune system does.
🇦🇺✅
Dentists do
Thank You
I still wear my duckbilled N95 (whenever I enter the theatre complex) as a specialist anesthesiologist who treated Covid patients personally for the entire time.
I never tested positive for COVID ever. Maybe it’s the mask, hand washing between patients or vaccine I took.
Can’t say for certain. I haven’t been re-boosted.
Back to why I like the mask 😷
I like the duck bill because it keeps me from getting the flu or Tuberculosis.
I don’t want to let my colleagues down or patients down because of being sick. (No work no pay)
In South Africa you find out days later that the patient you treated had pulmonary tuberculosis and they are only starting treatment today. I don’t even flinch because I know the N95 plus good hygiene reduces TB transmission and flu.
I don’t care if anyone wears a mask or not, I just don’t want to put my next patient at risk without knowing it and my patients enjoy trying to figure out if I have a nice smile 😃
I tell them that I do have a smile and my mask is just part of my uniform. My patients trust that I have their best interests at heart ❤️ despite the discomfort I am willing to endure for them.
You guys in the comments are so angry about something that ended more than a year ago. We don’t even think of Covid anymore, doctors by large noticed that we didn’t get these annoying sicknesses when we were wearing masks even if patients coughed directly onto our faces while examining them or intubating them.
We are happy to treat you during the worst times of your lives even putting our lives at risk. We love doing our job and most of us are great at it.
Just don’t let the mask 😷 make you insecure. Just ask as if we’re smiling 😊 underneath it and we will tell you Yes.
Because we are human after all.
😂
The thing is, these anecdotal experiences have more credibility than any mask study out there. In these controlled settings, we can see proper mask usage vs. just handing out masks and getting reports. Pretty much every ER I've worked at, employees wearing masks regularly rarely got sick while those nonchalant about mask wearing pretty much all got sick. Mask wearing began decades before COVID. For a reason. It reduces droplet spreads.
I wish you would do a controlled mask study. Until then, I'm relying on my experiences. We see 70k patients per year. There is definitely evidence that masks reduce spread of URIs.
Maybe somebody should do a study to find out the effect of different kinds of masks. We could develop some science telling us what kinds of masks are good for what situations.
Sigh. The Cochrane Review is THE definitive study. You don't need anyone doing yet another study. The science is clear. MASKS ARE USELESS.
Those VA patients give 0 F’s about masking. Lol. Most older patients as well. My faculty finally stopped making us mask the beginning of April. Both patients and staff were so relieved. 🎉
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Fully half of this country’s population has lost their minds.
Many countries similar trends except those like Sweden who reportedly had better outcomes.
"Maybe wearing a mask makes you look like a total mindless idiot and undermines trust in your medical judges"...
And the other half is insane!
Its 95% and if you think its the other partisans then you’re part of the 95% unserious fools
If I'm not going to SEE the doctor's face....then I'm not going to be a patient. I'm too old to play games and HUMAN INTERACTION --- FACE TO FACE--- MATTERS TO ME.
Texas Nana
P.s....I'm SO SICK of
c o v I d.... DONE!! 🙃
AMEN!!!
Absolutely!
If a doctor is wearing a mask, why would you listen to anything they say?
God bless Texas.
@@bottlethrower1544 So true...
As an ER doctor, I stopped wearing a mask over a year ago. Despite the hospital mandating it for 3 to 4 months over the winter, I still didn’t. Many nurses did not either. There’s no evidence, why should I?
You did the right thing! Also where’s the data that shows if you stand next to someone you’re going to drop dead?
Here in MA, I've been trying to find a PCP (mine left the practice and my insurance doesn't cover his new practice - awesome!) who won't be wearing a mask during the exam. So far, I cannot get any guarantee despite the mask mandate FOR PROVIDERS ONLY, NOT PATIENTS being dropped here recently. It seems doctors WANT to be wearing useless surgical masks here in MA. I repeat - NO MANDATE but the doctors are still masking. Seriously, WTF? Makes zero sense.
