Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm thrilled you escaped the Watchtower. If you ever have any questions about anything in my videos, let me know!
Thanks for this! Another point you could bring up is how many cults will say that the original church "died" or was lost in the early days after the Apostles passed away, and was only "restored" with the arrival of their special modern prophet. That's a huge red flag, especially since Jesus promised that the gates of Hell wouldn't be able to prevail against his Church - Matt 16:18. God has always had his people in one place or another throughout history.
@@theologywithseth The point is that the Revolution on this World - " how God becomes King" , viz the defeat of Satan was commenced with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Since then the rule of God breaks in changing lives families etc. and this is happening with greater frequency in this time and will continue thus until he returns.
The quality of your videos is so good! From the slides and bullets, to the sound, to how smoothly you transition from point to point is so organized. This channel is going to grow. Keep it up!
Thank you so much for the encouragement! I definitely try to produce high-quality content and have a lot more planned. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
“Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” - Jude 1:3 ESV
👏👏👏SUPER useful video and great summary on how to identify cults. Thanks for this video brother. It's a pleasure to come through and show your channel some love!
I really appreciate that, brother! I've been loving your content as well. I'm planning on releasing a video on Jehovah's Witnesses this weekend so if you're interested in cult stuff, be sure to stick around!
@@theologywithseth no way! Lol I've been spending a ton of time on the JW website prepping for a follow up visit from some JWs I talked to a few weeks ago. I don't think they're going to come back after our first interaction but prepping nonetheless lol
@blessedandbookmarked That's amazing! Sounds like it may be the Lord's timing. I'll be praying for a productive conversation in case they decide to return! You'll have to keep me updated
I can comment more, but I’ll leave mine brief until have more time to provide more detail view of my thoughts. Although first and foremost, nicely produced video Seth, I’m very curious to see your other content. Quick introduction, I am a SDA (born and raised) and do my best to be a follower of Christ. Of course I understand that my salvation is by the Grace of God alone through faith in Him alone. I don’t come to God, God comes to me. With all that being said, I do want to point out a couple of things you said in your slides about Seventh-day Adventism. 1. I’m glad you pointed out that the SDA denomination was founded by a variety of people and not just Ellen G. White. Most critics of the church usually attribute the church’s founding to solely her to make us seem more “fanatical”. 2. The quote “… one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White...”. This is from our 28 fundamental beliefs, as you cited! However I think it would’ve been important to share the quote in full-context. “➡️The Scriptures⬅️ testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. ➡️They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.⬅️” 3. To also add, our church websites states “UPHOLDING THE PROTESTANT CONVICTION OF SOLA SCRIPTURA (“BIBLE ONLY”), THESE 28 FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS DESCRIBE HOW SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS INTERPRET SCRIPTURE FOR DAILY APPLICATION”. 4. Although Ellen G. White is an authoritative figure in the church, she herself wrote to church leaders. “But I do not ask you to take my words. Lay Sister White to one side. Do not quote my works again as long as you live until you can obey the Bible. When you make the Bible your food, your meat and your drink, when you make its principles the elements of your character, you will know better how to receive counsel from God. I exalt the precious word before you today. Do not repeat what I have said, saying, “Sister White said this,” and, “Sister White said that.” Find out what the Lord God of Israel says, and then do what He commands”. -Manuscript 43, 1901 5. Ellen G. White teaches a Wesleyan-like concept of sanctification, so when expressing “diligent effort”, she is most likely expressing the act of cooperating with God’s Grace. This wouldn’t undermine faith alone. Ellen also writes this in her book Steps to Christ: “We do not earn salvation by our obedience; for salvation is the free gift of God, to be received by faith. But obedience is the fruit of faith. “Ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.” 1 John 3:5, 6. Here is the true test. If we abide in Christ, if the love of God dwells in us, our feelings, our thoughts, our purposes, our actions, will be in harmony with the will of God as expressed in the precepts of His holy law. “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.” 