American Terror: The Military’s Problem With Extremism in the Ranks
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2022
- After the events of January 6, it became clear many of the key players in extremist groups who organized the attacks were either veterans or active-duty servicemen. Since then, the Pentagon has scrambled to try and address the present-day problem of extremism in the ranks, which stretches back to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan after the Civil War. But a politically divided Congress and a polarized nation, are getting in the way of finding a solution.
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As an asian that served in the US army, I did face some racism/bullying from certain peers and superiors. It was rather uncommon, but you always had the usual d-bags once in a while. Glad to say that there were a lot more good guys that had my back.
They should go to Asia and try that attitude. They will be culled in a matter of minutes
Yeah. It’s something you don’t see very often in reporting. A lot of these reports often broad-brush all veterans as bad people. It’s nice.
My husband is current army, and we agree that on the fort is where the peace and multiculturalism is at. Just outside of it, there are a lot of racist veterans and locals that don’t like people of other nationalities coming to town and bringing their businesses into these desolate places. It’s odd, because those are shops and restaurants that keep those towns afloat.
@@JackieOwl94 it tends to be the older people, huh?
I can tell you weren't in the navy. You wouldn't have been hastled about anything race related if you had been. Sorry you had some turds in your outfit brother.
Most keep their beliefs quiet until they get out and don't have anyone to hate anymore. They get bored and only know how to be aggressive. What do you expect.
The military is a completely different culture than the civilian world. You dont feel like you fit in, and have to another hard reset on who you were, just like in basic combat training, but this time in reverse all by yourself. The military is black and white, while the civilian world is endless shades of grey. Some don't adjust well once they get out. They retreat back to the familiar, and latch onto it with both hands because it's the only way to make sense of an endlessly grey world. I'm not saying putting on the horns and trying to kidnap the governor is a good idea, far from it. But this is where a lot of those guys are coming from. They are having trouble assimilating into the mainstream. So they turn to fringe groups. This doesn't excuse bad behavior. Evil is still evil. But if we can help someone before they become lost, then we can mitigate things.
basic was the easiest thing ive done in my life.... calm down rambo.
@@humpteedumptee8629 lmfaoo 💀
@@humpteedumptee8629
True
@@humpteedumptee8629 At no point did he say anything about basic being hard. Might wanna get those TBIs checked out, boot boy.
As a vet i like dogs.
Belgian Malenois is a great breed.
As a vet, I agree. My husband is service training our Bernese, and she is so wonderful. Such great family friends.
As a vet tech, yall actually tend to have the well behaved ones. Cop families on the other hand…
@@korygurman6638 When I was growing up, my family has pretty much always had dogs. My dad was federal law enforcement. Me, I am an Iraq War veteran. I learned very quickly that the way he “taught” our family dogs was absolutely wrong. I refused to ever put my hands on my dog. He turned out to be the tamest, well-behaved Belgian Malenois you’ll ever meet. Had him almost ten years now and he has been great for me and my baggage.
I served 28 years in the Army, there were members from every gang that you could ever imagine. All races! Right and Left!
Genuine curiosity, how many actual anarchists or communists were in the military with you openly? I figured that would be pretty rare.
@@sarahjeannexdpretty rare they like soft targets that don't fight back
"Then after all this, we have the Vietnam War"
I always feel bad for Korean War vets. It's like no one remember that war happened
@@yunis1175 You mean No Gun Ri?
I mean WWI, WWII, and Vietnam also had incidence so it's not unique.
@@mbogucki1 Korea had the highest civilian casualty rate of any US war, and it never really ended - just got less hot.
It's called "The Forgotten War" for many excellent reasons. While it's seldom taught in school,,, the overwhelming tragedy is that it was a massive boondoggle of the most significant proportion ever. To mention ONE overlook committed by our government was how ill equipt the men and women were for the brutal winter in Korea. Frostbite was expected, and many died from the extreme cold without proper boots and clothing. The war hawks and military planners failed those men in so many different ways it was so shameful they swept it under the rug in hopes it would be forgotten. It's all part of the propaganda.
Years later, we were all witnesses to Nixon's secret tapes, and Henry Kissinger was heard saying, "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used pawns in foreign policy." And yes, Kissinger said that out loud. That sick evil bastard is still alive and is still breathing ... The "High Cabal," as the Secret Team within the CIA liked to call them.
Oh trust me, the older you get, the more you remember what happened.
The Korean war doesn't get writers panties as wet because technically, it's still a victory. The mission is still successful to this day.
The fact that South Korea still exists as a free country is pretty solid evidence of that.
But Vietnam gets clicks, and sells books and scripts. It's an easy outrage machine when you bring it up. So they do.
I was born and raised in mobile Alabama. I never knew anyone in the kkk. It was never a topic in conversations. It was practically non-existent. After coming home from my time in the service. The first day home, I went to check my mailbox and had a large minella envelope with a package from my local kkk. They wanted to welcome me home and invited me to a meeting. How did they know that I returned home? My blood ran cold!
It's a gov. Made up rare if existent boogieman
@@charliedehussle2640 huh?
How much does vice pay?
@@brutewarrior vice? I'm not sure what you are asking.
I call bullshit
Just a reminder that "racists sometimes use patriotism to get attract recruits" does not equal "patriotism is racist".
If you want to prevent veterans from becoming racist, you can start by thanking them for their service and letting them know that you have their back, just like they had yours when they were in the line of fire overseas. If individuals and nations don't look out for their own, people will leave them and join groups that do (or at least, groups who make promises to do so), and unfortunately, some of those groups can be pretty f'd in the head. Just because something is terrible does not mean it isn't also predictable and entirely preventable.
As the great Yoda once said "Fear is the path to the dark side … fear leads to anger … anger leads to hate … hate leads to suffering"
Also I think another reason why extremism seems to be more prevalent in veterans coming out of the military is simply because they're looking for that same type of structure and brotherhood that you get in the military. It's REALLY hard to find that in civilian life just in general. So, they tend to latch onto it wherever they can find it.
The irony about this is that the dolts that found these organizations were kicked out or terminal junior enlisted that did only one contract.
Don't they prepare the soldiers for life outside the military? Or do they expect you stay in as long as possible and they'll get to you later?
If that is so then why isn't there an analogous movement with African-American veterans?
@@newhorizonsforfifty2833 they expect soldiers to die and not have to return, of course they don’t prepare them for civilian life afterwards
They are a resource to be used until no longer useful and that’s all
@@newhorizonsforfifty2833 They don’t train you how to transition out of the U.S. Military. You just get told you’re discharged and that’s it.
I remember when the stand down took place. We got called back to our unit to A make sure we weren’t in DC and B make sure the stand down pushed knowledge on policies and SOPs
( stationed in NC from 2018-2021 )
By the looks of your profile picture, it doesn’t look like you learned much from it
What do you mean "called back to our units"? Where were you? Were you a Reservist?
My country used to have mandatory military service. As soon as that stopped, issues with extremism in the ranks skyrocketed.
