Lucy Gray actually does get active in killing in the book. She taunts and baits a couple to attack her so she can ultimately kill them. I don't really like that the movie changed that because Snow ultimately sees her as dangerous and vicious because of those kills, which explains how he was so paranoid in the forest. The key difference between her and Katniss is how polar opposite they are when it comes to the balance of hunting and performing.
There are less snakes and some people hide. Lucy Gray chills with her Snake friends and then shoves one down a competitors shirt. We love a girl with a brand.
@@spazzyshortgirl23 Yeah, somebody wanted to have that visual of mountains of snakes, but it really undercut Lucy Gray's agency, and it undercut the business with the snake at the end, and why Snow believed she was trying to kill him the same way she killed Reaper.
Snow may land on top, but Lucy Gray indirectly gets the last laugh. Snow never found out what really happened to her, so he had to spend the rest of his life paranoid that she would come back and expose him. This is why Katniss irks Snow so much. She’s a rebellious girl from District 12, she won the Hunger Games, she’s named after Lucy Gray’s favorite plant, she sings “The Hanging Tree”, and her symbol is the Mockingjay. Everything about her reminds Snow of Lucy Gray. A common fan theory is that Katniss is a descendent of Lucy Gray, likely through her father (because of the songs, the forests, etc.). The Capitol tried to erase all memory of her. The footage of the 10th Hunger Games was destroyed, Lucy Gray is considered to be dead. But through Katniss, her memory lives on. There’s a reason the “it’s too early for katniss” line is in there.
katniss is actually related to lucy gray. her grandmother from her fathers side is lucy’s younger cousin who we see briefly in the movie named “Maude Ivory”. lucy gray is basically katniss’s great aunt.
To be fair Katniss only had a few moments of spontaneity. Lucy Gray and Katniss are a little similar in that sense where people are doing things around her and she is just being used by everyone, whether it is President Snow or Present Coin. Katniss is never in full control of her life. There are moments where she does take control but there are always consequences (Like in Mockingjay where she goes rogue and people die because of it). Lucy Gray is supposed to be a performer put into a fight whearas Katniss is a fighter put into a performance.
About your Lucy gray points. Yeah it’s snows story and it’s based on a book where our only perception of Lucy gray comes from snow she’s not supposed to be a flesh out character cause he views her as an object and cherry picks traits about her. She also does have a more active role in the hg in the book. I think this book was hard to translate into a movie cause it heavily relies on his inner monologue which we don’t have but they did their best I think
5:23 so fun fact. I know the dean says the citizens are bored of the games but in the book they were never watching to begin with. 11:38 so in the book it was actually Gaul’s idea to let the citizens get closer to the kids and feed them. The movie unintentionally makes Snow look more smarter than he was presented in the book. 13:25 what you don’t see in the movie is 2 days later they had a funeral service for the murdered mentor and to make it more sickening, they had the tributes in chains, marching in front of a truck and the truck had a crane, and hanging from said crane was Brandy’s (D10 girl) body.
@@ceeeegeee I was talking about feeding the tributes “in the arena, feed them like your friend here. Would that make them (the viewers) feel more involved?”
I believe someone commented on another video that Lucy Gray was a performer who had to learn/forced to fight where as Katniss was a fighter, who had to learn/forced to perform
This is completely based of the movie and not the book, but I personally don’t think snow wanted Sejanus to get hung. Everyone talks in the movie about how Sejanus’ father is very wealthy and can basically buy anything (He bought his way in the capital and Sejanus uses his fathers money to bribe a peacekeeper to get in the arena). And Snow thought that if Sejanus was caught for treason his father could just buy him out and have him returned home leaving Snow in the gallows, as he mentions in the movie. So I think Snow only thought that using that jabber jay would only get Sejanus in a little trouble with his father after he was brought back home, and didn’t think it would result in his execution.
Because Snow is vicious but a little naive that the Capitol doesn’t discriminate in its consequences. But he’s attached to Sejanus like a stupid little brother who won’t keep his mouth shut. But his ambition made him hateful and sour enough to overlook the obvious consequences
Lucy Gray's power is her voice. She wins the Hunger Games by getting the Capitol to be her mockingjays. Just like in Mockingjay, her song the Hanging Tree, will make District 5 sacrifice themselves to take out the Capitol's power
The main difference between snows vibe in the book versus the movie is that the entire book is snows inner monologue at every moment. The book is much better at showing he didn’t just turn overnight; he already had some really sadistic opinions that just manifested even stronger through the course of the book. But he knows he has to hide what he really thinks for his own benefit, which is what we see in the movie.
He absolutely did not want Sejanus to die, but he was obviously more concerned with his own self preservation. It's confirmed by his inner dialogue in the books.
