The Pioneer LaserActive - Review - Game Sack
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Episode 41 - A LaserDisc player that plays Sega Genesis and TurboGrafx-16 games as well as giant, LaserDisc-based games? Yup. Featuring music from Cyberspeed Unleashed by Mark ‘TDK’ Knight: marktdkknight....
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It's 2021 and I watch a lot of retro video game stuff and I am just now learning that this exists. The modules that you can plug in to play cartridges blew my mind. What a weird system.
Watching in 2022
@@tyleryates8508 2023!
@@HerecomestheCalavera 2024!
I always forget how expensive stuff like this used to be. My parents moved recently and there was an old VCR type thing in the rafters of the garage in its original packaging that they had bought in or around 1980 and the tag had it priced at _$1,100.00_. In *1980*. That's about $3,500 in 2017 dollars. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.
Don Johnson they had to lower the price to keep people hooked and brainwashed.
Tell-lie-vision. Use only in moderation....
Worth every penny... ;)
And this is why Game Sack is great. I had no idea this console even existed. Great job as always guys!
IMO, Dave being upset at non-terran pyramids is the best gag in the whole Game Sack canon.
PS I fucking love you guys
Nine years later, YES! HAHAHA! Pyramids are for humans only!
"UUGH!!! JUST THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER PLANET HAVING A PYRAMID PISSES ME OFF!!"
Hahaha!!
lol one of my favorite lines
What? There's no Flowers of Robert Maplethorp!?!? D:
Laser Active owners sure missed out.
Always makes me laugh to realize that they took the time to make a Mapplethorpe game and NO PORN...that’s like making an edutainment game about Robert Moses with no buildings.
that was cd-i
LMAO @ Dave getting pissed about the pyramids!
+TheMentalRelapse It's a great bit
TheMentalRelapse Damn aliens, stealin' our pyramids!
daniel cross
Stealin' and makin' pyramids, now I'm mad!
Hw should meet Richard C Hoagland
I'm watching this episode in 2018 and seeing Dave sit on the left and Joe on the right is FREAKING me out man!
Yeah, it's unsettling lol.
For being 11 years old, this video looks pretty good. That said, the lighting has significantly improved.
Haha thanks. I had fun making this one and I did kind of go hardcore on the contrast. This is one of those episodes I'd like to remake because I want to talk about the games more in depth. Alas the LaserActive was borrowed so it might not be an easy task.
Those girls are below average? ( looks at Joe ) uhu
What a kooky system, with all the modules... (but at least they do play cartridges as well).
This video has 143,226 views, the LaserActive sold over 10,000 unitsWow
It actually sold like 400,000 or something.
Many of us wanted one. Few could afford one.
Like 1.2 million units..
Someone just looked at wiki mistake lol
10:43
"My name is... (uh?) Roberto... (How TF I spell this?) ... Ba-seti."
Rodrigo Horta what are you Jeff Goblum?
what lol!
"UUGH!!! JUST THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER PLANET HAVING A PYRAMID PISSES ME OFF!!"
"UUGH!!! J
"UUGH!!! JUST THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER PLANET HAVING A PYRAMID PISSES ME OFF!!"
"UUGH!!! J
@Heroelime Actually the system and games were on loan.
"I'm so oh no, who is gonna help me find....the alpha ozone for me?" LMBO
You guys are like Daniel Day-Lewis compared to that British guy in that London (whatever) game! he literally has the worst acting I've ever seen, it's not even funny! (although I wonder if it's on purpose?!)
I'm actually interested in applying to the Game Sack school of acting now! how much is the tuition Joe? can I play with your consoles at breaks? ;D
"slightly below avrege looking japanese girls" so there 9.5/10 on the hot scale then
Wait a sec...the main console cost 1000$ and you must have at least one module at the price of 600$ ???
Good bye wallet.
