Josh Allen is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. It's not the best stats award. So many things can go into stats. Can't just have stats with no context. Baltimore has the #1 separation for WRs in the league. So Lamar is throwing to wide open players. Bills have the bottom 10 in separation for WRs in the league. Allen has to make way harder throws and has to do way more for his team to win. It's as simple as that. Anyone that sees it differently is just either a Baltimore fan or Allen hater.
@@nmsoccer222 do you know why he’s throwing to wide open receivers and Derrick Henry is getting bulk yds before contact. “LAMAR FREAKIN JACKSON”, you talk like he doesn’t hold a safety/linebacker as spy every snap because of who he is. Allen has been playing bums vs Lamar playing playoff teams all season. The head to head goes to Lamar as well. Bills fans are delusional and are only chirping up because the media has them convinced Allen has a chance when I fact it’s a ruse to drum up views knowing that bunch of clowns will bite and the rest of the league is laughing at you and clapping back with facts.
Lamar has 25+ passer rating better than ANY OTHER QB when targeting not his #1 target. He's at 127, Goff is 102, Allen isn't top 5. Lamar is #1 in passer rating when passing in tight windows. Lamar is part of the REASON for the #1 separation, he extends plays better than anybody in history. I'm no Allen hater, but Allen this year, his "MVP" year, has a worse passer rating than Lamar did last year. You can cherry pick stats and leave off turnovers, yards per game, completion percentage from last year to try to make an argument that this year should be the lifetime achievement award for Allen, but it really should have no bearing on this year's MVP debate. I'll give you Allen is better in short-yardage spots. I'll also give you that Lamar fumbles more than I'd like, and Allen has less turnovers. But Allen's turnover-worthy play rate is 2x Lamar's. Of Lamar's 4 picks, ONE is his fault.. The other hit receivers' hands. Look at Baltimore's schedule. Yes, they lost to Vegas and Cleveland. Yes, they're also 7-2 against playoff teams (not including Cincy). Baltimore would be 6-10 if Allen were their quarterback this year.
@@MrAndyMahomes wow someone who understands what he sees also the qb spies on the edges opens up great inside running lanes for henry. lamar and henrys together are mismatch until teams figure out how to stop it. once baltimore used him the right way they lost like 2 games. but I still cant bet against the chiefs. they always find a way
@ the ravens let the moment get the best of them against the chiefs. Yeah they match-up well but I’m more confused by coaching as much as what the players do on the field, it’s like Andy Reid has compromising photos of John Harbough and holds him to them.
@MrAndyMahomes you want to hear facts? You act like Allen doesn't do all those same things lmfao. Lamar has a better supporting cast on offense, and it is not even close. Everyone who knows more than just 4 stats is laughing at you. Here's some knowledge for u. I'm so sick of just seeing these 4 stats and people acting like it's that simple. You're missing out on a lot of important details when you're just looking at 4 stats with no context. I'll give you some examples. Lamar actually has more turnovers than Allen. They're not showing fumbles in those stats. Lamar also has more negative plays with 32. Allen has 22. Allen's first player ever to have 40+TDs, 8 TOVs or fewer, and fewer than 20 sacks. This is all with being pressured to an identical rate that Lamar has. Bills also average 3 points, a drive which only 5 other teams have done this century with an offense that everyone thought wouldn't be good this year. Allen has accounted for 80% of his teams total yardage, while Lamar has accounted for 68%. Allen leads the league in EPA. He's doing this all without another superstar on his team. Also has a better record at 13-3. Only QB to beat both the #1 seeds in each conference. He's 2-0 against KC and Lions. The rest of the NFL is 1-29 against them. People were laughing at Allen's supporting cast to start the season, while Lamar got another MVP type player in Derrick Henry to help him. Allen has put up more points with his cast than Lamar has. Think about that. Allen is the Most Valuable Player in the league. You're biased, or just look at these 4 stats posted and think u know it all if u think otherwise. Allen has to make much harder throws because even when he's scrambling for his life his WRs still can't get open. Almost every game he has a different cast with multiple players being out. Oh and one last thing. He's done all this with a broken hand since week one. You try running and protecting the ball with a broken hand. Once again Allen is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. Idc what u or any Lamar cock rider says. Every if Allen doesn't win it it's because they didn't look into thing like I stated above. He doesn't care about MVP anyways. He cares more about his consecutive starts and winning games. Doesn't stat pad against shit teams like Lamar.
Mentioning Joe burrow in the MVP discussion this year is insanity… too many Ls on your record, and why wud we applaud you for digging yourself out a whole YOU created. Start a season better Bengals
@@JWLSports go revisit that 0-4 start , Joe had 4qtr/OT turnovers… backbreaking turnovers. And i don’t give breaks to guys we consider top 4 or elite QBs. You have a bad defense their giving up 24 a game then we need you to score 30 a night Pat did it the first 3-4 years of his career Lamar has done it all this season.
@JWLSports He lost to the Patriots. He threw a huge pick to give the Ravens the game, He fumbled against KC and was awful the first half against the Chargers. Some of it is on him.
Why does all these analysts forget Josh has been pulled in the 4th Qtr this year because they were so far ahead... He'd have even high stats if he wasnt. I read somewhere that Lamar has over 100 more attempts than Josh. What about having a running back with 1800 yards that other teams have to worry about leaving receivers wide open? How about all of Lamars Fumbles??
Simple, because Lamar has sat more 4th quarters than Josh, including in the game against him where they both sat because the Bills got stomped.. that’s not true, Josh has 40 more pass attempts than Lamar. Lamar is just one of the most efficient passers of all time which is why he has more TD. Lamar currently has the 2nd highest passer rating of all time this season over 120 just behind Aaron Rodgers, while also adding 850 rushing yards. Derrick Henry is averaging his highest yards per carry and also highest yards before contact of his career because of the Lamar Jackson effect
Lamar Had 100 more snaps before the BILLS played Sunday. Lamar still has a game's worth more snaps than Josh. Josh draws a spy too. It would be interesting to see light box % either one faces.
Also- Tannehill had very Simi stats to Lamar the last time Henry had a season this good. The combo of Lamar/ Henry is crazy to deal with. Early in the season I thought Henry should get it.
QBs don't go head-to-head or "beat" QBs. This isn't boxing or wrestling. In FOOTBALL, QBs play against DIFFERENT defenses and don't face each other at all. The "head-to-head" narrative is complete NONSENSE!
He had another throw that was dropped where he escaped the pocket and made two guys miss and threw a 30yrd ball on a rope. He sat out the entire 4Q and with those TDs he eclipsed 40 TDs for the fifth straight year
Allen had another great 40 yard throw that was called back on a terrible holding call. He's had several great plays get called back this year on penalties.
