Hello Marek! Just for context, the base Hyundai Tucson automatic in Romania costs 29200 euro. It's a 1.6 T-GDI 160ps mild hybrid, it has alloys, heated seats and steering wheel, basic LED headlights, digital instrument cluster and large infortainment screen, Adaptive Cruise Control. For my money, I would buy the Tucson all day. The manual gearbox Tucson is 27000 euro. I know you are using Germany's pricing but I'm just saying :) At this time, the Tucson is a well matured SUV so I'll have no issue buying one. The Forthing? I am not sure. The Tiguan? No, thank you, not for that kind of money.
It seems you guys get much better prices in Romania, even that we do in Poland. For us the Tucson starts at 37k :( The Tiguan doesn't bring anything useful to the table. They made the driver assist systems worse, and it's more expensive.
@@MarekDrivesENG Wow... So for 37000, here, you can either get the petrol Mild Hybrid, 160ps, 4x4, Premium trim (with Matrix LED headlights, premium sound, ventilated seats etc) or you can get the "Full" Hybrid, 215PS, 4x4, Style trim (the base trim, in which you, basically, have all the requirements for a calculated man). And yes, I woul get the Hybrid becaus it halls a_ss when you step on it.
Everyone says the chinese cars are cheap, what is the depreciation on a forthing ? Will they be in business in 4 years time, what about insurance can you get parts for it if you have a crash ?
@@ciybersal3499In China, "not going bankrupt" or "state-owned and protected" doesn't mean that the company will be there for its customers. If anything, the record has shown that the opposite is often true. Even world-beating privately-owned BYD has parts shortage issues here in Asia. Some people have been waiting months for major items such as door locks.
@@cubular3000 there might be problems but the point was the company will be there in existence unlike Nikola, Neta, Lucid, Canoo, Mazda and other start ups which may completely disappear. Obviously Chinese OEMs need to develop their parts, service networks as they are fairly new to the global markets
@@CarsandDiecasts You might think twice there. Out of these 2 brands the VW is the one that is going bancrupt, shutting down factories and laying off workers while DFSK like every other Chinese brand only grows bigger and sells more and more cars each year. But if you are willing to try to save VW go ahead and give them your hard earned money for a car that is at least 20 000 euro overpriced
@@CarsandDiecasts Sure, we'll see about that. In the meanwhile we're gonna drive excellent 30 000 euros chinese cars and you can go and give VW 55-60 000 euros for gloss plastics and shitty interior...
@@CarsandDiecasts I'm just a fan of getting the best for my money and not giving my money to greedy corporations. I do not care if it's Chinese, American, German or Martian. Same can't be said for you obviously since you're clearly in love with VAG
Nice to see a comparison with a Chinese car with an ICE. 👍🏻 But isn’t this like comparing apples and oranges as the Forthing is from 2020 and the VW Tiguan mild hybrid from 2024
Depends on the country... in Slovenia u can get them from 34k€ for base model, R-Line would be something like 39k€ or more, depending if you configure additional stuff. In germany and other northern countries, VWs seem way more expensive
If you don't mind me adding to what 10mbc has said a month ago, the Hyundai Tucson costs 30k in Romania, the Suzuki Vitara 4x4 (awd) costs about the same in Poland with approximately 500-1000 euro for delivery and taxes. Considering that there is also the SsangYoung and the great wall on the market , could you have the possibility to compare those as well. Further, some people are invested on the NCAP rating, awd and so on and so forth
Whatever happened to a 2.0, or better still 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a bit of grunt, good reliability and decent fuel economy? I can't see either of these being able to pull you out of bed, or having engine longevity beyond say 150,000 km.
When the test was held? Because i think DCC pro noises have been already addressed, starting from passat 2 months ago....newer kodiaks don t have this "feature"....
I drove a factory fresh Tiguan produced in 2024.11-12 and DCC was quiet. Although, possibly a bit harder than very early 2024.03 Tiguan with noisy DCC.
