THIS is why people are ABANDONING Pro golf! | Rough Cut Golf Podcast 053
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- In this episode Peter Finch returns back from his holiday in the USA only to come back to absolute carnage in the golfing world! Jon Rahm going to LIV Golf, Tony Finau and Tyrrell Hatton to follow on the new team? And that NIKE golf apparel is going to run alongside Srixon and Cleveland
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PGA tour is a US tour. LIV are playing in more countries. We need a World Tour. Adelaide this year was the best tour pros Australia has ever seen
Very precise take! And that is actually, what Norman is trying to establish in the first place.
And why is it, that people from different countries with astonishing golf talent have moved to the United States? For getting payed more doing their thing…
Same thing in basketball, ice hockey as well. Now with a new entity offering more sallery for less work and they are pissed off. Surprise!
Well said! PGA Tour doesn’t care about the world beyond America. It has many events with depleted fields. Liv has the same players at every event and despite the negative comments from Peter, it is growing its fan base! JCB will be rocking in 24.
LIV is going to have 10x the audience of the PGA Tour in 5 years because it's a truly international golf leaague, it's growing experimentally in Asia and in Australia it just sold out the LIV Adelaide event in a matter of minutes.
I actually use to enjoy watching golf . Now it seems with all this mangled mess I have lost my passion for professional golf. Yet I enjoy playing more than ever so I believe I’ll just focus on playing and hopefully they can figure this out in the next 4-5 years. All the viewing numbers will definitely be down, because we’re starting not to care
I can't get the image of Tony Finau crying his eyes out over a butterfly falling over now, quality golf content 😂
You can't get the image? Confusing comment.
Can't help but think that those behind the DP World tour are missing a chance here. How about giving the LIV players ten starts with winnings and full ranking points ? Surely, that would help boost the viewing figures and help build the game.
Would you be cool therefore if some PGA players made a couple of teams and played in LIV events? I hear the money is good.
The point is that you frequently hear LIV players say they would like to continue playing some PGA events during off weeks from LIV. Then why should PGA players not be allowed to team up and play LIV events@cmgardner79
I got into golf a few years ago with my brother, i went to youtube for tips. I stayed for the content 🎉. I don't watch golf on tv.
Can't wait for these podcasts, you guys do such a good job speaking about the game and not going so deep you lose people like me, the beginner. Appreciate all the hard work from the 4 of your (and others behind the scenes). My only criticism is your intro Jingle. That thing is so catchy I find myself humming it at the weirdest times, like yesterday when I was getting knee surgery it popped in my head as they were putting me under. Why?
The only thing preventing more players going to LIV is the majors. I think its no coincident Rahm moved after refreshing his major entries for the next 5 year with his Masters win. If the majors said they would offer spots to the x amount of top LIV players. I think you would see a lot more players move
The US OPen and the The Open are not that difficult for tour level players to qualify for. Not sure on the PGA...
@@outtakes69 Tell that to Sergio Garcia!! However you're not wrong a tour level player should be able to qualify but that's only for the majors that allow it.
Fantastic podcast Pete, Kieran, Jacob and Mick
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Love the Podcast Lads pure class, keep up the good work 👌🏌♂⛳
Everyone is entitled to there opinion. I enjoy watching the best compete, and care less what league they are in. Some of the best are in both LIV and PGA. Will watch both. For anyone to criticize a player for moving to LIV because of the money is BS.
Late with the comment, but I feel this needs to be said. Nike is not leaving golf apparel. This rumor started with a news article that Nike Golf US switched their distributor to a company called Mint Green. Mint Green is a Canadian company that distributes many golf brands line Srixon, Cleveland, XXIO, etc. They do other sports too, but mainly focuses on golf. Here's the thing, Mint Green has been Nike Golf (and tennis) Canada's distributor for many years. It's likely that Min Green has impressed Nike enough to expand their services to cover the US as well now.
That's all this is. Logistical changes.
My biggest problem with golf is equipment deals. Players shouldn’t be allowed to have them, so we can actually see what’s truly the best and most preferred equipment out there!
I've been playing golf since I was 6. Ive watched golf since I was 14. It's now 25 years on and ever since LIV has come around and created drama, I've watched less golf than ever.
