Thank you. I try to be as objective as I can so that my viewers can form their own subjective opinions. On the other hand, when I get the chance to use a genuine Neve preamp, I just like it and objectivity be damned! DM
Analog preamps do tend to create a bit of a "bass phase shift" which is what you're hearing, I love it. In a lot of mixes, it can make the bass pop in a way EQ just won't do.
I don't know about the hardware 1073 pres because I never used one. But obviously the plugin does something to the low end. If not the tracks would cancel each other out completely. It may be subtle and not really audible on one track with one preamp. However that stuff adds up when you have it on a lot of tracks. Put a FG-73 on 30 tracks and the difference will be obvious.
I agree with your assessment that there's a bit more "glue" bringing together the separate elements of the track through the Neve, and to my ear, the kick is also a little tighter and more defined.
not useful at all. If you want to know what the neve sound is then use the actual neve analog equipment. this is simply slates poor representation of a the 1073.
Neve sound was designed more for classic music from 60s - 70s era for more Glue.Do a comparison with Real Drums, Bass, Guitar, Piano and Vocals and you will notice a big difference in what the Neve is doing,Not so much for EDM
@@AudioMasterclass That isn't the point. That can easily be heard without all the hijinks. You think that's what you're out to prove, but that's not what you're proving.
What’s funny about these emulations is that I once interviewed Rupert Neve for Studio Sound magazine. He said he designed his equipment not to have a sound.
Audio Masterclass I used to be an electronic engineer so am curious about all the excitement around the Neve sound. I’m shooting a music video in a studio where they’ve installed some Neve preamps. Must be careful to not be a smarty pants and try and find this ‘sound’ myself. Being an ex engineer I agree with Rupert, there is no Neve sound... unless you listening to the distortion created by saturating the input transformer. To me it’s woo... but I’m prepared to be proven wrong.
I'm not going to do it, but it would be interesting to test a Neve 1073 for distortion. If it's below 0.1% 20 Hz to 20 kHz at a level just below clipping, then I certainly won't hear it and I doubt if many would. If however it does poke up above 0.1% at any point then we're into 'you might hear it', and then the question is 'do you like it?'. As a comparison, I like to drink my wine from a handmade glass that cost me £25 (well at least until I broke it). The wine didn't taste any better but I enjoyed the experience more. Likewise, I'd say some of my happiest times were spent working at Neve consoles. I'm not going to rave about a Neve plug-in, but I don't mind it from time to time as a bit of fun. There are many other ways though to get the job done. DM
Audio Masterclass “do you like it?” Yes, that’s the measure. Wayback 1986 when I worked for the ABC in the design and development lab, I designed a mic preamp for myself using the best engineering practice a youngster could muster. I quickly realised to get the best N&D figures I couldn’t use continuously variable gain as pots are nowhere near precise enough. So using a gain switch with precision resistors and discreet front end I managed to get figures pretty close to theoretical limits. One SMPTE engineer taunted me “so you think your better than Neve!” Being in a nerdy mood (I’m a screen director these days) I checked the Neve preamp circuit... he did the same thing. It’s just engineering... yet I want to find out what this ‘sound’ is and precisely where it comes from.
Sigh. If only all youtube plugin reviews were as objective and scientific as yours! Cheers David, absolutely excellent.
Thank you. I try to be as objective as I can so that my viewers can form their own subjective opinions. On the other hand, when I get the chance to use a genuine Neve preamp, I just like it and objectivity be damned! DM
Analog preamps do tend to create a bit of a "bass phase shift" which is what you're hearing, I love it. In a lot of mixes, it can make the bass pop in a way EQ just won't do.
I don't know about the hardware 1073 pres because I never used one. But obviously the plugin does something to the low end. If not the tracks would cancel each other out completely. It may be subtle and not really audible on one track with one preamp. However that stuff adds up when you have it on a lot of tracks. Put a FG-73 on 30 tracks and the difference will be obvious.
That's what's up.....slap'am on all your channels
I agree with your assessment that there's a bit more "glue" bringing together the separate elements of the track through the Neve, and to my ear, the kick is also a little tighter and more defined.
Thank you for your comment, and for the reminder of the importance of the kick in this EDMish style of music.
that's how i perceive it too, now let's watch the video
transformers harmonic distortion
I finally understand it. Thank you so much sir.
You're welcome.
Wonderful! Thanks 🙏🏼 please do more of such comparisons. Very useful.
not useful at all. If you want to know what the neve sound is then use the actual neve analog equipment. this is simply slates poor representation of a the 1073.
Neve sound was designed more for classic music from 60s - 70s era for more Glue.Do a comparison with Real Drums, Bass, Guitar, Piano and Vocals and you will notice a big difference in what the Neve is doing,Not so much for EDM
Amazing. Thank you so much
You're welcome. DM
What is the point?
The point is that harmonic enhancement can turn a dull sound into an interesting one. This emulation of a Neve preamp is one way to do it. DM
@@AudioMasterclass That isn't the point. That can easily be heard without all the hijinks. You think that's what you're out to prove, but that's not what you're proving.
@@martywhite2988 I was thinking the same thing that Marty White said. Why reverse phase this comparison at all? seems really unnecessary imo.
thanks for this. have you also tried the uad version? which one do you prefer?
What’s funny about these emulations is that I once interviewed Rupert Neve for Studio Sound magazine. He said he designed his equipment not to have a sound.
@@AudioMasterclasshe asked you a question.
RIP
I think Rupert Never was right... “there is no Neve sound”
What you’re hearing is clipping.
Audio people are such suckers for woo.
Clipping, yes. But it's *Neve* clipping. DM
Audio Masterclass I used to be an electronic engineer so am curious about all the excitement around the Neve sound. I’m shooting a music video in a studio where they’ve installed some Neve preamps.
Must be careful to not be a smarty pants and try and find this ‘sound’ myself. Being an ex engineer I agree with Rupert, there is no Neve sound... unless you listening to the distortion created by saturating the input transformer.
To me it’s woo... but I’m prepared to be proven wrong.
I'm not going to do it, but it would be interesting to test a Neve 1073 for distortion. If it's below 0.1% 20 Hz to 20 kHz at a level just below clipping, then I certainly won't hear it and I doubt if many would. If however it does poke up above 0.1% at any point then we're into 'you might hear it', and then the question is 'do you like it?'. As a comparison, I like to drink my wine from a handmade glass that cost me £25 (well at least until I broke it). The wine didn't taste any better but I enjoyed the experience more. Likewise, I'd say some of my happiest times were spent working at Neve consoles. I'm not going to rave about a Neve plug-in, but I don't mind it from time to time as a bit of fun. There are many other ways though to get the job done. DM
Audio Masterclass “do you like it?” Yes, that’s the measure. Wayback 1986 when I worked for the ABC in the design and development lab, I designed a mic preamp for myself using the best engineering practice a youngster could muster. I quickly realised to get the best N&D figures I couldn’t use continuously variable gain as pots are nowhere near precise enough. So using a gain switch with precision resistors and discreet front end I managed to get figures pretty close to theoretical limits.
One SMPTE engineer taunted me “so you think your better than Neve!”
Being in a nerdy mood (I’m a screen director these days) I checked the Neve preamp circuit... he did the same thing.
It’s just engineering... yet I want to find out what this ‘sound’ is and precisely where it comes from.
And switched settings are perfectly repeatable. DM
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