"Other than myself, no one else is confused." Nice playthrough. It seems like there is a lot to keep track of with Venom. BTW, I just got my copy today. I'll start the campaign tomorrow :)
@Jonathan Weeks Yes, this set really has several things to track and remember triggers ... and then rules interpretations. I may have got this one all wrong ... or I may be right. I don't know, I'm confused. ;) Anyway, Hope you have some great gaming ahead of you!!
@@DaletheCasualGamer Glad it’s not just me. I think this particular scenario pushed the limits of how many things I want to track before it stops being fun.
Rules explanations/clarifications/mistakes: 1. I may have misinterpreted the "You" on Venom's character card to be the identity, not the player. Something like, "After damage is dealt to Venom from an attack, deal the players identity a boost card." would have helped be more clear for me.
So when attacking with allies, you would've needed to grab additional boost cards right? Because that's how I interpreted it, that's why I only used events to damage him since they don't count as a card you control.
@@wittebaard I’m not entirely sure about that. I interpreted it as when you play an attack action, it’s allowing your identity to do the damage, which is a card you control. I hope Caleb clarifies this though because I’m not really certain which interpretation is correct.
Venom's card says "attack and damage with a card you control", and the rules define control as any card in your play area, deck, hand, and discard pile, so if it's an Event card with the word "attack", then Venom's Forced Response comes into play. NOTE: This is different than the words "deal damage", like on Tac Team or Miles' Venom Blast....these actions would not trigger the Forced Response.
Great play through. There was a lot going on. I got my copy of Sinister Motives yesterday for my birthday. It’s going to be awhile before I play the campaign though as I’m STILL trying to beat Scenario from Galaxy’s Most Wanted. Pre ordered Nova and Iron Heart today and they should be with me by 20th May
Finally went through the expansion! Not using campaign rules, I like just playing the scenarios as stand alone. I think this is my favourite box, first time I really like all 5 scenarios.
attack and damage venom with "a card you control" . ally is a card in control? for example reality stone ability , discard an ally , upgrade ,or support "you control".
I definitely could be wrong. Rules are definitely open to interpretation. According to the rules reference, in my opinion, when the game asks "You" to discard or draw it refers to the player. Otherwise, "You" is your identity which also counts upgrades and events played from your hand. "You" does not count supports and allies. If that is what they wanted I wish they would have just said, "After damage is dealt to Venom from an attack, deal the players identity a boost card." So is "You" talking about the player, or the identity and cards the identity controls or the player. I don't know. Just playing the game the best I can.
@@stockvns430 Thanks for the clarification! I read the first part as the "identity" then went with the second part as referring to cards controlled by the identity. Like I say, I live in a world on constantly being "Confused". :) If I wasn't done with the campaign, I'd replay it.
Nice playthrough, Dale. I’m personally loving Ghost Spider! She’s seriously moving up to my top 5 after a number of plays for being versatile with most of the aspects for my play style. Will be curious to see more of your plays with her outside of the SM campaign against other villains 🙂
The aspect card thing means you can choose any card from any aspect.. for example, you can add Maria Hill to an aggression deck. Or you can add Make the Call to the deck. It doesn't increase your hand size.
I took a hiatus from the game and jumped back in with the Sinister Motives expansion. Playing the Venom scenario today it was a little daunting keeping track of all the effects. Between the Bell 🛎, the boost cards and the usual encounter card shenanigans it felt like a bit much. Maybe it’s just me though being a little out of practice. I am so excited for the Mutant Genesis expansion(just announced today!)-still my favorite game of all time overall but yeah, some scenarios are a little more labor intensive then others!
Glad you're back to the game! I know many players really love the set, but I can see where the extra accounting and trigger upkeep can take away from the game. And after a normal day at work, I'm done with accounting. :)
Well done. Now is this a scenario tacked onto a theme or a theme glommed onto a scenario? Either way it’s a nice fit. The extra boost faff is a pain and the expansions additional faffinage is just getting started. I wonder if FFG will ever give us a replacement for those poor green “everything” counters. Talk about working a double duty.
Hi Dale, keep up the good work. I noticed a few rules mishaps. As you already know as I saw you comment on it, at 10:10 Ghost Spider should have taken another boost card when her ally SM UK attacked as it is a card she controls. Not taking a boost for ally attacks happens again later and I presume the entire time-I did not have time to watch the entire video. At about 14:41, Spider Man attacked but you took no boost card.
@Jonathan Oh Thanks for watching! I put a note in the comments about attacking with allies ... and with several new things to track, it was inevitable that I would miss something. :)
What we did for this scenario in my campaign was any damage from a card controlled by a player that is an attack would trigger venom, including ally and any hero action (attack). Only exeption we did was for dr.strange crimson band..as its a 'special' and not an 'attack'.