@@JohnDoe-kh6mt josh had the chance to light up the jets to secure the mvp and come closer to the other guys but didnt. if bills have a bad team like you are saying which is not true at all i think they a good team then its on the management why should guys who put up historic numbers like barkley, lamar and burrow not get rewarded because someone else is carrying a team that makes zero sense. then all of peyton mannings mvps, bradys mvps he had gronk, rodgers mvp he had multiple 1k receivers are not legit? i am a stop arguing with bills fans makes no sense
Burrow wouldn't be willing his team in they would sneak in because other teams fail miserably. Burrow has played amazing. But team success is definitely a factor
I was wrong, but saying Burrow has better numbers is a stretch. Here are their numbers. Joe Burrow: Total YDS: 4,843 Total TDS: 44 Pass rating: 109.8 QBR: 76.7 Lamar: Total YDS: 4,807 Total TDS: 43 Pass rating: 121.6 QBR: 77.9 Burrow has also played significant snaps than Lamar.
@karisa1022 True, but then he might end up scoring less and throwing for fewer yards, if he gets pulled in the 4th q like Josh when the game is out of reach. Playing from behind usually causes a higher need for accumulating yards and TDS. That’s what I was trying to say. Our game against the Rams is an example.
@@bherylkuebler986Lamar sat out 4 games in the 4th, including the games against Josh.. I hope you not counting that 4th quarter Josh sat out vs the ravens😂😂😂😂
Wouldnt be earned same as mahomes wouldnt. Lamar , burrow and saquan had better seasons overall. Josh had some stinkers this season that messed up his stats. Josh is 24th in completion %
@karisa1022 dont matter we talking about regular season awards. allen shouldnt be mvp when multiple guys like lamar, burrow and barkley putting up historic stats. one of them deserve it
@karisa1022 Lamar also is 7-2 against teams in playoff, not including Cincinnati. Allen is 3-3 I believe. Lamar is about to break the ALLTIME passer rating record. Allen has a worse completion percentage than Will Levis.
I had that same prediction too. It really should've been a more popular opinion for many because we saw this sort of play out already with Mahomes' performance after the Hill trade. This is a little bit similar imo
@ yep for sure. I personally hope Saquon wins it, but it’s tough for any non QB to win. Maybe Lamar and Josh will cancel each other out lol. Saquon came out of nowhere and is on track for 2K rushing yards if he hasn’t gotten it already?
I don’t know why your post keeps hitting my TL but you are so wrong on Lamar. Now you don’t think that Burrow having (2) #1 WR matters to his MVP case. We watched Josh Allen play terrible against the Patriots and the media dismissed it and now he plays the Jets and he secured the MVP? Hypocrites as usual. Lamar should get MVP because he is 3-0 against Allen and Burrow. Now head to head doesn’t count. How about Lamar helping the DC because he is new by his play? How about Allen going 9/30 against the Texans and the team trading for Cooper to help Josh? Seems like a lot of the media dismissed Allen’s help on the offensive end because he was smoked by Lamar and the Ravens. Last year, no one used the criteria of doing more with less when Lamar won the MVP. Terrible take.
I’m a Lamar fan. I don’t care about him getting MVP… I do think he deserve it because he has the most of all the criteria. Stats team success against odds… all of that. People discredit his contribution because his supporting cast but literally none of that would be the case without Lamar. Zay flowers is a 2nd year receiver that Lamar makes better. Henry is an aged rb with amazing talent but he is on a snap count restriction that every person hates but his age as a runner is more important than we care about. And the running game is literally the same as it was last year without him. Bateman is newly a decent #2 but we all know until this year nobody considered him helpful. The defense has been as bad as Joes. Lamar is the most valuable in the same way Steph is. People get open by association… not the other way around.
Ok let’s put that into perspective… Henry is about to have one of his best seasons rushing in his career… while Lamar is rushing about the same as he did last year. Henry has more yards before first contact than he has ever had in his career. And he is 600 yards more than he was last year… who actually improved the others contributions?
Flowers has played 79% of the snaps, Bateman 69%, Henry 56%.....you know which receiver is on the field most for the Bills? Mack Hollins at 64%. Ya, the 5 teams in 8 years Mack Hollins. Cook has only played 46% of the teams snaps...a young guy not on an old man "snap count". Henry has almost 1,800 rushing yards, almost 800 more than Cook does. Don't try to tell me he's not a gigantic upgrade from the 800 yards Gus Edward was last year. If not from the name value alone, but the extra 1,000 yards he's put on the field, it makes everyone's job around him exponentially easier.
@@nicksousanidis3742 Mahomes winning the MVP this year would be like giving Tom Brady the MVP in 2003. Brady had the best record in 2003, but his numbers were significantly worse than some of the other best players who were moreso legitimately in the MVP race
Baltimore has the best separation by WRs in the league. Bills are in the bottom ten. Just showing stats with no context mean nothing. Allen has also got to sit out six 4th quarters. Doesn't have a true #1 WR. The fact he has the Bills at 13-3 makes him the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league! It's not beat stats award. If it was Lamar wouldn't even be in the top 5 last year.
@nmsoccer222 If you look at the stats (not including yesterday) over 20% of Allen's passing yards is actually Shakirs YAC yards. By your logic, Joe Montana was never anything more than a mediocre QB because he spent years playing with a backfield full of Pro Bowlers and HOFers.
@unadulteratedtruth8716 What i stated was facts. What u just said made no sense 💀😂. Lamar literally got the MVP with way worse stats last year, and now u just want to go based on stats for this season because it helps his narrative? Can't have it both ways. Once again, Allen is the most valuable player in the league. Put an average QB on Baltimore and the same on Buffalo, and I bet u Baltimore has a way better record.
@nmsoccer222 My bad... That was actually another calculation. But here are the numbers. As of right now, Allen has 3731 passing yards. Before 182 yesterday, he had 3549 passing yards. Shakir has 597 YAC yards., 572 before yesterday. That 572 is 16% of Allen's total. The Bills as a team have 2083 YAC yards which is 55% of Allen's 3731. By contrast, the Ravens team YAC total is 1963 of Lamar's 3955, which is 49%. If Lamar's receivers are so fast and elusive, and Allen's receivers are snails, how is the Ravens receivers vet slower after they have the ball in their hands?
The whole MVP concept is arbitrary. Separating players into tiers, however, makes sense--since its easier to identify a group clearly on a level above the next tier. What a number of players have accomplished this year is incredible. Hats off to Darnold & Goff. Lamar Jackson clearly outperformed his prior MVP seasons. Josh Allen has been a total monster. Saquon Barkley -- bravo. And Joe Burrow playing insanely great has been let down by the front office, the coaching staff, and the defense.
Allen had easily the best stats last year but he didn't win it because Lamar was the 1 seed and Allen had the 2. Allen deserves it due to losing Diggs and Gabe and having the better record.
They never mention that Josh Allen sat out four games in the fourth quarter because the bills already had the game win. How many more passing yards and stat padding would he have if he played those quarters as well?
