Suzanne Collins named Lucy Gray after a poem of the same name by William Wordsworth about a girl named Lucy Gray who goes missing in the snow :). The ending is supposed to be ambiguous, so we don’t know how far she got or how long she lived for. It’s up to interpretation! either way her legacy lived on and she had a great impact
The mystery in the book is that we don't know if Lucy Gray is alive or not. Which will haunt snow forever, and in the future, he sees Katniss, and she reminds him of Lucy. All of the hints of Katniss in the movie will bite back on Snow in the future 😂 Another thing is that people theorize that Lucy Gray could be Katnisses' grandmother or that Lucy's cousin is Katnisses grandmother. Either way, if they are related, Snow has beef with that family personally 😂😂
Yea the flushed out theory is that it’s not Lucy as Katniss’ father’s mother but Lucy’s little cousin, Maude Ivory. Theorizing Maude grew up to marry an Evergreen (they changed their last name to Everdeen over time). Which explains how Katniss knew so much about Covey tradition/ songs. Especially the Hanging Tree song.
@@TaewillsThat’s the popular theory because Maude Ivory stayed in 12 and looks like Prim being natural blonde. HOWEVER they’re mother is blonde but they’re daddy had brunette hair. Along with being known for his singing and the covey being of nomadic origins before the Districts were cut off from each other how else would Katniss’ Dad know how to make/use a bow & arrow and hunt so well in the woods? Because Lucy taught him. I theorize she fled up north as planned, got pregnant at some point (Everdeen on close inspection doesn’t sound too Panem), Panem expanded territory and borders over the years and already living in the woods from a cabin while living as a fugitive gave her son to her cousin to raise. Keeping an eye on them whenever possible before Snow made it impossible she would’ve been able to train her son and tell him the stories. It would also explain why her name is so on the nose in the connection between Snow & Lucy Gray under the tree of Mockingjays. As well as the last thing she said to him.
@@juvon102 Lucy Gray taught Mr Everdeen how to be skilled with a bow even having no such skills of her own? And ALL Covey members knew about the forest - any one of them could have taught Katniss’ dad those things. It doesn’t have to be Lucy. And I haven’t heard one theory that included hair color lol bc it makes no difference. Why can’t Lucy just have escaped & lived the rest of her life away from the insanity? I don’t understand the need to make her be Katniss’ grandma
@@Taewills “I haven’t heard one theory” Well you just did. I haven’t heard any confirmation that either of them are related to Katniss as the story makes it purposefully ambiguous to the viewers for us to piece together the breadcrumbs embedded throughout the story. Why mention hair color? Genetics. The Covey moved from district to district before being forced to settle in 12 where we later get Katniss. The Covey couldn’t have learned hunting beforehand and would’ve been greatly tortured/killed trying to jump the fence when it was new, they were just about purely musical and would’ve under mighty tight watch by Snow. Mockingjays aren’t in 12 but right outside the gates governing them. I did say this was my theory which really I’d be damned to be told it makes as much sense as Maude Ivory who was a preteen that I doubt did the hunting when Lucy Gray fled also has no confirmation of ties to the Everdeens. Something else to note about genetics is more often than not, with the surrounding environment in mind, Will passes down just as much as DNA. Lucy Gray and Katniss Everdeen were born spicy one was just more of a fighter while the other a performer.
@@juvon102honestly, your theory is the most sound in terms of Lucy Gray being Katniss grandmother. Don’t know why the other person was so pressed. These are all just theory’s lol
Snow could have just minded his business, he had no reason to betray his friend who could have made it out or been caught on his own anyways. He's been evil and selfish all along and just been hiding it well because his family was broke. Tigris told him "you can be good" so that means that there were clues that he might be a psychopath possibly like his dad was. If he was capable of love you'd think he wouldn't mind being in district 12 and would try to run away with Lucy and join his friend. He looks passive, but he's always plotting.
yes, from the few reactions I"ve seen they preface their videos with "Lets find out how snow became evil" When really its more "Let's see how cunning and conniving snow has been from the very beginning and how when given so many chances to choose good he still doesn't"
@@thatoneperson8154 that’s what the movie was missing it’s really good but the inner monologue of coryo from the book can’t be shown in here so most people are definitely confused about the cabin scene
I agree! He just didn’t have the resources to truly unleash what he already was becoming into. It also didn’t help that he grew up in war and starvation which in itself can distort a child’s growth and mental capabilities. Snow was already cunning and ambitious, he was not evil - not yet - not till after he has felt a semblance of power. His last ties to humanity was his attempts at falsifying friendship with Sejanus, and his obsession with Lucy Gray. When he inadvertently had Sejanus hanged, he tells Lucy that he ‘killed his old self’. Which is true - he did. Second to the last thread of his humanity snapped the minute Sejanus was hanged. What finally detached and made Snow the man who he is today was his perceived ‘loss’ of Lucy Gray. He’s deranged, and a sociopath, so he did not love Lucy but he felt like he had every right to posses her, and he wanted to believe he can be what Lucy Gray saw in him (‘You and me, we are written in the stars. You are as pure as the driven snow.’). When he was given an opportunity to escape, he considered it, but he STILL wanted Lucy, just like the game players said. (‘It’s convenient the price and the girl are together, Corio.) Snow is not a trustworthy author, so of course he absolved himself of why Lucy left him. To him, he risked everything for her (and most especially HIS name and money), he ‘loved’ her, and she betrayed him!) so he was validated in being angry enough to want to get rid of her. When he has deluded himself of these notions, that’s when Corio truly died and became Snow.
