Forward Facing Sonar Devastates Fishing Tackle Sales In 2024…Manufacturers Prepare To Wage War?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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$15-25.00 ea for certain lures probably is impacting sales as well. Ie. A rich kids game as you would say. (My 2 cents)
Right? Sorry, I can't afford mega bass like Randy is always pushing
@@silasclayton7777 totally agree. I agree with Randy on a lot but he is contradicting himself. $20 crank bait and $250 reels don’t represent the common angler. I don’t use the technology and I don’t use those expensive reels or lures, yet I still seem to catch fish and have funsomehow. Go figure.
It’s hard to watch a bull red take a $12 suspending twitch bait. The Wally World bargain box is the way to go now. Bomber lures are pretty dang good!
I hear ya, but there are reasonable hardbaits available, zoom plastics are still a bargain, 20 worms for what $6 bucks? It’s still affordable to fish if you look around. I mean not everyone can afford a GLX , I can and I love the rods. I could get by on a cheaper rod but I’m not going to do it. I enjoy my gear. But hardbaits can be pricey..it’s the nature of hobby’s and economics.
@@F14AB just gotta make sure to buy it on sale.
It's not that I don't Megabass stuff, I'm just cheap so if I'm not getting it off by sell trade I'm not getting it. Like I'm sure most of us are.
And I'm too hard on rods to get a rod. I'll stick with my $100ish Lew's and Okuma combo's I can beat to death.
I said this very thing in response to a video the other day....sales of "traditional" baits like spinnerbaits, jigs, crankbaits. etc are going to suffer mightily due to everyone flocking to "FFS" type baits like little swimbaits, etc. The entire dynamic of bass fishing is about to get turned on it's ear.
Lure manufacturers have priced them selves out of the market
Yup, just look at Berkeley. I'm going on vacation Wednesday for trout. Looked up powerbait at Sportsmans warehouse and mad as he'll to see price jumped to $7.99 for one jar. Ridiculous that they would blame ffs. Don't they watch the news and learn a lesson from McDonald's.
Check out liquid willowcat, small lure company with competitive prices.
I would think the outlandish prices for tackle plays a role also. Seriously, a fish hook costing a dollar is nuts!
Ok, here’s another aspect for the tournament organizations. I’ve been fishing as a Co-angler since the Redman days and I enjoy gettting to go out and spend the day fishing with a new person on a new body of water. I literally plan my vacations around the Toyota series every year but after spending the entire season setting in the back watching a guy play on his video game I decided I would rather go spend a week in Branson with my wife . The tournament organization isn’t getting my $100 membership per year and the city that paid them to come fish their lake isn’t getting my money to spend on food, hotels. I’m not the only Co-angler that feels this way. We are seeing more and more boater on boater draws these days in the BFL’s just because they can’t get enough Non boaters to fish
I am exactly like you. I no longer have my membership with BASS. My wife and I enjoyed traveling around going to Bass Opens. No hotels, no restaurants, no tourney entry fees, no gasoline purchases, no visits to local tackle shops, no antique stores. The FFS has screwed all of these transactions and tax dollars to the local economies. I have more money in my pockets now.
Right on brother!! Fished as a co for many years, since FFS, no more
Don
It’s crazy to watch how fast guys went from spider rigging 8 rods for crappie to 1 rod and a flat screen and out fish the spider riggers!
Yeah, and now the legion of people that sell them are using it to decimate the fishery
Spot on. I've worked in manufacturing my entire career. When sales go down the tubes, they react with a vengeance. Especially if there is an unfair advantage by another company. I knew the tackle companies would start feeling the pain from FFS. I thought it would have been sooner than this, actually.
It’s called free market capitalism. Companies are going to have to re-tool and be more efficient. The ones that don’t will fail. The ones that do will thrive. Merica
The tackle companies have only seen the tip of the iceberg on this. Give it another 2-5 years.
FFS is DEVESTATING Fish populations in Wisconsin.
Our lakes are already depleted, there's so much pressure already. FFS only makes a bad situation worse. Besides, who wants to watch a tournament with guys staring at a screen all day?
Maybe the overpriced lures will start to come down in price now!!