Allen had 2 plays yesterday where he ran around, backwards, sideways, up down etc and made 2 ridiculous throws that his his receivers in the friggin chest and they dropped them. If EITHER were completed they’d be in the play of the year conversation. But since they were dropped, literal drops, nothing. Also, Bills have zero thousand yard anything this year
But Josh and the Bills only had a 3 % chance to make the playoffs last year and ended up winning the division. He shoulda won the MVP last year and had better stats than Lamar last year. Crazy
Allen had 44tds to Lamars 29 last year and they gave it to Lamar because he had a better record and less turnovers. Now this year you're switching it around, you and the rest of crows are are hypocrites
no.1 Lamar got a something close to a pity MVP last year (it was more of a fuckit, no one deserves it just give it to the QB with the best record type of thing). his stats were atrocious, he wasn't top 10 in anything except rushing yards. and he tapped out in the playoffs immediately... again; so don't give me this shit that JA would get a "pitymvp" no.2 Lamar has a 2000 yard rusher on his team and 2 WRs and an absolute first ballot HOF tight end on his team. so don't give me this shit that Lamar has less help, he has far more help then JA, who i might remind you has ZERO 1000 yard anything on his team this year. the WR with the most receiving TDs is Mack Hollins, and the WR with the most receptions and yards is Shakir with 78/780 ish. no.3 JA gets a hell of a lot less from his special teams and defense then Lamar gets no.4 JA beat patrick mahomes... Again. something i don't think Lamar has ever done. no.5 JA has multiple comebacks from double digits down this year. something I don't think Lamar has ever done. Listen, the MVP isn't a "who has the most numbers" award. If anything last year's MVP for lamar should be proof of that. He won it because the ravens were the best team (record wise) in the league last year. not because he had the numbers advantage of anyone. in fact there were plenty of bills fans claiming JA should have won it last year because he had significantly better numbers then Lamar. I'm not a LJ hater, I think he's a great dude, and a tribute to baltimore and their fans. he's a face of this league too. he's also a hell of a football player, in many ways he's who michael vick wished he was. Right now Josh Allen is on a historic 5 year run at QB, that might be the most statistically dominant from any QB over a 5 year period of time. He knocked down another 4000 yard 40 td season. He did it playing 1.5 less games then lamar (he's been pulled out before the 4th q, 6 times this year. something that has never happened once to lamar. If JA was removed from a single game there is no chance in hell the bills would beat anyone but the worst teams in the league. That is the definition of Most Valuable. Furthermore though the bills are much less talented then the ravens Now if we want to look at pure numbers THIS YEAR, now that lamar is finally beating allen statistically, we see the ravens fans suddenly caring about passing numbers. stow it please.
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Name any other year when the mvp has been discussed like this? IT'S ONLY BECAUSE JOSH WILL WIN!!! And now the haters are coming out of the woodwork 😂. Smh #Go Bills. #BuffaloVsEverybody
Great point. I have been saying all year that Henry is a legit MVP candidate, not just for production. It is a whole philosophy shift for opposing defenses where they have to commit to Henry, opening up gaps, lanes, etc where Lamar has 5-6 defenders to read instead of 8.
Historical president matter but not how Brou explained it, the president that matters is that Lamar won last year with the numbers. I don't think having two MVP'S already should come into play at all. To me it's stats, record, and supporting cast which gives the nod to Allen.
I personally don't think Barkley should even be In the conversation. OJ broke 2000 yards in 14 games, Dickerson in 16 games and it will take Barkley 17 games to break the record. How many yards would OJ of had with 3 more games. Barkley has had a great year but not a MVP season
@@Logan-ee5rx allen fans might be worse then lebron fans no cap. If saquan breaks a 40 year old record he deserves to win imo. I also bet saquan to win mvp @ +1500 😂😏
@@MarioDemita-y9z that's why people compare the NFL MVP somewhat to the Heisman. You can have those big "Heisman" type moments in bigger games to where it helps you win the biggest individual award
Correction, if its head to head, allen beat mahomes. Also its hard to go by just stats, lamar has had 100 more snaps than allen. On average thats about a game and a half more, plus allen might sit next week and lamar will get further ahead in stats.
Josh Will Be The 1st Player To Ever Win MVP With Having Neither: 1. The Best Individual Stats At His Position 2. His Team Having A Top 2 Record In The League Josh Will Finish The Year With Neither, & May Still Win The MVP… That Is Literally Unprecedented
I keep saying this expectations should have important on the MVP. We all expected Saquon and the Eagles to be good. We all expected the ravens adding Derek Henry that offense to be special. No one in the media or the average fan thought the bills would be good this year. Everyone said it’s the Jets and dolphins year.
I’d go with saquon. It’s good for the league to see someone other than a qb win it. If saquon doesn’t win it, especially if he breaks the record, than you’ll never see a non qb win it ever again. He’s had about as great of a season a running back can possibly have. It’s boring if the mvp becomes a qb only award.
Lamar vs Allen Ignored Lamar stats last year so can’t be the main or only qualifier now. Lamar better team around him esp Henry. Barkley vs Pitt 65 Yards 0 TD and his team still dominated Vs Commanders before Hurts left 120 yards 2 TDs. Once Hurts left 30 rushing yards 0 TDs and his team lost. How can these thing be true and Barkley still be MVP? He’s not even MVP on his own team. That team still runs through Hurts. Hell of a season for all of them guys but Allen is the biggest difference maker for his team and the NFL. Winner is Allen 🎉
I believe all great QBs elevate the performance of their team mates. lamar and Josh are very good at this. sll things being equal, Lamar is MVP again. I have watched him pass and run better than all other QBs in history, this season. His numbers and stats prove it.
Josh is about to win a "here damn" MVP just like Embiid did in 2023. Just becaue Lamar has 2 MVPs already doesnt make him less deserving of winning it again this year. That where my frustration is coming from because it seems that a lot of people is choosing based on who hasnt won already. And imo that just dumb. Just vote for the guy you think has been better period
If Saquon doesn't win after breaking Dickerson's record, then it is a travesty! Just rename the MVP as the Best QB Award at that point. Saquon is set to break a 40 YEAR RECORD! The QBs these years are putting up just another top QB performance year, nothing special, nothing like the 5000 yards 50 TDs we were seeing previously. AND Saquon crushed Lamar when they went up against eachother... Enough said. Saquon is MVP, hands down!!
Josh Allen is the MVP and it is not even close. Did the Ravens beat the Chiefs , did the Bengals? Josh beat the Top teams in both conferences at the time. Also , Josh does not have a 1,000 RB , TE or WR on his team . I repeat Josh is the only one without a 1,000 yard WR , RB or TE on his team . Yet he has over 4,000 yards and 40 TDs with 6 into and only 2 fumbles lost. Plus he is undefeated at home . PUS Josh has 50 less snaps that Lamar because he blew teams out. Also Josh won 13 games .
Josh allen threw to 14 different players for a touchdown this year lmao one has jamarr chase and tee higgins and the other has a hall of fame runningback lmaoo
What is the historic precedent category and why is Lamar 3rd? Is this a way to say since he’s already won then historic precedent would suggest awarding it to someone else? None of these guys been to sb so idk what else they could be talking about historical precedent…
@@rcud1 Burrow has 164 more passing attempts with just 3 more passing TDs. While Lamar has over 800 yds rushing, 4 fewer INTs, and most importantly two head to head wins against burrow….