I tried watching LIV golf, but it's boring, lacks drama and any excitement is tempered by the fact there's no stakes.
PGA is losing stars, so naturally I also watch less of that too.
I have a good feeling that will end up dieing out, eventually, as people watch sports for _stories_ . There's no story in LIV. There's no one trying to keep their card. No one chasing history. They're just exhibitions.
It's not me being old. Story is what drives sport. LIV feels like what social media is today: quick hits of dopamine. It just lacks substance that story gives you. And I say this as someone who was on social media from it's beginning but then over time realized it didn't offer me anything. LIV is going to end up like that if it doesn't change.
And the PGA, who knows. I have no interest now really in either. Thanks, Norman.
With regard to the questions about why LIV players were playing on (and winning) DP Tour events: Those specific events were co-sanctioned by other organizations, like the Sunshine Tour, Australsian Tour etc. And Dean Burmester and Oosty are long-standing members of those tours.
I am at a point I simply don't care anymore. The amount of money is so far away of my imagination that I simply turned around and don't care any more. I play and watch the Majors!
First of all great content as allways! Talking about the John Rahm situation as a Spanish golfer I can say it's a big move... Most spanish golfer apart from Ryder and the majors wacht PGA on weekend if John is in contention and the DP world tour if Pablo, Oategui, Arnaus or any other Spainyard does well. Apart from that both tour are broadcast by a Payperview chanel that is quite expensive. I have a lot of latinamericans friends that tell me that audience in tv PGA event has drop down since LIV started and don't know the asian market but can say the aussies and southafricans are more interested in LIV. I understand most americans and British preffer PGa for the tradition and prestige but most upgrowing countries with a good potencial audience does not care that much about it. My self as an Spainard have the crossed feeling of sadness to not see John and other great player on the Sawgrass or Pebble Beach but also excited to see how thing evolve with both LIv and the PGA/DP world Tour.
I think part of why professional golf is losing audience is youtube golf. Young people in particular have low attention span. So they are not going to watch a 3 or 4 day event.
I think you are spot on Pete, and I only watch golf on you tube then the final day of The Masters and The Open.
Number one podcast in Thailand. It's only far to film a round at one of their courses 😅
I agree with everything you said Pete. For me, i used to love watching all the top guys playing every week. But now lots of them have gone to Liv, im know where near as bothered to tune in to watch on sky golf because they're not there. There are all the others, but for me i just like watching the top stars battle it out, i know that sounds not great, but thats hiw ive started to think, and thats not great. I just wish they could all play together again.
I would like to see the top 10 players in LIV and the winning LIV team for the year get invites to the majors. Then the LIV tournaments would mean something and they could market that rather than the money aspect. I don’t watch LIV but I don’t watch PGA or DP tournaments either. I watch the majors, Ryder Cup and the Australian open (being an Aussie) and I want the best players playing in these tournaments.
Biggest golf podcast in Denmark is Golfshowet though, you still have Thailand though!
In fairness I think it’s the media who go on about the financial element of liv rather than the organisation themselves. It’s the media who report how much people won from this tournament. If you take it as a purely sporting achievement it’s a lot easier to consume
I honestly don't find myself drawn to watch much broadcast golf outside of the majors. RUclips has become my preference for watching golf. I prefer the interactions of the creators and the comradery over watching the pros. I'll watch RUclips for hours and broadcast golf I'll flick in for like 15 minutes every hour or so, except for the Masters which I will watch end to end for 4 days straight.
I get not caring about liv events for us older guys. But the pga was a nothing upstart league when they started too, and nobody cared. It’s gonna take a generation to start to build heritage, and if they pull enough talent the usga is either gonna have to include them in mangoes or slowly watch them fade away. There is a ten year old golfer out there so stoked at his team doing well this season. It’s just not you old grey beards. Me included in that, but I can see the wind of change. Scorpions!
Majors not mangoes 🥭
i've stopped watching golf (except for The Open)... i'd rather spend that time playing on the course or practicing on the range.