California outdoor masking in 2024 is the definition of complete insanity.
That place is completely fucked!
To me its actually scary. You dont know what kind of crazy a person still wearing a mask may be.
yeah it is!
Is That still going on?
@@bottlethrower1544I still wear a mask in public buildings and on public transport, and I'm certainly not crazy. Each to their own.
Yeah it is, I live here, it's worse than you can imagine.
Even during the height of the madness, once my doc came into the room and shut the door, we would both took off our masks and talked about the BS of Covid and the company we work for.
Thats a positive sign
Nice, your Dr is a keeper.
I did that as a Doctor in my Fellowship at a Children's Hospital. The mother didn't wear a mask or seem at all uncomfortable and her kid was happy to avoid a mask. However .....
The next day I was hauled into the office of my bully Department head and told that the twit anxious mother had filed a complaint with Hospital Administration. I was given a warning, forced to be away from Clinic for a day, and forced to get an additional Covid Booster (I had the 2 standard Covid shots already).
This is a Tyranny which has allowed the most malign authoritarians and pathologically anxious people to control others
@@JohnSmith-ki2hl That is absolutely terrifying. As punishment they made you get another booster? Its almost too insane to believe but cant see why you want to make up something like that. Makes me want to avoid any contact with the Medical Industrial Complex
@@bottlethrower1544 Yes, They forced me to 1) get the booster or 2) face further disciplinary action, including termination.
Yet we know kids are very low risk to get or transmit Covid.
BTW, the nurses were fanatics about absolute conformity or you would be reported.
There are many people in Healthcare that are anxious, conformist, have herd like instincts, or just too afraid for their career to challenge powerful malignant administrators.
I live somewhere that I have to speak my second language, I'm a bit older and my hearing is not great (many years of heavy metal concerts), and with covid I realized I depend partly on reading lips.
My doctor wears a mask. I cannot say truthfully I understand what she is saying fully. It is very sad, especially because I'm not stupid and know masks do nothing. Yet, she thinks they do. And I'm asking her for medical advice.
This is not how it should be.
OMG. Exactly.
same here
You meed a new doctor! Don't take medical advice from someone who is delusional!
My doctors were under orders to wear masks if they wanted to keep their jobs. :(
@@bestbudsourchannel4807doesn''t work if your area only has abut half the amount for doctors it needs.
My grandma was in the hospital recently and i kept having to insist that the staff remove their masks to speak with her because she just wasn't understanding them at all. I feel that it led to a complete misdiagnosis and excessive and dangerous treatment.
That's a very good point
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💯. Hearing impaired people suffered because of the masks. It’s terrible when you can’t hear and then to wear a mask so now you have no idea what they are saying because you can’t read lips anymore.
@@cathipa the nurse should carry a board to write with
@@sl4983 do you know how long that would take to write a conversation during an office visit? Typing is faster if you are proficient, but most are not fast enough for 2 people to have a conversation consisting of questions and answer type dialogue. Try it sometime. It’s not as easy as you think.
N95 does not even keep out all paint mist or dust. They need to accept the truth.
It’s literally in the name bud. 95% efficiency. Everyone knows it doesn’t block everything
@@HendersonHinchfinch N95 is to filter 95% of bacteria, which is generally 10 times the size of virus. Aerosol goes right through.
💯👍🏾✅
@@HendersonHinchfinch how much does viral load impact infection outcomes?
In someways, I like it when doctors wear masks. It helps me to quickly determine if they are completely full of it and to disregard everything they say.
My ex doctor over 20 years came into the office wearing a masks and plastic shield over her face. I was disappointed because all these years I thought I had a good doctor who cared about my health. She literally attempted to murder me pressuring me to do medical procedures I don’t need and never did.
Thank you Dr. Prasad… always appreciate your thoughtful, measured, researched, & reasoned approach to this and other topics. Regards!