The fact you all keep putting Burrow in the convo tells me a lot about this being feelings over facts he is not an MVP candidate stop it his team is straggling to get in the playoffs and majority of their loses were his fault so why is he an MVP for putting the house on fire then trying to put out the fire. You have 2 legitimate candidates Lamar and Josh that's it nobody else smh
Saquan is only 100 yards away from tying Dickerson's record of 2,105 yards in a season. Last game of the season with a chance to break the record going against the team that gave up on him, the Giants. He's going to play, I'd bet! But man, if he ended up injured😢, Soriano would have h3ll to pay.
It's a statistical fact that Lamar Jackson's receivers have been open more than Josh or Burrow. Lamar only has like 45 difficult throw attempts on the season and Josh and Burrow literally have double the attempts
@@jametrieharris8005 the degree of difficulty is a factor. Lamar throwing to wide open receivers isn't as impressive as Allen or burrow throwing lasers into tight windows
@ he’s leading in those throws ! This is why I can’t have a simple conversation with y’all fans .. yall literally making shit up to build a case for Allen it’s sad. Go look shit up before you reply like your spitting facts
It's like I already said a while ago. I don't think the media fully wants to give the MVP to Josh Allen, particularly someone like Nick Wright. Sam Darnold is someone that this dude has crucified all year & now at the end of the season damn near, NOW you want to acknowledge him as a possible MVP ? Where was that energy weeks ago ? That's how we know he's truly grasping for straws. It's gotten to the point where he's throwing in guys that he's far from supportive of to muddy the waters for Josh Allen. It should be pretty clear now, Julian lmao. Did it weeks ago with Goff & now with Darnold 😂😂
Nick Wright is in an awkward spot this year. He really doesn't want either Lamar or Josh to win MVP because he doesn't like people comparing the 2 of them to his boyfriend Pat, so he now claims 7 people could win the award which is something he just came up with this week. I think most people would be fine with Lamar or Josh winning it this year.
It don't matter, how many mvp he have , superbowl is a team achievement. Lamar can play great and still lose the superbowl because it's other players involve.
@@acephas3say what you will about the win loss column, it’s a team sport. Josh has consistently played excellent in the playoffs which can’t be said about Lamar
@@bmxney3143bro the ultimate goal is to win in the playoffs 😂 not play good BUT LOSE 😂 BRO YOU JOSH ALLEN FANBOYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YALL ARE THE REASON WE SAY JOSH ALLEN IS OVERRATED AND A LOSER
@@jametrieharris8005Josh Allen has sat out literally 5 4th quarters this year and he's not playing next week. Maybe start just to keep his streak alive. Numbers lie. You people know nothing about sports at all, let alone football
Joe burrow can’t be in this discussion tbh. Lamar beat him twice in head to head. They both have very bad defenses at least the ravens did in the beginning of the year. There is just no way to make the case for him over Lamar
If Josh Allen Had 6 Rushing TD’s Instead Of 15, Literally Nobody Would Be Calling Him The MVP Favorite… So Basically, Nine 1-Yard Push Tush Touchdowns Are The Difference Between Being The MVP & NOT Being The MVP
you got the 9 one yard push TD's by subtracting 6 from 15? Or at least it looks like that's exactly what you did. So I have 3 comments for you: 1) do you really know how many of his 15 running TD's were from 1 or 2 yds? 2) what if they were; are short yardage passing TD's somehow more valuable than short yardage running TD's. 3) You're suggesting that Allen's rushing TD's are in effect him padding his stats. I couldn't disagree more. I think Cook is a very good RB but the Bills really don't have a short yardage back so by default Allen gets the job because he's very good at it.
@ All Wins Aren’t Valued Equally… The Bills Beating The Chiefs Was A Way More Meaningful Win Than The Bills Beating The Pats… That Exact Same Philosophy Applies To Yards & Touchdowns 300 Passing Yards When You’re Dominating A Great Team, Is Not The Same As 300 Passing Yards When You’re Getting Blown Out & Picking Up 120 Yards In Garbage Time When The Game Is Already Outta Hand Josh’s Tush Push TD’s Work The Same Way… Lamar’s 4 TD’s = 76 yards… Josh’s 13 TD’s = 70 yards… All TD’s ain’t worth equal value… A Bunch Of 1 Yard Tush Pushes Will Influence The Stat Sheet & Record Book But That Shit Ain’t Influencing My MVP Decisions. I Actually Watch Games… The OLine Pushing You Into The Endzone To Boost Your Stats Doesn’t Make You Anymore Valuable
@@ZimMill It's neat the way you ignored my first question about how many of the 15 rushing TD's were of the 1 yard type. You seem to suggest they all are 1 yard push TD's. Must be you missed that 26 yard one he scored against the Chiefs on 4th down to make it a 2 score game. Scoring a TD in the red zone is an important stat I think most people don't care whether you get into the end zone by running it in or via a pass - they're both worth 6 points.
The fact joe burrow gets credit for having great offensive weapons but Lamar get dinged for having Derrick Henry its wild. The media members are very narrative driven when it comes to the award so i already know josh Allen will get it. Even tho josh Allen has a way better supporting cast than the media and certain people like to admit
The best player Josh Allen has on his team as support may actually be his tackle Dion Dawkins. Other QBs in the MVP race probably have a better skill position weapon as their lead dog than Allen does. Mahomes has Kelce. Lamar has Derrick Henry. Burrow has Chase. Saquon obviously had Hurts and AJ Brown. Allen's best skill weapon is Amari Cooper I think. Very solid and reliable WR, but nowhere close to those other guys I mentioned
@jctslice that entire offensive line is awesome. James cook averages over 5 yards a carry and often has to score 10 to 15 yards out because Josh does that hurts crap and QB sneaks it in when they are on the Goaline. Kinkad,knox,Shakir, cooper, and Coleman are terrific players. When the bills and josh Allen turned their season around last year and started hot this year was based off the formula of running the ball more, spreading the ball around and let Josh make up the difference. That offense doesn't require Josh to sit back and throw it 40 times and run all over the field. But people won't admit he has good pieces around him
It's either Josh Allen or Lamar. I personally give the edge to Lamar since hes been the best player but Josh is deserving as well Borrow's stats are not better than Lamar. Lamar has higher QBR, higher QB rating and less turnovers. 2nd highest passer rating all-time. Head to head is a factor when youve narrowed it down to a few candidates. Joe does have some blame as well with the Patriots loss and the pick against the Ravens as well.
Lamar has better stats, but he hasn't played better than josh. Lamar is almost a game manager, whole josh has to carry the offense and has a bad defense to work with as well
@jametrieharris8005 I can see this is all ravens fans going to say when he win it u know allen is the only qb in history to have 40tds 5 years straight he beat kc something no one else did including Jackson and the top seed lions but when I hope they play each other in round 2 when the bills beat them will shut ravens fans up
Not in this game. Josh didn’t play that well. It’s Lamar’s, but he has to be rationalized against. No one with Lamar’s passer rating loses. He’d be the first.