What next? Side scan ban? Down image ban? All electronics ban? Give your head a shake! It’s the prices of the baits that are devastating the sales! Greed! Prices keep going up and now you don’t need it and they are feeling the effects! I like the use of cheater box, almost like it’s only available to a certain type of people, oh the flat brimmers…. Maybe the old sticks should grab a PS5 and get practiced up! Technology’s are moving the world keep up or keep out!
As someone who has and uses FFS, this is the most tired and worst argument in favor of FFS. Technology is already available to harvest fish commercially. Just because “Tech” exists doesn’t mean it is by default to be embraced by sportsmen
Like I said a few videos ago ...stop buying from the sponsors and the problem will get solved
Lures use to be 2-4 dollars and rod and reels were 40- 70 dollars. Inflation, crappy economy, high rent is hurting all non essential commodities. Besides, these manufacturers and stores who are losing lure sales are the same people selling forward facing sonars for several thousand dollars a pop! Boo hoo. I can fish from a flat bottom boat with one bag of six inch plastic worms and catch just as many bass as the guy in a 80,000 dollar boat with thousands of dollars in tackle and gear.
The average angler doesn’t have FFS. Many “pros” can’t compete without it. The competitions used to be just average guys who used stuff the everyday man or woman could afford. Sure, they’d have to sacrifice a little here and there but it was attainable. Now, you’ve got clowns with a quarter million dollars in a boat loaded with video screens and more tech than it tacks nasa to launch a space craft, and they have betrayed their largest market of consumers. Just like the auto industry should have never been bailed out, no support to these companies should be offered. They chose to fail. Let them fail.
Amen brother!!!!!
I’m pretty sure tournament will eventually ban it in competitions, however the cat is out of the bag. Regular fishermen will still use it extensively .
Yes, and that's the larger problem.
Exactly. The regular guys that know absolutely nothing about fishing, but have some extra cash, will willingly spend it to make sure they get on fish. Because there is no room for patience, immediate gratification is ruining the world.
@@TomKirkman1 point being, banning it in elite tournaments may have little effect on regular tackle sales.
@@bigdawg580 I agree. It's the meat fishermen that are utilizing FFS and LS to decimate our fisheries.
How about 20 gallon of gas at 3.50 a gallon to go with 20$ lures. Cost a lot more now to hunt those fish
DWLF need to step in and make it illegal like now , where are The Department of wildlife and Fisheries guys when will y’all step in ?
Will be a long time. They will have to decide to do fish samplings, then another or two to compile the data, then another year or two to determine how to adjust the limit. If it started today you'll probably be 6 or 7 years out before anything is really done.
@@TomKirkman1 thanks for the info , if this is true our bass populations are done
The government doesn nothing right. They can stay the fuck out of it
"Conservation dollars" will keep FFS from becoming illegal for a long time...
@@TomKirkman1Garmin and the Tech companies will pay off the right people under the table. Bass, crappie , walleyes. Same thing is happening with whitetails, cell cameras, crossbows, drone scouting with infrared cameras.
F-ing Garbage.
So FFS pays for itself in other words.
It's not just going to effect tackle manufacturers, fisherman no longer need to buy expensive bassboats either...you can buy a 28,000 dollar basstracker put thirty thousand dollars with of
electronics on your boat and compete with the 200,000.00 bass boats .
Making it easier for the little guy to still compete...just my opinion.
Sir Randall has a strong honest voice ,he is appreciated by many
Interesting news. But let’s not undersell that $10-15 a pop for a lure that could be lost on one errant cast is also partially responsible for the sales downturn also. That’s 2-3 gallons of auto fuel in some places.
Exactly, nobody with the power to make changes seems to care until it starts affecting their bottom line. They don’t do it for the sake of the innocent animal involved.
One thing that you probably have not taken into account for the loss of sales in my opinion has nothing to do with facing sear. It is the fact that every Time you turn around you see a new ad for someone’s homemade Lure myself I pull my own jigs. I pour my own eyes. I pour my own blade Bait. I have friends that poor plastics. I will trade jigs for plastics. I have friends that are buying blank, unpainted, crank baits, and painting them and selling them.