VW announced in October,that it has been an issue with KYB damper shocks in some setups, due to mass production which is resolved in cars being produced from November and on...customers with such issues may replace them for free together with dcc pro software update....I guess this is valid for other cars of the group as well...that s why I asked about the date of the test....
a second hand Betley Contenental could be had for a fraction of the price of either of these in the UK. Hell, even a VW Phaeton could be had for dirt cheap prices compared to these two. In the UK your average new car price seems to be around £30K regardless of what it is.
I have T5 evo, I bought it for 30 000€ in Bulgaria. Im very impressed about the car for the price and the way how it’s look. The model has weak spots, but i think for next generations will be fixed.
So.. Chinese brands are selling cars in european countries without the mandatory tech that european brands have to install on their cars? This is not only weird, but highly suspicious... This is clearly undermining euro brands competitiveness. Smells like corruption.
Government regulations aren't carved out of stone.They're written by legislator and they can agree to wave requirements for other concession from other nations as they see the necessity. Ex. You allow us A and we'll give you B in exchange. Not necessarily that, but it can be as simple as that.
@@MarekDrivesENG Whatever it is sounds very fishy... Maybe it's me, I'm not seeing the whole picture here... But the fact is, if you look at BMW, VW, Mercedes factories, this makes no sense. I think it's awful.
I'm wondering if you have a test of the Foton Tunland G7 programmed somewhere down the line. This is one of the most interesting Chinese entries in the European market, lately. (like you say at the end of the video, I belong in the category of those people who have been priced out of buying a brand new European car - 55K for four wheels (or basically anything that doesn't make me money) is definitely out of the question
Huh, would not gamble, still, but in 5 years Chinese might advance. It is obvious that it is the same sized car, but vw is much more mature, but on the other hand 30k vs 50k. None of those two 😁
Packaging on VW is much better, but I still prefer the first gen, as it was more compact. Today I'd probably just get the Karoq, which is about the size of the Mk1 Tiguan (albeit not as good looking IMO).
For the price difference of 25000 euros you could add few more euros and buy 2 T5 for the price of 1 Tiguan. It's not even a comparison... T5 is a far better deal than the Tiguan
I will argue the opposite The Tiguan is a far better deal because … what did you just say, twenty five thousand ?? Twenty fu**ing five … it can’t be, it’s like 40% less, I need to watch again this review, must some sort of « je ne sais quoi » to explain this huge difference
@professeurslow6471 VW greed is the only explanation for that price difference. It's just maybe 5000 euro better car certantly not 25000. That's why old VW is going bancrupt, nobody is giving them 55000 euro for 30000 worth of car...
Neither floats my boat...55k for a Tiguan???--with the Forthing doing its best to look like a cardboard cut-out of a Lamborghini Urus. Forthing?, now I wonder how Mark (nobby) would pronounce that in Ireland.
The Tiguan is pricey but still more refined than the T5. My choice would be the Tiguan but there are plenty of cars in the sector that would be a better alternative option. VW needs to look at its figures so not to price itself out of the market. 50k for a Tiguan 😮
Europe is putting such huge tariffs on these Chinese cars to equalise the prices. Chinese cars are so good and their prices will completely take over. Maybe Europe should drop their prices to remain competitive because they are ridiculous for what you get. It's pretty much just the badge you pay for now over japanese/Chinese cars
No, Dieselgate ruined VW. But cutting cost is not the way to reaffirm your brand. This is the time to give their buyers a little more to retain and win back their loyalty.
@@krane15Diesel didn’t ruined VW, Ferdinand Piëch did. I created an empire without heir. Guess what happened when BMW and GM were caught red-handed with fraud emissions devices, they confessed and paid the fine. on the other hand, the new directors of VW lied and it was the scandal. Without Superlópez and Piëch VW will never recover, that’s sad for VW work force, but « c’est la vie »
I got Qashqai 35k euro all options included, I looked at the T5 Evo it has only looks better get korean or other budget friendly car this one does not have even Android Auto. And Tiguan, well its price is high above anything else and you cannot even get base version for 35k euro and BTW koreans are better both Kia and Hyuindai.