Since when is that the criteria? Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerin James etc.. Aaron Rodgers had Greg Jenning, Jordy Nelson, Davantae Adams etc.. that never had any bearing on them winning MVP
It's a different era, where the QB is the most leverereged position by alot. McCaffrey should have won it last year because the niners were trash before he showed up, and the offense basically ran through him runnning and catching, and no QB really put up great stats.
So if ur arguing that u can’t hold Joe Burrows supporting weapons against his case then u can’t say that Josh Allen having less is an argument because then you would have double standards Lamar Jackson won against both those guys and trouched that Texans Defense that Josh Allen couldn’t do anything against ur saying Lamar shouldn’t win it based on what?
MVP case should start with the schedule who are u beating is very important in the discussion…. If im beating on sorry teams and your battling n beating on good teams how am I better then u especially if u have better stats n fighting tougher competition
Joe Burrow does not have better stats than Lamar I have no idea why people keep saying that . Lamar has more total yards and is leading in every advanced metric .
Julian W. Lucas Sport you did not make a case why Josh Allen should win MVP, we need more explanation than just say Josh will win it. How is Lamar not the front runner? His play all season has been historic. Lamar stats are better. Help me understand this.
Oh last year stats didn't matter. If they did Lamar probably has the worst stats ever for a QB winning MVP, except for maybe back in the day when passing wasn't as prevalent! But his team won 13 games. Now this year it's all about stats. Y'all just love to change the narrative for who y'all want to win MVP! So what is it? Great stats or team success? How about both. Josh's team has had a better year and he has enough "stats"! Please make up your mind
I think Lamar, Burrow and Josh are equally "valuable" to their teams. Lamar and Burrow have had to play perfect games in order to win. They both have had to overcome, terrible defenses, bad kicking, bad coaching, etc. Even though Josh is playing great and doing alot to carry the offense, I don't agree that he has "less". He is playing with a lot of good young players who haven't made a name for themselves yet, so they seem like nobodies. But if you watch Cook, Kincaid, and Coleman play they are not bad by any measure.
Cook, Kincaid, and Coleman are not close to Chase and Higgins or Henry, Andrews, and Flowers. Chase has 1.6k yards by himself; Coleman and Kincaid combined have less than 1k. Henry has 1.8k yards by himself; Cook has 1.2k
@@Seanksb and Coleman looks like he has alot of potential. And they have A proven vet in Amari Cooper. The playoffs will give them an opportunity to prove themselves honestly.
First of all el dummo! Diggs got hurt for the season and Gabe Davis missed some time. Also going from Josh Allen to Trevor Lawrence is a huge difference. Nice way to try to manipulate! Davis doing worse actually shows how good Allen is.
Also. Josh Allen doesn't have a 1000 yard receiver this year either. So if he didn't lose any support he certainly didn't gain any. Think before you speak guy
@@jermainezinnerman7450 what it shows is that Gabe Davis is just a guy and no loss, so saying Allen lost anything in the off season isn’t a real thing. The bills dumped Stefan Diggs cause he didn’t want to play with Allen watching balls go to the oops as many times as he got rec.
@@jermainezinnerman7450 maybe you should think before you speak as you contradicted yourself. Also don’t try manipulate the fact the strength of schedule helps the bills win games, you guys lost the head to head and don’t even have the stats. The ravens lost half their defense coaches including their DC (now a HC) their oline coach tragically in training camp and are the most penalised team in the league forcing Lamar to play his ass off against harder opps. Let’s not forget that Gardner minshew played better than Allen did vs the ravens than when he played them. He was out classed and out matched. Playing bums all season, padding stats on Qb sneaks and only beating 2 playoff teams doesn’t make him good.
Josh Allen is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. It's not the best stats award. So many things can go into stats. Can't just have stats with no context. Baltimore has the #1 separation for WRs in the league. So Lamar is throwing to wide open players. Bills have the bottom 10 in separation for WRs in the league. Allen has to make way harder throws and has to do way more for his team to win. It's as simple as that. Anyone that sees it differently is just either a Baltimore fan or Allen hater.
@@nmsoccer222 do you know why he’s throwing to wide open receivers and Derrick Henry is getting bulk yds before contact. “LAMAR FREAKIN JACKSON”, you talk like he doesn’t hold a safety/linebacker as spy every snap because of who he is. Allen has been playing bums vs Lamar playing playoff teams all season. The head to head goes to Lamar as well. Bills fans are delusional and are only chirping up because the media has them convinced Allen has a chance when I fact it’s a ruse to drum up views knowing that bunch of clowns will bite and the rest of the league is laughing at you and clapping back with facts.
Lamar has 25+ passer rating better than ANY OTHER QB when targeting not his #1 target. He's at 127, Goff is 102, Allen isn't top 5.
Lamar is #1 in passer rating when passing in tight windows.
Lamar is part of the REASON for the #1 separation, he extends plays better than anybody in history.
I'm no Allen hater, but Allen this year, his "MVP" year, has a worse passer rating than Lamar did last year. You can cherry pick stats and leave off turnovers, yards per game, completion percentage from last year to try to make an argument that this year should be the lifetime achievement award for Allen, but it really should have no bearing on this year's MVP debate.
I'll give you Allen is better in short-yardage spots. I'll also give you that Lamar fumbles more than I'd like, and Allen has less turnovers. But Allen's turnover-worthy play rate is 2x Lamar's. Of Lamar's 4 picks, ONE is his fault.. The other hit receivers' hands.
Look at Baltimore's schedule. Yes, they lost to Vegas and Cleveland. Yes, they're also 7-2 against playoff teams (not including Cincy). Baltimore would be 6-10 if Allen were their quarterback this year.
@@MrAndyMahomes wow someone who understands what he sees also the qb spies on the edges opens up great inside running lanes for henry. lamar and henrys together are mismatch until teams figure out how to stop it. once baltimore used him the right way they lost like 2 games. but I still cant bet against the chiefs. they always find a way
@ the ravens let the moment get the best of them against the chiefs. Yeah they match-up well but I’m more confused by coaching as much as what the players do on the field, it’s like Andy Reid has compromising photos of John Harbough and holds him to them.