A little of tangent here too, but I genuinely wished that Lucy stayed alive and played the long game with Snow’s downfall. It may not even have changed Snow’s behavior, but I think it would have been curbed to a significant degree seeing as most of the depraved acts he had done to the districts - and then Katniss - all mirrored the Snow who fell into anger, paranoia, and contempt after Lucy Gray. (This is not her fault, she escaped a deranged man, and he’s going off on his own tangent that he was the victim here). Also, I genuinely think that Lucy would not have left if Corio admitted he inadvertently got Sejanus killed. It just didn’t make sense why she’d isolate herself from everybody - with a potential murderer - just to ‘run away’ from him. It’s too risky. There’s a scene that I find was super overlooked, and it’s when Lucy tells him trust is everything to her. She can take everything but a broken trust is not one of them. There’s a reason why she kept drilling him about it. If Corio did not lie, I think Lucy would have stayed, and the rebellion would have been supported by Lucy too in the end.
Sejanus is dumb as fuck, he could actually make a difference with influence and money, but he wanted to play the stupid rebel. His death is his own fault, if he followed Snow advices in the arena, he could have changed the whole future by becoming a benevolent and wise leader... But he choose to be dumb.
@@Chuuzus Unless you've seen the original already, watch both. Love to get your opinion over the changes the 2021 makes. But mostly so that you can truly appreciate Rita Moreno (Anita in the 1961 movie, Valentina in the 2021 movie), 60 years difference and still commands the screen). The original play and movie of West Side Story broke down a lot of barriers in the 50s and 60s (gang violence, racism (granted had been criticised in musicals before but not this level), social status (the west side back then were the slums of New York), assault and death). Because of that all sorts of other shows could be put on, darker ones than what was associated with musicals before. And because of that the new productions and the new movie can take things even further.
The third act was rushed a bit I agree but I still really liked it. No one knows what happened to Lucy and they erased this hunger games from the archives. Loved your reaction to this. and young snow could get it lol 🤣😍
I understand not wanting to needlessly stretch something for profit, but having read the book, it definitely should have been extended into 2 movies. It was very well executed, but there was so much poetry in the details that would have been phenomenal to see with the same level of care. This is one instance where it could have gone longer for the sake of the art.
@@michaelvincentgalante1097100% I understand that some people might like the conciseness of a singular movie, but they would’ve been able to cut way less from the series if it was two parts
the way I was in the movie theater simping all over tom blyth then realizing: 1- my bf was beside me the WHOLE time and 2- tom is literally playing THEE evil minded coriolanus snow.
theres many theories to what happened to Lucy Gray: 1) she ran away to district 13 2) she left panem 3) snow killed her, although were not supposed to know what happens to lucy gray, like what snow said "its the thingss we love most that destroys us", the mystery of where lucy gray is haunts snow forever.
In the book, there are strong hints that Katniss has links to Lucy and/or her relatives on her paternal side. Her dad is the one that taught her The Hanging Tree (which was a Lucy Gray original and was only ever performed once in public). He also showed her where that cabin and lake was (which is something only people in Lucy’s clan knew about), and I’m pretty sure he’s the one that named her Katniss (something they dug up and ate). The theory is that someone in that clan was maybe Katniss’s paternal grandmother… No matter what happened to Lucy (and I personally think she survived), I love the idea of Snow having to keep one eye over his shoulder for the rest of his life. She was the one loose end he never tied up that could destroy him…so, another District 12 girl coming in all those years later and being his ultimate undoing, was Lucy’s final word. 😏
Lucy Gray and Maude Ivory are blood cousins and there's hints that Maude Ivory will eventually become Katniss's grandmother (Maude Ivory can sing beautifully, just like Katniss and her father, and Maude Ivory can learn a song after hearing it just once, like Katniss.) So if the theory is true then technically Lucy Gray and Katniss are related.
no but now that i’m thinking abt it lucy gray is really a performer like. she played the capitol audience and she played snow, she came out of the games, barely traumatized w a fat fortune and literally ditched him 😂😂😂😂she’s kind of mother fr. snow wanted to make the hunger games into peak reality tv and he found himself his first perfect actress to catapult him into stardom
I love this movie so much, honestly one of the best movie experiences this year because I get the chance to see this in IMAX, the score and dialogue gave me chills during so many parts 😭
I really like how they made Snow handsome but not sympathetic. You can still empathize with him when he's trying to do good things, especially when it's not clear whether he does it for himself or for Lucy (and whether he does it FOR Lucy or to GET Lucy), but it's not trying to do the classic "see? evil tyrants also have problems 😔" that prequels, specifically "villain origins" so often do.
So much was left from the book but this movie ATTEEEEE DOWN the fact that we get to see Snow be HAUNTED by these women ugh I love to see either. Can't wait to see your reaction 🩵🩵🩵🩵
Now why did they have make Snow so fine. That vest and blouse🫠🫠🫠. Viola Davis slayed as the villain. It’s giving Mad Hatter mixed with Jigsaw. I almost cried for Dill, honestly she would’ve died more gruesomely if she didn’t drink the water.
The thing about Snow is he wasnt fully evil when we first see him in the film. He definitely was completely self-serving. There was no decision he made that didnt have benefit to him and his ambitions, including being friends with Sejanus and helping Lucy Gray. He had potential for good but kept finding reward, profit and/or power in being evil. Also, the way the movie ends is pretty much how the book ends. Because he got bitten by the snake, Snow is delirious and cant be fully sure if he did shoot Lucy Gray or not. There is no trace of her. It is supposed to mimic the song she is named after, where a girl disappears without a trace. Because no one, including the mayor, claims to have found her body there really are just a few outcomes: 1. She did die but maybe somewhere near or in the lake, which is why they cannot locate her body. Or unfortunately some kind of animal consumed her (i think this is the least likely) 2. The mayor did find her, dead or alive and has hidden her whereabouts because he definitely would have gotten rid of her. 3. She escaped. I like to think she made it out in the woods or all the way to District 13. She was originally a nomad anyway. If somebody could survive out there, it would be her
Yes!!! Snow found it more rewarding and profitable to be evil! Being kind didn't serve his ambitions because he had the desire to dominate and control others, it was more rewarding to be manipulative and the world/culture he lived in rewarded this behavior.
no because movie Snow is so easy to like in his academic weapon era. he was so quick thinking when it came to helping Lucy in the arena, its hard not to root for him, but the novel does a good job of showing how selfish he was internally
Fun fact: Rachel Ziegler (Lucy) and Josh Andres Rivera (Plinth) are actually dating in real life and star together in West Side Story(2021) which you should definitely check out.