1 John 3:7. Righteousness is defined by the standard of God's holy law, as expressed in the ten precepts given on Sinai”. She also writes in Faith & Works: “Pardon and justification are one and the same thing. Through faith, the believer passes from the position of a rebel, a child of sin and Satan, to the position of a loyal subject of Christ Jesus, not because of an inherent goodness, but because Christ receives him as His child by adoption. The sinner receives the forgiveness of his sins, because these sins are borne by his Substitute and Surety. The Lord speaks to His heavenly Father, saying: “This is My child, I reprieve him from the condemnation of death, giving him My life insurance policy-eternal life-because I have taken his place and have suffered for his sins. He is even My beloved son.” Thus man, pardoned, and clothed with the beautiful garments of Christ's righteousness, stands faultless before God”. Here, is very clearly teaches being saved through the righteousness of God alone (through the imputed righteousness of Christ). 6. We believe atonement was finished on the Cross. However their is a specific APPLICATION of the atonement, and that is work of judgment. Practically all Christians believe that believers and non-believers alike will be judged in the final days… and some Christians like the Eastern Orthodox still believe the atonement is happening today. Where you quoted “In 1844… He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry... It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement”. Many parts of this statement are missing. Here’s the full statement: “There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. ➡️In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross.⬅️ At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. ➡️This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. ⬅️ It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent”. There is way more to be said, but I think I said what I can for now… Of course none of these beleifs I would believe unless the Bible alone teaches these things, the only reason why I sharing quotes from our church and Ellen G. White is to share some light of their ACTUAL positions, then the one presented in your video. I know you mean well and I hope my comment will be helpful to you in some way. May God bless you.
You say you wouldn’t believe any of the SDA doctrines if they weren’t also in the Bible. But if the investigative judgment is in the Bible, why is it that only the SDA’s believe in it?
@@sarahstevens3050 Well here’s a couple of things the Investigated Judgement teaches that other Christians believe: 1. Judgement of both believers and non-believers alike, with everyone needing to give an account in judgement. 2. Jesus being the mediator and advocate for his followers, who are covered by his blood. 3. An intermediate judgement before the 2nd coming (a belief shared in Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism, although expressed differently) 4. That Jesus is currently interceding for us since his ascension. 5. John Wesley himself believed that believers would have their hearts and deeds examine, so he believed in a “proto-form” of the doctrine. 6. And many Christians before Adventism began interpreted the 2300 days in Daniel as years. With that being said, of course there is still unique aspects about the Investigated Judgment, but the 28 Fundamental Beliefs show the biblical verses we point to to support the doctrine, and there’s plenty of other resources online where one can find more information and studies on it. Although just because a doctrine is “unique” doesn’t mean a Christian denomination should be considered a “cult” theologically speaking. After all as I shared from official sources, the Investigated Judgement expresses and does not conflict that atonement was completed on the Cross, that we are saved by blood of Christ alone through faith alone, that bear good fruit when we are saved, and that Jesus vindicates us by his blood and is our mediator before the Father.
Never did any Apostle, nor JESUS, ever mention a remnant Church. There was a remnant of the nation of Israel that survived, but the Church has never been reduced to a small fraction. No non Catholic belongs to the still in tact Church, bit all are called and welcome. SDA is part of the Great Apostasy that followed the appearing of Martin Luther, the man of lawlessness. He was in fact famous for introducing widespread the idea of no law, only Grace. This led to a Babylonian like confusion of endless sects, including j.w.s, and the emergence of free masons and atheism.
@@hipsterwolf7265 what do works have to do with salvation? If wee don't have good deeds, are we going to hell? Is there a list of works that we need to check off the list?
If someone truly has the holy spirit, they won't continue in sin. They may think or say they do, but they don't. They were never saved to begin with; a false conversion.