One of the reasons is, that now most people who join are a) extremely patriotic and b) think they're ready to use deadly force. From there the way to violent extremism is just... Shorter. Another reason is, that the more culturally diverse group of people in the military worked as an early allert system. Extremist activities were reported much quicker, when there where people of more varied political, social and ethnic backgrounds.
I spent 30 years in the US Army from draftee to Colonel. When I came out, I had a real hard time adjusting to civilian life. I am now 73 live in the country on a farm and keep to myself. That is how I adjusted, I limit my contact with others.
Great Billy badass
Welcome home, sir.
How does a draftee become a Colonel?
@@djquinn11 Well, after 2 years as an enlisted man/NCO, I took the tests to qualify for Officer Candidate School and I was selected. I went to basic airborne school while I waited for a class date. I attended in 1969-70, 6 months of hell and learning. Graduation rate was 40%, with most getting orders to Vietnam. Along the way you complete your undergraduate degree and master degree. Between deployments over seas, you complete officer advance course, Command and General Staff College, War College, and if selected foreign career schools. You also attend other schools to enhance your resume. All the while getting selected for promotion, having a marriage, raising 2 children and putting the wife through college. Easy, it was a great journey.
@@ralphgreenjr.2466 : Thank you for your service Colonel Green.
I served as an infantryman in the US Army. That guy who served 2 months is totally full of it. After a month, you are basically still doing BRM, Basic Rifle Marksmanship. Maybe you have done some obstacle courses, communication training, and some basic movement training. He would not be proficient in almost anything yet. Chaptering or kicking him out probably took a couple of weeks, so that's it. After about 15 weeks, you graduate OSUT, one station unit training, you really only know the basic information you need to function as a soldier. From there, your first unit will actually spend time training you in what you need to know. If you have good NCO's, training never stops throughout your career. Eventually, you are the NCO responsible for training the next generation. In my time, I definitely had some dirtbags to deal with. You chapter them out of the military and move on to the next Joe.
@bastiat If you bothered to watch the video, one of the veteran militia members bragged about his 2 months of Army Infantry training. I was an infantryman, so no, it's not a hot take. The fact is when you arrive at Fort Benning, you go through reception, which takes about a week. Kicking him out or chaptering takes a couple of weeks. So, in his 2 months' time in the Army, nearly half that time was spent on paperwork and waiting. He would not have been very far in his training cycle at all. As for your comments on the ASVAB. Infantry actually has one of the highest average ASVAB scores in the Army. Plain and simple, you need to be smart to lead men in combat. If you are not, you will get someone hurt or killed. If you want to make dumb ASVAB jokes, you should direct your fire at parachute riggers. That's right, the people who pack your parachute have the lowest ASVAB entry requirements. Finally, about the Marines. They are a fine branch of our armed forces. The fact is that only the Army and Navy actually guarantee your job in writing. The Air Force, you fill out a wish list and hope to get the job you want. The Marines are at the needs of the Marine Corps. I wanted to be an infantryman, and only the Army would put it in writing. That's how I made my choice.
@@Minot11b cool
@_Red_Panda_ If you fail out Special Forces or Seals, your contract states you will serve at the needs of the Army for 18x SF or the needs of the Navy for Seals. Plain and simple, if you fail to live up to your contract, they can change it as necessary.
@@_Meng_Lan He joined the Navy “ undesignated”. Which means he is a deckhand and will go through his first couple of years observing other jobs that he could go to school(for a designated job) as an enlisted “job designated” member of the Navy. Any one in the Navy can become a Navy Seal… even a cook. He probably signed up for the Seals program in boot camp to go to B.U.D.S. And he failed out. It’s not uncommon for anyone to fail B.U.D.S. The strongest man you can think of “could” fail B.U.D.S.
@@Minot11b When I was in BCT the guys that got the boot for whatever reason, medical, failure to adapt etc. We're still there waiting to leave when we graduated. I don't know what the hold up was.
Former military are being targeted because of their mindset - former military usually will not question those in authority especially junior troops. These former military are generally discharged from the military with a less than honorable discharge and are being targeted & used because they have nowhere to go. It is sickening to know that my fellow former military members are further ruining their lives. 😢💔😢
The VAST majority of troops leave with honorable or General discharges. I don't know where you got that info at. You really have to mess up to not get get an honorable.
Finally someone realized this thank you so much 🙏🏼
@@kodycross9144not tru at all. I got a general for not telling where a solider was because I had a racist commander that was just kicking all the black people out that made minor mistakes. He ended up getting investigated but nothing came of it. I also reported him as well and that’s when I got kicked out a week later so stop trying to speak from other people experiences by saying it’s hard to not get a honorable when you can literally get in trouble for anything in the military. You don’t have basic rights broski. Let that sink in
I'm sorry you don't get kicked out for one mistake there has to be a documented paper trail of multiple transgretions. My last year in the Army prior to retirement all i did was supervise chapters. I'm extremely familiar with the process. Unless this happened prior to the early 2000s you didn't get kicked out a week later. It literally takes months to chapter a soldier out of the army and that's IF all the counselings and packet is in order. If not it can take up to a year.
it sure sounds like ur sympathising with these terrorists
As a prior service Coastie, and son of a retired Coastie, I have to chuckle at the Coastie at the beginning of this video, acting like he’s some sort of trained warrior.
No disrespect to the Coast Guard, but he was a bit to Huah for me 😂I am an Air Force Security Forces veteran, two times deployed and I don’t speak like that. I love my country and would do it all over again, but I’m not half as motivated as that guy.
I think the lack of support soldiers get AFTER their service is one significant factor why they turn to extremism. With a military budget this big, the government needs to provide a lot more for the veterans
Or maybe they didnt get "enough kills" while they were in. How many of these assholes saw action? Probably not alot. And thats why they signed up... to kill. So the failed. And choose to threaten their own country? Really Good Look.
ABSOLUTELY
Where's the money in that? US National Power got what they wanted from them already - you're talking about throwing money away. They're more valuable as extremists, anyway. That way they justify larger budgets for domestic surveillance and law enforcement. Cha-ching!
... not that these are _my_ values, mind you, but then, I'm not a good American.
They had a cause that they would fight and die for and then it came to an end. They need another cause, but a helpful one, no aggression involved. That aggression needs to find a healthy, helpful outlet. I don’t know what that be. Our WW2 Canadian able vets were put to work helping other vets. They were given office jobs and field work for various aspects of other vets lives. It worked pretty well.
The aggression has to stop.
Your oath ends when you are discharged .
Ok let me put this out there, as a 30-year military retiree, who represent the attitudes and opinions 99% of our population, the military Vets portrayed in this video are 'our' extremists too!
Please do not walk away from this video thinking our great countries Vets are a bunch of neo-Nazi or worse potential neo-Nazi's. I have met a few military folks who reflect the Vets in this video, many had these attitudes and opinions before they joined the service, they are a minority of the military population. Every NCO and Petty Officer I had the privilege of serving with, would not tolerate this behavior in their formations.