The book goes a little more in-depth, but basically, the idea is we’re not supposed to know what happened to Lucy Gray. It’s supposed to be a mystery. Also in the book, we don’t actually know if she figured out what Snow did, or if he was just being paranoid and freaked out all on his own. In the book, maybe she didn’t answer him because she was off behind a bush going to the bathroom, and didn’t figure out anything until she saw him yelling her name with a gun. 🤷 But the movie didn’t let that part be a mystery. But something fun about the book; it’s heavily implied that Maud Ivory (the little blonde singer, her cousin) is Katniss’ grandmother. There’s also a theory that Lucy Gray made it to District 13, and that she’s President Coin’s mother.
When the redhead with baby bangs died in the games I actually got really sad cause like you I hated her but as she dies she says "I can't have killed them all for nothing" because she didn't want to kill anyone but like everyone else was forced to, to survive. Its really sad and reminded me that the tributes aren't the enemy even the most violent ones. The only reason she hurt anyone was because the capitol decided children should pay for their parents crimes.
knowing that he ends up benefitting from the Plinth family in the book is so depressing. the end of that novel was devastating in three sentences. and the fact that the 10th hunger games is erased from history is so heartbreaking, Lucy Gray was a mystery.
I liked that part three was rushed because its almost the way snow was feeling inside. Confused, paranoid and almost rushing himself to a solution. We are seeing it from his point of view so i get why we are left with unanswered questions about lucy gray because he himself doesn’t know.
I loved your reaction as always🤭. You know the actors are good when you wish they were together in real life. This was the first Hunger Games movie I saw in theatres and I loved it. An instant 10/10. Every hate review or comment is so irrelevant.
"NO THURSTING AFTER SNOW REMEMBER WHAT HE DID TO FINNICK" that was me the entire time I was watching this movie. They had no right to cast him looking like this T_T
Snow has every opportunity to be GOOD. His father and Dr. Gaul are feeding his bad side (his father is already dead) but he has Tigris and Sejanus yet he chose to be BAD. There are people around him who are good and he still became bad, that tells you a lot about his character. Idk why people think that it was Lucy Gray's fault that he became the Snow that we know from the previous movies but he always had it in him. He have doubts on Lucy Gray even from the very beginning and Lucy Gray trusted him until he mentioned that he killed 3 people and lied. Even if he never met Lucy Gray, he'll always be evil. He craves for that power and wealth. Also, the theory that I have in mind about what happened to Lucy Gray is that she lives in the north away from the districts. It doesn't really make sense that she left the districts to live in district 13. She wants a peaceful life away from the hunger games and district 13 is really not a peaceful district since they're constantly fighting the capitol.
I think both are true and not mutually exclusive. The film gives plenty of evidence that Snow is messed up. Nobody asks him to snitch on his friend, for instance. And yet, we'll never know *to what extent* he would have gone bad had Lucy Gray stayed. He could have stopped there, and maintained more or less the same level of crazy. I'm siding with her btw, I would have gtfo faster than Lucy Gray. But I think that it did really turn a restrained psychopath into a full-blown totalitarian mass murderer. Just think of the two main quotes from the movie: 'trust is more important than love', and 'it's the things we hold dear that destroy us.'
@gianellab.4953 I also agree with this take. Snow was already bad. there was no way around it. However, he had the potential to be good and ignored it just like the the previous comment said. But I do think the level of badness would be restrained had he stayed with Lucy Gray. However Snow did make the conscious choice to be a villain and take villanous routes. He didn't have to be bad or evil and he had negative traits that could be enforced by his environment, but had he made different choices and listened to the good people in his life it could have been different.
I was so excited to see that you reacted to this, I needed your reaction so badly because I just knewwwwww you were gonna be thirsting and then also being like NAHHH but it's Snowwwwww 😂😂 you made me laugh so much with this reaction! I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you remembered all the references!
To understand the ending better I would recommend you to listen to and pay close attention to the lyrics of the song in the end credits by Olivia Rodrigo ("Can't catch me now" I think). The song perfectly catches the situation of Lucy Gray's running and her influence of the rebellion during Katnis' times
This movie gets some understandable criticism, but I think that they did the best they could in adapting what was quite frankly a book not suited to be made into a screenplay. The story relies heavily on Snow's inner narration as his thought process is often more important than his actions themselves, especially since the two often contradict each other. I know that Snow seems like a misunderstood sad boi at the beginning of the movie, but I promise that he has always been a vile human being.
The moment Jessup reacted the way he did to Lucy cupping water for him I knew he had rabies. Rabies doesn’t make you AFRAID of water, it makes you hydrophobic. I can’t even imagine how torturous that must feel.