If a JW believes in the atonement of Jesus alone for salvation and that works display his love for Jesus would that person be saved even if he continues his association with the WT?
Hi @cybrough, that's a great question. If they truly have put their faith in the real Jesus of the Bible (and not the false Jesus of the Watchtower), then I can confidently say they *will* be saved, even if they're technically still associated with the Watchtower. This is because personal trust in the true Jesus Christ is all that it takes to be redeemed and granted eternal life (John 3:16). However, if a person is truly saved and is following Christ, I wouldn't expect them to stay in the Watchtower. I think eventually, their conscience would force them out of that group and into a more Bible-centered Church somewhere. Of course, there may be some strange circumstance that I don't know about and they end up staying in for some reason. In that case, I would just take comfort in the knowledge that only God truly knows a person's heart and He can certainly be trusted to do what is right during the Final Judgment. I hope that helps!
@@cybrough Losing your salvation paid for by Jesus, because you prefer friends and family will be a bad choice for eternity. Are you saying it's too hard?
Hi there! Imagine a classroom where all the students are trying to solve a math problem, but several of them got different answers. Would the fact that we have to do some investigating to find the right answer be a good hint that mathematics as a whole isn't right?
@@theologywithseth I'm not sure I even want to respond here, this is a month old after all. I think there's a fundamental difference between the math problem and a personal god that wants a relationship. The math problem isn't a personal agent and therefore cannot care if people figure it out. The Christian god, however, is believed to desire a relationship with ALL people (give or take, depending on one's theology). God WANTS people to know the truth. I think this makes it difficult to reconcile a god of truth who desires a personal relationship with the apparent silence that we observe. If God truly wants everyone to come to know him, why allow to people to be so utterly fooled about him? Why should we expect such a god to allow a state of affairs in which it's not clear who is right about God? I could be wrong, but this seems to better represent the objection that I believe Philip is making.
@@travisrepp1836 The mental gymnastics you have to go through all of the time to convince yourself that an abusive, insane, sadistic, narcissistic, psychopathic megalomaniac is worth loving and worshipping, is truly a sight to behold!
@TheVelvetteButterfly Please look up the definition of the word 'cult' and see for yourself. The thousands of different versions of Christianity are just sects.
The Catholic Faith is the one true, universal Faith from GOD, Christianity. Within the realm of Christians, cults can form, but then there are the ones that make up all of protestantism. islam is a cult and is the religion of satan. Those calling themselves satanists are a joke, and satan rejects them, because he wants to be seen as God, and hates for his worshippers to have other idols.
@@MrAuskiwi101 so you turn to a secular world view source to define Christianity as a cult? That rich... There's only one version of Christianity and there are thousands of versions of pseudo Christianity; cults that masquerade as Christianity by using our terminology but using a different dictionary to define those terms and proclaiming a different gospel.
Even as a kid, when they would bring up the story of Job, I would always think about how God "gave everything back twofold" and I thought, "Yeah but, his first family is still dead? God killed his family on a bet?" Ridiculous. If the God of the bible exists, he's a monster. It's pretty telling how many people can gloss over that part. It makes sense if God is a psychopath, he would be unable to understand why a new family to replace the dead family isn't just fine and why its not okay to torture Job (physically and mentally) since he gave him even more goodies at the end. The God of the bible is obviously not tri-omni nor all good and all loving or even just. Luckily he is imaginary so no need to worry. Of course, in the Bible, women and children were just a man's property. And if your property is destroyed, then the solution is to get new property to replace it. No problem, right? It's not as though women and children are PEOPLE with lives of their own. But as a man, I can't even imagine how another man could accept that. OK, some men want to trade up to a younger, hotter wife, I suppose. At least, that's the movie version of men. But your kids? Are they also replaceable like that? I don't get it. Moreover, as a man, I cannot even begin to comprehend how any rational, moral and intelligent Man or Woman can just deem this to be acceptable and not be able to even judge this completely psychotic behaviour of this God as completely deranged and evil. The worry is that people read this story and still believe their God is not only perfectly good, but the source of all morality, to the point that good and evil are defined as what their God does or does not want. What a twisted moral foundation.