I would agree with banning it in bass master and MLF. Maybe not everywhere. But if you can’t beat the veterans of bass fishing without it, you’re not a bass master or major league
The big tournament orginizations only care about making money , they do not give 2 shits about bass populations , or making bass fishing great again , it’s only about how much money they can make and that’s not right not one bit , we the fishing community are bigger , we need to keep up this fight with Mr Randy
I told you this weeks ago.. lure manufacturers join forces.. start their own tournament trail banning FFS .. maybe a 19 foot and under class and 19 foot and over .. let the 20 year olds fish elites and MLF and the real anglers fish real derby’s…. just a thought.. HAVE FUN!!!
Randy, you said this exact thing a year ago. All the tackle and years of experience/tactics are irrelevant. All you need is a shad type bait the falls at a certain rate. That’s it!
FFS is killing the Co-Angler. I have had enough of standing and watching my boater fish and sit on a spot watching the fish and I have no opportunity to work anything with any information. Enough for me, I am done. No more of my money going to MLF and Phoenix league. I am not alone, listen to your customers!!!!
Flat brimers? What does the way someone wears their hat have anything to do with fishing or forward facing sonar? Please explain.
Most bait manufacturers will simply go out of business. The big box stores will continue to do well because tackle is not their only products that make up their sales. Small tackle shops will go under also.
I know this sounds extreme but I have ordered some bait molds and have started to look into 3d printing hard baits. Prices are crazy
The FFS users don't up the majority of fisherman, do they? If the tackle industry is preparing some kind of action are they in effect trying to sell more lures to those same FFS users? I don't have the money or interest in that tech. Fishing should be more organic than that- like you've said fair chase
I think the issue is that the manufacturers use the pros to advertise their products and if the only thing the pro is using is a tiny minnow on a jig head, the pro can't effectively advertise the other products to regular fisherman because they obviously don't use them themselves. They'd like the pro to say "I won tournament XYZ fishing a (insert crank, top water, bladed jig) to drive sales. But now the pros / tournaments can't advertise anything other than 2-4 products, when the manufacturer has as many as 100+.
There's a reason KVD has a huge company attached to him - he fished a ton of baits that regular people also used. Marketing dream.
Every boat in my area has FFS, it's already ruined local tournaments.
@RickBaker0529
Yea I get a kick out of these guys that act like only a few guys have FFS. A vast majority of boats have it in my area. I see boats that are worth less than their electronics setup all the time. Local tourneys on highland lakes are ruined already and the lack of participation shows it
@@camojoe83 yes that is part of the reason I said it the way I did- you are absolutely right- the tech industry intends on All of us buying FFS because they think we are sheep
@@TFish-lu1df brother I saw a dude with three big units on his boat and FFS - a 14' jon boat with a 15hp, no decks but lots of electronics
Was in my Kayak not catching and there was a guy in a beautiful Bass Cat slaying fish 100 yards from me I can see why you are super adamant on banning em. Never even thought about the bait sales. That’s pretty much it. Fluke style bait and a jig head. I do ok with my little helix unit. Haven’t had a skunk day since I hooked it up. FFS is really great technology but it definitely takes the difficulty out of fishing.
This is what I was waiting for, I knew this was going to happen. They don't listen until you mess with their Cash.
Money moves the needle. Always has, always will.
There are plenty of lures that are inexpensive. This is good news. Hopefully something will get done and I can watch the MLF and Elite Series again when they go back to fishing after they limit FFS.
Some people use different lures with forward facing sonar Randy . I probably spend $150.00 a year on refreshing my tackle box. And I have a lure retriever on top of that. I think the economy is not that good . Look at Boat sales
Look at his video about 189k bass boat….
I don’t think you can put the genie back in the bottle, not a tournament fisherman just my perspective. I do however have it , not very good at it
It's a combination of the Economy LIVESCOPE & HIGH Prices on Lures today
It's going to get WAAAAY WORSE
I saw this coming 2 years ago.......its common sense. Cant believe it took this long to happen tho
My local tackle store is still selling just as many hardbaits as in the past. Yes more tackle mfg. are getting on the soft plastics bandwagon, but hardbaits still have their place and are still selling. Everyone has an opinion, but it doesn't prove any thing right or wrong.