If ripper wasn’t such a pacifist he woulda killed the lot of them with ease, with mother flipping ease 💁♀️ he reminds me of thresh from the first hunger game
After watching this, reaction @Chuuzus you're definitely gonna love the book! All three acts are more fleshed out and you get even more insight and scenes with Sejanus (Snow's friend that he betrayed) who was my fave in the books and I wish they had given him more time and developed their friendship so that his death could have hit me as hard as it did in the books! As for Lucy Gray's ending, its meant to be ambiguous and we have no idea what happens to her which haunts both Snow and us as the readers/audience. That last scene with the two of them in the forest was SO well shot and even more well written in the original book - have so so much fun reading it :D
I am SO excited for this reaction!! I had to wait a week cos I wanted to watch the film in cinemas first but now I am ready for ALL your thoughts Chu let's gooo. And since you loved Catching Fire; you will love this one!! They brought back almost all the same crew and production design team so its really visually close to the book!
Chu saying 3hr long movies are too long and me growing up with Bollywood movies that long ahahah though I think you'd lovee watching a Bollywood film it would be the only time 3hours would fly by!
The way his friend went out eithout snitvhing on snow too.... he really did his freind dirty knowing that they woupd of had a chance to have a better life. But snow was so concered about his own sake
personally i think he killed her, he was paranoid and crazy and an unreliable narrator. but it's a mystery like in her own song when she says she flew away
actually in the book he had decided back when he was still in the cabin that he had to kill her, made sure the gus was loaded before going outside to "talk to her"
I felt similarly to you. I thought it was impossible for me to feel any sympathy for Snow. Not just because Snow is a bad person, but because I hate rich people who have problems that are entirely their own fault and make it everyone else's issue.
I've watched both this movie and Saltburn. With this movie, I love how the music is part of the story, which adds more emphasis on the song in the original hunger games. But right... PLEASE REACT TO SALTBURN NEXT. You don't have to but yeah... Love you!!
Rachel Zegler was a RUclipsr and has many great covers on here from before she landed Maria in West Side Story. All the singing was live! I recommend the book cuz he manipulative and a liar. In the book the Plinths adopt him as their son and their heir which is more effed up. Also Sejanus is dating Lucy Gray irl they met in West Side Story 😊
What a great reaction I watch this when you first dropped it earlier and then I binge-watched your Hunger Games reactions so that I could watch this one at the end again much love hun ❤
So glad you reacted to this. I just did not have the energy to watch the entire film in full so I seriously appreciate this and as an added bonus I get to enjoy it with one of my favorite commentators :-)
just watched this in theaters for the third time since its release and i still love it. i can stand snow but i somehow always end up rooting for his and Lucy Greys chance at love. The movie always leaves me feeling angsty casue ik they would never work out and snow doesnt deserve Lucy Grey anyway lol
You thirsting after Snow while trying to remond yourself that he's evil is such a mood. 🤣
Despite knowing that Snow and Lucy Gray's relationship won't fare well, you still get invested in them, and Tom and Rachel had wonderful chemistry.
Tom and Rachel were the perfect cast
“This is Katniss before Katniss was Katniss” 😂
You saying "do they want us to feel bad for a president's snow UH UH" 5 seconds before being like wait he look kinda good 😏 IM DEAD
lmao they had no business making snow that fine
Tom Blyth has NO BUSINESS looking that fine with bleached hair
Not telling Lucy to "go Lil Kim on them!" PLEASE 🤣💀
Suzanne Collins named Lucy Gray after a poem of the same name by William Wordsworth about a girl named Lucy Gray who goes missing in the snow :). The ending is supposed to be ambiguous, so we don’t know how far she got or how long she lived for. It’s up to interpretation! either way her legacy lived on and she had a great impact
Missing in the "Snow" eh? That's too poetic!
screaming "remember who the real enemy is" whenever you thirst over young snow 😂
The mystery in the book is that we don't know if Lucy Gray is alive or not. Which will haunt snow forever, and in the future, he sees Katniss, and she reminds him of Lucy. All of the hints of Katniss in the movie will bite back on Snow in the future 😂 Another thing is that people theorize that Lucy Gray could be Katnisses' grandmother or that Lucy's cousin is Katnisses grandmother. Either way, if they are related, Snow has beef with that family personally 😂😂
Yea the flushed out theory is that it’s not Lucy as Katniss’ father’s mother but Lucy’s little cousin, Maude Ivory. Theorizing Maude grew up to marry an Evergreen (they changed their last name to Everdeen over time). Which explains how Katniss knew so much about Covey tradition/ songs. Especially the Hanging Tree song.
@@TaewillsThat’s the popular theory because Maude Ivory stayed in 12 and looks like Prim being natural blonde. HOWEVER they’re mother is blonde but they’re daddy had brunette hair. Along with being known for his singing and the covey being of nomadic origins before the Districts were cut off from each other how else would Katniss’ Dad know how to make/use a bow & arrow and hunt so well in the woods? Because Lucy taught him. I theorize she fled up north as planned, got pregnant at some point (Everdeen on close inspection doesn’t sound too Panem), Panem expanded territory and borders over the years and already living in the woods from a cabin while living as a fugitive gave her son to her cousin to raise. Keeping an eye on them whenever possible before Snow made it impossible she would’ve been able to train her son and tell him the stories. It would also explain why her name is so on the nose in the connection between Snow & Lucy Gray under the tree of Mockingjays. As well as the last thing she said to him.
@@juvon102 Lucy Gray taught Mr Everdeen how to be skilled with a bow even having no such skills of her own? And ALL Covey members knew about the forest - any one of them could have taught Katniss’ dad those things. It doesn’t have to be Lucy.