I have little confidence in medical professionals at this point. Any MD that is wearing a virtue signalling mask at this point is an adherent of magical thinking. I would decline treatment from such a fool. Magical thinking is dangerous in a medical professional. Such people are simply not trustworthy.
As a medical professional you have a choice to make. Either you are a member of the cult of masking (which didn't work in 1918, and still doesn't. There is no evidence that a surgical or cloth mask ever had any measureable impact on the transmission of any respiratory virus. The Cochran meta-study is unequivocal. Masks are of no measureable benefit and they deprive you of oxygen, promote bacterial growth, and impede respiration. N95 masks are no better.
I have no use for medical professionals who engage in systematic magical thinking and group dogma.
The Event 201 Script was part of the effort of the Pharmaceutical Industry to strip Clinical Physicians of their rightful place and to reduce them to mere technicians who can easily be replaced by machines in the not too distant future. Any Physician who cannot see this is useless to anyone as a Physician.
Magical thinking medical “professionals” 😅
A virtue signaling physician seems an immature human being to me...
I agree it is a barrier to patient doctor communication.
Facial expression is the greatest indicator to how a patient feels.
I had a therapist who refused to take off her mask, ESP when I shared I refused the jab!!!
"It’s easy to criticize me, but they’re really criticizing science because I represent science."
- Dr. Anthony Fauci
@@brianbachmeier34I googled "how tall is Anthony Fauci" and his glowing biographies are so fake it's not even funny.
It says he's 5'7 but I think that's with high heels on!👠
@@brianbachmeier34 remember the "don't do your own research" command.
And "People are just going to have to shut the f'k up and learn to do what they're told".
What a calming influence he was. Superb and caring.🙄
I've refused to see local doctor just because these idiots are demanding everyone wear a mask endlessly.
Move to Florida. None of my doctors follow this insane and inhuman practice.
Wow, with almost a million people in Canada not having a doctor- wow
My money says you're going to end up working in Florida eventually. Critical thinking combined with speaking out is something that will be completely outlawed in about 10 minutes.
Or Texas or any other red state and city
"It’s easy to criticize me, but they’re really criticizing science because I represent science."
- Dr. Anthony Fauci
Deborah Birx turned useless cloth masks into a fashion statement bringing huge profits to the worthless cloth mask industry.
I AM SCIENCE
which is complete BS
@@marenpurves4493 my comment deleted. I am flagged.😠
he does in fact represent the $cience
Yes! Yes! Yes! Anybody who forced masks on others should be required to wear a mask for all eternity.
Thank you.
Ha ha!!!😂
You stole my answer!
lol
You make a good point!👍
Man in the Iron Mask comes to mind.
Last year the eye doctor was still wearing a mask...and i decided not to go back to her office..
Its a litmus test for me. If a doc is wearing a mask, why should I listen to ANYTHING else they may say? Dont have to be a doctor to know that someone that believes in masks should not be giving medical advice
I mean it would be different if they actually did anything.
I wonder if there's something about eye doctors specifically because pre-covid it seemed they were way more likely to wear a mask than anyone (except dentists.) Reason might have been similar too, getting very close to surfaces of that are vulnerable on their patients. But of course, like dentists, they mostly took the mask off when sitting down to talk.
Same. I ditched my gp over this issue and the cardiologist’s office and their ridiculous masking mandates. Still as of March 2024
Same, in MI
When I go to my doctor and she's masked I feel I'm just smarter than her. : /
When I see a health care professional or any one in the general population wearing a mask now, my only thought is what is mentally wrong with this person? They have been lost!!!
A doctor wearing mask and/or insisting on masks is to be avoided.
Completely ridiculous.
I wish I could
That doctor is also measuring vitamin D, another scientifically disproven idea. They’re so busy wasting time they’ll miss the important thing.
@@michaelplunkett5124Umm...Vitamin D is actually super important.
So you are a maskcist...
The more important reason why doctors shouldn't always wear masks is to show their patients that they aren't science-denying, superstitious, virtue-signalers. That would be important to me as a patient.