@upgraayed. The rules for “You” would refer to your identity, upgrades and events played from your hand, and would not count supports or allies. There is more on “You” in the rules reference on Fantasy Flight Games web site. Hope that helps, and happy gaming! :)
@@DaletheCasualGamer The point is that venom state "by card you control" - so this include allies because they are under your control and they are making attacks.
Also events you playing (that has "attack") triggers venom abillity, so actually this one was made on "very easy" by you :P. Would like to rewatch it with correct gameplay
@@DaletheCasualGamer It went horribly wrong 3 times before we finally gave up. After that we just decided to customize one hero deck and just run through all the expansions from the beginning.
@@JAWS9683 It went horribly wrong twice for me, and then I remembered I have several games on my shelf that haven't been played yet ... so found a distraction. Looking to playing with my game group, but doubt we'll get to the final battle in just one sitting next weekend. :)
When I saw that Webbed Up go on Gwen, I winced in pain. Such a terrible card for her. Just like you, I don’t know if a card like Ghost Kick resolves and triggers all her stuff or stops due to Webbed Up.
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"Other than myself, no one else is confused." Nice playthrough. It seems like there is a lot to keep track of with Venom. BTW, I just got my copy today. I'll start the campaign tomorrow :)
@Jonathan Weeks Yes, this set really has several things to track and remember triggers ... and then rules interpretations. I may have got this one all wrong ... or I may be right. I don't know, I'm confused. ;)
Anyway, Hope you have some great gaming ahead of you!!
The funny part was 2 minutes after you said that you used your own card for a boost card.
@@DaletheCasualGamer
Glad it’s not just me. I think this particular scenario pushed the limits of how many things I want to track before it stops being fun.
Rules explanations/clarifications/mistakes:
1. I may have misinterpreted the "You" on Venom's character card to be the identity, not the player. Something like, "After damage is dealt to Venom from an attack, deal the players identity a boost card." would have helped be more clear for me.
So when attacking with allies, you would've needed to grab additional boost cards right? Because that's how I interpreted it, that's why I only used events to damage him since they don't count as a card you control.
@@wittebaard Events with the Attack keyword would count too. I played on "easy mode". ;)
The designers really need to get a handle on their wording and rule inconsistencies tbh.
@@wittebaard
I’m not entirely sure about that. I interpreted it as when you play an attack action, it’s allowing your identity to do the damage, which is a card you control. I hope Caleb clarifies this though because I’m not really certain which interpretation is correct.
Venom's card says "attack and damage with a card you control", and the rules define control as any card in your play area, deck, hand, and discard pile, so if it's an Event card with the word "attack", then Venom's Forced Response comes into play.
NOTE: This is different than the words "deal damage", like on Tac Team or Miles' Venom Blast....these actions would not trigger the Forced Response.
Awesome match! So rich of surprises! And the campaign book is really interesting. Can't wait to see you facing Mysterio! Thanks for the video.
@Oreste Gamba Thanks for watching! :)
Sadly I think the venom blast cannot hit the bell tower, as it is not an “attack” like you said in the beginning of the video.
Great video! Watched this to prepare playing my copy which just came in today
Have fun, and good luck!! :)
Love the videos Dale keep them coming.
@Caesar's Peak Thanks for watching! :)
Great play through. There was a lot going on. I got my copy of Sinister Motives yesterday for my birthday. It’s going to be awhile before I play the campaign though as I’m STILL trying to beat Scenario from Galaxy’s Most Wanted. Pre ordered Nova and Iron Heart today and they should be with me by 20th May
Happy birthday, and happy gaming!! :)
I just got my ass kicked by Venom so I rushed to your channel 😂 your videos are great, please keep recording.
Hope your next battle against Venom went better! :)
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Finally went through the expansion! Not using campaign rules, I like just playing the scenarios as stand alone. I think this is my favourite box, first time I really like all 5 scenarios.
@aSyphodias Always great to hear you've found a favorite box!! :)
attack and damage venom with "a card you control" .
ally is a card in control?
for example
reality stone ability , discard an ally , upgrade ,or support "you control".
I definitely could be wrong. Rules are definitely open to interpretation. According to the rules reference, in my opinion, when the game asks "You" to discard or draw it refers to the player. Otherwise, "You" is your identity which also counts upgrades and events played from your hand. "You" does not count supports and allies.
If that is what they wanted I wish they would have just said, "After damage is dealt to Venom from an attack, deal the players identity a boost card."
So is "You" talking about the player, or the identity and cards the identity controls or the player. I don't know. Just playing the game the best I can.
@@DaletheCasualGamer important ting is "control" word
first play will mistaek , no problem :)
@@stockvns430 Thanks for the clarification! I read the first part as the "identity" then went with the second part as referring to cards controlled by the identity. Like I say, I live in a world on constantly being "Confused". :)
If I wasn't done with the campaign, I'd replay it.
Nice playthrough, Dale. I’m personally loving Ghost Spider! She’s seriously moving up to my top 5 after a number of plays for being versatile with most of the aspects for my play style. Will be curious to see more of your plays with her outside of the SM campaign against other villains 🙂
@JakerMaker Thanks for watching! Are you keeping Ghost Spider with protection, or moving to another aspect?