I dont watch LIV but then I dont watch the PGA any more either - only really watch the majors / ryder cup and rhen you tube videos. Playwrs who moved to the PGA from DP tour did so for money which is no different to PGA to LIV
I understand your comments with LIV Golf, I agree with you as I am not interested in LIV. There are issues with the PGA, But I am getting more interested in the DP World Tour, the diversity of young/old players playing the tour, the DP will grow even more and its going to be exciting
I am a diehard golf fan and I’ll watch just about any tournament that is on the TV, whether that be PGA tour, or DP world tour etc i’ve not, however, watched any LIV!!
I have and it’s a good watch. DP World Tour is dire.
@@andybt3989 I enjoy all golf to be honest, I’ll give it a chance at least!
The powers on each side are doing a thoroughly great job of fucking up the game for the fans.
Rahming Hood 🏹 😂love it Mick!
This is maybe the one time I realy, and dont get me wrong, felt a ton of respect for Pete. Not very often have I heard anyone pinpoint the issue with LIV and profesional golf so good as Pete did, and it realy shows that he ment it. I could not agree more. Profesinal golf is daing and LIV-golf is the reason, or at least the start of the end. If not DP/pga do something people will stop care about golf at that level, but there is one plus; This opens up fpr a brand new start and maybe a new eara of golfers perhaps led by Rory/Tiger where there is room to realy make golf the greates game on earth again? I could not care less then LIV players, they dont even have to struggel to make milions, so where is the pressuer to be better? LIV is a joke.
I think you need to take this in context of do you watch the DP world tour every week, No, let’s say your a top PGA fan you don’t watch every game it’s boring. Honestly I try and watch every highlights of LIV and the final
Round cause I can actually follow what’s going on, I know who’s playing, I know who unlike, team coverage needs to improve but. I get the team’s thing, it adds something for everyone to play for in every round. So collated to every other tour, except the PgA you can’t say that it’s not a major improvement. The only thing the PgA has is legacy for some events. That’s it.
oooohhhh, a Guess the Player Special! 🥳
Haven't watched it. Will do. First impressions as a working man. Can't blame them. I would in a heart beat.
Couldn't agree more. I wouldn't even watch LIV if Tiger played. If the tournament doesn't mean anything I don't care
I can’t believe you went to Death Valley ? I have a friend that participates in the 100 mile Death Valley run in summer ….. some people just are suffer enjoying humans. Why can’t the PGA and LIV trade players …. One could get large chances at cash and the LIV guys can get points ? Allow top fifty DP and PGA players to trade places for a few events , it could make the guys play harder, they just would only have a few shots at the prize. Have the money less on the old tours ( can’t afford new raise of funds anyway) make sure WRP points are enough to get a win or a few good showings get the LIV into majors. I like the male and female team events that just finished , the. Format of hit drivers swap and finish as best ball is briliant !
Watching the Majors, RUclips and DP..at least you get to see golf being played! PGA.....
This move may have backfired bigtime for LIV. From what I'm seeing on social media, it's turning people off LIV! As for growing the game, yes I think it's going to grow RUclips golf . I would rather watch Tubes hack it round than watch a LIV "event" !
Most of your points compare LIV events to the majors (money vs green jacket etc). LIV didn’t try to compete with the majors. They’re trying to complete with the John Deere and the 3M and the event formerly known as the Wells Fargo.
Denmark is listening :-) First of I gotta say honestly all this crap going on is starting to be to much, but with that said I startet playing golf just before LIV startet, for me its the stuff i watch its faster more fun and i dont have to sit and watch the tv for a hole day. But again regarding all this PGA LIV stuff I actually support Rahm's choice I mean who could say no. And he chose to do this for more time off, more time with family and because PGA is going behind the players back on so much stuff. Then we have the chairman in the PGA who changes hes mind more than anymore, and goes behind the players back again and again, so I actually think its the perfect time for Rahm to switch side, and even now one of pga's biggest sponsors of 20 years (wells Fargo) announced they pull back their sponsorship on pga So for me its fine he joined cause now i get to see him more. Greetings from Denmark
I don't see why we can't have both. LIV is more like entertainment golf and the PGA is more professional. The PGA is more intense, especially the Majors and LIV is more like seeing great golfers have fun competing in a let's have a bit of fun format. I have been watching PGA golf since Jack and Arnold were going head to head and always will but I enjoy watching LIV also because it's entertaining.