And I haven’t heard one theory that included hair color lol bc it makes no difference. Why can’t Lucy just have escaped & lived the rest of her life away from the insanity? I don’t understand the need to make her be Katniss’ grandma
@@Taewills “I haven’t heard one theory” Well you just did. I haven’t heard any confirmation that either of them are related to Katniss as the story makes it purposefully ambiguous to the viewers for us to piece together the breadcrumbs embedded throughout the story. Why mention hair color? Genetics. The Covey moved from district to district before being forced to settle in 12 where we later get Katniss. The Covey couldn’t have learned hunting beforehand and would’ve been greatly tortured/killed trying to jump the fence when it was new, they were just about purely musical and would’ve under mighty tight watch by Snow. Mockingjays aren’t in 12 but right outside the gates governing them. I did say this was my theory which really I’d be damned to be told it makes as much sense as Maude Ivory who was a preteen that I doubt did the hunting when Lucy Gray fled also has no confirmation of ties to the Everdeens. Something else to note about genetics is more often than not, with the surrounding environment in mind, Will passes down just as much as DNA. Lucy Gray and Katniss Everdeen were born spicy one was just more of a fighter while the other a performer.
@@juvon102honestly, your theory is the most sound in terms of Lucy Gray being Katniss grandmother. Don’t know why the other person was so pressed. These are all just theory’s lol
Snow could have just minded his business, he had no reason to betray his friend who could have made it out or been caught on his own anyways. He's been evil and selfish all along and just been hiding it well because his family was broke. Tigris told him "you can be good" so that means that there were clues that he might be a psychopath possibly like his dad was. If he was capable of love you'd think he wouldn't mind being in district 12 and would try to run away with Lucy and join his friend. He looks passive, but he's always plotting.
yes, from the few reactions I"ve seen they preface their videos with "Lets find out how snow became evil" When really its more "Let's see how cunning and conniving snow has been from the very beginning and how when given so many chances to choose good he still doesn't"
@@thatoneperson8154 that’s what the movie was missing it’s really good but the inner monologue of coryo from the book can’t be shown in here so most people are definitely confused about the cabin scene
I agree! He just didn’t have the resources to truly unleash what he already was becoming into. It also didn’t help that he grew up in war and starvation which in itself can distort a child’s growth and mental capabilities. Snow was already cunning and ambitious, he was not evil - not yet - not till after he has felt a semblance of power. His last ties to humanity was his attempts at falsifying friendship with Sejanus, and his obsession with Lucy Gray. When he inadvertently had Sejanus hanged, he tells Lucy that he ‘killed his old self’. Which is true - he did. Second to the last thread of his humanity snapped the minute Sejanus was hanged. What finally detached and made Snow the man who he is today was his perceived ‘loss’ of Lucy Gray. He’s deranged, and a sociopath, so he did not love Lucy but he felt like he had every right to posses her, and he wanted to believe he can be what Lucy Gray saw in him (‘You and me, we are written in the stars. You are as pure as the driven snow.’). When he was given an opportunity to escape, he considered it, but he STILL wanted Lucy, just like the game players said. (‘It’s convenient the price and the girl are together, Corio.) Snow is not a trustworthy author, so of course he absolved himself of why Lucy left him. To him, he risked everything for her (and most especially HIS name and money), he ‘loved’ her, and she betrayed him!) so he was validated in being angry enough to want to get rid of her. When he has deluded himself of these notions, that’s when Corio truly died and became Snow.
A little of tangent here too, but I genuinely wished that Lucy stayed alive and played the long game with Snow’s downfall. It may not even have changed Snow’s behavior, but I think it would have been curbed to a significant degree seeing as most of the depraved acts he had done to the districts - and then Katniss - all mirrored the Snow who fell into anger, paranoia, and contempt after Lucy Gray. (This is not her fault, she escaped a deranged man, and he’s going off on his own tangent that he was the victim here). Also, I genuinely think that Lucy would not have left if Corio admitted he inadvertently got Sejanus killed. It just didn’t make sense why she’d isolate herself from everybody - with a potential murderer - just to ‘run away’ from him. It’s too risky. There’s a scene that I find was super overlooked, and it’s when Lucy tells him trust is everything to her. She can take everything but a broken trust is not one of them. There’s a reason why she kept drilling him about it. If Corio did not lie, I think Lucy would have stayed, and the rebellion would have been supported by Lucy too in the end.
Sejanus is dumb as fuck, he could actually make a difference with influence and money, but he wanted to play the stupid rebel. His death is his own fault, if he followed Snow advices in the arena, he could have changed the whole future by becoming a benevolent and wise leader... But he choose to be dumb.
Snow: “my mother she used to smell like roses 🥀 “
Chuu: “ girl we don’t care about your mother🙄” haha😂😂😂😂😂
not only was rachel zegler, the girl who plays lucy gray, singing, she sang live for EVERY take in the film.
That’s not how film works.
@@Hey_Jamie thats how this film worked jamie 👍🏾
@@Hey_Jamie you could just look it up… google is free.
@@user-re3rb9cl7f They did the same thing in Les Misérables too 👏
@@Hey_Jamie it worked in this one 😂
Yes, that really is her singing. You can check out the West Side Story remake to catch her singing more. She's incredible.
One of my favorite movies!
i think i know what i will react to next
@@Chuuzus Unless you've seen the original already, watch both. Love to get your opinion over the changes the 2021 makes. But mostly so that you can truly appreciate Rita Moreno (Anita in the 1961 movie, Valentina in the 2021 movie), 60 years difference and still commands the screen). The original play and movie of West Side Story broke down a lot of barriers in the 50s and 60s (gang violence, racism (granted had been criticised in musicals before but not this level), social status (the west side back then were the slums of New York), assault and death). Because of that all sorts of other shows could be put on, darker ones than what was associated with musicals before. And because of that the new productions and the new movie can take things even further.
@@Chuuzus YAYYYYY
I love how you saw Tom as Snow and immediately folded. Like Same. They say remember who the real enemy is and I’m TRYING MY BEST.
Someone said Katniss was a hunter forced to perform. Lucy Gray was a performer forced to hunt.