I think I left all my comments about this out of the edit, but I also thought there were too many mentors and/or not enough time with them, so I felt about them very similarly to the way I felt about the tributes….just an overall lack of connection to them. There’s a lot going on from every angle, which I think subtracted from time focusing on the secondary characters (at least in comparison to the rest of the series), and I would’ve liked to have spent more time building those relationships/personalities up (:
@@laurashawnleeI'd love more development for the secondary characters too, but, that being said, Katniss is an empathetic person, so as we are seeing the original movies from her POV, it'd make sense for us to know more about the people she interacts, because she would want to know more about them. On the other hand, Snow is a narcissist, he wouldn't retain much information about people's personalities and intricacies, unless it is related to his interests, so the other mentors and tributes personalities wouldn't matter much to him, so it "wouldn't matter" to us neither would change much on the plot overall. At least, that's how interpreted it. Anyway, loved the reaction!
If you've read the book by now, then you know that the film took on a difficult task and then undermined its own success by making Snow too sympathetic. It was never supposed to be a love story or a good person corrupted or traumatized story: some people are just sociopaths and there's no excusing how they think or what they do. The lack of character development comes down entirely to the fact that the book is from Snow's perspective, and he dismisses everyone who isn't a threat or a stepping stone in his opinion. I'm grateful that you were able to understand that in part: so many reactors blame Lucy's "betrayal" for how he turned out, and they miss the irony of his quote at the end: what he loved was power, and it did destroy him.
super carlin bros thinks why tigriss hated her former bestie is she fucked to keep them fed he knew & then as president put winners like finnick threw that but noy for foodto keep their loved ones alive a different way they also have a theory on lucy either being katniss's paternal grandma or maybe coin but they believe it's more likely maude ivory was her dad's mom
Lucy Gray actually does get active in killing in the book. She taunts and baits a couple to attack her so she can ultimately kill them. I don't really like that the movie changed that because Snow ultimately sees her as dangerous and vicious because of those kills, which explains how he was so paranoid in the forest. The key difference between her and Katniss is how polar opposite they are when it comes to the balance of hunting and performing.
There are less snakes and some people hide. Lucy Gray chills with her Snake friends and then shoves one down a competitors shirt. We love a girl with a brand.
@@spazzyshortgirl23 Yeah, somebody wanted to have that visual of mountains of snakes, but it really undercut Lucy Gray's agency, and it undercut the business with the snake at the end, and why Snow believed she was trying to kill him the same way she killed Reaper.
Snow may land on top, but Lucy Gray indirectly gets the last laugh. Snow never found out what really happened to her, so he had to spend the rest of his life paranoid that she would come back and expose him.
This is why Katniss irks Snow so much. She’s a rebellious girl from District 12, she won the Hunger Games, she’s named after Lucy Gray’s favorite plant, she sings “The Hanging Tree”, and her symbol is the Mockingjay. Everything about her reminds Snow of Lucy Gray.
A common fan theory is that Katniss is a descendent of Lucy Gray, likely through her father (because of the songs, the forests, etc.).
The Capitol tried to erase all memory of her. The footage of the 10th Hunger Games was destroyed, Lucy Gray is considered to be dead. But through Katniss, her memory lives on. There’s a reason the “it’s too early for katniss” line is in there.
katniss is actually related to lucy gray. her grandmother from her fathers side is lucy’s younger cousin who we see briefly in the movie named “Maude Ivory”. lucy gray is basically katniss’s great aunt.
To be fair Katniss only had a few moments of spontaneity. Lucy Gray and Katniss are a little similar in that sense where people are doing things around her and she is just being used by everyone, whether it is President Snow or Present Coin. Katniss is never in full control of her life. There are moments where she does take control but there are always consequences (Like in Mockingjay where she goes rogue and people die because of it). Lucy Gray is supposed to be a performer put into a fight whearas Katniss is a fighter put into a performance.
About your Lucy gray points. Yeah it’s snows story and it’s based on a book where our only perception of Lucy gray comes from snow she’s not supposed to be a flesh out character cause he views her as an object and cherry picks traits about her. She also does have a more active role in the hg in the book. I think this book was hard to translate into a movie cause it heavily relies on his inner monologue which we don’t have but they did their best I think
5:23 so fun fact. I know the dean says the citizens are bored of the games but in the book they were never watching to begin with.
11:38 so in the book it was actually Gaul’s idea to let the citizens get closer to the kids and feed them. The movie unintentionally makes Snow look more smarter than he was presented in the book.