I went to the VA hospital when the mask mandate was first getting pushed. I was there for ptsd having panic attacks wearing it. I was told by a nurse to wear it there or I couldn't see the doctor . I explained my issue and they didn't care. An older vet there told her 'OK Gostopo".
I think it's pretty clear by now, no one gives a shit about anyone.
Lol, really? That was pretty awesome of the old guard.
I live on Big Island, a sunny place for sure…while traveling from Hilo to Kona my friend and I saw a private car come down an adjoining road with both driver and passenger were wearing masks. Looks so dumb. 😷😷
Not as dumb as the solo person in a car wearing a mask.
In January 2020 I had an Eerie prophetic feeling this would be permanent.
The denial that real medical experts were right them being damaging was a big clue. Now the government expert Fauci Admits they were wrong and that's not even sifting down to the masses.
@brucestarr4438 they're truly insane.
There all over Hilo, still, including doctor's offices and hospitals. I don't think they are every going to give them up.
@@Defundthemasons 🙄
We are having an epidemic of virtue signaling.
I honestly don't care what doctors do as long as they stay away from my family and I. Anybody who trusts a doctor at this point is a lost cause. Learn to take care of yourself or face the inevitable consequences
Love your comment! Doctors seemingly have amnesia, and expect the rest of the population to have it, too. They buckled under, and for 30 pieces of silver, forced a bioweapon on most of the population. I didn't take it, luckily retired, so couldn't be coerced. Was barred from all restaurants, hairdressers, most businesses for many months, though. I have not forgiven the doctors, and I will certainly never forget what they have done in their cowardice.
Depopulation is the name of the game.
Dehumanization.
Really wish doctors understood most of us believe masking has very little purpose, and makes us wonder about the doctors ability to keep up with what’s going on in the world. If you think it’s OK because it’s a security blanket, would you be just as OK with a real blanket? Or a Doctor Who sucked their thumb because it kept them calm? Ridiculous comparison, probably, but maybe not.
Now I'm imaging my doctor sucking his thumb. Lmfao
Thanks for the chuckle.
Perfect parallel
No, it's a great example. 👍
I feel like common sense is making a comeback now.
It's a perfect comparison!
I think my family doctor was too gung-ho on covid. However, he did quit wearing a mask a little over a year ago. My wife's cardiologist quit several years ago, his whole clinic did. I have a hearing loss, so it is much easier to tell what someone is saying that is not wearing a mask,
Great video, so glad you’re covering this! I’m a VA nurse in Arizona and have been dealing with this craziness for a long time now. We just now got rid of masks but then there’s talk about bringing them back in the fall. It really upsets me that the veterans are forced to comply and only sees eyes, no smile as well as difficulty in understanding people. We also had no visitors for the holidays because of Covid, it was very upsetting for everyone. And still today, no one has been asking the veterans if they even want this.
My doctor and her staff are mask free
They passed the first litmus test. Now do they recommend you poked and boosted?
@@bottlethrower1544They never asked me if I've been poked or boosted
I couldn't give two shits if my doctor wears a mask, and he does.
He requires all patients to wear a mask, whatever. Its just theater at this point.
Yawn.
It's a red flag that they are not good at logical reasoning and that they follow something other than scientific evidence.
I am surprised no one is talking about the CO2 buildup, that's what bothers me about wearing them, oh and the fact they don't stop upper respitory viruseses sucks too.
or the microbe buildup that you inhale more deeply into your lungs. foegan effect.
They also offgas toxins. There is a reason they smell terrible and cause throat irritation.
Because the CO2 build up is not an actual concern with masking unless you have something like COPD. We’ve been wearing masks for years and for hours in surgery, no CO2 issues.
@@charlotte7268 people aren't wearing them for hours in surgery; they're wearing them--the same ones--all day. And those surgical masks are a LOT easier to breath through. More so than the fashion-y cloth masks, n95's that also don't do much at all to stop vapor.