No, Jean Sébastien, you'll keep your wallet. Just the money will be gone. Well, besides that, since you probably don't carry anywhere near that much cash, then you'll have to bite a big chunk out of your bank account.
i got laser disc player at goodwill for like 25 bucks lol
Hmmm $25 LaserDisc player probably looks like $25 quality also. If you want a good looking LaserDisc picture, you will still spend $800-$1000 to this day for a nice LD player from Japan. Perhaps get the DVL-H9, or the CLD-R7G, or CLD-X9 or X9 for good quality. :)
mine is cld-r7g dipshit and i got all videogame add ons as well for it
Wow, what games do you have for the CLD-R7G? Please do tell me :)
Also, please take a picture of your CLD-R7G player, and show us your add-ons along with it's price tag, thanks! I call BS on your comment.
this show should be called "my two gay dads play video games"
bill h
Jeeezus Hilarious
In the early 90s this was one of the golden rules of gaming: if your system costs more than a SNES, but isn't a Neo Geo, it's trash.
Jayce what if it was a PC
Or a Turbo Duo
Or a Sharp X68000
That black guy who looks like Morgan Freeman sounds like Ben Carson.
G'damn Martians building our pyramids, next they'll be takin' er jerbs.
This is probably what Trump has actually been worrying about this whole time he's been in office. He was just using Mexicans as an example to the aliens on how he plans to treat aliens who build pyramids. Coincidentally, this also explains his Space Force initiative.
5:00 "It turns out there's a pyramid on Mars and we have to blow it up. We don't like other planets having pyramids."
"Ooh! Just the thought of another planet having a pyramid pisses me off!"
"That's right, we can't have that."
"Unique game with crosshair and FMV backgrounds" - very funny! :). Good job!
I'm impressed at how good the video looks at 240p
I didn't try it but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
13:22 Wow that is the most hilariously bad acting I've seen in a while. :D Thank you.
I collect a lot of weird and obscure systems but the Laseractive just looks terrible
The Obsolete Geek
$2500 at the time of release is NOT the best way to get your system off the shelves, especially since it's a mish mash of other consoles with less functionality (a SEGA pack without 32X functionality, fail)
To be fair, at least used they hold their value, you can experience it and then sell it on; I sure feel for those who paid for this new...
You got to have respect. These things came out in 1978. Way before DVDs. It was new technology.
Might look terrible now, but back then I would have killed for this. In 86 or some shits I bought an Action Max. Now that was crap crap crap, even back then.
@@Bigheadedwon yeah but this was released in 92, lazerdisc had not caught on in anyway, they were cool tech that school libraries had, tg16 was dead, sega was still strong.
It got good reviews but nobody sold it or had it.
8 years too late, but I think you have a faulty eject button. I know someone who was lucky enough to obtain "old new" Laseractive (as in, never opened since production, probably was stored in a warehouse somewhere and only recently put on sale) and the eject button for the modules is easy to press and ejects much further (about 1/3 to a half of the module's depth).
Probably just needs cleaning
@@Enchurito Maybe, but I heard that those eject buttons sometimes just snap inside, so replacing it might be the only option.
oh god i cant stand it when other planets have pyramids
I *STILL* cannot believe Sarah killed herself
Oh man, I was hoping to see Time Gal. Apparently 20 other people did too, except I'm gonna give a thumbs up.
Excellent video! I know nothing about this console and this was a cool surprise!
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.
blade runner. nice.
How can you say the LaserDisc failed when DVD appeared, it was replaced but hardly failed since the Laser had the market for years before...
LaserDiscs were always niche at best. When DVDs came, LaserDiscs went away really fast. I know because I collected LaserDiscs at the time and everyone jumped on that DVD bandwagon super fast.
Thanks for answering so fast. I just don't consider niche products a "failure", specially since the LaserDisc as a format was there before the 80's and the DVD appeared in '95. Where the LD failed was replacing the VHS as a format in its time, whereas the DVD was the true LD successor, you don't make a product fail 15 years after the launch.