❗️❗️🔥this take
i saw this in theaters w my friends and we were acting a FOOL 😭😭
The third act was rushed a bit I agree but I still really liked it. No one knows what happened to Lucy and they erased this hunger games from the archives. Loved your reaction to this. and young snow could get it lol 🤣😍
rewatching it and i really do like the third act. overall it was such a good movie
tom blyth is making it really hard for me to remember who the real enemy is😭😭
facts like he's so good at being bad
Her Corsette has the flowers, Katniss and Primrose.
your reaction to snow lmao YESSS literally the whole fandoms reaction 😭😭 tom blyth is so fine
I love that they're just making a one off film of this prequel, and not unnecessarily dragging it out into two movies.
I understand not wanting to needlessly stretch something for profit, but having read the book, it definitely should have been extended into 2 movies.
It was very well executed, but there was so much poetry in the details that would have been phenomenal to see with the same level of care. This is one instance where it could have gone longer for the sake of the art.
this is an exemption because this needed to be a two-parter 😭
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I understand that some people might like the conciseness of a singular movie, but they would’ve been able to cut way less from the series if it was two parts
@@michaelvincentgalante1097YESSS exactly
@@michaelvincentgalante1097I think I should read the book because to me it felt as rushed and confusing as mockingjay pt 2
I had to remind myself to "Remember what he did to Finnick" every time Snow appeared. He is so FINE!!!!!!!!
the way I was in the movie theater simping all over tom blyth then realizing: 1- my bf was beside me the WHOLE time and 2- tom is literally playing THEE evil minded coriolanus snow.
theres many theories to what happened to Lucy Gray: 1) she ran away to district 13 2) she left panem 3) snow killed her, although were not supposed to know what happens to lucy gray, like what snow said "its the thingss we love most that destroys us", the mystery of where lucy gray is haunts snow forever.
That is why when katniss was getting help he always knew and was one step ahead because he once helped someone(Lucy) in the arena
Tom Blyth being Snow has done irreversible damage to my brain
I’m sat and ready 🪑
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In the book, there are strong hints that Katniss has links to Lucy and/or her relatives on her paternal side. Her dad is the one that taught her The Hanging Tree (which was a Lucy Gray original and was only ever performed once in public). He also showed her where that cabin and lake was (which is something only people in Lucy’s clan knew about), and I’m pretty sure he’s the one that named her Katniss (something they dug up and ate). The theory is that someone in that clan was maybe Katniss’s paternal grandmother…
No matter what happened to Lucy (and I personally think she survived), I love the idea of Snow having to keep one eye over his shoulder for the rest of his life. She was the one loose end he never tied up that could destroy him…so, another District 12 girl coming in all those years later and being his ultimate undoing, was Lucy’s final word. 😏
I love how poetic this is. I also agree that Katniss is related to Lucy from her Dad's side.
Lucy Gray and Maude Ivory are blood cousins and there's hints that Maude Ivory will eventually become Katniss's grandmother (Maude Ivory can sing beautifully, just like Katniss and her father, and Maude Ivory can learn a song after hearing it just once, like Katniss.) So if the theory is true then technically Lucy Gray and Katniss are related.
I couldn’t believe when you said Dill was coughing cuz she had Covid. 😂😂😂😂
The book definitely gives more insight on Snow’s thinking. I wish the film gave more detail on that cause Snow is literally the worst!!!
no but now that i’m thinking abt it lucy gray is really a performer like. she played the capitol audience and she played snow, she came out of the games, barely traumatized w a fat fortune and literally ditched him 😂😂😂😂she’s kind of mother fr. snow wanted to make the hunger games into peak reality tv and he found himself his first perfect actress to catapult him into stardom
I love this movie so much, honestly one of the best movie experiences this year because I get the chance to see this in IMAX, the score and dialogue gave me chills during so many parts 😭
When i tell you how stunned i was when the arena exploded, it really was an experience.
The part where Reaper flinched scared me so bad in the cinema 😭😭😭😭
same!!! especially bc it wasnt in the book@@teresa18870
I really like how they made Snow handsome but not sympathetic. You can still empathize with him when he's trying to do good things, especially when it's not clear whether he does it for himself or for Lucy (and whether he does it FOR Lucy or to GET Lucy), but it's not trying to do the classic "see? evil tyrants also have problems 😔" that prequels, specifically "villain origins" so often do.
No cuz snow with the buzzcut....lemme just say he had me in a choke hold
the video quality is GIVING omg
I just had surgery today and my stomach hurts badly. You never fail to put a smile on my face. Love your channel chu and keep up the good work.❤
So much was left from the book but this movie ATTEEEEE DOWN the fact that we get to see Snow be HAUNTED by these women ugh I love to see either. Can't wait to see your reaction 🩵🩵🩵🩵
Now why did they have make Snow so fine. That vest and blouse🫠🫠🫠. Viola Davis slayed as the villain. It’s giving Mad Hatter mixed with Jigsaw. I almost cried for Dill, honestly she would’ve died more gruesomely if she didn’t drink the water.
The thing about Snow is he wasnt fully evil when we first see him in the film. He definitely was completely self-serving. There was no decision he made that didnt have benefit to him and his ambitions, including being friends with Sejanus and helping Lucy Gray. He had potential for good but kept finding reward, profit and/or power in being evil.
Also, the way the movie ends is pretty much how the book ends. Because he got bitten by the snake, Snow is delirious and cant be fully sure if he did shoot Lucy Gray or not. There is no trace of her. It is supposed to mimic the song she is named after, where a girl disappears without a trace. Because no one, including the mayor, claims to have found her body there really are just a few outcomes:
1. She did die but maybe somewhere near or in the lake, which is why they cannot locate her body. Or unfortunately some kind of animal consumed her (i think this is the least likely)
2. The mayor did find her, dead or alive and has hidden her whereabouts because he definitely would have gotten rid of her.