He said that at the beginning. VWs are conservative with their designs. Even the R-Line is subdued compared to other carmakers like Hyundai for example.
I bought a Tiguan Excelence, because I like most, because is european and I do not like to give money to chinese industry, and because I like german products. In balance, there are no perfect cars, may I believe I made a good choise. Six months waiting... in not good :(
It's still weird how it seems like Chinese companies make higher quality EVs than ICE cars, albeit the parent companies are often different. I will say, I think this modern Tiguan is rather ugly since it has that early 2000's Peugeot grin.
China became the world's leading car manufacturer in 2009. Knowing they would not be competitive with ICE, their government massively subsidized the EV industry with a 20-year plan.
As you mentioned, I also din't understand how the chinese cars meet emission regulations without mild-hybrid tech. Is anyone from EU checking the emissions claimed for those cars, on the road? Maybe they managrd to also copy the Dieselgate emission SW :) Anyway, the mild-hybrid system is an expensive component in european cars. So are the mandatory Lane Assist and AEB functions, which the T5 does not have. How are they allowed to sell this car in EU?
Dieselgate software copy… that’s some big words ! Are you from the emotional outburst of the uncontrollable baby crying association ? I mean don’t you know euro6 is the current regulation which this Japanese engine complies to ?
They might have brought it in before July, Marek could only get his hands on it now. It is available according to their website but they raised the prices to 36k € in Hungary.
Probably low sales volume homologation exemption for 2024. The 2025 model is supposed to have all mandatory ADAS stuff. Don't know about start&stop though.
Hello Marek! Just for context, the base Hyundai Tucson automatic in Romania costs 29200 euro. It's a 1.6 T-GDI 160ps mild hybrid, it has alloys, heated seats and steering wheel, basic LED headlights, digital instrument cluster and large infortainment screen, Adaptive Cruise Control. For my money, I would buy the Tucson all day. The manual gearbox Tucson is 27000 euro. I know you are using Germany's pricing but I'm just saying :) At this time, the Tucson is a well matured SUV so I'll have no issue buying one. The Forthing? I am not sure. The Tiguan? No, thank you, not for that kind of money.
It seems you guys get much better prices in Romania, even that we do in Poland. For us the Tucson starts at 37k :(
The Tiguan doesn't bring anything useful to the table. They made the driver assist systems worse, and it's more expensive.
@@MarekDrivesENG Wow... So for 37000, here, you can either get the petrol Mild Hybrid, 160ps, 4x4, Premium trim (with Matrix LED headlights, premium sound, ventilated seats etc) or you can get the "Full" Hybrid, 215PS, 4x4, Style trim (the base trim, in which you, basically, have all the requirements for a calculated man). And yes, I woul get the Hybrid becaus it halls a_ss when you step on it.
In Slovenija cheapest Tucson is 28.000 eur : greyt buy
@@bojansalmic9811 Does it have heated seats?
In Macedonia T5 costs 28K while Tucson entry model is 30K and the one whit the sunroof goes for 42K
Everyone says the chinese cars are cheap, what is the depreciation on a forthing ? Will they be in business in 4 years time, what about insurance can you get parts for it if you have a crash ?
Forthing is DFSK state owned, zero chance of going bankrupt.
@@ciybersal3499In China, "not going bankrupt" or "state-owned and protected" doesn't mean that the company will be there for its customers. If anything, the record has shown that the opposite is often true. Even world-beating privately-owned BYD has parts shortage issues here in Asia. Some people have been waiting months for major items such as door locks.
@@cubular3000 there might be problems but the point was the company will be there in existence unlike Nikola, Neta, Lucid, Canoo, Mazda and other start ups which may completely disappear. Obviously Chinese OEMs need to develop their parts, service networks as they are fairly new to the global markets
@ciybersal3499 "Mazda... and other start ups... may completely disappear". Read that again, but slowly
@@cubular3000did you notice how the other guy's channel is just completely empty?