@@DaletheCasualGamer I shifted her to Aggression and then Justice. Both worked out pretty well!
The aspect card thing means you can choose any card from any aspect.. for example, you can add Maria Hill to an aggression deck. Or you can add Make the Call to the deck. It doesn't increase your hand size.
@Nolan Trapp Thanks, it made more sense after recording and I adjusted accordingly. :)
I took a hiatus from the game and jumped back in with the Sinister Motives expansion. Playing the Venom scenario today it was a little daunting keeping track of all the effects. Between the Bell 🛎, the boost cards and the usual encounter card shenanigans it felt like a bit much. Maybe it’s just me though being a little out of practice.
I am so excited for the Mutant Genesis expansion(just announced today!)-still my favorite game of all time overall but yeah, some scenarios are a little more labor intensive then others!
Glad you're back to the game! I know many players really love the set, but I can see where the extra accounting and trigger upkeep can take away from the game. And after a normal day at work, I'm done with accounting. :)
Well done.
Now is this a scenario tacked onto a theme or a theme glommed onto a scenario? Either way it’s a nice fit. The extra boost faff is a pain and the expansions additional faffinage is just getting started.
I wonder if FFG will ever give us a replacement for those poor green “everything” counters. Talk about working a double duty.
@JJE McManus Can't remember which scenario it was, but was just about out of extra counters! :)
I definitely nearly ran out of the standard token in this campaign! Between the player decks and the encounters, everything wants counters!
Ghost-Spider is amazing, I used Pirouette and Punch and Silk to filter through the Shadows of the Past and other pesky treacheries, so that was nice!
@WAH I'm assuming Silk has one treachery on her mind ... Shadow of the Past. :)
Hi Dale, keep up the good work. I noticed a few rules mishaps. As you already know as I saw you comment on it, at 10:10 Ghost Spider should have taken another boost card when her ally SM UK attacked as it is a card she controls. Not taking a boost for ally attacks happens again later and I presume the entire time-I did not have time to watch the entire video. At about 14:41, Spider Man attacked but you took no boost card.
@Jonathan Oh Thanks for watching! I put a note in the comments about attacking with allies ... and with several new things to track, it was inevitable that I would miss something. :)
@@DaletheCasualGamer Thanks Dale!
What we did for this scenario in my campaign was any damage from a card controlled by a player that is an attack would trigger venom, including ally and any hero action (attack). Only exeption we did was for dr.strange crimson band..as its a 'special' and not an 'attack'.
@eldharion That would be correct! Hope your campaign goes well! :)
Dale, have you ever built a Justice deck without Agent Coulson and Spycraft? :D
@Evan Chauvette Yes ... prior to Black Widow being released. ;)
I might be wrong, but shouldn't venom be giving you a boost card even when your allies deal damage to him?
@upgraayed. The rules for “You” would refer to your identity, upgrades and events played from your hand, and would not count supports or allies. There is more on “You” in the rules reference on Fantasy Flight Games web site. Hope that helps, and happy gaming! :)
@@DaletheCasualGamer Thanks! My mind also has the Grim Rule going, much to my own dismay :)
@@upgraayed This set is grim enough without using that rule! :)
@@DaletheCasualGamer The point is that venom state "by card you control" - so this include allies because they are under your control and they are making attacks.
Also events you playing (that has "attack") triggers venom abillity, so actually this one was made on "very easy" by you :P. Would like to rewatch it with correct gameplay
Can't wait for you to get to scenario 5 so I can see how you do it so I can make sure me and my friends were playing it correctly.
If things went horribly wrong … you did it correctly. ;)
@@DaletheCasualGamer It went horribly wrong 3 times before we finally gave up. After that we just decided to customize one hero deck and just run through all the expansions from the beginning.
@@JAWS9683 It went horribly wrong twice for me, and then I remembered I have several games on my shelf that haven't been played yet ... so found a distraction. Looking to playing with my game group, but doubt we'll get to the final battle in just one sitting next weekend. :)
@@DaletheCasualGamer Yea I get that.
When I saw that Webbed Up go on Gwen, I winced in pain. Such a terrible card for her. Just like you, I don’t know if a card like Ghost Kick resolves and triggers all her stuff or stops due to Webbed Up.
@James Arnett Still many triggers in this game I don't know the official timings or rulings, so just "home rule" and move on. :)
I'm pretty sure @Dale played it correctly
Can you do a Venom vs Venom game?
Yes I can. :)
#Dale the Casual Gamer : can you give us WM Leadership with Vision Prot vs Absorbing man Expert ??
Are you aware of my phobia of not running Aggression or Justice? ;)
Maybe ? :-) ... ok the Aspect of youre Choice .
Maybe ? :-) ... ok the Aspect of youre Choice .