These players are NOT worth these vast sums of money based on how many people actually watch golf. Golf as a business cannot sustain this amount of money but LIV has now massively over inflated players worth. The bottom is going to well and truely fall out of professional golf and these players may well find that nobody is watching them anymore.
Tiger will never wear any logo other than TW. No way he's wearing Jordan.
Masters, Open, Ryder Cup, Solheim Cup and i usually go to the BMW.
Maybe if there was a world team event say like Davis Cup in tennis, that could be interesting!
The LIV teams have no connection with a country or city so why would you care or be remotely interested in how they're doing! No amount of money will turn golf into Premier league, NFL, NBA etc without a serious strategy to take fans along for the ride.
How long does that 450m contract last? Does it work out to like 45m a year for 10 years or something?
3 year deal, team equity plus mainly cash, $150M per year. So 3x the highest NFL player.
Or $100M less than Cristina’s Ronaldo’s $260M earnings in 2023.
@@MichaelLowes Jesus that is even more sensational, lucky man.
Guys 100,000 spectators were on course for Liv Adelaide in 23 . 2024 is already sold out, thats growing the game outside the US/UK bubble
I use to only watch the masters and the open. Now I also watch Liv because I get to see Cam Smith . Ripper GC needs 2 more players hopefully liv sign Min Woo Lee and ether jason day or adam scott.
The pga coverage of Australian players is disgraceful you are lucky to see Woo hit a shot live.
But do we care about any tour event , we care about the Majors.
I am the one from Denmark 🙂
I only watch RUclips golf and LIV.
15:27 Oil or ”blood” money is basically the exact same thing. Where did the SSG get their money by the way, Emirates money seems to be acceptable all together, cause Europeantour… Exxon, Shell and what not have ripped off African countries by exploiting their natural assets and leaving the countries poor in the process.
And basically every significant container ship,harbour in North America is owned by companies in the Middle-East, sheiks and kalifis of the countries made all their money with oil.
Footnote; SSG is the group of NBA franchise owners PGAT is having negotiontions with to incease the purse and apeal of the PGA Tour for players over LIV.
I been watching LPGA, LET and RUclips golf for the last years. And Ryder Cup
The rest i dont care about!
My 2cents 🇸🇪
It’s Nikee
I watched golf the least this past year than in the last 20 years. I watched at least part of all the majors, I watched some of Sawgrass and then pretty much ignored the rest of it. Anyone aligning with the PIF is pretty much dead to me. I am sure the players will enjoy the money, and good for them, but I have no interest in LIV at all, and much less than I used to in the PGA tour because I think they will all be one soon enough.
I watch Finch Golf Media content.... professional golf isn't available on council TV.
isn't it strange that the ratings show NOBODY watches LIV, yet the comments in videos like this are always flooded with pro-LIV stances. Hilarious.
I've read 3 different people say something like, "why is it only golf that people have a problem with oil money". These people are clearly not match-going football fans, who have consistently expressed their distaste towards any state Ownership; whether it be oil money or otherwise.
Wow, Pete’s signed a $601 million deal with LIV
I think the only winner in this whole situation is You Tube. Pro Golf is finished for this generation! Young 10 year old Billy just starting out will be the one to benefit in a couple of decades time.😏
Truth is: the PGA is operating on borrowed time, and the big named players can see this.. so can the huge sponsors like Wells Fargo (and a few rumoured others) who have/are planning on jumping ship.
No doubt PiF will start a World singles tour over the next few years, especially if "the deal" doesn't work out with the PGA. Which I personally think is great for golf, the world will finally see all the best players live in thier country.. not just in the States or at a few Majors abroad (and that's if you're lucky enough to attend one).. They'll also play at epic courses that normally get shunned by the PGA.. which IS great for golf and the industry in general.. (no matter how much I hate that fraze great for golf myself 😂😂)
4 liv winners in a row on dp world tour. Not 2
The problem with Liv is the product sucks. Nascar/Instagram version of golf. If I want to watch an exciting, fast-paced sport then I’m not turning on golf. If the PGA Tour crumbles, I still won't watch Liv golf. World Tour is becoming the best watch these days anyways, and the RUclips space fills much of the itch.