God didn't kill Job's children. Satan did. At the resurrection, Job will have His 20 children back (assuming they also chose to follow God). Satan may have had a brief triumph, but the victory belongs to God.
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, you do not seem to even have any identity of your own anymore "revelation 1790"?!
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, I see that you do not even seem to have any identity of your own anymore, "revelation 1790"?!
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, you do not seem to even have any identity of your own anymore "revelation 1790"?!
The matter in Job was not a bet. This lifetime matters little for enjoying, but means everything for proving to choose the character that is made for Eternity.
Paul doesn't say the Scriptures alone suffice, but says they increase Wisdom - while Peter says we must not use private interpretation to establish Knowledge. But only one Church has all that was taught, the Deposit of the Faith which, as Paul says, he and the other Apostles were teaching mostly in person but some parts here and there in Writing as well. That one Church that received GOD's own Tradition is the one from the beginning, against which the gates of hades shall never prevail. JESUS taught the disciples something over a few years, then tied it together as an outlined, unified teaching in a matter of a few hours, which unlocked the Old Testament Scriptures. Then the HOLY SPIRIT taught some further items that are reflected in the New Testament. JESUS left a Church, not a Book, but Writings that here and there extended parts of ongoing Apostolic communications are 100 per cent true, yet do need the Apostolic Teaching as a whole to understand it all. I have noticed that many do not notice when they presume there are certain limits mentioned in some lines of Scripture, and overlook unintentionally what they had never been shown in the Tradition. Between all we are given, there is much to jointly avoid all error.
what is the biblical definition of church? Your church anathematized Jesus and the Apostles for teaching faith alone in Session 6 of the Council of Trent, Canon 9. That's not Jesus' church. Council of Trent, Sixth Session Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema. LUKE 7:50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Not her faith plus obedience, baptism, the sacraments, the eucharist, and other works. Her FAITH ALONE saved her. John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who BELIEVES has eternal life. (Faith Alone) John 6:28-29 Then they said to Him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (Faith Alone) Acts 16:31 They said, “BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Faith Alone) John 6:40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and BELIEVES in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (Faith Alone) Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Faith Alone) Jesus taught that when we BELIEVE IN HIM, we HAVE eternal life. That is everlasting life. You're trying to work your way to heaven and along comes the gospel that says, "Jesus already did it." Your religion damned Jesus to hell.
Thanks a lot Seth for your work ! As a former JW who recently left this organisation I can say you're truly a gift. God bless you.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm thrilled you escaped the Watchtower. If you ever have any questions about anything in my videos, let me know!
@@theologywithseth You can count on me! thanks again!
I find studying these religions helps me reaffirm and understand better my own faith and belief in Jesus-Christ. Thanks for putting it together
Same! I'm glad you're enjoying the content
Thanks for this! Another point you could bring up is how many cults will say that the original church "died" or was lost in the early days after the Apostles passed away, and was only "restored" with the arrival of their special modern prophet. That's a huge red flag, especially since Jesus promised that the gates of Hell wouldn't be able to prevail against his Church - Matt 16:18. God has always had his people in one place or another throughout history.
That's a really good point! Beware the Apostasy-Restoration narrative for sure. Thank you for watching!
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The point is that the Revolution on this World - " how God becomes King" , viz the defeat of Satan was commenced with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Since then the rule of God breaks in changing lives families etc. and this is happening with greater frequency in this time and will continue thus until he returns.
The quality of your videos is so good! From the slides and bullets, to the sound, to how smoothly you transition from point to point is so organized. This channel is going to grow. Keep it up!
Thank you so much for the encouragement! I definitely try to produce high-quality content and have a lot more planned. I appreciate you watching and commenting!
“Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” - Jude 1:3 ESV
Still just as timely of a warning as ever! Thanks for sharing
Just stumbled on your channel. The Spirit has gifted you with an engaging mix of humility without sacrificing truth. Press on good man (Phil. 3:14)
Thanks so much for your encouraging words! I really appreciate you watching and commenting
Hi Seth! Thank you for your video and the helpful honest way you explain your points.
You're very welcome, Linda! I'm glad you enjoyed it
👏👏👏SUPER useful video and great summary on how to identify cults. Thanks for this video brother. It's a pleasure to come through and show your channel some love!
I really appreciate that, brother! I've been loving your content as well. I'm planning on releasing a video on Jehovah's Witnesses this weekend so if you're interested in cult stuff, be sure to stick around!
@@theologywithseth no way! Lol I've been spending a ton of time on the JW website prepping for a follow up visit from some JWs I talked to a few weeks ago. I don't think they're going to come back after our first interaction but prepping nonetheless lol
@blessedandbookmarked That's amazing! Sounds like it may be the Lord's timing. I'll be praying for a productive conversation in case they decide to return! You'll have to keep me updated
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I appreciate that! Thank you!
Merci Seigneur de m,avoir sauvée de ce culte pour me ramener vers Toi, mon Dieu et mon Sauveur.
I can comment more, but I’ll leave mine brief until have more time to provide more detail view of my thoughts.
Although first and foremost, nicely produced video Seth, I’m very curious to see your other content.
Quick introduction, I am a SDA (born and raised) and do my best to be a follower of Christ. Of course I understand that my salvation is by the Grace of God alone through faith in Him alone. I don’t come to God, God comes to me.
With all that being said, I do want to point out a couple of things you said in your slides about Seventh-day Adventism.
1. I’m glad you pointed out that the SDA denomination was founded by a variety of people and not just Ellen G. White. Most critics of the church usually attribute the church’s founding to solely her to make us seem more “fanatical”.
2. The quote “… one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White...”. This is from our 28 fundamental beliefs, as you cited! However I think it would’ve been important to share the quote in full-context.
“➡️The Scriptures⬅️ testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy.
This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church.
➡️They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.⬅️”
3. To also add, our church websites states “UPHOLDING THE PROTESTANT CONVICTION OF SOLA SCRIPTURA (“BIBLE ONLY”), THESE 28 FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS DESCRIBE HOW SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS INTERPRET SCRIPTURE FOR DAILY APPLICATION”.
4. Although Ellen G. White is an authoritative figure in the church, she herself wrote to church leaders.
“But I do not ask you to take my words. Lay Sister White to one side. Do not quote my works again as long as you live until you can obey the Bible. When you make the Bible your food, your meat and your drink, when you make its principles the elements of your character, you will know better how to receive counsel from God. I exalt the precious word before you today. Do not repeat what I have said, saying, “Sister White said this,” and, “Sister White said that.” Find out what the Lord God of Israel says, and then do what He commands”. -Manuscript 43, 1901
5. Ellen G. White teaches a Wesleyan-like concept of sanctification, so when expressing “diligent effort”, she is most likely expressing the act of cooperating with God’s Grace. This wouldn’t undermine faith alone.
Ellen also writes this in her book Steps to Christ:
“We do not earn salvation by our obedience; for salvation is the free gift of God, to be received by faith. But obedience is the fruit of faith. “Ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him, neither known Him.” 1 John 3:5, 6. Here is the true test. If we abide in Christ, if the love of God dwells in us, our feelings, our thoughts, our purposes, our actions, will be in harmony with the will of God as expressed in the precepts of His holy law. “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous.” 1 John 3:7. Righteousness is defined by the standard of God's holy law, as expressed in the ten precepts given on Sinai”.