@@charlotte7268what is the temperature in that operating room? It is set at a temp that slows the growth of bacteria. Imagine wearing one for 7.5 hours in 100+ degrees.
Unfortunately, I avoid everything everyone thinks we need to be doing at my age as far as health care. If you’re wearing a mask or if your facility has a mask policy, I have serious doubts about your intelligence. And UH hospitals have lost my trust.
Random people are still wearing masks outdoors! Its crazy. Its cult or political statement more than practical.
or trauma. there's that sliver of the benefit of the doubt.
At my physical therapist’s office I would have to take off the mask I wore into the office and throw it away and change into the new one the receptionist would provide me on the end of a pair of bamboo tongs through the whole in her glass window. It insulted my intelligence and made me angry.
PT's are a dime a dozen.
My doc has to wear a mask and it reminds me of Jack from Jack In The Box. I don't even know what he looks like and I find it hard to take him seriously or trust his advise totally.
I can't believe this is still happening ...."2 weeks to flatten the curve"
My doctor took his mask off once we were behind closed doors. My husband surgeon took her mask off and said these things are worthless, and we never wore them to begin with.
Went to bathroom pre surgery (near nurses stn) and heard my surgeon making fun of the mask mandate. In Canada they had/have a tough go. Many chose early retirement or extended leave.
They’re lost in a maskeraid.
This comment should have more likes!!! 😂
There are still a bunch of doctors at my hospital that still wear masks. The oncology team universally wears a mask everywhere they go, and many of the internal med/hospitalist docs still wear them. It drives me absolutely crazy and yes, it tends to be the younger doctors that buy into this.
Not surprising, they are still killing cancer patients with chemo and radiation and clueless about issues like nutrition, water, sleep, sunlight, detox ...
My father in law is 84, very hard of hearing, and just had another heart ablation-hospital staff were all masking, they all had to continuously pull down masks and repeat themselves so he could try and read their lips and understand what the staff
were communicating.
17:25 Muncie IN.
Thanks for your videos
Honestly I'd prefer a video call without masks to an in-person meeting with masks
I made this comment to the first piece, and I repeated it on the 2nd piece with the slight amendment to express similar non-fear of HIV and that it's what I've known for several decades since the 1st SARS, and I'm no offence intended: Holistic medicine practitioners’ understanding of health/disease/immunity enables them to go maskless due to a lack of fear of viral disease. Reading that some conventional medical practitioners have this unreasonable (that is to holistic thinking) fear makes it quite astonishing that conventional medicine dominates, yet unsurprising that many people don’t trust doctors post-covid.
They gotta get up to speed on terrain theory
You're asking for a scientific answer to an ideological question. As far as evidence based, I'm pretty sure the evidence shows that it depends on whether the doctor is republican or democrat. That may change to the reverse depending on election results and what they recommend.
For many people masks have basically the same purpose of a lucky charm.
I personally find lucky charms to be more efficient 😅
Good to see you reporting on this! Dr. Phil is still concentrating on the measures enacted during the vid, citing the lack of conversation around what we did incorrectly or what we overreacted will lead to worse outcomes the next time. People who were zeolites, at least the people in my circle, act like it never happened, asking me why I'm still bringing up masking mandates, how Biden tried to get OSHA to force a vax mandate, and I told them I bring it up for the very reason Dr. Phil mentioned, so it doesn't happen again. There was no plan to deal with making up 2 years of missed in-class learning, no foresight into how to manage long term anxiety created by shocking everyone saying they were going to die. Just sweep it under the rug on move on I guess, even though now, at least in Santa Cruz, you see many young people still wearing masks at all times, I'm talking when HS gets out, you'll see kids walking to the bus stop wearing a mask, outside, in the middles of spring, 80*, the powers that be ruined that child's brain for life and could care less about it.
Same. I bring it up occasionally in social circles because masking is pushed on me at work (hospital) so it’s still an issue.