@Neil Collins thanks for your prior service. I don't believe most would walk away from watching this believing that vets are White supremacists. Rather this is meant to show that this is an issue, a cancer that the people and the government are aware of but that there is little being done. As I'm sure you know the military is often reactive rather than proactive.
We are waiting for tragedy to potentially start the process of maybe doing something about it.
Currently it seems the military rather have less than stellar individuals in exchange for high recruitment numbers.
@@SaintAnix. thank you for your thoughtful reply Fernando, I hope that non-Vets don't walk away with the military service- supremacists association. What I really want to avoid is what we experienced in the 80's and 90's, where military careers were considered the bottom of the barrel, as far as who's attracted to the career of arms, by the American population. When we slide down that rabbit hole the American population looks at the military with suspicion and in some cases outright contempt. I saw this with the post Vietnam guys and later after all the flag waving died down from the 1st Gulf War.
@@Ncollins99 But I'm going to put it to you like this though. If they have white supremacist members in the military. They also have African American gang members and Hispanic gang members in the military.
@@Ncollins99 Thank you for your service
@@Ncollins99 what were you doing in Iraq and Afghanistan then? Ya'll killed over a million people and we supposed to brush that under the rug? We saw how your army treated the captured prisoners and all those military secrets from wikileaks and we supposed to believe there aren't racist in your military'? Get a grip buddy!!!
I spent 24 years in the USAF and I never saw this type of stuff ( I retired in 2016) I think the more radical stuff forms AFTER their time in the service. Frustration with civilian life, a lack of preparation to getting out, combined with a skill set that doesn't lend itself to much after the military.
I can understand why the Air Force wouldn't draw that many extremists. I assume many are looking to learn combat tactics and weapon training.
I do not buy it at all.
Remember the Fiasco surrounding the Kidnapping Attempt of Bachmann?
A bunch of FBI agents escalating and instigating a farce.
Take a good look at Patriot Front. Worst acting I have ever seen.
@@jbiehl8478 To be fair and i am not throwing shade here but the marines and the army have lower standards than the air force. It just facts. The army has so many more people that real supervision is almost impossible.
Yep, served 12 years Army Reserves....Never seen these extremists while I served.
I don't know why but Air Force is immune to this. Maybe because it takes a LOT more skill. I have never served any army and am a pacifist (other than punching/boxing /mma) and I came here from Pakistan where we did have issues with extremists in the military. Same as in the US, those guys tend to be army. From what I have heard about the PAF, the bar to entry is far higher and extremists are too stupid to pass.
“Military style communications”
“Hold your ground”
Lmao
22:02 did he really just say that a 223 round will travel several miles 😂😂😂😂😂
How far do they really travel?
Yards in most cases. Not miles.
Daddy
3600 meters is the max firing range…less than a mile. Maximum effective range is 500 to 600 meters.
@@publicuser2534 thats over 2 miles tho
Send a bunch of kids to fight a frivolous, illegal war and wonder why they come home fcked up. Shameful.
We all didnt go down a conspiratorial rabbit hole. Some of us are sane individuals with moral injuries. You call us fvcked up, but I beg to differ.
All becuase of both a theory that was bad, and because of france throwing a tantrum
which frivolous illegal war are we talking about?
vice needs to do an entire episode on fort hood. the killings, disappearances, the cartel involvement, all of it.
No vice is a load of lefty woke amateur commie Marxist hogwash we don't need any more videos by these fake clowns
This would be real news. That’s how you know they won’t do it 😉
Never happen... @Vicenews
fort hood, wheres that?
And Camp Lejeune, it had an entire Atomwaffen cell, look it up.
It’s funny that the literal founder of vice started one of these groups
That girl cameo at the end during that guy interview was fire
the way we treat our veterans probably plays a huge factor into this. The significant underfunding of resources, specifically mental health resources is horrific. As someone with PTSD, it is such an isolating disease, and they need a support system that lets them heal and gives them the love they need and deserve. I can’t even imagine having combat trauma. we can’t treat the people who fought for us this way any longer.
Clarifying this because people are now saying this is me excusing domestic terrorism and racism; GIVING PEOPLE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES COULD PREVENT THEM FROM TURNING TO VIOLENCE AND EXTREMISM. I absolutely despise these peoples actions, but at the same time I think they deserve access to the mental health resources they desperately need. I also think about the countless homeless veterans or veterans struggling with addiction who have no access to a support system.
America has never stopped having mass shootings, remember Extermination of First Nations Started under George Washington And his Father 40years before 1776 they called Washington 'Village Destroyer."
Americans are Taught to Murder by Land Owner's Sovereignty which in Federal Law makes Landowners are equal to the Sovereign, like King James. As a matter of fact Americans are like "Monkey See, Monkey Do" or Everybody else is killing their wives, in Texas murdering your wife in not a crime. (It has changed I think I remember several Woman Killers in 1950's through 1990s who Murdered Wives anf Scated Away free and Breezey. Christians are taught in the Bible that Murder of a Woman who is a Scold or a Son who won,t obey should be Murdered also, Christianity is PRO MURDERERS
So as long as Bibles and Guns are Protected in America Men will Murder Women.
At 74 Years old I has clocked these trends. America is The Murder Nation.
Soon China with give Americans a taste of Murder - Men will weep and Beg like woman's and shall be murdered like rabid dogs. China and Russia sees Americans as Mad Rabid Dogs, Rightly.
@bastiat4855 nah u can look at statistics showing rates of homelessness, addiction, severe mental health issues, etc. for veterans in the united states. It’s a well known issue and denying it would be pretty sad
Tbh the us is pretty shady in its military operations. U r not fighting to keep ur country safe, u go and meddle in other people's business. In the military they tell u r a hero alpha male. To the public u r not
They need to be helped once they get back from serving.
@@govannioften1148 yeah but republicans keep trying to cut social services and democrats are too busy barley pretending to care about progressive issues.
“Without patriotic political education, a soldier is only a potential criminal.”
- Thomas Sankara
That's a lotta words for "brainwashing."
@@Riasat202 read a book
So brainwashing?
indoctrination?
I assume he meant indoctrination into communist ideals?
Love how Vice is trying to make this a left vs right issue.
We are becoming more and more unhinged as a society and seeing more and more extremists because people are being shepherded into being told to think that there are only two surfaces to a multifaceted spectrum.
There are just as many extremists on the left as there are on the right,
because when you push people into only one of two directions,
eventually they are going to reach the edge.
LOL the "extremists" on the left would die before serving in the US military. These are all right-wingers.
they refuse to demonize the left though..
Found the idiot that supports nazi troops.
Oh.. So what are the left extremists doing?
What about attaching strings to their next budget proposal so basically threaten their sacred budget unless they actually deal with this issue!
Living in a conservative area of the country where a few of these militas call home I can tell you that most of the "vets" that are in these groups, or hang around these groups either washed out of basic, or were dishonorably discharged not long into their service. Almost all of them will brag constantly about having been a special forces super secret assassin, or have a little modesty and just say they were in seal team six.