As for the ethical stance, it is different to actively and knowingly take part in the sportwashing of human rights violations. Especially as we see journalists around the world being targetted. To compare it to taking money from Wells Fargo or RBC (I'm under no illusion as to the purity of their investment practices) is VERY different. It's sad watching the conversation disappear, and to see the intentions of the Pif working on mass.
Is John Rahm going to LIV just going to open the floodgates for more players going to LIV? The more big names going to LIV is giving more strength to the LIV tour, and the PGA tour will start having to change their stance on the exclusion of LIV players. So will the Ryder Cup committee. The Ryder Cup will become pointless without all the big name golfers if they all start following John Rahm to LIV. The balance of power is unfortunately swaying more and more towards LIV. Just when golf was experiencing a resurgence in popularity, the rug has been pulled from underneath it's feet.
Guys I love you but you have to pronounce the “e” in Nike. I understand pronunciations are different from region to region but this is a name. I probably wouldn’t care as much but saying “Nik” 157 times in a row (exaggerating) was just too much. Again love y’all keep up the great content and hairstyles 😂
PGA SHOULD GIVE THEIR PLAYERS SHARES. THEY WOULD STAY WITH DIVIDENDS.
Detroit - "It's not Ideal" = It's a DUMP"
I care
It doesn’t matter how many stars go to LIV, I’m still not going to watch. I will just watch less pga tour. The majority of my golf watching is on RUclips. It’s actually been fun following less known golfers on the pga tour and lower tours.
Just a note, it's the PGA (and DP World Tour) that created the situation where a player that moves to LIV has to leave the other tours. The original vision of LIV was that it was a form of "premium" World Tour that all players could take part in. By the PGA banning their player and effectively voiding player sponsorship and income, this required LIV to compensate monetarily the players that moved to LIV.
If you take cricket and the IPL, the national teams (e.g. Australia, England) did not ban players from taking part in the newly formed IPL. The players took part, gained experience, improved their skills, made their money and it was a win-win situation. In fact it was so good, it spawn a whole host of twenty-twenty series in their home countries that has brought in a brigade of new younger fans. In Australia the Big Bash is on prime time TV, something the previous interstate competitions could only dream of. And slowly, a new history and tradition is being made.
The PGA was greedy for sponsorship money and introduced their "wrap-around" year long schedule in 2013. Hence the PGA didn't want to/couldn't co-exist with LIV. This year-long schedule has also been responsible for effectively killing the local tournaments of Australia, South Africa because they used to exist in the PGA "off season". Once the "off season" was scrapped by the PGA, the smaller tours could not attract big golf names to their own tours and hence could not attract big local sponsors.
For countries like Australia and South Africa, LIV has revived the local tours because LIV players in their off season can come back and support their own nation tours. In Australia, the Australian Open is a big deal again because the PGA of Australia had enough sense not to ban LIV players. And I did enjoy Joaquín Niemann come from behind and take the trophy.
As an Aussie, I do care and I do give a crap. I do follow LIV, but more importantly I am absolutely grateful that at least once a year, big names in golf are "able" to come to Adelaide, Australia and I get to watch in person for a reasonable ticket price and no international travel required.
What you are right is that I don't care how much LIV had to spend to get the big names away from the PGA, I "DO" care that these players are now more available to more people in markets other than the US and the UK. There was no chance I could be a few arms lengths from Bryson De Chambeau, Dustin Johnson and this year maybe even Jon Rahm if it wasn't for LIV. And what you haven't seen is the golf driving ranges in Adelaide filled with young people (teenagers and kids), following the LIV event, trying golf because the the LIV event showed them golf could be exciting!
You've got to get down boys off your chairs and live with it. That is what it is. Itid1878 s the future of golf you either like it. Or you doubt if you don't start teaching or start picking the waist up in the streets
When are you going to play Paige on your channel?
You guys are much more interesting than pro golfers...couldn't care less about pro golf
Mick, first of all congratulations on your new haircut. That was almost unbearable. 😉
Personally, I find the TV broadcasts of the PGA and Liv Tour boring. I'd rather be on the golf course myself or watch golf vlogs on RUclips.