Covid caused a lot boom in sales, especially for the casual fisherman. Now that boom is fading, it's just common economics. Less cash, less purchases.
Obviously many don't have a clue what the overall impact is going to be in the near future. They will have to learn the hard way. Imagine that!
An interesting well laid out explanation, thank you. My comment would be that the tackle guys aren't the only industry to be impacted by technology. The list is long, some have even been wiped out completely. Another angle might be the impact forward facing sonar is having on fisheries and fish stocks.
I knew this was going to occur as the spot lighters only use a very limited range of baits , 2-3 so figured would impact lure sales! 😅😅
Randy, you’re getting Trolled now- that’s a sign you’re making waves! 👍
I’m seeing some tackle manufacturers pivot to create FFS-specific lures and marketing them that way to grab that market. Are the FFS baits making up for the loss in broader sales of other lures? Most likely not, but what I’m trying to say is manufacturers are adapting, or trying to.
seems like icast was the ffs show
Well it's fixing to get worse with lowrance coming out with the eagle eye9 which makes it more a reasonable price for the common fisherman. I got mine preordered...
I agree, prices are too high on tackle but I will not allow the use of FFS in the tournament I run for walleye.
Until such tie as the various state's DNR's take action and ban this type of technology (FFS) it will only get worse. Of course, this won't change until anglers make their displeasure known. Every anti-FFS (cheaters) should be writing thier respective DNR to voice their displeasure with this technology NOW!
Prices for many new soft plastic minnow baits is outrageous, 2 to $3 dollars per bait for lure may only be able to catch 1-3 bass on it before it’s trashed. In turn other hard baits prices have increased too.
I will believe it when it actually comes about. I don’t own FFS, but I also don’t own a 60,000 to 100,000 dollar or more boat.
Or bait manufacturers can stop whining and be innovative like Rapala. The market decides what it wants. Get on board or get ran over.
Exactly right Randy. I cast was pretty much all about FFS baits. Sad situation right now in the fishing industry. I did hear that the MLF/BPT will be doing 1/2 tournaments with FFS and 1/2 without. But Bass has still done nothing. I personally would like to see Bass do a year without it, just to see who can actually fish from knowledge and instincts and not solely rely on FFS. I know it will NEVER happen. Now Lowrance has come out with the Eagle eye 9 for $1,000. My opinion, that’s still a high price for everyday fisherman and it’s not solving the real problem. I can tell you, from my experience, the local lake we fish is an hour away, it is NOT fishing like it used to. I spoke with a gentleman who had been fishing the same lake for 25 years and he said, the lake keeps getting worse but more so over the last 5 years. 🤔 wonder why that is? It’s only a 1750 acre reservoir anyway. Not river fed. Just a water supply reservoir. That lake was considered the best fishery in Southern Illinois. Not so much now. This year and last year have been awful. Oh, you can catch a couple 6 inches, but who wants to just fish for dinkers. Can’t even catch them in numbers anymore. Definitely a sad situation.
Never really thought about it from that angle but yeah if everyone embraced the ffs it would pretty much negate 99% of there tackle line
Randy they released a new lure spray at icast, not a scent, not a color, but a sonar enhancing spray that will better highlight your lure on FFS, absolutely ridiculous
Well said Randy!!!! 💯💯💯💯💯💯
Ive got it but i use it like my 3 in 1 side scan down scan. I get a clearer picture of brush and timber. Its saved me from loosing lures. The only reason i ended up with it is i could get the graph i wanted cheaper in the package deal than just the head unit and a 3 in 1 transducer. Its helped me find trees and rock piles in my home lake that i fished since i was 8 that i never knew were there but i dont use it to throw to fish, that just seems pointless and not why i go fishing. I like the mystery. Now after having it and really seeing those spots i dont even turn it on. I have noticed that my lake that has alot of fishing pressure when i would be scanning a laydown or rock pile that if there was fish on it or around it as soon as i aim it they scatter and disappear. Love your channel Randy, been watching since you started,keep up the fight. If our DNR said no more id gladly take it off.
Read your comments. I told you bout this six months ago. I said something like when Jonny sees earnings report, change is gonna come.
Move over old guys. The young guys are dominating .
The technology is dominating. After all, it is commercial fishing technology.
cheater boxes gps coordinates etc.