Based on your anecdotes and lived experience lol. Ok buddy. Try again.
Gravy seals if you will.
And how did you come to know them?
Yep, it’s a personality type. The military did not make them that way. Their family and community are most likely responsible.
I knew a guy who used to come to the gas station I worked at.. was also the baby daddy of a girl I almost dated years before and knew a few friends of mine.. anyway he would stop by and we would smoke a cigarette while he bragged about his deployments.. saying he missed the "pretty pink mist" he would turn people into.. which I thought was pretty psychotic. I asked a friend who knew him and he told me he was with him first hand when he got booted out of the military during training. Apparently he got his enlistment bonus and then blew it all on hotels, liquor, etc.. didn't have enough money for gas to get back to his base. He definitely was never deployed. Not the first guy I knew who got kicked out of the military and lied about it..
Dude with beard and shaved head went through a lot of bad stuff, but stopped digging deeper holes and educated himself through legitimate educational institutions ..He identified the problem and is doing some common sense things to find solutions .. I don't know if what he's doing now is that much safer than his work as a forward observer, but I thank him for his service and what he's doing now ..Please stay safe ..
@@Jonathan-jp4zz did your "indoctornation center" give you a paper when you left?
All he’s doing is snitching on people for the Democrat Party; he probably traffic’s children while he’s at it 👌🏻
@@scottlarock9345 I'd like to see you say that to his face in person ..
@@skychristy398 oh really because I’m so scared of this snitch ass POG vet I tell ya. Btw I’m like 60 lbs heavier, I’m sure all he would be able to do is ‘report me.’ 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
@@skychristy398 k
Approx 500 and what arrests in what period out of a country with what population, and how many convictions
We need the Punisher.
Does anyone think it's fitting and ironic that "The Base" was also the English translation of Al Qaeda?
That was intentional by the founders, unfortunately.
It was intentional.
Forgot about that!🤦
No it isn't. Al Qaeda translates to "The Leaders".
Y'all Qaeda
My grandfather served in WW2 and Korea. I am glad he died 10 years ago because he would have been very disappointed in these young vets. To see soldiers with Nazi flags when his friends and family were dying in WW2 is just a slap in the face to those that gave their lives.
Same w my mine, exactly 🥺🥺
If you didn’t serve the stfu
Yeah, my Grandfather travelled halfway around the world to fight Fascists and Nazis in Europe and North Africa. It took him 57 years to visit Germany again afterwards, so much was he effected by the war. He would be rolling in his grave.
Many views are tribal and passed down, learned from parents and grandparents as they saw it and lived it. Thus instilled views cultivated and pasted down from ww1 vets, ww2 vets , Vietnam,,,etc
Did you know the KKK and neo Nazis used to hate each other for this specific reason, the Vietnam war was the largest increase in white nationalism in the past century. And led to the increasing militarization of these groups
It’s dangerous for anybody to become desensitized to such violence.
When I was in the military, my basic training buddy was a Klan member. I am puertorrican so we had a very uneasy, weird relationship. There was a point where we got along, talk about families, laughed, joked and you would think we were friends but we both it was far from it. On our lasts days he told me, you should come to Alabama to visit me, meet my family to which I replied. No. And that was that. I wonder if he still the same.
Smart to say no. Thanks for your service 🙏🏾
@@dollyscarz8295 funny you say that. I have never forgotten that. I still even remember his last name. I was a very young kid, very unfamiliar with the US race dynamics. He was my first encounter with one of them. Was I affraid of him? Not really, more like curious. Like a teen looking at a pissed rattlesnake. I knew he was dangerous, at least I kept getting warned about him but I had that confidence of youth Lol. Towards the end he felt like a real friend.
@@john_doe_smith Los blancos del sur son loco porque no ay mucho opurtunidades y la unidad familiar no se toma en serio como en la cultura latinoamericana y afroamericana. Son personas perdidas y con problemas
I am happy youre ok
i disagree with the smart to say no. that was your chance to change him. maybe he wanted you to go so he can tell his family he will no longer be apart of that life
If you ask a bad person “are you a bad person”; you think they will say yes? You can’t just ask them , you gotta look up their background information
Especially the early life section
That is absolute rubbish.
Oh, like Trump??
Outstanding. What do you do when they have no priors and no indicators?
@@harrypalmer7579 SHUT IT DOWN!
Way too much adds...
7 years of service and I’ve never seen anyone tolerate racism in the army
Leaving the military, I felt extremely angry and abandoned. The VA helped me get over it and fall back into a normal life. Denying veterans care over extremism is the absolute worst thing to do. Instead, counseling and therapy will help ease a lot of these frustrations, while compensation and financial support will thwart the abandonment these veterans feel.
But even with these tools, I've watched several of my white brothers in arms fall into right wing extremism. As a stressed out minority, I cut my ties with these folks, further contributing to the divide. I would look at phenomena like Alex Jones, Q, and Fox News rhetoric for leading this divide. We as a nation need to be more aggressive against propaganda and disinformation, treating it as war against the mind, before it turns into actual war. I don't think that anyone on either side of the aisle actually truly understands how dangerous this situation is. This documentary paints the danger as vividly almost as it truly is.
@Will Boler thank you for sharing your experience, and also what helped. Our gov absolutely should be taking care of veterans with a clear plan. Coming back to civilian life is difficult. Although I have not served, I have experienced very long periods of drawn out trauma and out in the world, and in order to settle down I really needed a great amount of support. Hard to find.
Honestly the far left are the only people appropriately worried about these guys.
The activities of these groups around Jan 6 is so much worse than even the current inquiry will report on since it's all implication and they didn't action anything
The Republicans absolutely, 100% understand understand. After all, they're the ones standing in the way of getting these guys any help. Reducing radicalism runs exactly counter to their project.
yet the democrats created the kkk..... biden said your not black if you dont vote me. extremism is extremism. stop painting pro America people. what about all the minority people who voted trump?????? liberal ideology is ruining this country
speak out and tell them who is denying them access to care because they are so brainwashed they don't even see it right in front of them.
My brother who is in the army was telling me all about this 10years ago. From what he told me this is already generational.
A lot of gangs like MS-13 got a lot of their initial training from the US military. Not necessarily the military's fault... maybe it is in the sense of poor regulations.
@@spicychad55 I think it is the tribal nature of human. White nationalist and MS-13 just protect what they believe is their tribe. Being a nation that is made up of many nationalities and cultures. There is bound to be tribal warfare.
@@spicychad55 Exactly. There are extremists in all industries.
@@spicychad55 That was the case with Zetas in Mexico too (ex army commandos), but I think now they're gone. Same in Brazil (hitmen being ex special police). Although we see the money reason, in the US case seems purely ideological?
@@spicychad55 LMFAO
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.” ― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket" a short book from 1935.
I get too dizzy from the 'slant' to keep watching.