LaserDisc was kind of the NEOGEO of movie formats. It had a nice, loyal following, but never mainstream.
Well it wasent put to market as a "niche product". You could argue the same for anything that failed really. When a competitior to LD came, dvd, it disapeared fast.
I don't remember anybody having a Laserdisc player at home until the early 90s or late 80s. The technology existed before then, but it was rarely used. Don Bluth made great use of it, though.
This was one of those systems that I saw in the early 1990's that I always wanted to try. i finally got my hands on one with the Genesis pack in the early 2000's and it didn't take long to figure out how horrible the thing really was. I cannot imagine how furious someone would be had they bought one for full price. I landed up selling the thing as there was really no reason to keep the thing.
An RGB modded CLD-A100 would be pretty neat. Then get the Sega Pac and the NEC Pac and you've got THE TRUE KING OF EARLY 90'S ENTERTAINMENT! A SINGLE-DEVICE TO ENTERTAIN YOU AND YOUR GUEST WITH THE HIGHEST QUALITY VISUALS AND SOUND. GAMES! MOVIES! ALL IN ONE MASTERFUL PACKAGE! ONE MACHINE TO RULE THEM ALL!!!!!
Actually, there are s-video modded and RGB modded LaserActive's, and they DO play the Sega 32X as well once RGB modified, and they also look and sound far better than the consoles that they play on the LA. The RGB modded LA's Sega CD/Genesis and Turbo Grafx /Duo games look simply amazing, as do they sound amazing.
Just remember to recap the pac's before using them, and make sure to install new super cap for the saving in the TG16 PAC, and a new battery for game saving in the Sega PAC since they are all dying just like the real consoles are. ;)
TheNewFakk28 How does an RGB mod make the 32x compatible? It needs more than the cartridge slot to work. Even if it did, it looks like it blocked the controller ports anyways
@valgalder I agree. The only place I remember seeing it was an add in EGM. Basically it was giving away a bunch of gaming stuff and a hi fi audio system if you entered their contest. This was part of it.
$1000+ for this? And people bitch about Xbox One or PS4 being expensive! At least from them you get some quality games unlike the LaserActive.
And you aren't even considering inflation!
Just FYI, this tech came out before the first PlayStation system, it sported 3D games using 3D Goggles that have graphics that rival the PS2's later games, the FMV games were very popular back then which is why the Sega CD was invented in the first place, and the fact that this system was just an extension to the Sega Genesis and Turbo Duo was genious for it's time. Had Nintendo agreed to add the SNES pac, this thing would have een that much more amazing.
Imagine a system of today, adding more power to the PS4 and XBone, and allowed you to have both of those consoles wrapped up in one system with far superior video output, superior sound quality, and giving it backward compatibility with systems before it on the fly, in addition to making the new games for it region free. This was the LaserActive back in 1993.
If we had an all in one system that added more power, and everything mentioned above, it would cost the same price even today, and the funny thing is that people mock the price of this console which was actually cool for it's time just like the Neo-Geo, but those same people mocking this now are the same dinks that praise the Scorpio for coming soon with "the most power of all consoles", and a price tag to match that power. lol
The thing is this, IF you did not have this when it first came out, you cannot really sit there and talk shit about it, or even give a decent opinion about it because your not seeing it in the same regard as people did back then. What you, and those dinks in this video, are actually doing is the same as riding an old roller coaster made in the early 90's and saying it's weak compared to the new roller coasters we have today, without riding that same old roller coaster back when it was brand new. It's not the same feeling today that you would get back then if you tried all the new stuff first, it's just not the same, so your opinion about it sucking is invalid.
I cannot wait for your own kids to be your age, and then laughing about the XBone and it's spowts on tv that you stream, and COD that it plays at the E3 where MS was mocked more than anything on this earth. They will sit there laughing that anyone bought that thing at the $499-$549 price tag, or anyone that bought the PS3 for $499-$599 when they didn't even have great games upon launch, and their main selling points was the same as the LaserActive's, which is basically being "the one thing in your living room that plays everything". That will be the day you'll finally "get it" that unless they were there, they would not understand.