Thwy will just make an 8 pack of soft plastic minnows 14 dollars
Hi sir can you make a video on 2 inch curly tail grub, how to use them , what rigs can i put them on, and if i don't have jig heads with me what rig should i use them on❤ please
Glad to hear the good news
"Flat Brimmers" - I love LOVE it! They need to be flushed out of fly too.
Maybe someone can give us some rough estimate of the sponsor and their relative contributions. I don't know, but I suspect you may over-estimating the value of tackle companies. If your start with the list of sponsors, take out electronic mfg and any retailer that sells electronics, take out cars, truck, food and all not fishing sponsors, take out boat/motor mfg, take out clothing and gear mfg. What percentage of total sponserships is left. I bet the electronics companies will fill that gap if push comes to shove. I want to believe Randy, but I think the big money is on the other side of this issue.
I’m willing to bet it’s the aftermath of the COVID fishing rush . The casual guys that jumped in are falling out . Effecting the overall market
on the other hand, a ton of people with disposable income transitioned to remote/WFH fully during COVID and have been throwing oodles of cash at their new hobby... which they will eventually get tired of once the "toy train" stops enticing them
@@Bobby12many exactly what I’m saying. The shut down boosted the outdoors industry and most companies expect it to always to continue to increase . That’s never true to industries but investors and owners wish it was .
Technically you can say its the economy as well, just depends on who you're talking too
Don't believe your lying eyes.....Randy's economy is great. LOL
@@sps3172 Just trying to keep an even mindset, I respect Randy's opinions completely
Now they stamp FFS on everything...🤣
Buzz Bomb FFS compatible 🤣
If Forward Facing Sonar is not banned, it will bring about the end of fishing as a whole. fisheries will collapse and DNR/MMR will stop us from fishing anywhere and everywhere.
If there was ever a time that was ripe for starting a new sanctioning body, it is now. There could possibly be several bait sponsors to support the movement.
When the tackle manufacturers lose enough money and stop sponsoring tournaments they will make the directors of tournaments will have to do the right thing and ban the forward facing sonar
Randy, do u thinking might move into videos where u interview people for discussion beyond your individual dialog with viewers ? Just asking.
I’m guessing it’s here to stay as they all use it
I believe it would be public information on earnings, I would look at Berkeley,I had two items they bought from me,profits based on sales, well Berkeley is cut throat, one was not produced,one was changed enough they said it was their idea,they don't want to lose a dime,
😂 haha that last 1 minute!
But yea, another well said video, it’s also probably why sponsorship to anglers has become so very lean. However the economy kinda sucks for many folks but I’ve spent about $3800 on Rods,reels and a bunch of new baits. Just more evidence of the economic condition of our sport/hobby/career..good work as usual Randy..
I'm against front facing sonar, however the price of lures is insane. I usually buy knock off brands or something on clearence because brands like Rapala have such jacked up prices.
I'm not certain FFS is the cause for the loss of lure sales. In the past 2 years, cost of goods has skyrocketed. Two years ago, our family averaged $600 a month for groceries. Now it's about $1K! Therefore, my fishing tackle budget took a hit. I think this FFS vs tackle sales argument might be a causation vs correlation fallacy. 🤷♂️
Fishing with electronics is no different than deer hunting over a feeder if you're not skilled enough then stay on the porch
Who needs a bait with drawing power when you’re spot lighting?
Amazing how all the opposing view posts and those with irrefutable facts proving this as misinformation have disappeared.
The problem with people who spread misinformation is they don't think it is misinformation. It's like fighting a greased pig...nobody wins.
@@randyblaukatintuitive Randy, that is what your viewers that unsubscribe are telling you. You make your statements you believe to be true and you treat them as absolute.
It’s not difficult to look at public market trends and financial statements to see that FFS is not devastating tackle sales. Tackle sales have increased each year since Covid. The industry is alive and well.
Yall are crazy. The price of groceries and gas are whats hurting the outdoor industry. That extra $100 a week you used to have to buy tackle is now being used to survive. When i go into a tackle store in the last year or so they are like ghost towns. Ive watched several go out of business in the last year
Wanted to make a suggestion. This is not specific to live scope, but it would be interesting to see a discussion of your experience with the decline of bass fishing in various lakes with a fisheries biologist. Steve Bardin has appeared in a couple RUclipss I’ve seen and I think it would make for an interesting discussion. .