Lol right!
I'm a young vet and I can tell you why some feel angry.I am now broken and disabled at only the young age of 26.It makes me angry that my friends who I went to high school with,don't have to worry about the same disabilities I do.The VA is trash and the government could careless about their citizens.
You are SO young at 26. Your thoughts and anger are completely VALID. I HATE that the VA is trash. I want so much better for you. I can tell you that I'm 45 and life doesn't get easier. I hope you know that I VALUE AND RESPECT THE HONOR AND BRAVERY YOU GAVE. ❤️ God bless you young man or woman wherever you are. Love from South Carolina
Its funny people always talk about how you get free healthcare for joining the military.
@@squidwardo7074 honestly the only reason i joined up was because of citizenship and a personal view that i owed it to serve a country that adopted me as it’s own
Sorry you had to learn the hard way but they never did care.
Nobody forced you to sign up.
Lmao a vet dude, never seen combat dude, but what am I spilling my blood for dude? Dude, come on 😂
It's easier than you think to clean up.
I was in the military for 12 years until I was force to leave after severe injury. I miss the military it was the worst and best thing that ever happened to me and I’d go back if I was able. In my veteran community I’ve never seen any of them being radicalized most just have nostalgia and miss their time in service and complain about how terrible the VA is. But from this it seems they could be all around me but I’ve never been approached by them that I know of. I know lots of TBI/PTSD/Disabled guys who could be manipulated using their trauma or exploiting their vulnerabilities and the desire to be a part of something bigger and a brother/sisterhood we lost when we had to leave.
So they join a hate group...bro that hate was in them before they joined the military...
so join the reserves
Lol hate groups, riiiggghht...... here's a fun game, let's compare the cost in damages between all the right wing groups and then to just antifa and blm.
@@lovekills9112 ok let's do that. Which groups are we calling rwhg?
Can’t you just all be part of the big cookie selling brootherhood?
It's a strange reality to live with. One of my best friends I made at my Advanced Individual Training (AIT) had a father who was on the leanings of White Supremacists. However, we were close enough to talk about anything at anytime, and she acknowledged her upbringing, but was never prejudice, even to myself, a person of color.
At our graduation, we were lined up infront for handshaking and congratulations from all the parents and friends who showed up. Some refused to shake our hands, acknowledge our existence, or our commitment to our nation. It's a hard pill to swallow, but I can live happily knowing that my classmates did not have the same ideology as their parents. I serve my country proudly, regardless having to protect people with different ideologies.
I hope you keep that state of my mind because time and people stupidity will grind your patience slowly ans understanding slowly but surely
Hey my friend. I am what the so-called white supremacists would call a "true blood". I'm whiter than any of them because I live in Northern Ireland, a place where the sun never shines. I'm an Ulster-Scot like the Founding Fathers. The guy who printed the first US Constitution (Robert Dunlap) was born within walking distance of me. The man who created the textbook used by the Founding Fathers to create the Constitution (Francis Hutcheson, who coined the phrase, "unalienable rights") also lived within walking distance of where I currently live. Sorry for the long intro I just wanted you to know that even if some people in the US military don't appreciate your sacrifice, that I appreciate it and the people of the United Kingdom appreciate you, sir.
Serving alongside brothers and sisters like you, becoming friends and sharing the various experiences you did together - all of that probably plays a role in their rejection of that obsolete and senseless mindset. I hope you’re being treated very well in civilian life.
Unrelated but what did you get in the ASVAB, im interested in joining the branches.
As a Canadian I respect your resolve.
how can you in the same video say there were a time with several million clan members and then say the last 20 years was the most politically divided moment in living memory?
They been in the military since the first world war
The Viet Nam war was the first war we were able to witness through the television. It was brought right into your living room. I remember as a kid, they would list the dead and wounded every night on the news. It was pretty scarry.
My dad was over there as an enlisted PFC in the Marine Corps in 1968. He was 20 years old. I took U.S. and Vietnam History in college. What an absolute horror show.
Weird thought isn't it, such a considerable change we didn't really notice at the time. Now we're all desensitised lol. I believe it was also the first war that they did hot drops in
@@colico14 US shouldn't have been there plain and simple, respect to your dad though
@@colico14 The Viet Nam war raged through out my childhood. When most people I suppose did not understand why we were there. When I turned 17 in1972, I realized it will soon be my turn to be drafted. At this time, I understood what was going on politically, and socially. I struggled with how I felt about the war, about being drafted. Because we all knew by this time it was an absolute horror show.
I wanted to be patriotic, so I did the best next thing. I protested with the best to bring home my friends, and everyone else there.
The lottery was done that year, my # put me in the crowd next to be drafted. Fortunately it was decided to pull everyone out. Remember them saying it was not our war, it was merely a police action? Yea right.
It was a lot different watching those TV casualty reports from Nam, when you were looking for the names of guys you went to school with, guys you played football with; guys whose sisters you dated. It got worse when your friends came home banged up or strung out and you all had to realize that the war was all for a bunch of lies.
A 25-35 yr old enlisted Marine who misses the Corp this much yet isn't serving anymore probably wasn't given the chance to reenlist. Furthermore, letting others call you "The General" when you couldn't possibly hold that rank goes against military decorum. I work in a VA hospital (and a Navy vet). One of the most common tactics I see with vets who puff up their service, and cling to their time in service to this degree, is that they're actually OTH (other than honorable) or ELS (entry-level separation aka didn't /couldn’t finish boot camp) discharges. Just my opinion tho.
Preach!! 🙏💯💯👌
I agree!
Couldn’t agree more. I remember there was this old vet I knew who endlessly bragged about his time in Korea. Found out after he passed away that in 8 years of service he only made it to E-3 and was dishonorably discharged after he went AWOL.
Agreed
The only people that endlessly brag about their service are people that want the honor for what little they accomplished. Thinking that their bare minimum was enough to let them ride by on life, because they lack identity and a true sense of self.
How ridiculous do you wanna look as an adult man walking in a modern city with assault weapons and tactical gear after training behind a barn?
Yes.
I like how she said the gulf war helped Vietnam vets work off the tension from Vietnam… 20 years later when most of those vets were retired? Your trying to frame veterans as extremists and anyone with access to google can defraud you. While I’m sure there are some extremists they are few and far between. Also btw is super hard to weapons from the military in todays age.
I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........
You don't have to be in the military to have watched someone die in front of you ....that happens in the hood all the time I've seen dudes stab each other to death and have had friends die from overdoses I'm not in the military but so what I've almost lost my life by getting hit by a car I was really close but It missed me happened more than once actually
@@captaincrunch7944 You're right; let me re-phrase that: I love the guy going on about the trauma of seeing your best friend bleed and die in combat ... and it turns out he is the one who's never been in combat ........ There!
@@captaincrunch7944 he literally talked about watching people die fighting a war for America 😂
Vice is a clown show always trying to stir up racism and blame police and white people for everything.