@MrAndyMahomes you want to hear facts? You act like Allen doesn't do all those same things lmfao. Lamar has a better supporting cast on offense, and it is not even close. Everyone who knows more than just 4 stats is laughing at you. Here's some knowledge for u. I'm so sick of just seeing these 4 stats and people acting like it's that simple. You're missing out on a lot of important details when you're just looking at 4 stats with no context. I'll give you some examples. Lamar actually has more turnovers than Allen. They're not showing fumbles in those stats. Lamar also has more negative plays with 32. Allen has 22. Allen's first player ever to have 40+TDs, 8 TOVs or fewer, and fewer than 20 sacks. This is all with being pressured to an identical rate that Lamar has. Bills also average 3 points, a drive which only 5 other teams have done this century with an offense that everyone thought wouldn't be good this year. Allen has accounted for 80% of his teams total yardage, while Lamar has accounted for 68%. Allen leads the league in EPA. He's doing this all without another superstar on his team. Also has a better record at 13-3. Only QB to beat both the #1 seeds in each conference. He's 2-0 against KC and Lions. The rest of the NFL is 1-29 against them. People were laughing at Allen's supporting cast to start the season, while Lamar got another MVP type player in Derrick Henry to help him. Allen has put up more points with his cast than Lamar has. Think about that. Allen is the Most Valuable Player in the league. You're biased, or just look at these 4 stats posted and think u know it all if u think otherwise. Allen has to make much harder throws because even when he's scrambling for his life his WRs still can't get open. Almost every game he has a different cast with multiple players being out. Oh and one last thing. He's done all this with a broken hand since week one. You try running and protecting the ball with a broken hand. Once again Allen is the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league. Idc what u or any Lamar cock rider says. Every if Allen doesn't win it it's because they didn't look into thing like I stated above. He doesn't care about MVP anyways. He cares more about his consecutive starts and winning games. Doesn't stat pad against shit teams like Lamar.
Mentioning Joe burrow in the MVP discussion this year is insanity… too many Ls on your record, and why wud we applaud you for digging yourself out a whole YOU created. Start a season better Bengals
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He didn't create it. His defense and field goal kicker did. Nice try though
@@JWLSports go revisit that 0-4 start , Joe had 4qtr/OT turnovers… backbreaking turnovers. And i don’t give breaks to guys we consider top 4 or elite QBs. You have a bad defense their giving up 24 a game then we need you to score 30 a night Pat did it the first 3-4 years of his career Lamar has done it all this season.
@JWLSports He lost to the Patriots. He threw a huge pick to give the Ravens the game, He fumbled against KC and was awful the first half against the Chargers. Some of it is on him.
Exactly!! It’s insanity. Then to mention Sam Darnold…is just crazy but the media kills Lamar for having his supporting cast.
Why does all these analysts forget Josh has been pulled in the 4th Qtr this year because they were so far ahead... He'd have even high stats if he wasnt. I read somewhere that Lamar has over 100 more attempts than Josh. What about having a running back with 1800 yards that other teams have to worry about leaving receivers wide open? How about all of Lamars Fumbles??
Simple, because Lamar has sat more 4th quarters than Josh, including in the game against him where they both sat because the Bills got stomped.. that’s not true, Josh has 40 more pass attempts than Lamar. Lamar is just one of the most efficient passers of all time which is why he has more TD. Lamar currently has the 2nd highest passer rating of all time this season over 120 just behind Aaron Rodgers, while also adding 850 rushing yards. Derrick Henry is averaging his highest yards per carry and also highest yards before contact of his career because of the Lamar Jackson effect
Lamar Had 100 more snaps before the BILLS played Sunday. Lamar still has a game's worth more snaps than Josh. Josh draws a spy too. It would be interesting to see light box % either one faces.
Also- Tannehill had very Simi stats to Lamar the last time Henry had a season this good. The combo of Lamar/ Henry is crazy to deal with. Early in the season I thought Henry should get it.
Burrow has no case: Drew Bress didnt win in 08 in spite of nearly breaking Marino's record
The Bills are 13-3. Nobody expected Buffalo to even win the division. Head to Head, Allen beat Mahomes
Talk about that Lamar Allen match up because that will be round 2 of the playoffs and I guarantee THE RAVENS ARE GOING TO VIOLATE AGAIN HAHAHAHAHA
@@Yamatha69 If that happens I guarantee you it'll be Derrick Henry and NOT Lamar
@@rajkaranvirk7525Lamar had 3 touchdowns on these cun$s Allen had 0
@@rajkaranvirk7525😂😂😂 Josh Allen got beat by the 32 ranked pass defense 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 & went 9/30 against the Texans
QBs don't go head-to-head or "beat" QBs. This isn't boxing or wrestling. In FOOTBALL, QBs play against DIFFERENT defenses and don't face each other at all. The "head-to-head" narrative is complete NONSENSE!
The throw to cooper had to be in that exact small window and it had the perfect touch
It’s Amari copper not Dionte Johnson😂
He had another throw that was dropped where he escaped the pocket and made two guys miss and threw a 30yrd ball on a rope.
He sat out the entire 4Q and with those TDs he eclipsed 40 TDs for the fifth straight year
Allen had another great 40 yard throw that was called back on a terrible holding call. He's had several great plays get called back this year on penalties.
2 jump ball TDs and a tush push lol.
@ hahahaha too funny.
Buffalo doesn't have a 1k yard receiver or rusher this year, and the Bills have averaged over 31 points a game for the season.
Allen is the MVP.
Cook almost has 1k yards and leads the league in tds for runningbacks
@DD-rk6kn lmao almost in 16 games when Henry and Barkley have almost 2k 😭
@@JohnDoe-kh6mt josh had the chance to light up the jets to secure the mvp and come closer to the other guys but didnt. if bills have a bad team like you are saying which is not true at all i think they a good team then its on the management why should guys who put up historic numbers like barkley, lamar and burrow not get rewarded because someone else is carrying a team that makes zero sense. then all of peyton mannings mvps, bradys mvps he had gronk, rodgers mvp he had multiple 1k receivers are not legit? i am a stop arguing with bills fans makes no sense
@DD-rk6kn it onky makes zero sense to someone without any.
@@DD-rk6knthat’s not impressive that’s about 60 yards a game
Burrow wouldn't be willing his team in they would sneak in because other teams fail miserably. Burrow has played amazing. But team success is definitely a factor
I was wrong, but saying Burrow has better numbers is a stretch.
Here are their numbers.
Joe Burrow:
Total YDS: 4,843
Total TDS: 44
Pass rating: 109.8
QBR: 76.7
Lamar:
Total YDS: 4,807
Total TDS: 43
Pass rating: 121.6
QBR: 77.9
Burrow has also played significant snaps than Lamar.
Not burrow lmao burrow individuals are better than Lamar's. More tds and total yards even counting rushing
@kinleyiscute 8 Interceptions though... I'm sure those contributed to some of Burrows losses. Turnovers matter.
Burrow is also always playing from behind due to poor defense. Accumulates TDs and yards
@saraegan1757 maybe if he scored early, he wouldn't be playing from behind
@karisa1022 True, but then he might end up scoring less and throwing for fewer yards, if he gets pulled in the 4th q like Josh when the game is out of reach. Playing from behind usually causes a higher need for accumulating yards and TDS. That’s what I was trying to say. Our game against the Rams is an example.
Without JA17, we are not in the playoffs. Period. Josh is MVP. I dont understand the hate and disrespect. We don't trash Lamar or Saquan.
Joe has like 150 more pass attempts than Josh & Lamar
Josh sat 5 quarters because we were ahead.