As a veteran, I can attest that many of us are wary of the lack of personal fortitude one demonstrates when wearing a mask.
Paramedic here, i actually never had a mask on when performing a critical procedure during covid where there was a policy that demanded i wear one. ET tubes are time sensitive and need to be placed rapidly in the field. Havent worn a surgical mask in years now.
Salute
I will not go to a doctor who is still masking.
OMG, I grew up in Munster, IN and was a grocery bagger for a long time in HS and college. Have been a psychiatrist for over 20 years. Love your podcasts!
Thanks for continuing to push against these masking policies, I am still having to turn down work as a technician, because hospital's policy makers can't see past their noses.
There are doctors at my current hospital whose face I have never actually seen in 3 months. The paranoia some completely healthy people have is insane.
It's not paranoia. It's groupthink and cowardice.
@@bassandtrebleclef Does that not spawn paranoia?
If patients can ask a doctor to put on a mask, why can't we ask them to take it off? I think you can ask whoever you are speaking to to take it off.
How about NO
When a practitioner approaches me in a health care setting (other than a dentist who actually could accidentally spit in my face) I always wonder if they are sick. Sometimes I'm annoyed enough to ask and the practitioner gets flustered and says something like, "Covid is still 'out there'."
It's Covid Paranoia Disorder (CPD) and should be listed in the next DSM. The arguments expressed in this video are spot on. Thanks.
As an ITU doctor in the UK, we haven't worn face masks since late 2021. ITU I full of emergencies, and wearing masks (and especially face shields) _seriously_ hampers communication. Errors are made, some team members don't hear critical information. We ditched it years ago for its harm to patient care, and I find it staggering that it's still debated in the US!
Back in 2020 I didn't wear a mask, I didn;t stay at home for one day, I went to work, shopping everything and didn't so much as catch a cold throughout all year. Applying the same logic as that doctor - this should be proof his masking is BS. Buuut - and this ties in with the ongoing baseless mandates - I'm not an "expert", ergo my experience is "anecdotal" whereas his experience is "valid" and solid proof.
Vinay, you've correctly noticed all important aspects in this matter.
Where you fail is where you draw the conclusion: Medical learning today is set to produce minor deities, experts - or whatever you want to call it. Mandates and rules - no matter how baseless they may be and especially if they are entirely arbitrary - are set precisely to enforce the boundary between experts and the plebs.
About medical students being elitists, I tend to agree. My daughter had a 4.0 GPA and was summa cum laude and even had a published paper and research and that was not enough. At the time, I was a widow making an income below the poverty line. The expectations from medical schools were ridiculous and you had to have lots of money and/or connections to meet them. My daughter had to work through college to get lunch money. After 3 years of applying at different medical schools, she finally got accepted. During those 3 years, she didn't sit at home. She worked as a teacher and got herself certified. I am thankful that a med school finally gave her the opportunity to pursue her dream. But she does tell me that many med students don't seem to know about real life and tend to be wealthier.
The mask contain dangerous plastic particules. Wearing a mask is equivalent to smoking.
I would bet my life that the maskers/sterilizers/sanitizers have untreated OCD. All of those rituals give them a greater sense of certainty and control.
Bay Area Nurse- 6 mos masking over the “respiratory season” is done in May. 6 months, Nov-April! Will this be every year now!? Most staff, managers, etc have them hanging down most mostly except when near the patients. Compelled for eternity, 6 mos every year?!? How can we fight this???
If you all stick together and refuse wearing them.
@@sassysandie2865 That’s a problem at my hospital. Politically most are left and don’t mind the masks. But thanks.
@@wendywen3766 sadly, I figured. I was in the medical industry so I get it.
Not enough people fought it when all this nonsense got kicked up in the first place. I told the Providence corporate overlords they have forced a diaper on my face, but they cannot force garbage into my veins - and I lost my cancer center job over it. I warned everyone in my dept from day one in 2020 that this was a farce and tried to get them to stand up with me against the new healthcare paradigm. They're back in Portland still masking up. I'm now doing travel contract work, making twice as much as staff therapists, and enjoying red state facilities who don't give a flying eff about required masking.