Wait, was that dude bragging about being in the Coast Guard like he’s a bad ass now? 😂😂😂
He sees himself as a Navy SEAL
Yo, watch out, I was a mall cop. I was in Iraq....i Saffron Outfitters.
I mean USCG is pretty badass, they jump out of helicopters and stop drug trafficking soooo
Andrew have you served yourself, if not you should probably stfu frfr 😒
@@LuisFlores-id7tb gravy seals
4:49 what about the terror in England , France , Sweden , Austria , Norway and Switzerland ? Could you guys make a video on that topic?
A big problem is how the military and military personnel are idolised
While the issue is certainly multifactorial, It appears to be a deadly combination of generational prejudice and hatred seeping out and the lack of support upon being discharged/ retiring from the military. Many crave the structure, discipline, and comradery they experienced while in the military and which is severely lacking in the civilian realm and something they find in these 'brotherhood' type extremist groups. My dad served 30 years in the Army and eventually retired two years ago. I know it was a very sad day for him as it had been a part of his life for 30 years and had been the reason for his success in life ( he was a JAG and eventually retired as an '06). The army gave our family many adventures including living overseas for many years and it was a time that while stressful (especially when my dad deployed) it was certainly something created a close bond between us. My dad ended up taking a high position in the social security administration and is currently still successful but i know many others who struggle. My dad continues to help fellow soldiers from his previous command who are retiring - giving them resume advice, education recommendations, and tips for transitioning to the civilian life. He has helped many get jobs in the government sector and other corporations and I am glad that my dad is trying to help these soldiers transition so that they have support and don't feel lost and desperate.
maybe but i think not most vets i know dont wanted to be around anyone
Well stated.
You have a great dad & he is lucky to have you.
Thanks for sharing your father's story....!
How were you in the Army and know words that big
TLDR
It's kind of like the saying "you can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid." I think the same thing applies here with some of these veterans, they can't let go of their military life and they keep trying to implement it in everyday civilian life
After taking fathers out of the home, dismantling the traditional family and creating laws and policies which marginalize men. Don't be surprised when you see more of this kind of thing.
Maybe a hollow point to the noggin' is a solution that benefits everyone else in this world who is not prone to killing other human beings.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 absolutely why do you think the military is having such a hard time recruiting now
@@johnbooth5297 That's all part of their plan. Div3rsity is weakening the miIitary.
hah?
Coast Guard Reserve vet 😂 I'm also that of Call of Duty
They are not the only Veterans who served America....
For anybody worried about people like Watkins, the initial phase of basic training that everybody goes through doesn’t teach you much
from what my buddies tell me its more to teach you discipline? and how to follow orders
@@beepbeep1253 this is accurate, you learn basic tactics, but it’s more about teaching you a mindset that you are capable of pushing yourself
Exactly. The most dangerous path that leads to Extremism is Ideology - such as Bolshevism, Marxism, Communism, Socialism, etc - Group Think, Mob Mentality.
LMAO naw no one is worried about that
That depends upon what you were exposed to as a child. I was a gun nut, but the geometry of the M16A1 was new to me. I turned down advanced marksmanship training, because it sounded like sniper school, to me.
This subject is scary. I just knew that a lot of Vets were going to come back wondering why we were in the Iraq war and resent it. It's hard on them watching a fellow soldier die to include women and children. I've heard them talk about it. My first boyfriend came back from Vietnam a broken man.
You actually believe this 🤯
You are shockingly dumb
@@mikeray8004 Duh
@@omennemo8844 he probably killed all those poor civilians in Vietnam and later resented it
but it's a flawed logic to say you're obeying your oath to defend the american people when you're turning military weapons and violence on the american people who didn't send you to iraq
pain and suffering does not warrent the hate and inhumanity of being a nazi to want or even think about joining or being apart of those groups is unforgiveable
when paintballing just aint enough
Now the BSC needs to do a stand down! RECONVENE NOW!!!
"We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst."
-C.S. Lewis
@Leon lionhardt they're the only loyal ones
@@TomorrowWeLive Loyal to what? You guys attribute way too much value to your country. It's just borders. They're not even real. Here in the Netherlands we like our country but are also taught to think for ourselves.
Your entire country is build and based around extremism. There is no grey opinion or nuanced explanation. Just for or against, black and white, enemy or ally.
We won't even have to do anything, you guys will just kill each other. It'd be convenient if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.
@@TomorrowWeLive uh oh
@@anenclavetrooper9707 The founding fathers were White nationalists, either you agree or you are traitor to them and what they believed.
Extremism of this scale has always existed - just much more spread out and many small groups. The reason why it started rising in the 2010s is because social media was made available - where people of like mind in fringe society can find one another and group up. Now it's just in plain sight, because of how the internet is. This applies to every single fringe group out there - they've always existed in mass, now they just have a place to converse and converge together.
14:35 - 15:35 this person speaks it perfectly.
Extremism is also getting bad because democrats are trying to abolish the 2nd ammendment If they abolish the 2nd ammendment it willl start a civil war.
Bad actors also had a leader who was a POS.
@9:01 is that real or edited
If that's the case, they'll continue to evolve - and if that's the case, it reveals how many people actually support these ideals and if THAT'S the case, you have to wonder how many people quietly integrate themselves into society and DON'T reveal they have these views but carry them in private to remain integrated into society unlike some of these more militant fellows.
This is so far from a 'fringe' thing.
People on opposite ends of the political spectrum are able to “clash” via social media. As, for example, hard core social justice groups takes 🇺🇸 to the task for inequities… the other side takes it personal and pushes back equally, if not with more force.
My question is:where is the FBI?What right do you have targeting people that just what to live peacefully?These people are initiating terrorism just because.
The FBI is constantly targeting and overstepping in the name of preventing domestic terrorism. So many cases of harassing and targeting legal patriots due to their political beliefs. The FBI is a captured politicized and terrorist organization.
20 years in the USAF…never met one.
“Used military style of communications”
Cuts to clip of them saying hold your ground
My brother retired Air Force and he doesn't believe the same as the young man with the hat. We could be doing way more for our military to help them assimilate back to civilian life if they need it. Thank you for all those who have served our country and us. Breaks my heart to hear that people are coming out of our military and going straight to extremism.
I got out in 82 and it was absolutely training ground for the KKK and other white supremacist extremists as well as street gang military training as well it hasn't changed doesn't sound like
Your brother was in the Air Force not a crayon chomping marine, theres a reason hes not in a far right militia group
Im in the Air Force and i believe in the way this man, Hammer, thinks. Hes right. Its all bullshit. We have been spoon fed this garbage propoganda and youd have to be a complete fucking moron not to see it. Even now, the Air Force has been rated "Very Weak". The US military is not the military it was back in the 2nd World War. We are under a foreign entity, we fight for a foreign entity, for its interests. We only get paid in the blood of our brothers and sisters that dont even benefit us.
@@HeroOfTheDay16 Ashli Babbitt tho
Only like 1% of the population serves. Why do so many unhinged vets turn to this extremism? It is a paradox. They fought for the country, and now they want to tear it down.