@@bherylkuebler986Lamar sat out 4 games in the 4th, including the games against Josh.. I hope you not counting that 4th quarter Josh sat out vs the ravens😂😂😂😂
Lamar has Derick henry
@@Surinder1964 Josh had Stephon diggs.. now it’s a problem?😂😂😂 yall are jokes
No rush game dummy. Ravens have henry and bills have cook who has the most tds as a rb
I think it’s Josh and no one should be mad about it. This year we have so many choices.
Wouldnt be earned same as mahomes wouldnt. Lamar , burrow and saquan had better seasons overall. Josh had some stinkers this season that messed up his stats. Josh is 24th in completion %
@@DD-rk6kn and lamar lost to Cleveland and Vegas. And he'll choke in the playoffs like always. Give it up
@karisa1022 dont matter we talking about regular season awards. allen shouldnt be mvp when multiple guys like lamar, burrow and barkley putting up historic stats. one of them deserve it
@karisa1022 Lamar also is 7-2 against teams in playoff, not including Cincinnati. Allen is 3-3 I believe.
Lamar is about to break the ALLTIME passer rating record. Allen has a worse completion percentage than Will Levis.
So, is co-MVP on the table bc that’s what it looks like this is headed.
People are tired of Lamar for obvious reasons and Josh Allen will win it due to that
obvious reasons being he's too good? 😅
No Josh will win it because he’s the best player on the planet
@ he’s not but top 3 forsure he’ll get the Joel Embiid mvp/ harden sympathy
@@tonymac1224no he's not
@@youngdb9446he is you are just a pathetic hater
I guessed Allen would win MPV during the offseason after Diggs left 😂
I had that same prediction too. It really should've been a more popular opinion for many because we saw this sort of play out already with Mahomes' performance after the Hill trade. This is a little bit similar imo
I didn’t think he would play like this. Great call
@ yep for sure. I personally hope Saquon wins it, but it’s tough for any non QB to win. Maybe Lamar and Josh will cancel each other out lol. Saquon came out of nowhere and is on track for 2K rushing yards if he hasn’t gotten it already?
Same
Well then you guessed wrong
Cause Lamar is winning mvp
Each week Bro is in full blown azzhole mode. Pains this jerk to say Allen is worthy.
Idk, he said Allen deserves MVP based on his math. He's a Raven's guy so he's at least trying to be objective
If thats the case baker should be in conversation.. baker been cooking this season.. he definitely earning his contract 😂
I don’t know why your post keeps hitting my TL but you are so wrong on Lamar. Now you don’t think that Burrow having (2) #1 WR matters to his MVP case. We watched Josh Allen play terrible against the Patriots and the media dismissed it and now he plays the Jets and he secured the MVP? Hypocrites as usual. Lamar should get MVP because he is 3-0 against Allen and Burrow. Now head to head doesn’t count. How about Lamar helping the DC because he is new by his play? How about Allen going 9/30 against the Texans and the team trading for Cooper to help Josh? Seems like a lot of the media dismissed Allen’s help on the offensive end because he was smoked by Lamar and the Ravens. Last year, no one used the criteria of doing more with less when Lamar won the MVP. Terrible take.
I’m a Lamar fan. I don’t care about him getting MVP… I do think he deserve it because he has the most of all the criteria. Stats team success against odds… all of that. People discredit his contribution because his supporting cast but literally none of that would be the case without Lamar. Zay flowers is a 2nd year receiver that Lamar makes better. Henry is an aged rb with amazing talent but he is on a snap count restriction that every person hates but his age as a runner is more important than we care about. And the running game is literally the same as it was last year without him. Bateman is newly a decent #2 but we all know until this year nobody considered him helpful. The defense has been as bad as Joes. Lamar is the most valuable in the same way Steph is. People get open by association… not the other way around.
My guy Henry is gonna have a 2k yard season lmfao
@@johnalbone30192300 yrds in one game ?
Ok let’s put that into perspective… Henry is about to have one of his best seasons rushing in his career… while Lamar is rushing about the same as he did last year. Henry has more yards before first contact than he has ever had in his career. And he is 600 yards more than he was last year… who actually improved the others contributions?
Flowers has played 79% of the snaps, Bateman 69%, Henry 56%.....you know which receiver is on the field most for the Bills? Mack Hollins at 64%. Ya, the 5 teams in 8 years Mack Hollins. Cook has only played 46% of the teams snaps...a young guy not on an old man "snap count". Henry has almost 1,800 rushing yards, almost 800 more than Cook does. Don't try to tell me he's not a gigantic upgrade from the 800 yards Gus Edward was last year. If not from the name value alone, but the extra 1,000 yards he's put on the field, it makes everyone's job around him exponentially easier.
@ dude u don’t know ball bcs their success goes hand and hand stop it. That’s more of an argument for saquan not Henry.
Mahomes shouldn’t even be considered Nick!! Such a homer!
@@nicksousanidis3742 Mahomes winning the MVP this year would be like giving Tom Brady the MVP in 2003. Brady had the best record in 2003, but his numbers were significantly worse than some of the other best players who were moreso legitimately in the MVP race
Considered yes? Winning noooo. Mahomes would be 4th imo
Lamar
Saquan
Josh Allen
Mahomes
I like how they don't mention Jacksons fumbles he has more turnovers than Allen
Because none of Lamar's interceptions were his fault. Most pundits agree on this fact.
if a RB can get 2000yr in 14 games like O j so take the RB out
Nick is just a troll
15 categories of QB play'; including passing and running. Josh leads Lamar in ONE!!! When you put them side by side it's mind-blowing that this is a real debate. This is good versus historic.
Lamar Jackson Josh Allen
Passing TDs - 39 Passing TD - 28
Passing TDs - Rank # 3 Passing TDs - Rank # 6
Running TDs - 4 Running TDs - 12
Total TDs - 43 Total TDs - 40
Completion Percentage - 67.7% Completion Percentage -63.5%
Completion Percentage - Rank # 10 Completion Percentage - Rank # 24
Passing Yards - 3955 Passing Yards - 3731
Yards Per Attempt 8.9 Yards Per Attempt 7.7
Longest Pass - 84 Longest Pass -64
Interceptions - 4 Interceptions - 6
Running Yards - 852 Running Yards - 531
Yards Per Rush - 6.6 Yards Per Rush - 5.2
Longest Run - 48 Longest Run - 30
Passer Rating - 121,6 Passer Rating - 101.4
QBR - 77.9 QBR - 76.8
Baltimore has the best separation by WRs in the league. Bills are in the bottom ten. Just showing stats with no context mean nothing. Allen has also got to sit out six 4th quarters. Doesn't have a true #1 WR. The fact he has the Bills at 13-3 makes him the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the league! It's not beat stats award. If it was Lamar wouldn't even be in the top 5 last year.
@nmsoccer222 If you look at the stats (not including yesterday) over 20% of Allen's passing yards is actually Shakirs YAC yards. By your logic, Joe Montana was never anything more than a mediocre QB because he spent years playing with a backfield full of Pro Bowlers and HOFers.