The difference is the competing hardware, back in the day this was competing against cartridge based systems and PC wasn't really great for gaming, whereas these days a PC will run laps around PS4 and XBO for roughly the same price and does a hell of a lot more, thus being a more essential buy
At that time there is no internet
Pioneer LaserActive games are so good, they give you pleasure overload.
Go to the Game Sack Episode Guide linked in the description, find the "RPGs - Part 1" episode. Pretty much the entire second half is Phantasy Star 1-4.
I remember my school had one when i was in 1st grade they used for teaching math with educational movies and games lol
All these nineties multimedia systems have one flaw... nobody ever designed a game genre for it that had any replay value, or was fun at all. So they all died quickly and gamers went back to PC games that were fun ( RTS, 1st person shooters etc) and Nintendo and Sega consoles (Sony and Microsoft )
A massive disc needs a massive sound effect. You provided big time on this vid and I love this kind of small detail that makes everything coherent. Good work.
The weird "British Doc Brown" guy has a ridiculously strong Westcountry accent, which makes this all the funnier as someone from the UK. The equivalent would be Christopher Lloyd with the voice of Cletus from The Simpsons.
Dat Skies of Arcadia hat
Yeah I have the SNES version and it has a pretty good framerate and is extremely playable. It has the original arcade sound, though. :( Another thing it also has is an insane amount of video compression artifacts so it doesn't look so hot. So with the Sega CD version you have graininess, but the SNES version has a higher frame rate but looks like a bad MPEG video. Half of one, 6 dozen of the other?
"Triad Stone" is also called "Strahl" on the Saturn and 3DO
Well you managed to find a console I've never heard of... Impressive...
Is your thumbnail Jim Cornette?
Another good one guys. Audio is good too. That shelving unit is good for that. NICE!
Hey Dave. I'm an alien from another planet, and we have pyramids.
*First four games*
"We have a cross hair with full motion video and we shoot stuff!"
*Sigh*
Are those all Crosshair-FMV-Shoot games?
@clays121 interesting story. Thanks for watching.
I have a question, do you guys have a US Laseractive or a Japanese one?
I'm looking to getting a Japanese imported console and was wondering if it would accept US Sega pacs
Thanks and love your in depth videos on these awesome pieces of hardware.
@clays121 It's definitely solid-state.
wow what a fascinating episode, i woulda loved this stuff as a kid. that acting was almost as awesome as house of the dead.
@tetrisdave It's sometimes stressful as you know but it's worth it.
You did indeed! That was the only one I was able to purchase, though I rented Mind's Eye and Beyond the Mind's Eye on LD and recorded them to S-VHS.
Hey, what's that song that plays during the part about the history of the laserdisc format?
LaserActive was actually Mega CD/Sega CD's prototype.
You see, originally in 1989, SEGA and Pioneer attempted to design a niche,overpriced System 24 powered Laser Disc add on for Mega Drive.
The project, codenamed " Earth", was retooled in 1990 in favor of CD and tweaking and enhancing of Mega Drive's hardware instead of a full fledged System 24 hybrid accessory(It simply would have been way too expensive and overinflated). As part of the brokerage deal, SEGA agreed to allow Pioneer to use modules of Mega Drive and the Mega CD to play its ROMs. And SEGA also gave Pioneer it left over patents and ROMs"Mega LD".
Regarding NEC, they were both laser focused on PCFX/Turbo X, and were already shifting away from video gaming entirely, so they didn't mind allowing PC Engine to be licensed and co-licensed on a Module at the time. PC Engine was already dead by 1992 anyway.
For Mega CD, JVC would handle OEM 2nd party licensing and motherboards.
Thanks for the info!
madskillsgamer128 Your Welcome!