She also writes in Faith & Works:
“Pardon and justification are one and the same thing. Through faith, the believer passes from the position of a rebel, a child of sin and Satan, to the position of a loyal subject of Christ Jesus, not because of an inherent goodness, but because Christ receives him as His child by adoption. The sinner receives the forgiveness of his sins, because these sins are borne by his Substitute and Surety. The Lord speaks to His heavenly Father, saying: “This is My child, I reprieve him from the condemnation of death, giving him My life insurance policy-eternal life-because I have taken his place and have suffered for his sins. He is even My beloved son.” Thus man, pardoned, and clothed with the beautiful garments of Christ's righteousness, stands faultless before God”.
Here, is very clearly teaches being saved through the righteousness of God alone (through the imputed righteousness of Christ).
6. We believe atonement was finished on the Cross. However their is a specific APPLICATION of the atonement, and that is work of judgment. Practically all Christians believe that believers and non-believers alike will be judged in the final days… and some Christians like the Eastern Orthodox still believe the atonement is happening today.
Where you quoted “In 1844… He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry...
It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement”.
Many parts of this statement are missing. Here’s the full statement:
“There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle that the Lord set up and not humans. ➡️In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross.⬅️
At His ascension, He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the holy place of the earthly sanctuary.
In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary.
It is a work of investigative judgment, which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus.
The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection.
It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom.
➡️This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. ⬅️ It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent”.
There is way more to be said, but I think I said what I can for now…
Of course none of these beleifs I would believe unless the Bible alone teaches these things, the only reason why I sharing quotes from our church and Ellen G. White is to share some light of their ACTUAL positions, then the one presented in your video. I know you mean well and I hope my comment will be helpful to you in some way. May God bless you.
You say you wouldn’t believe any of the SDA doctrines if they weren’t also in the Bible. But if the investigative judgment is in the Bible, why is it that only the SDA’s believe in it?
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Well here’s a couple of things the Investigated Judgement teaches that other Christians believe:
1. Judgement of both believers and non-believers alike, with everyone needing to give an account in judgement.
2. Jesus being the mediator and advocate for his followers, who are covered by his blood.
3. An intermediate judgement before the 2nd coming (a belief shared in Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism, although expressed differently)
4. That Jesus is currently interceding for us since his ascension.
5. John Wesley himself believed that believers would have their hearts and deeds examine, so he believed in a “proto-form” of the doctrine.
6. And many Christians before Adventism began interpreted the 2300 days in Daniel as years.
With that being said, of course there is still unique aspects about the Investigated Judgment, but the 28 Fundamental Beliefs show the biblical verses we point to to support the doctrine, and there’s plenty of other resources online where one can find more information and studies on it.
Although just because a doctrine is “unique” doesn’t mean a Christian denomination should be considered a “cult” theologically speaking. After all as I shared from official sources, the Investigated Judgement expresses and does not conflict that atonement was completed on the Cross, that we are saved by blood of Christ alone through faith alone, that bear good fruit when we are saved, and that Jesus vindicates us by his blood and is our mediator before the Father.
Never did any Apostle, nor JESUS, ever mention a remnant Church. There was a remnant of the nation of Israel that survived, but the Church has never been reduced to a small fraction. No non Catholic belongs to the still in tact Church, bit all are called and welcome. SDA is part of the Great Apostasy that followed the appearing of Martin Luther, the man of lawlessness. He was in fact famous for introducing widespread the idea of no law, only Grace. This led to a Babylonian like confusion of endless sects, including j.w.s, and the emergence of free masons and atheism.
@@hipsterwolf7265 what do works have to do with salvation? If wee don't have good deeds, are we going to hell? Is there a list of works that we need to check off the list?
So . . . the LDS church
Since the LDS Church fits all the criteria discussed in the video, I would certainly say so, I'm afraid
The LDS church is big business masquerading as a religion and not even doing a good job at it.
What about horrible sins on children etc. if that person believes in Jesus and still abuse, these types are saved?