Ever noticed a pattern?
Of course I would go for Volkswagen Tiguan. Buying a car from a brand that won't be around in a few years is an unnecessary risk.
@@CarsandDiecasts You might think twice there. Out of these 2 brands the VW is the one that is going bancrupt, shutting down factories and laying off workers while DFSK like every other Chinese brand only grows bigger and sells more and more cars each year. But if you are willing to try to save VW go ahead and give them your hard earned money for a car that is at least 20 000 euro overpriced
@@strezification No, many Chinese producers won’t be around in ten years. In the best-case scenario, only 6-7 producers will survive.
@@CarsandDiecasts Sure, we'll see about that. In the meanwhile we're gonna drive excellent 30 000 euros chinese cars and you can go and give VW 55-60 000 euros for gloss plastics and shitty interior...
@@strezification Yea, yea. 10 years ago we had VW fanboys, 5 years ago Tesla fanboys, now Chinese car fanboys :D
@@CarsandDiecasts I'm just a fan of getting the best for my money and not giving my money to greedy corporations. I do not care if it's Chinese, American, German or Martian. Same can't be said for you obviously since you're clearly in love with VAG
Nice to see a comparison with a Chinese car with an ICE. 👍🏻
But isn’t this like comparing apples and oranges as the Forthing is from 2020 and the VW Tiguan mild hybrid from 2024
Tiguan is now 50-55k euros. Wtf?!?!?
Depends on the country... in Slovenia u can get them from 34k€ for base model, R-Line would be something like 39k€ or more, depending if you configure additional stuff. In germany and other northern countries, VWs seem way more expensive
Why not against BYDs and MGs?
If you don't mind me adding to what 10mbc has said a month ago, the Hyundai Tucson costs 30k in Romania, the Suzuki Vitara 4x4 (awd) costs about the same in Poland with approximately 500-1000 euro for delivery and taxes. Considering that there is also the SsangYoung and the great wall on the market , could you have the possibility to compare those as well. Further, some people are invested on the NCAP rating, awd and so on and so forth
4A95TD is strong. We have this model T-5 too in Cambodia.
I am sad you didn't show us the drifting session...
Yes, the FWD drift school ;)
I'm afraid it's the night crowd that occupies this location.
Here in Bulgaria, similar model Tiguan is more like 45k euro. For 55k euro you can get R-Line with full equipment and 2.0 TSI 265hp 4Motion.
Whatever happened to a 2.0, or better still 3.0 litre turbo diesel with a bit of grunt, good reliability and decent fuel economy? I can't see either of these being able to pull you out of bed, or having engine longevity beyond say 150,000 km.
Stupidly overstrict euro emission regulations happened. They are shoving down our throats what ever engine they like us to drive.
Bmw has couple of those engines still but you already know the price of those💵💵💵
When the test was held? Because i think DCC pro noises have been already addressed, starting from passat 2 months ago....newer kodiaks don t have this "feature"....
I drove a factory fresh Tiguan produced in 2024.11-12 and DCC was quiet. Although, possibly a bit harder than very early 2024.03 Tiguan with noisy DCC.
DCC noises haven't been addressed in the last decade, so I don't think they fixed it in the last 2 months :)
VW announced in October,that it has been an issue with KYB damper shocks in some setups, due to mass production which is resolved in cars being produced from November and on...customers with such issues may replace them for free together with dcc pro software update....I guess this is valid for other cars of the group as well...that s why I asked about the date of the test....
@@MarekDrivesENG Well the Tiguan from spring was clunking, the one registered just 3 weeks ago (this one had 4WD) was not.
@madisjaagura maybe it's broken? 🤣
a second hand Betley Contenental could be had for a fraction of the price of either of these in the UK.
Hell, even a VW Phaeton could be had for dirt cheap prices compared to these two.