3. She escaped. I like to think she made it out in the woods or all the way to District 13. She was originally a nomad anyway. If somebody could survive out there, it would be her
Yes!!! Snow found it more rewarding and profitable to be evil! Being kind didn't serve his ambitions because he had the desire to dominate and control others, it was more rewarding to be manipulative and the world/culture he lived in rewarded this behavior.
34:14-34:18 LITERALLY ME EVERYTIME I SEE HIM😂😂🥴
4:48 all of us 😂!! I promise like hold up 😅
This was one of my faves of the year and your reaction didn’t disappoint 😂❤ I loved this video and you just keep killing it with your reactions.
Your reaction IS EXACTLY what I need to see That's exactly how I felt reading the hanging tree for the first time like AHHHHHHH
no because movie Snow is so easy to like in his academic weapon era. he was so quick thinking when it came to helping Lucy in the arena, its hard not to root for him, but the novel does a good job of showing how selfish he was internally
Fun fact: Rachel Ziegler (Lucy) and Josh Andres Rivera (Plinth) are actually dating in real life and star together in West Side Story(2021) which you should definitely check out.
The book goes a little more in-depth, but basically, the idea is we’re not supposed to know what happened to Lucy Gray. It’s supposed to be a mystery. Also in the book, we don’t actually know if she figured out what Snow did, or if he was just being paranoid and freaked out all on his own. In the book, maybe she didn’t answer him because she was off behind a bush going to the bathroom, and didn’t figure out anything until she saw him yelling her name with a gun. 🤷 But the movie didn’t let that part be a mystery.
But something fun about the book; it’s heavily implied that Maud Ivory (the little blonde singer, her cousin) is Katniss’ grandmother. There’s also a theory that Lucy Gray made it to District 13, and that she’s President Coin’s mother.
When the redhead with baby bangs died in the games I actually got really sad cause like you I hated her but as she dies she says "I can't have killed them all for nothing" because she didn't want to kill anyone but like everyone else was forced to, to survive. Its really sad and reminded me that the tributes aren't the enemy even the most violent ones. The only reason she hurt anyone was because the capitol decided children should pay for their parents crimes.
knowing that he ends up benefitting from the Plinth family in the book is so depressing. the end of that novel was devastating in three sentences. and the fact that the 10th hunger games is erased from history is so heartbreaking, Lucy Gray was a mystery.
I liked that part three was rushed because its almost the way snow was feeling inside. Confused, paranoid and almost rushing himself to a solution. We are seeing it from his point of view so i get why we are left with unanswered questions about lucy gray because he himself doesn’t know.
Not only is she the one singing, it’s completely live too, she didn’t want to lip sync
I loved your reaction as always🤭. You know the actors are good when you wish they were together in real life. This was the first Hunger Games movie I saw in theatres and I loved it. An instant 10/10. Every hate review or comment is so irrelevant.
I watched this last night! This movie was good, Viola Davis ATE omg!!! Love that you dropped this video today❤❤
Sometimes we need 2+ hr movies to explain everything, we end up loving the movie.
Your reaction to snows buzz cut really got me HOOOOOO
“this is katniss before katniss was katniss” KKKKKKKK
I love that you figured out it was about Snow so soon. My mom only found out because we (my dad and I) told her, AFTER the movie
"NO THURSTING AFTER SNOW REMEMBER WHAT HE DID TO FINNICK" that was me the entire time I was watching this movie. They had no right to cast him looking like this T_T
Snow has every opportunity to be GOOD. His father and Dr. Gaul are feeding his bad side (his father is already dead) but he has Tigris and Sejanus yet he chose to be BAD. There are people around him who are good and he still became bad, that tells you a lot about his character.
Idk why people think that it was Lucy Gray's fault that he became the Snow that we know from the previous movies but he always had it in him. He have doubts on Lucy Gray even from the very beginning and Lucy Gray trusted him until he mentioned that he killed 3 people and lied. Even if he never met Lucy Gray, he'll always be evil. He craves for that power and wealth.
Also, the theory that I have in mind about what happened to Lucy Gray is that she lives in the north away from the districts. It doesn't really make sense that she left the districts to live in district 13. She wants a peaceful life away from the hunger games and district 13 is really not a peaceful district since they're constantly fighting the capitol.
I think both are true and not mutually exclusive. The film gives plenty of evidence that Snow is messed up. Nobody asks him to snitch on his friend, for instance. And yet, we'll never know *to what extent* he would have gone bad had Lucy Gray stayed. He could have stopped there, and maintained more or less the same level of crazy. I'm siding with her btw, I would have gtfo faster than Lucy Gray. But I think that it did really turn a restrained psychopath into a full-blown totalitarian mass murderer. Just think of the two main quotes from the movie: 'trust is more important than love', and 'it's the things we hold dear that destroy us.'
@gianellab.4953 I also agree with this take. Snow was already bad. there was no way around it. However, he had the potential to be good and ignored it just like the the previous comment said. But I do think the level of badness would be restrained had he stayed with Lucy Gray. However Snow did make the conscious choice to be a villain and take villanous routes. He didn't have to be bad or evil and he had negative traits that could be enforced by his environment, but had he made different choices and listened to the good people in his life it could have been different.
it’s illegal casting tom blyth because everyone’s fall in love with him😂
THE WAY U REACTED TO HIS HAIRCUTTT KILLED MEEE
I was so excited to see that you reacted to this, I needed your reaction so badly because I just knewwwwww you were gonna be thirsting and then also being like NAHHH but it's Snowwwwww 😂😂 you made me laugh so much with this reaction! I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you remembered all the references!