If someone truly has the holy spirit, they won't continue in sin. They may think or say they do, but they don't. They were never saved to begin with; a false conversion.
Infinite debt for 70 or 80 years of sin doesn't sound right.
If a JW believes in the atonement of Jesus alone for salvation and that works display his love for Jesus would that person be saved even if he continues his association with the WT?
Hi @cybrough, that's a great question. If they truly have put their faith in the real Jesus of the Bible (and not the false Jesus of the Watchtower), then I can confidently say they *will* be saved, even if they're technically still associated with the Watchtower. This is because personal trust in the true Jesus Christ is all that it takes to be redeemed and granted eternal life (John 3:16).
However, if a person is truly saved and is following Christ, I wouldn't expect them to stay in the Watchtower. I think eventually, their conscience would force them out of that group and into a more Bible-centered Church somewhere.
Of course, there may be some strange circumstance that I don't know about and they end up staying in for some reason. In that case, I would just take comfort in the knowledge that only God truly knows a person's heart and He can certainly be trusted to do what is right during the Final Judgment. I hope that helps!
@@theologywithsethThat’s easy for you to say because you have no skin in the game. Losing family and friends at my advanced age would be devastating.
@@cybrough Losing your salvation paid for by Jesus, because you prefer friends and family will be a bad choice for eternity. Are you saying it's too hard?
Salvation is not in a denial of the TRINITY.
@travisrepp1836 Salvation is lost in the denial of the True person and nature of Jesus Christ. John 8:24.
Party of it sounds like Christian Orthodoxy
Could you explain what that enigmatic statement means? I wonder both what it relates to and what it entails.
Do any of these people ever think for a second that having to find "the right" religion is a good hint that religion as a whole isn't right?
Hi there! Imagine a classroom where all the students are trying to solve a math problem, but several of them got different answers. Would the fact that we have to do some investigating to find the right answer be a good hint that mathematics as a whole isn't right?
@@theologywithseth I'm not sure I even want to respond here, this is a month old after all. I think there's a fundamental difference between the math problem and a personal god that wants a relationship. The math problem isn't a personal agent and therefore cannot care if people figure it out. The Christian god, however, is believed to desire a relationship with ALL people (give or take, depending on one's theology). God WANTS people to know the truth.
I think this makes it difficult to reconcile a god of truth who desires a personal relationship with the apparent silence that we observe. If God truly wants everyone to come to know him, why allow to people to be so utterly fooled about him? Why should we expect such a god to allow a state of affairs in which it's not clear who is right about God?
I could be wrong, but this seems to better represent the objection that I believe Philip is making.
what an unreasonable thing to say. Try using that logic to spell anyone;s name. I guess your name can be anything, therefore cannot exist.
@@travisrepp1836 You don't spell names with logic. I don't see your point.
@@travisrepp1836 The mental gymnastics you have to go through all of the time to convince yourself that an abusive, insane, sadistic, narcissistic, psychopathic megalomaniac is worth loving and worshipping, is truly a sight to behold!
What is a cult?
Christianity
Islam
How is Christianity a cult?
@TheVelvetteButterfly Please look up the definition of the word 'cult' and see for yourself.
The thousands of different versions of Christianity are just sects.
The Catholic Faith is the one true, universal Faith from GOD, Christianity. Within the realm of Christians, cults can form, but then there are the ones that make up all of protestantism. islam is a cult and is the religion of satan. Those calling themselves satanists are a joke, and satan rejects them, because he wants to be seen as God, and hates for his worshippers to have other idols.
@@MrAuskiwi101 so you turn to a secular world view source to define Christianity as a cult? That rich...
There's only one version of Christianity and there are thousands of versions of pseudo Christianity; cults that masquerade as Christianity by using our terminology but using a different dictionary to define those terms and proclaiming a different gospel.