So I don't care which player is playing where. I find the whole discussion about where the money comes from to be flimsy. Half the Premier League is sponsored by money from Qatar and Saudi Arabia and hardly anyone on the island gets upset about that.
And both USA and UK Governments work with Saudi especially for arms sales worth billions. They keep them
Sweet because the last thing they want is an OPEC backed oil crisis like we had in the 70’s
"hardly anyone on the island gets upset about that" - sure. Other than the fans of every single team that isn't state owned. Sure, nobody gets upset ..... Moronic.
you are missing two points.One utube is taking viewers because its free Golf is pay per view on sky, US cable. Two the really big tv feed prices are defined by who controls or buys the feeds, sky etc are not the underlining consumer. The betting platforms that feed off the chinese are the big players. And they just want content. but that is the market that the Saudis are buying content for.
Let’s be real tho for 600 mil I think I would regardless what they have done in the past
Take out the moral issues, I’m just disgusted that one country can turn a major sport on its ear by throwing such massive amounts of money at players. Way above market value as well, with no need to recoup the losses. What’s the endgame?
I cant believe anyone cares what label is on a players shirt, Tiger or otherwise. They wear what they are paid to wear, its not a qualitative statement.
A golf podcast with guys who barely watch golf commenting on why they don't like LIV.
Never watched LIV.
Haven't watched the Tour since they took money from the Saudis. I watch the Opens and Rider Cup...and that's it.
And FWIW, $450M is a phenomenal sum, and yet, it's less than .2% of Elon Musk's net worth 😲
Watch ytube golf only now,cancelled sky cos of cost, golf club subs going up seriously this new year and as for the cost of equipment!!! Greed at the top and stupid hcp system especially the new rules with it,ball roll back coming!!!!Been golfer for 30yrs but its time to call it a day.
I consider myself a hardcore fan, I watch ridiculous amounts of both RUclips golf and the PGA Tour. I also watch quite a bit of European Tour (as it should be called) and even some women's golf occasionally. I have personalised leaderboards for each tour and follow players most people have never heard of.
Players chasing titles, records, WR points, or simply playing rights is what makes professional golf so appealing to me. Every single shot matters. This is why I have absolutely no interest in LIV whatsoever. It's basically an exhibition with nothing to play for but money. I love Jon Rahm but his defection makes no difference to me. Not interested, sorry.
So for someone like me who likes to see the best players compete as often as possible, the current situation is quite the nightmare. I worry about where professional golf is headed. I mean, look at these incredible sums of money being thrown around by LIV, it's not sustainable. We're in the last stages of a massive bubble which is about to burst and when is does, things are going to get ugly. Let's hope it will be nothing more than a purifying thunderstorm.
get it right you are not a hardcore golf fan you are just another hardcore pga tour fan who thinks he loves golf
The LIV teams are so irrelevant. I'm sure the guys say the right things at the right times, but I have a real hard time believing most of the players care at all
PGA has and will alway be the highest pinnacle level of golf. Like every single thing in life when money is involved there is no loyalty. Only a few people don’t because they want to better themselves. Example tiger and Rory
Golf is playing to win and playing to stay on the tour NOT money who cares how much money they win
I skipped (and will) the discussion on anything PGA/LIV. I feel -now - that I will concentrate more on my game, the history, maybe RUclips-golf… and not think of PGA/LIV/DP WT before the Masters. Keep up the good work guys!
Ef LIV. Not a viewer. Never will be.
Aside from majors and/or Tiger, Collin, Rory or Ludvig teeing it up on the PGA tour, I'd rather watch you play Grant Horvat. More entertaining. More relatable.
No one wants relatable.. we watch professional sport for a reason
So you also don’t like regular PgA tour golf or DP world tour, Liv is a pretty good 2nd place to the PGA too events and the majors, not bad for 2nd year and the 30+ tours in the world.
@MichaelLowes people don't understand that tho... 😂
Dp tour (for up and coming), you tube, pga + wpga . never watch liv meaningless format
The only solution I can see is if Rory, Scheffler and Hovland join LIV then the PGA tour will agree to a merger with LIV. Rahm is a start but I think Yassir should pull out all the stops and get the rest of the top ranked players to LiV then his full house will beat Jay Monahans pair of deuces.