Docs may do what they want, true. But these days, I'd have to assume a doc masking is either ill or ill-informed.
What about people who are immunosuppressed or elderly? Are there no exceptions?
Thanks for taking on elitism. As one who grew up in that milieu, I can assure you it’s toxic.
I don't want my doctor to wear a mask but I get frustrated when I have to ask them to wash their hands after touching a patient that has come in with an illness.
YES!!!!!! Doctors should mask up forever, even when they go to the bathroom or take a shower. It should be a symbol of SHAME for participating in the worst Crime Against Humanity.
I agree with you about doctors. It seems like most people are willing to let doctors just go back to "business as usual" after participating willingly in democide of the entire population, with a bioweapon. I don't give them a pass actually.
Should Doctors dust off their Hippocratic Oath and read it properly this time?
@@Defundthemasons In the USA doctors have avoided swearing to the tenets written in the Hippocratic Oath for a very selfish and pathetic reason.
Have you read the entire Oath transcript?
There is a section included that compels Doctors to share whatever knowledge or medical techniques and medications they have with other doctors - and to do so WITHOUT CHARGING ANYTHING or engaging in exchange of money.
DO you understand why Doctors in the USA are moving away from this Oath? Some doctors also dont like the "Do NO harm" clause in the Oath because they wrongly believe that this opens them up to litigation.
The Hippocratic Oath was written by the father of Western Medicine over 2,400 years ago and it still applies today my friend.
You can trust Big Pharma to do the right thing right?
You can trust the government to do the right thing in the doctor-patient relationship right Mr Mason?
See Pandemic and the roll out of experimental mRNA Gene Transfection Therapies and their so called safe and effective use.
Relative effectiveness and risk reduction was conveniently cited as 95% or more by Big Pharma and the health regulators they control. They neglected to mention that the absolute risk reduction is about 0.83%.
They also neglected to mention the side effects and adverse events that popped up in their own initial clinical trials - clinical data that they tried to have suppressed from the public until the year 2098.
Look at the reality of Corporatism and the fascist instruments it flings around in society before you start engaging in academic Jesuit irrelevancies and trivial nonsense.
There is a person at my bank and a person at my post office who still wear a mask EVERY SINGLE DAY. Guess where I live? Portland Oregon.
We have those.....in Maskachusetts
I'm a veteran too so it's great to hear you've participated in that. I lived out of dumpsters and trash cans for +10 years everyday and never contacted staph infection or anything else, I did get a tetanus shot ever so often because of cuts. it seems like masks are latent baggage from the 2019 fear and conditioning.
Someone should run a study to determine if full-time masking physicians results in an increased patient risk to unnecessary procedures, excess radiation and medical costs to inappropriate/unnecessary testing. My argument is that these physicians more likely practice at the far end of the ROC curve and prefer higher sensitivity (inappropriate testing/unnecessary/ie higher costs and potential higher biopsy risks rates).
I work in Safety. I immediately think "poor risk assessment skills" when I see someone in a mask at this point.
How can you get sick from someone you’re not kissing or coming in contact with their body fluids like blood saliva. I don’t see anyone dropping dead after a hand shake or hug. People only seem to be dying at the hospitals or shortly after they leave the hospitals.
Exactly, it's bullsh!t. You don't get a virus just by being in the same room with somebody. It takes a LOT of virus inhaled or on mucous membrane to get infected.
Oh, I see it also as unprofessional, but like it to see a doctor with a diaper, so I know which doctor will not be mine.
You walk in with a mask on, I walk out.
It's not the physicians and nurses' decision to wear masks. They are told by higher-ups what to do. I'm sure they don't want to wear them.
They can ALL say no.
yes - and they should also carry a pocket of posies - MANDATORY!!! and no stepping on the cracks in paving stones...