I totally get the whole 'is this what I've been risking my life for?' feeling when you get out of the military. You should be pissed. You're getting screwed. But how does that translate to hating black people? They're in there with you, they're getting screwed too!
Well said. But Black people have always got the Blame for weak people. They are not Extremists they are Devils that like to shoot at armless opponents.
Don't wake a Sleeping Lion. History will not be repeated. Too many Good hearted people will not tolerate violence.
Most people dont hate black people they hat Liberal Ideology that promotes hating Republicans for liking America, Trans children surgerys, and taking our rights away Every time I look up theres some new law in my state
@@siuraspe4281 we're talking about white supremacists here. They definitely hate black people. And most people don't hate liberals, most people ARE liberals.
😂😂😂
You know these people aren't exactly the smartest
Having worked with all the branches in my 8yrs in the AF this wholenthing seems more geared towards non active personnell. I mean hell the part where they investigated the farm, that guy was kicked out for being violent and failure to adapt 2 months isnt anything. Dude probably fucked around all day and hated being told what to do. Youd be amazed of what youbcan leanr about anything military related on google. Active duty this stuff is snuffed out pretty quickly, racism and violent tendancies has 0 tolerance if your command wont touch you your battle buddies/wingman/ect will.
32:48 this is a question every American should ask himself/herself before join the military...
Imagine been a soldier in WW2 fighting Nazis and Swastikas only to return back home seeing your grandsons branding the swastika. There is an error somewhere. Did grandpa fight and kill Nazis so grandson can be a Nazi?!?!
We defeated the wrong army -- US general Patton.
Grandpa would switch sides if he saw the current state of "western civilization"
@@misterboot6682 What trap....Islam is b.s
White US soldiers died in ww2 so europe could become overrun with immigrants and communism, and so whites to become a minority in the USA. IS that what you're saying?
Those WW2 vets had more in common with the Germans than our current society.
Failure to adapt is a separation category for someone who has not yet finished basic training or school. What this means is that he couldn't hack it. I have a feeling that a lot of these folks would fall under this same category.
Exactly… they’re untrained losers is what this video should highlight
failure to adapt can only be used if a soldier is in for less than 12 months , normally those types usually got weeded out pretty quick
Absolutely. They want to play soldier because they couldn't be one
@SandyRiverBlue - I came across a female “veteran” that didnt make it through basic training because she fainted on a hot day. She gets services at the VA and is currently appealing to get service connected disability. I don’t quite understand that. Meanwhile, PTSD Joe is struggling to get his claim heard and waiting for mental health services.
Some said the military was the most successful intagrational system in our society,guess that's out the door now.
Found this very confronting and hard hitting ,,,great doc ,,,,and yes there is a problem.
honestly if you’ve developed unhealthy intentions as a child, the US Military is an easy place to exercise those intentions.
The USA is a militarized society. I mean look at their army. Look at how many wars they start. Its a war nation. So its not a surprise.
And if you come from a very prejudicial small town environment, you just default to how you were raised. Most of these guys were not "college-guys" with a remote possibilty of exposure to other people of other cultures. PATHETIC WHYTE AMERICA.
Exactly!!! THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
I would agree.
Yes and then you’re left with them when they dump you back on the street.
I wish they had covered more about why so many people seem to be heading in that direction anyway.
I wouldn't care for what Vice would cover about why militias in the U.S. are a growing phenomenon. I've watched this video a few times with a lot of skepticism because Vice was cofounded by Gavin McInnes who founded the ProdBois.
But the story of the motivations of people who join militias would endanger any media organization that exposed the reality of the infantile belligerence that is the major force behind it.
Everyone needs a hobby. Instead of becoming a leader, say a kid's baseball team, the lovebros of the homoerotic men-together mostly failed military careers is more attractive.
@@rossclark9155 that and nothing unites people like a common enemy. Once they have something to point their finger at, everything else falls into place.
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Very Good
It’s VICE, they wouldn’t dare do such a thing.
One of makes sensical reason u better don't fully trust them as a 'police of world'⚠
33:08 four words sums it up
I was an Asian in the Army in the early 2000s. There were definitely some racist mofos in bootcamp. The funny thing was most of these Southern dudes could not even explain why they were being racist, just that they were raised this way (ended up becoming a good friend with one of them) lol
Yes, although it was only the one guy from Lousiana that was racist...and sadly met a bitter end at a very young age...the other 20 or so were actually quite nice, even the one racist guy was nice to me (l was an internacional srudent from maya descent, I look latino) and they seemed to know that Mexicans are hard workers, one of them told me almost mumbling,, it was the lazy ones that they seemed to be disappointed about. Back then bl*ck basketball players had asked me to do their homework I said no, and they just seemed to be looking to have a good time, most basketball players were not good role models
So what are you now
Yep, that is a huge part of it. People are like that everywhere too. Stupidest thing about this country we think we are so special we even think our racism is special. Whine about it.
Im asian too. get tf over it dude. How would you feel if our asian countries were full of white dudes fuckin our women and taking over our government? aka colonization? our focus shouldnt be on reforming racism but protecting our own asian men and women.
Most racists I've come across have been from all over the place, it isn't confined to the South
The town I live in, have billboards to recruit active duty Soldiers for their supremacy groups. Most prey around military installations just like the one I reside in. It is ugly.
We have plenty programs in the military and yet not effective as the way it should be. We have a plethora of supremacy groups masked in the military. When I led certain programs, we had to learn lingo and pay attention to body markings which would help identify affiliation.
The next part you should look at are these cult churches who prey on active duty and retired service members to leech on their benefits.
Yikes!
What supremacy groups have billboards?
That would be all over the news.
What city?
No you don't.
you mean "prey" ?
@@sendthis9480 Look up "I went to the Most Racist Town in America!"
This town is famous for "white pride" billboards. 10 million views on RUclips.
11:30 Dunno who Miller is but that def looks like David Duke.
Can't we rephrase the issue as ex-military are targeted for radicalisation by extremists and terrorist? because of their training and because of the situation they're left in after they leave the army?
Military formation: stack up = a crowd of people in a small hallway
Military codes : hold your ground = anyone wanting to make a stand.
I get your point but come on, I'm just waiting for "fully semi automatic" to be said at this point.
🤣🤣🤣"fully semi automatic"...almost as bad as calling an AR-15 as "military grade".
@danm3532 who developed the AR-15 weapon. It is a clone of the military grade weapon produced by gun manufacturers for civilian use You are fos.
The US military is an anti-humanity terrorist organization
The Military is not friendly to extremism, the reason they are weary of talking about it, is because they need to keep members and they need to recruit, they have worries of coming wars and they need men and soldiers, and most people who get involved with extremism, are discharged for it, and right now they need troops. I think getting involved in extremism of any side, should result in a negative counseling and not discharging, to please both sides, because we need troops for war if it comes, with whatever country it might be with.