What if all the anglers, at least an overwhelming majority showed up to a tournament, and publicly pulled their video game screens off their boat before hitting the water. I bet people would pay more attention to these andler's weigh-ins than the spotlighters' weigh-ins, if any...
And the statement it would make, we just need unity!
Just saw at Icast a product called Reefscope. It’s in the saltwater world. But it will be on a bass boat soon
Some of them are already using it.
Never heard of it,have to look it up
exciting news!!
Tackle sales won't rebound from banning ffs in tournaments.Should be outlawed for all.
Heck yes! No more ffs! Let's get it back to time on the water makes your abilities better. Not being a robot using technology😢
I was listening to Meat Eater podcast EP.568 The Musky Wars. Host Steve Rinella talks to Larry Ramsell, Larry brings up how Live Scope is hurting the Musky fishing.
I doubt it. Not everyone can afford those systems.
I personally have a livescope but i only use it to find walleye when im alone. Kind of boring for others when im staring at my garmin. I dont use it bass fishing.
Amen Randy!!!
hover, mid, and bottom strolling have been great since before FFS, Japan has been selling baits for it for 20 years. US manufactures are just 20 years behind the curve on baits, and bait technology.
It’s what common sense should have told us a long time ago. I’ve been guilty of rushing out to buy the latest lure, then end up using the old stand-bys
Good most lures catch fisherman than fish and most fisherman have way more lures than they need .
Randy, I agree with you 💯 on your stance with FFS. But I have a question I have been wanting to ask you for a while now. Hypothetically, what would you do if Garmin or Lowrance came to you and wanted to give you a full boat wrap sponsorship. Boat and all, sort of like a turnkey sponsorship???
Dang these people that don't have 20k in rods and tackle, in a 120k+ boat/truck! They thinknthey can just roll up with these fancy cheater boxes and beat us!? Lmao
Are you going to get rid of your side imaging and traditional depth/fish finders? I didn't think so.
Well said I do agree Randy however with some of the prices for certain lures its just ridiculous. I'm using lures I have had for 15-20 years. Some of this stuff is way over priced. But FFS has got to go! Great video!
I'm 43 years old and head coach of our high school fishing team. FFS is not as bad as you are making it out to be. It is a GREAT tool for teaching kids how fish react to different presentations. I was a great fisherman before I put a LiveScope in my boat and I have also learned a lot. It makes fishing more enjoyable for everyone. It's not ever going away so it's time to just accept this. I used to enjoy watching your videos Randy but the anti LiveScope stuff is getting a little old
I’m not letting my kids get near it till they actually learn through some trial and error. In all fairness, what we “learn” with livescope, is “fish is here, cast lure at it, or fish isn’t here, move on”
@@TFish-lu1df i would disagree. I'm not a bass fisherman though. I fish for walleyes. I feel you can, most of the time, get fish to bite with the right presentation
Do you think they will go so far as to limit side imaging sonar?
I think it boils down to how people will describe a pro fisherman.
If I’m hunting and I pay to go up in a helicopter using thermal goggles to find the animals, can I really call myself a tracking professional? Or is the guy who can track by hoofprints and experience more professional, even if he doesn’t bag as big an animal as the goggles guy?
Personally I’d say the helicopter tracker guy is still a hunter, but he’s fooling himself if he says he’s a pro without being able to track the hard way.
Much like an FFS fisherman is still a fisherman, but I don’t think he can call himself a pro if he can’t fish without it.
I suspect the money will be in running two classes per tournament. FFS and non FFS. You keep the classic fisherman market relevant by keeping it competitive and the FFS guys will still drop the big bucks to have a technological pissing match.
The only downside is could see prize winnings be less for the classic guys since the companies not focusing on FFS have less cash to throw around because most fishing accessories don’t require financing like FFS does.
I’m by no means an expert in all this though so what do I know… 😜
So a bass will bite a crappie jig? Who woulda thunk? Blame the tackle manufacturers and the anglers who pay the stupid prices.