In the UK your average new car price seems to be around £30K regardless of what it is.
True but both cars are extremely unreliable and expensive to fix. I would personally go with the X150 Jaguar XK, they can be had starting at just £6k
Ask a Bentley dealership how much they charge for a regular service, and you'll understand why they're cheap.
@ £2k for a minor AND a major service every 10,000 miles. Not too bad. Not sure if a back seat garage would touch it though. lol
You pay your money and take your chance.🤞
I have T5 evo, I bought it for 30 000€ in Bulgaria. Im very impressed about the car for the price and the way how it’s look.
The model has weak spots, but i think for next generations will be fixed.
Well that was the base Tiguan but I gather they were compared by price. If you'll notice the hatch opening for the T5 isn't as wide as the Tiguan
So.. Chinese brands are selling cars in european countries without the mandatory tech that european brands have to install on their cars? This is not only weird, but highly suspicious... This is clearly undermining euro brands competitiveness. Smells like corruption.
Government regulations aren't carved out of stone.They're written by legislator and they can agree to wave requirements for other concession from other nations as they see the necessity.
Ex. You allow us A and we'll give you B in exchange. Not necessarily that, but it can be as simple as that.
@@krane15 Those "concessions" are hurting jobs in Germany and in France. Makes no sense.
I think this is a low sales volume homologation exemption type of situation. The 2025 models are supposed to have all the mandatory tech.
@@krane15 May I ask, who is providing such regulations to the EU legislator ?
@@MarekDrivesENG Whatever it is sounds very fishy... Maybe it's me, I'm not seeing the whole picture here... But the fact is, if you look at BMW, VW, Mercedes factories, this makes no sense. I think it's awful.
So VW now got rid of a dedicated volume knob? Just like dedicated rear window buttons? This tells me all about this company's philosophy.
I'm wondering if you have a test of the Foton Tunland G7 programmed somewhere down the line. This is one of the most interesting Chinese entries in the European market, lately.
(like you say at the end of the video, I belong in the category of those people who have been priced out of buying a brand new European car - 55K for four wheels (or basically anything that doesn't make me money) is definitely out of the question
My choice would be the Tiguan, no doubt !!!
as far as i know magna provides the hardware and guidlines...the firmware&calibration is up to the manufacturer to implement.
Do we really need crap Chinese batteries on wheels?
This one's ICE.
Huh, would not gamble, still, but in 5 years Chinese might advance. It is obvious that it is the same sized car, but vw is much more mature, but on the other hand 30k vs 50k. None of those two 😁
Packaging on VW is much better, but I still prefer the first gen, as it was more compact. Today I'd probably just get the Karoq, which is about the size of the Mk1 Tiguan (albeit not as good looking IMO).
For the price difference of 25000 euros you could add few more euros and buy 2 T5 for the price of 1 Tiguan. It's not even a comparison... T5 is a far better deal than the Tiguan
I will argue the opposite
The Tiguan is a far better deal because … what did you just say,
twenty five thousand ??
Twenty fu**ing five … it can’t be, it’s like 40% less, I need to watch again this review, must some sort of « je ne sais quoi » to explain this huge difference
@professeurslow6471 VW greed is the only explanation for that price difference. It's just maybe 5000 euro better car certantly not 25000. That's why old VW is going bancrupt, nobody is giving them 55000 euro for 30000 worth of car...
I agree, totally. Reason why VW is on the decline
in China forthing and similar forthings size SUVs are around 12000-15000$ and chinese salaries are like those in Poland
I'll just take the bus...
Neither floats my boat...55k for a Tiguan???--with the Forthing doing its best to look like a cardboard cut-out of a Lamborghini Urus.
Forthing?, now I wonder how Mark (nobby) would pronounce that in Ireland.
🤣
A very competent revenue.
Yeah, and an unravelling one too.