Where did you get this information?
***** It's documented in SEGA's joint venture deals with Pioneer. Also, Pioneer had attempted to purchase Sega Enterprises,Ltd from CSK Holdings in 1994. But the buyout was blocked by CSK owner Isao Okawa who eventually left SEGA with $3 billion in debt, forced them out of the hardware business in 2001 and tried to sell off Sega's video game divisions and brands attempting to restructure SEGA into an NEC-like company before his sudden death in March 2001.
Had Okawa not died, Sega would have eventually ceased to exist. He was trying to eliminate video gaming from them altogether.
Do you guys remember the VHS console? I can't remember the name or who made it, but it was a similar principal.
Action Max
I would rather play the action max than this
At least the LaserActive has actual games.
FallicIdol
What about the View Master Interactive Vision is a slightly better version of the Action Max since the VHS and interactive sprites blend in well and aren't shooting games.
Huh, there was a VHS "console" that was actually released? I only remember hearing about the Hasbro NEMO, which is what Sewer Shark was originally planned to be released for
Of all the game reviewers these guys are the best ,they are much more professional well done game sack.
That and Cobra Command. There were amazing ports to both games on the iPhone (and I wish they would also come out on Android.)
So Pioneer came up with the Polymega first? huh who would of thought.
I really like that your videos are lengthy and you actually play the games for longer than 5 minutes before you move on to the next one. Real effort goes into these
I remember this "console" back in my grandpa-in-law's house sent from my uncle, but the module it had was karaoke one instead of all of those game modules.
watching you guys video make me wanna go back in time and ask my grandpa-in-law to give me when he was no longer interested.
omg I just saw you guys have the gate into the minds eye on lasordisk that's so damn awesome lmao
We want to. Neither of us have one any more. So we're gonna need to get one again before we can really talk about it.
13:35....Is this for fu*king real?
Who the hell passed these people as "actors" let alone allow such crap to be unleashed on the public!!!
that is a classic, thought it was a 90s porn at first
Many game consoles had acting like that actually back in the early 90s when CD games first came out. It was looked at as "funny" back then. Look for Last Alert, and Final Zone II on TG16 CD for more examples of this, and it's even worse. :D
10:27 "What are we, some kind of suicide club?"
Pretty cool episode. I actually have the Japanese release of Blue Chicago Blues on PS1, it's pretty cool.
Really cool episode, and I use to repair regular Laser Disc system back during my High school days for my local school system, as part of my Computer Network Tech classes. the early ones used an argon gas laser which produced a better picture, but burned out faster, and wondering if this system uses the gas laser, or a sold state based laser?
What remix of eternal wind is that?
Can i have a link?:)
I collect Laser Discs simply for the awesome cover art. Someday I hope to actually view one. I imagine I will be blown away by the quality.
I do have movie posters as well, most of the time the Laser Disc art is vastly different from any poster, and they aren't little pieces of cardboard they are rather large. They turn out to be better conversation pieces compared to posters.
Stoned Video Game Nerd
You can't watch a poster,open it up, interact with it...idiot.
AustinofEarth so i can imagine your mom coming into the basement has quite the conversation for your laser discs? amazing.
Yeah mom loves those discs brah.
I think you would be more like "Okay, well, that’s pretty much like watching a DVD. Alright."
I really can't get over how unnecessarily huge laserdiscs were lol
Legendary Chop Chop It wasn't really unnecessary (and were roughly the size of vinyl records). Even at that size, they often had to use multiple laserdiscs for movies.
@Zeldaschampion It sure did!
I've watched all these episodes so many times. They never get old. My LaserActive is still my favorite system to show off as most people have no clue what it is. Everyone is always very intrigued.
so quick time events did exist in the stone ages... good to know i guess...
JB Harold barely had any video. It could hold as much data as a standard CD with an hour's worth of LD video.
JB Harold barely had any video. It could hold as much data as a standard CD with an hour's worth of LD video.