The PGA brought this on themselves. If they would have actually listened to the gripes of Mickelson and Norman, and then made some changes, LIV wouldn't have been able to get the players.
Such a poor narrative. PIF lured players through greed, plain and simple. Stop blaming the PGA for not being able to stand up against unlimited wealth. The PGA isn’t perfect, but the players were by no means suffering. If a true startup was created, with limited resources, the current scenario wouldn’t be happening because players wouldn’t have moved.
LIV... Haven't watched one minute of it. Won't watch one minute of it. As for Rahm, that's a shame but good riddance. Like Dustin, Bryson, and others, you'll become a non entity until the Majors roll around. And even at the Majors you'll feel the resentment.
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I love this podcast but really feel like your guys views on liv, Jacob in particular (soz Jacob im actually a big fan of yours) are so naive. To say nothing could turn around your opinion of liv when you clearly haven't given it a chance is laughable, especially when you're supposedly excited for TGL, which is just a copycat concept on a smaller scale. The idea that the Saudi money should be an issue is also crazy - the PGA Tour was willing to take that exact same money, so there is now literally nothing stopping players from switching as they'd have gotten some of it anyway. The world is not full of goodies and baddies like in the movies, and as Pete says, there's dirty in money in sports the world over, that is just the reality of the world we live in. Give it a change and liv is actually an entertaining product and far more entertaining than sitting and watching the pga tour (excluding majors obvs).
Caveat that i am in no eay associated with liv, but i am a fan and watched all of the events last season (for free, in my own time, on their web platform). Liv is the evolution of golf, people just need to stop taking themselves so seriously and enjoy it for what it is
Think of all the 12 year olds now dreaming to make it to LIV Golf for the $$$ not Majors. Sure all you old golf followers will have your heads down but all the future of golf are all cheering for LIV they all want a slice of this pie. R.I.P PGA
Does not matter to me who goes to LIV. I don't like the format. I don't like the pounding music.
Professional golf is anything but right now. I just cant get past 9/11, Kashoggi's murder and LGBTQ+ oppression when it comes to liv but I guess the players either don't care or just pretend its nothing to do with them. I will watch the majors to an extent, time difference being a factor, and the players. The rest is just uninspiring and like you guys I don't get a hoot how much money they win. I guess the reality is I would rather watch Grant, Micah, you guys than the average PGA event.
Rory is acting like a plank! Ban Liv players from Ryder Cup except Jon Rahm. Complete plonker! His continual rants!
The Sunshine tour (SA) and the Australasian Tour dont really give a shite about the DP's desire to carry the bags for Jay and PGAT. We welcome all players dowunder, it is our tour that DP has co sanctioned probably as profile youtubers you should know that given the South African and Australian Opens are some of the oldest on the planet, there is a world beyond a bankrupt DP Tour and the attempts of monopoly from Jay and crew.
Peter has never been to a LIV event, never watches LIV yet keeps trashing it. Considering the best players are slowly becoming united(on LIV) and will be playing each other more regularly(which is what the fans have always wanted) it's pretty clear how this is all going to end up yet this podcast keeps on trashing it. Considering Peter/Rick(gets it) needs access to the best players for their business, a more pressing question for the future will be who will Peter collaborate with in the future? A really bizarre business strategy.
My advice would be to watch more LIV, go to an event(JCB next year) and read a little bit about the long-term plans instead of the current echo chamber that LIV is going to disappear.
He’s not trashing it, he’s just calling out the motives and the impact it’s having to what’s his career as a pro golf pundit.
You guys are so bias. How can comment on Liv when you don’t watch it? It’s like me talking about PGA when I don’t watch it. To tell us that know one cares about Liv is totally wrong. I’ve got into golf because of Liv. My 3 kids and hubby all know about Liv. I’ve watched all of Liv tournaments this year. Did you watch liv q school?
Some really interesting comments and points made here but also some incredibly insensitive and stupid points also made. Personally, I cannot stand the guy giggle talk that goes on here at a level that is far too frequent. Listen to your own podcast and then judge whether it's a quality recording with all the giggling that goes on. Personally, I won't listen again.