The Tiguan is pricey but still more refined than the T5. My choice would be the Tiguan but there are plenty of cars in the sector that would be a better alternative option. VW needs to look at its figures so not to price itself out of the market. 50k for a Tiguan 😮
Europe is putting such huge tariffs on these Chinese cars to equalise the prices. Chinese cars are so good and their prices will completely take over. Maybe Europe should drop their prices to remain competitive because they are ridiculous for what you get. It's pretty much just the badge you pay for now over japanese/Chinese cars
Only on EVs. This is ICE.
Just give me a station wagon this SUVs are ridiculous!
Station wagons are dead, and they're not coming back. Just like convertibles.
Take the T5 for the look alone
Love the DFSK design
tiguan have much more engines for choose including diesel ones which only have some point for this size of vehicles
It's really dumb that you didn't make the conclusion after all
Peak VW was in 2020, but the Chinese cars are yet to peak. How blunt do I have to be?
None of the 2 for me. Save a couple of bucks and go for the BYD Seal U dm-i.
Isn't that an electric car?
@@Johnny24rs Hybrid.
BYD is a great choice
VW peaked in 2017
No, Dieselgate ruined VW. But cutting cost is not the way to reaffirm your brand. This is the time to give their buyers a little more to retain and win back their loyalty.
@@krane15Diesel didn’t ruined VW, Ferdinand Piëch did.
I created an empire without heir.
Guess what happened when BMW and GM were caught red-handed with fraud emissions devices, they confessed and paid the fine.
on the other hand, the new directors of VW lied and it was the scandal.
Without Superlópez and Piëch VW will never recover, that’s sad for VW work force, but « c’est la vie »
@@krane15 Agree ..$33 billion US is now being clawed back by fleecing their customers and sacking employees.
I got Qashqai 35k euro all options included, I looked at the T5 Evo it has only looks better get korean or other budget friendly car this one does not have even Android Auto. And Tiguan, well its price is high above anything else and you cannot even get base version for 35k euro and BTW koreans are better both Kia and Hyuindai.
Forting looks much better for my taste..
He said that at the beginning. VWs are conservative with their designs. Even the R-Line is subdued compared to other carmakers like Hyundai for example.
I bought a Tiguan Excelence, because I like most, because is european and I do not like to give money to chinese industry, and because I like german products. In balance, there are no perfect cars, may I believe I made a good choise. Six months waiting... in not good :(
It's still weird how it seems like Chinese companies make higher quality EVs than ICE cars, albeit the parent companies are often different. I will say, I think this modern Tiguan is rather ugly since it has that early 2000's Peugeot grin.
China became the world's leading car manufacturer in 2009.
Knowing they would not be competitive with ICE, their government massively subsidized the EV industry with a 20-year plan.
Is this guy for real? What this cars have only in common is the size. Please include some common sense.
As you mentioned, I also din't understand how the chinese cars meet emission regulations without mild-hybrid tech. Is anyone from EU checking the emissions claimed for those cars, on the road? Maybe they managrd to also copy the Dieselgate emission SW :)
Anyway, the mild-hybrid system is an expensive component in european cars. So are the mandatory Lane Assist and AEB functions, which the T5 does not have. How are they allowed to sell this car in EU?
Dieselgate software copy… that’s some big words !
Are you from the emotional outburst of the uncontrollable baby crying association ?
I mean don’t you know euro6 is the current regulation which this Japanese engine complies to ?
They might have brought it in before July, Marek could only get his hands on it now. It is available according to their website but they raised the prices to 36k € in Hungary.
I like T5 EVO even more because it doesn't have annoying lane assist, start-stop system etc
Probably low sales volume homologation exemption for 2024. The 2025 model is supposed to have all mandatory ADAS stuff. Don't know about start&stop though.
The Dacia Bigster is much better than the Forthing
Neither..
That Tiguan looks so ugly, n outdated next to that beauty....
The T5 is a flying turd with twin double exhaust pipes and the Tiguan is an overpriced boring lame brainer. Wouldn't go near either of those.
Clear lost for tiguan