To understand the ending better I would recommend you to listen to and pay close attention to the lyrics of the song in the end credits by Olivia Rodrigo ("Can't catch me now" I think). The song perfectly catches the situation of Lucy Gray's running and her influence of the rebellion during Katnis' times
Oh I’m so ready for this!!!!!!
Not the “she has covid” 😂
I am so happy u finally uploaded
The woman that plays Lucy is casted as Snow White and did an interview with Halle (as their both Disney princesses) and I think you would love it
I feel you on Snow lol the actor is fine af. He looks even better with his dark hair
if you liked rachel zegler as lucy gray i recommend west side story (2021), it was her first role and she's so good in it, she's a star
I couldn’t WAIT for you to react to this movie 😂
This movie gets some understandable criticism, but I think that they did the best they could in adapting what was quite frankly a book not suited to be made into a screenplay. The story relies heavily on Snow's inner narration as his thought process is often more important than his actions themselves, especially since the two often contradict each other. I know that Snow seems like a misunderstood sad boi at the beginning of the movie, but I promise that he has always been a vile human being.
If you like Tom you should see him in Billy The Kid. He’s really good and hours of his handsome face ☺️
well when you know a book or a movie has a long title, you know the movie gotta be good in exchange!
No one tell him that waaay back then 3hr movies were the norm 😂
The moment Jessup reacted the way he did to Lucy cupping water for him I knew he had rabies. Rabies doesn’t make you AFRAID of water, it makes you hydrophobic. I can’t even imagine how torturous that must feel.
If ripper wasn’t such a pacifist he woulda killed the lot of them with ease, with mother flipping ease 💁♀️ he reminds me of thresh from the first hunger game
If they didn’t want us to have a crush on young Snow, they shouldn’t have casted Tom Blyth to play him 😍
they could've casted an ugly person to play young snow
I was so excited for this Movie because district 12 was filmed in my hometown "Duisburg" it's in Germany.
After watching this, reaction @Chuuzus you're definitely gonna love the book! All three acts are more fleshed out and you get even more insight and scenes with Sejanus (Snow's friend that he betrayed) who was my fave in the books and I wish they had given him more time and developed their friendship so that his death could have hit me as hard as it did in the books! As for Lucy Gray's ending, its meant to be ambiguous and we have no idea what happens to her which haunts both Snow and us as the readers/audience. That last scene with the two of them in the forest was SO well shot and even more well written in the original book - have so so much fun reading it :D
Lucy’s cousin is the grandmother of Katniss
damn i was secretly hoping you would choose Saltburn cause it was 2nd place🤭 either way I'm sat!
I’m hoping it’s in the roster anyways 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Haha my Saltburn loving heart was hoping you would pull a fast one on us again. Hope you'll still do that one!
I am SO excited for this reaction!! I had to wait a week cos I wanted to watch the film in cinemas first but now I am ready for ALL your thoughts Chu let's gooo. And since you loved Catching Fire; you will love this one!! They brought back almost all the same crew and production design team so its really visually close to the book!
Chu saying 3hr long movies are too long and me growing up with Bollywood movies that long ahahah though I think you'd lovee watching a Bollywood film it would be the only time 3hours would fly by!
The way his friend went out eithout snitvhing on snow too.... he really did his freind dirty knowing that they woupd of had a chance to have a better life. But snow was so concered about his own sake
He actually stuck to the poll results. 😯lmao
Love seeing the birth of a new Rachel Zegler warrior ✨
IK I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE SIMPING OVER YOUNG SNOW 🥵🥵🥵😂😂 TOM BLYTH IS SOOOOO FOINE😍😍😍
"JUST LEAVE HIM THERE!"
"Snow, just do something good."
Yeah, we want that alternate universe.
personally i think he killed her, he was paranoid and crazy and an unreliable narrator. but it's a mystery like in her own song when she says she flew away
actually in the book he had decided back when he was still in the cabin that he had to kill her, made sure the gus was loaded before going outside to "talk to her"
We aren't supposed to know what happened to Lucy Gray. It was left up to us to decide what happened to her in the movie and in the book.
I’m couldn’t wait for u yo react to this 😭 after reading the book and watching the movie 10x im still obsessed with every reaction ❤❤❤
This movie was such an unexpected surprise. It was long with the third act but altogether I loved it.
I felt similarly to you. I thought it was impossible for me to feel any sympathy for Snow. Not just because Snow is a bad person, but because I hate rich people who have problems that are entirely their own fault and make it everyone else's issue.
I love the kids from District 11 EVERY TIME
In the middle of moving and unpacking, thanks for this chuu ❤❤❤
You simping over snow is so real girlll
I've watched both this movie and Saltburn. With this movie, I love how the music is part of the story, which adds more emphasis on the song in the original hunger games. But right... PLEASE REACT TO SALTBURN NEXT. You don't have to but yeah... Love you!!
Rachel Zegler was a RUclipsr and has many great covers on here from before she landed Maria in West Side Story. All the singing was live! I recommend the book cuz he manipulative and a liar. In the book the Plinths adopt him as their son and their heir which is more effed up. Also Sejanus is dating Lucy Gray irl they met in West Side Story 😊
What a great reaction I watch this when you first dropped it earlier and then I binge-watched your Hunger Games reactions so that I could watch this one at the end again much love hun ❤
So glad you reacted to this. I just did not have the energy to watch the entire film in full so I seriously appreciate this and as an added bonus I get to enjoy it with one of my favorite commentators :-)
just watched this in theaters for the third time since its release and i still love it. i can stand snow but i somehow always end up rooting for his and Lucy Greys chance at love. The movie always leaves me feeling angsty casue ik they would never work out and snow doesnt deserve Lucy Grey anyway lol