Sounds like ROSEANNE BAR ON THE PC ENGINE, WHAT???
A strange time in gaming. "Look we have formats that have so much space...we can even do VIDEO these days."
Ah yes early video technology. So futuristic, so worth it so ... well happy we actually moved on.
Yea I remember this ungodly priced behemoth machine. Never got to see the games excusive to it till now. Space Berserker and Hyperion actually look pretty cool. For their time of corse.
14:17 - The dream of a man with yellow fever.
(beavis & butthead voice) uuuuuuuuhuhuhuhu uhuh huhuhu , uhhh, kooni-chee-waaa ladiesss...uhuhuhu
There’re Some Good Edutainment Games,Just Not For The LaserActive Apparently
Wow, that's kinda cool, but super expensive for the kinda, and now, I just searched ebay for the heck of it, and most of them are going to retail prices still... Too bad there were no movie based games, and this thing didn't have a wii mote type device that could be used in a light gun fashion, Aliens, Dawn of the dead, Terminator, Tron, I would be in horror and Sci Fi heaven! thanks for the review, and the games, they seem pretty simplistic sadly, but they tried...
I remember seeing that thing in the store in the Audio/Video dept. back in the day. I found it interesting, then I found out about the price. My interest evaporated faster than a pan of water over a nuclear explosion. I also saw the Phillips CD-I in the store when it came out, and I was not impressed. Although the price did impress me. I never bought either one. I would have had to sell my wife.
Great episode! I'd buy a LaserActive if they were not so horribly expensive.
STOP TAKING A SHIT ON THIS!
BACK IN 1993, I LOVED THEM MORE THAN EVERYTHING!
FIND ON YT WHAT JAPANESE DUDES COULD CREATE IN...1982!
YOU'LL BE STUNNED!
Randomroutine I've got a better idea. why don't you find the shit you're ranting about and give us a link?
3:30 - how doesn't it have at least S-video?? With something that sophisticated you'd think it would have at least S video output. I'm sure its great quality composite but still, I can imagine someone in the market for this being miffed that it didn't have S video and RGB available
I know Dave says yuck and the price point was outrageous back then; However, you could get a fully functional Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Turbo Grafx 16, Turbo Duo, Laserdisc Player, and it probably played freaking VCD's as well in one box. That my friends in 1993 was the Holy Grail of consoles. Think about it all of those consoles in one box with one plug not 5 giant black plugs (okay...3 maybe 4 depending on your setup).
All it was missing was the Snes and I mean if you have $2,200.00 to spend in '93 on gaming hardware alone then the $200 entry for an Snes was the least of your worries. The only question I have is...why wouldn't you buy a Neo Geo AES instead?
my family had a laser disc player but I never heard of this. Amazing. I kinda wanna get one lol. Those sega/Nec "packs" though. 600?! Crazy
Old video, I know, going though your back videos... I have a one of these with the Sega pack with 4-5 games. Even a few Turbo ones but, no Turbo pack due them selling over $800 these days.... It was a rich man's console back the day, I remember when it was released very limited places. I was able to score one on clearance with a few games. I would never spent $1000 back the day for one of these... I was, back then, a big Laserdisc guy, while people were watching crappy VHS movies the LD versions looked FAR better...
The LD games back in the day were neat for a while but, fair quality video with games on top of it, got old very quick.
I can't even imagine the feeling of superiority owning this console back in the day. "Hahahahaha, who is the console peasant now!?"
I like that the subtitles said "Rejecting you in Japanese". As if I haven't heard those words before.
just the thought of another planet having a pyramid just pisses me the hell off
I love the outro music you guys used for this video. I recognized it immediately from Final Fantasy III.
@M4R14NO94 Yes I remember him he was our best student.
This is really amazing! I wonder if one can play the original arcade laserdiscs on the laseractive...
Pioneer LaserActive is one of my favorite electronics that were manufactured by Pioneer.