This is crazy! The vetting process seems like such bs
I’m so conflicted. I recognize myself in these guys and the frustration and I also know that what failed them wasn’t minorities. It was corps buying out our gov and passive politicians that have left American citizens behind.
Clearly the problem is capitalism.
@@johnjohnson9756 better dead than red
@@johnjohnson9756 What system would you suggest that could be immune to humanity's inherent evils? You can change a system but reality is there are some things that you just can't change. And no matter what system is in place the root cause for the current complaints with the current system will remain.
@@jamstagerable nuclear fallout, 6 billion die, the remaining 2 million farm, build, hunt, gather, and instead of paper money (which can be easily weaponised by big corporations when it comes to capitalism) we trade the things we make, and farmer gives food to a builder and the builder makes the farmer a house, everyone has a role in society, everyone is happy.
@@Ir3gretn0th1ng posadism doesn’t work
Twenty bucks says that most of these dudes were not even in a combat job like 11 Bravo or Charlie (using the Army as an example).
And? Is getting shot at a badge of honor or something?
@@TheRealWinser It does say something about ones skill level.
@@jingbot1071 says nothing about skill but says everything about how mentally unstable that person probably is
they are unfit to serve mentally and physically most of the time. they don't understand the meaning of giving your life for your country either since they are all traitors to the flag by wanting to undo the last election !
For every combat soldier there are 9 support soldiers. For every soldier who saw combat there 9 out there lying about their military experience 😂😂😂
Just like how the nation treated the Vietnam vets when they came home.
Soldier who just graduated AIT in August here. Extremism is more prevalent in the members who have left the military. Veterans, especially those who have seen combat, enter the civilian world at the end of their contract with a lack of support and still want to feel a sense of belonging. This makes them join gangs, hate groups, etc. I think the DOD needs to evaluate how they treat their veterans entering the civilian world with more attention to help address the extremism issue. The DOD has implemented SHARP for the military, a program intended to prevent hateful rhetoric, sexual assaults, and other problems from spreading in our ranks. This has already brought a positive effect in the military's ranks to reduce the level of hate IN the military. The question now is, how will we address servicemen and servicewomen leaving the military, and ensure they will stay away from following hate in the civilian world? That's my piece at least from experience so far.
You make a lot of great points.
You’ll soon see that it’s prevalent in the active duty ranks as well.
I think the government should go after hate groups like BLM. Can't join them if they're disbanded for the violence they incite.
I would hope training would help. Unfortunately, soldiers come from different educations and backgrounds. While in the national guard, I deployed to Iraq with a bunch of racists who lived in rural Oregon and Idaho communities. I remember some saying, “White Power”. They were angry when DADT was being repealed, and had to attend sensitivity training.
When I got back from deployment, I switched to a unit based in Portland. That unit was made up of better educated and cultured soldiers. It was a diverse and LGBT friendly unit.
Ultimately, the power point presentations the military provides will not curb extremism. The military should actively involve VSO’s in military culture, that way soldiers have a positive role model.
Career vet 4 Army tours from 04-18, 2 years contracting before coming back. OCONUS stations were the best years of my military career. Due to the isolation and influence of foreign or cultural differences, Soldiers were truly a family. We broke bread together, laughed, cried, and bleed together. CONUS, specifically Texas, I experienced every bit of the individuals highlighted in this segment from high ranking officers down to the lowest enlisted. I could not believe the difference, as my first station was OCONUS for almost 6 years. I have good buddies of all races, lifelong companions that if need be, I'd ride through hell again with, but lord knows there is an extremist/racist problem within the ranks, without question.
Preach! Americans come together overseas but decay in CONUS.
I’m a black veteran; I wont disclose what I did in the military. I have had several brothers that are white show and tell me through my 8 years that their is race soldiers in military. Until this day they are my brothers for telling me the truth and now I understand what’s happening in the U.S.
It’s because it’s a perfect fit for an extremist. They are armed and sent to kill foreigners, they are usually not all there mentally so that seems like a dream for them.
I thank you for your service tho.
@Nick Gurr napped it outta my tongue.
@@sambankman-Zelenskyare you defending racism?
Sadly both political extremes are bad.
Jesus, I have PTSD from a Marine Corp that fucked me out of benefits. This makes me never want to leave my house. The Marine Corp is a place where abusive controlling people are promoted quickly while their victims are shamed and abused by others as a punishment for speaking out. It can be a sick place.
Jesus Kenny,youre not the man of soldiers of past. They had years away , only news from home was red cross packages, mud and snow and constant bombardment,hunger, shell shock cold etc. We would all be living under nazi rule today if you and yours were the ones defending freedom
Go to American Legion and ask them to help w your benefits. They helped me
I have bro I get nowhere... should try again but I have to do a correction of records to get my discharge upgraded. Most official veterans anythings don't deal with someone with a General under other than honorable. I have been out since 2000 trying to fight them but everything I have done has been shut down. The paperwork tells an accurate story but the Naval Board of Corrections basically said the paperwork doesn't say what it obviously says. A jag attorney told me he will take my case for $3500 but on disability I can't afford to pay him and still loose. I am working on getting the money up though, I really hate authoritarian liars.
@@TomDBombed check out the Pact Act too, It was recently enacted. Also I've heard a group called Veterns guardian can get results for some $. Pays lawyer fee but I think it's out of $$ they get for you.
Kenny, I no longer thank military ppl "for their service." However, I thank all servicemen and women for their sacrifice. Please hear my message in the love and support of my intention.
Almost, if not all enlisted ppl experience some form of sacrifice. That sacrifice for some may be leaving their home and family behind. However, for you and many others, it was an abusive culture that became much more serious, abusive, and demeaning and has left deep and lasting scars. There's no doubt vicious abuse has become more prevalent today, and I can see the military would be a culture where harmful abuse takes place daily. And yes, when others join in the abuse, that can only elevate the victim's sense of shame and betrail. The victim is left with little to no trust and therefore has no one to turn to for support. The victim will also begin to question their guilt and often lose their feelings, often blaming themselves for the abuse. The final abuse was the military's denying you benefits, which prolly confirmed that overpowering sense of shame. The shame and disgrace that have become pervasive in our lives make it challenging to hold your head up in public and face the daily grind. And no doubt, assholes, aka abusers, have grown in numbers exponentially as the years go by.
I also suffer from severe PTSD, and abusive people appear often.
By the way, I was also in an abusive relationship, and you've described the same patterns I know all too well. In contrast, I have grown in emotional strength thru competent and caring ppl who specialize in abuse counseling and PTSD. But, unfortunately, it doesn't take much to where I'm questioning myself and feeling that reoccurring shame again.
Kenny B., I sincerely thank you for your sacrifice. You seem to have persevered, and where your PTSD prolly won't go away entirely, it will, in time, subside.
Can't wait for 2039 gonna be a spicy decade.
I'm not sure how my own country measures up, but I still get every impression that Veterans aren't treated with the same care and depth as they are trained.
Might be time to break the power grid
So?