Even as a kid, when they would bring up the story of Job, I would always think about how God "gave everything back twofold" and I thought, "Yeah but, his first family is still dead? God killed his family on a bet?" Ridiculous. If the God of the bible exists, he's a monster.
It's pretty telling how many people can gloss over that part.
It makes sense if God is a psychopath, he would be unable to understand why a new family to replace the dead family isn't just fine and why its not okay to torture Job (physically and mentally) since he gave him even more goodies at the end. The God of the bible is obviously not tri-omni nor all good and all loving or even just. Luckily he is imaginary so no need to worry.
Of course, in the Bible, women and children were just a man's property. And if your property is destroyed, then the solution is to get new property to replace it. No problem, right? It's not as though women and children are PEOPLE with lives of their own.
But as a man, I can't even imagine how another man could accept that. OK, some men want to trade up to a younger, hotter wife, I suppose. At least, that's the movie version of men. But your kids? Are they also replaceable like that? I don't get it.
Moreover, as a man, I cannot even begin to comprehend how any rational, moral and intelligent Man or Woman can just deem this to be acceptable and not be able to even judge this completely psychotic behaviour of this God as completely deranged and evil.
The worry is that people read this story and still believe their God is not only perfectly good, but the source of all morality, to the point that good and evil are defined as what their God does or does not want. What a twisted moral foundation.
God didn't kill Job's children. Satan did. At the resurrection, Job will have His 20 children back (assuming they also chose to follow God).
Satan may have had a brief triumph, but the victory belongs to God.
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, you do not seem to even have any identity of your own anymore "revelation 1790"?!
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, I see that you do not even seem to have any identity of your own anymore, "revelation 1790"?!
@@revelation1790 Are you always this dense, making stupid invalid excuses for this megalomaniacal, vile sadistic god that you are worshipping? You seem to be completely incapable of holding this prick of a god accountable for his own totally deranged actions. What is WRONG with you, how do you find this DEFENSIBLE?! However, you do not seem to even have any identity of your own anymore "revelation 1790"?!
The matter in Job was not a bet. This lifetime matters little for enjoying, but means everything for proving to choose the character that is made for Eternity.
Paul doesn't say the Scriptures alone suffice, but says they increase Wisdom - while Peter says we must not use private interpretation to establish Knowledge. But only one Church has all that was taught, the Deposit of the Faith which, as Paul says, he and the other Apostles were teaching mostly in person but some parts here and there in Writing as well. That one Church that received GOD's own Tradition is the one from the beginning, against which the gates of hades shall never prevail. JESUS taught the disciples something over a few years, then tied it together as an outlined, unified teaching in a matter of a few hours, which unlocked the Old Testament Scriptures. Then the HOLY SPIRIT taught some further items that are reflected in the New Testament. JESUS left a Church, not a Book, but Writings that here and there extended parts of ongoing Apostolic communications are 100 per cent true, yet do need the Apostolic Teaching as a whole to understand it all. I have noticed that many do not notice when they presume there are certain limits mentioned in some lines of Scripture, and overlook unintentionally what they had never been shown in the Tradition. Between all we are given, there is much to jointly avoid all error.
what is the biblical definition of church? Your church anathematized Jesus and the Apostles for teaching faith alone in Session 6 of the Council of Trent, Canon 9. That's not Jesus' church.
Council of Trent, Sixth Session
Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
LUKE 7:50
And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Not her faith plus obedience, baptism, the sacraments, the eucharist, and other works. Her FAITH ALONE saved her.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who BELIEVES has eternal life. (Faith Alone)
John 6:28-29
Then they said to Him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (Faith Alone)
Acts 16:31
They said, “BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Faith Alone)
John 6:40
“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and BELIEVES in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (Faith Alone)
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. (Faith Alone)
Jesus taught that when we BELIEVE IN HIM, we HAVE eternal life. That is everlasting life. You're trying to work your way to heaven and along comes the gospel that says, "Jesus already did it." Your religion damned Jesus to hell.