13:25 what you don’t see in the movie is 2 days later they had a funeral service for the murdered mentor and to make it more sickening, they had the tributes in chains, marching in front of a truck and the truck had a crane, and hanging from said crane was Brandy’s (D10 girl) body.
Wait, it was Gaul's idea? I remember it being Sajanus who wanted to feel the tributes at the zoo
*feed
@@ceeeegeee I was talking about feeding the tributes “in the arena, feed them like your friend here. Would that make them (the viewers) feel more involved?”
The funny thing is that Sejanus and Lucy Grey’s actors are dating in real life for over 2 years! Rachel and Josh met on the set of West Side Story
And they are THE CUTEST
I believe someone commented on another video that Lucy Gray was a performer who had to learn/forced to fight where as Katniss was a fighter, who had to learn/forced to perform
This is completely based of the movie and not the book, but I personally don’t think snow wanted Sejanus to get hung. Everyone talks in the movie about how Sejanus’ father is very wealthy and can basically buy anything (He bought his way in the capital and Sejanus uses his fathers money to bribe a peacekeeper to get in the arena). And Snow thought that if Sejanus was caught for treason his father could just buy him out and have him returned home leaving Snow in the gallows, as he mentions in the movie. So I think Snow only thought that using that jabber jay would only get Sejanus in a little trouble with his father after he was brought back home, and didn’t think it would result in his execution.
Because Snow is vicious but a little naive that the Capitol doesn’t discriminate in its consequences.
But he’s attached to Sejanus like a stupid little brother who won’t keep his mouth shut.
But his ambition made him hateful and sour enough to overlook the obvious consequences
Lucy Gray's power is her voice. She wins the Hunger Games by getting the Capitol to be her mockingjays. Just like in Mockingjay, her song the Hanging Tree, will make District 5 sacrifice themselves to take out the Capitol's power
The main difference between snows vibe in the book versus the movie is that the entire book is snows inner monologue at every moment. The book is much better at showing he didn’t just turn overnight; he already had some really sadistic opinions that just manifested even stronger through the course of the book. But he knows he has to hide what he really thinks for his own benefit, which is what we see in the movie.
He absolutely did not want Sejanus to die, but he was obviously more concerned with his own self preservation. It's confirmed by his inner dialogue in the books.
Lucy gray had to learn to fight while Katniss had to learn to perform
Since it's about Snow, wouldn't it make sense that we don't follow the tributes, we follow the mentors? 🤔 Like we'd know Sejanus, not Dill
I think I left all my comments about this out of the edit, but I also thought there were too many mentors and/or not enough time with them, so I felt about them very similarly to the way I felt about the tributes….just an overall lack of connection to them. There’s a lot going on from every angle, which I think subtracted from time focusing on the secondary characters (at least in comparison to the rest of the series), and I would’ve liked to have spent more time building those relationships/personalities up (:
@@laurashawnleeI'd love more development for the secondary characters too, but, that being said, Katniss is an empathetic person, so as we are seeing the original movies from her POV, it'd make sense for us to know more about the people she interacts, because she would want to know more about them. On the other hand, Snow is a narcissist, he wouldn't retain much information about people's personalities and intricacies, unless it is related to his interests, so the other mentors and tributes personalities wouldn't matter much to him, so it "wouldn't matter" to us neither would change much on the plot overall. At least, that's how interpreted it. Anyway, loved the reaction!
Book Lucy actively kills Wovey, Treach, and Reaper via poison and snakes (because not everyone dies from the snakes and she weaponizes them).
same i was team lamina till the end i was rooting for her knowing damn well about the armour plot
alternate title for this movie:
“Hunger Games: The Musical” LMAO jk
If you've read the book by now, then you know that the film took on a difficult task and then undermined its own success by making Snow too sympathetic. It was never supposed to be a love story or a good person corrupted or traumatized story: some people are just sociopaths and there's no excusing how they think or what they do. The lack of character development comes down entirely to the fact that the book is from Snow's perspective, and he dismisses everyone who isn't a threat or a stepping stone in his opinion. I'm grateful that you were able to understand that in part: so many reactors blame Lucy's "betrayal" for how he turned out, and they miss the irony of his quote at the end: what he loved was power, and it did destroy him.
Great movie definitely hit my top 5 of last year a lot of the best movies I saw of the whole year were in November and December
Your fanny 😂♥️♥️♥️ love youyy
14:13 Hamilton😍😍
i love this Musical so much
super carlin bros thinks why tigriss hated her former bestie is she fucked to keep them fed he knew & then as president put winners like finnick threw that but noy for foodto keep their loved ones alive a different way
they also have a theory on lucy either being katniss's paternal grandma or maybe coin but they believe it's more likely maude ivory was her dad's mom
like Lucy heaps more than Katniss