@unadulteratedtruth8716 What i stated was facts. What u just said made no sense 💀😂. Lamar literally got the MVP with way worse stats last year, and now u just want to go based on stats for this season because it helps his narrative? Can't have it both ways. Once again, Allen is the most valuable player in the league. Put an average QB on Baltimore and the same on Buffalo, and I bet u Baltimore has a way better record.
@nmsoccer222 My bad... That was actually another calculation. But here are the numbers. As of right now, Allen has 3731 passing yards. Before 182 yesterday, he had 3549 passing yards. Shakir has 597 YAC yards., 572 before yesterday. That 572 is 16% of Allen's total. The Bills as a team have 2083 YAC yards which is 55% of Allen's 3731. By contrast, the Ravens team YAC total is 1963 of Lamar's 3955, which is 49%. If Lamar's receivers are so fast and elusive, and Allen's receivers are snails, how is the Ravens receivers vet slower after they have the ball in their hands?
The whole MVP concept is arbitrary. Separating players into tiers, however, makes sense--since its easier to identify a group clearly on a level above the next tier. What a number of players have accomplished this year is incredible. Hats off to Darnold & Goff. Lamar Jackson clearly outperformed his prior MVP seasons. Josh Allen has been a total monster. Saquon Barkley -- bravo. And Joe Burrow playing insanely great has been let down by the front office, the coaching staff, and the defense.
Allen had easily the best stats last year but he didn't win it because Lamar was the 1 seed and Allen had the 2. Allen deserves it due to losing Diggs and Gabe and having the better record.
He had 21 turnovers. Stop it
How? Allen had 18 int last year damn
29 and 18 is so mid.
Darnold has a strong supporting cast....more than josh....also Lamar has Derrick Henry.
Have 2 if the best wr does mean something
It means your franchise is incompetent in over valuing the WR position. It increases the likelihood that your Oline is poor.
I like burrow a lot but I'm sorry Allen to me is better then burrow
By blatant biases, will be the reason josh wins mvp over Lamar
My opinion,
They never mention that Josh Allen sat out four games in the fourth quarter because the bills already had the game win. How many more passing yards and stat padding would he have if he played those quarters as well?
Allen had 2 plays yesterday where he ran around, backwards, sideways, up down etc and made 2 ridiculous throws that his his receivers in the friggin chest and they dropped them. If EITHER were completed they’d be in the play of the year conversation. But since they were dropped, literal drops, nothing. Also, Bills have zero thousand yard anything this year
He’s not close to Lamar hahahahahahahahaahahhaa
Lamar is in the top 5 most dropped passes in the League. If only you seen the throws that Ravens receivers have dropped. Lol.
@@PoeticJustice7777but lamar has speed and route runners so his receivers get consistent seperation
cook is 18 yards away from 1k and leads the league in touchdowns even with allen having all them sneaks
I don’t think I’ve seen him sacked in two months. A great offensive line and great escapability is a dangerous combo
If the Vikings beat the Lions and Darnold has a game like he did vs the Packers or better, he has a VERY GOOD argument for the MVP.
Although I think Darnold wins Comeback Player of the year."
100% Would probably need some big time play/throw in the 4th to win it/ice it
But Josh and the Bills only had a 3 % chance to make the playoffs last year and ended up winning the division. He shoulda won the MVP last year and had better stats than Lamar last year. Crazy
I just hope there’s more votes for Lamar than Allen because of sick of these media pundits move the goal post and create their own Mvpity award
Facts
Allen had 44tds to Lamars 29 last year and they gave it to Lamar because he had a better record and less turnovers. Now this year you're switching it around, you and the rest of crows are are hypocrites
no.1 Lamar got a something close to a pity MVP last year (it was more of a fuckit, no one deserves it just give it to the QB with the best record type of thing). his stats were atrocious, he wasn't top 10 in anything except rushing yards. and he tapped out in the playoffs immediately... again; so don't give me this shit that JA would get a "pitymvp"
no.2 Lamar has a 2000 yard rusher on his team and 2 WRs and an absolute first ballot HOF tight end on his team. so don't give me this shit that Lamar has less help, he has far more help then JA, who i might remind you has ZERO 1000 yard anything on his team this year. the WR with the most receiving TDs is Mack Hollins, and the WR with the most receptions and yards is Shakir with 78/780 ish.
no.3 JA gets a hell of a lot less from his special teams and defense then Lamar gets
no.4 JA beat patrick mahomes... Again. something i don't think Lamar has ever done.
no.5 JA has multiple comebacks from double digits down this year. something I don't think Lamar has ever done.
Listen, the MVP isn't a "who has the most numbers" award. If anything last year's MVP for lamar should be proof of that. He won it because the ravens were the best team (record wise) in the league last year. not because he had the numbers advantage of anyone. in fact there were plenty of bills fans claiming JA should have won it last year because he had significantly better numbers then Lamar.
I'm not a LJ hater, I think he's a great dude, and a tribute to baltimore and their fans. he's a face of this league too. he's also a hell of a football player, in many ways he's who michael vick wished he was.
Right now Josh Allen is on a historic 5 year run at QB, that might be the most statistically dominant from any QB over a 5 year period of time. He knocked down another 4000 yard 40 td season. He did it playing 1.5 less games then lamar (he's been pulled out before the 4th q, 6 times this year. something that has never happened once to lamar. If JA was removed from a single game there is no chance in hell the bills would beat anyone but the worst teams in the league. That is the definition of Most Valuable. Furthermore though the bills are much less talented then the ravens
Now if we want to look at pure numbers THIS YEAR, now that lamar is finally beating allen statistically, we see the ravens fans suddenly caring about passing numbers. stow it please.
Thanks for the forecast! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
Name any other year when the mvp has been discussed like this? IT'S ONLY BECAUSE JOSH WILL WIN!!! And now the haters are coming out of the woodwork 😂. Smh #Go Bills. #BuffaloVsEverybody
there are 3 acceptable mvps gotta stop being crazy
Ravens 8-0 when Henry rushes for 100 yards.
When he doesn’t ravens are 3-5.
Who is the mvp if the ravens?
Watch the games , don’t just look up the stats . Lamar is the MVP of the Ravens
Great point. I have been saying all year that Henry is a legit MVP candidate, not just for production. It is a whole philosophy shift for opposing defenses where they have to commit to Henry, opening up gaps, lanes, etc where Lamar has 5-6 defenders to read instead of 8.
Josh Allen 2-3 against playoff teams, also got whooped by Lamar 35-10
& Henry had 2 games ravens won when he didn’t have 100 rush yards😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 being delusional is a sickness
@@rstekcy7967Henry was definitely MVP of Ravens win over Bills
As a ravens fan it's a toss up and Josh is probably gonna get it. I have no issues with it, but Lamar and the ravens are chasing something more
As are the Bills. The MVP waward is a byproduct of that chase.
Historical president matter but not how Brou explained it, the president that matters is that Lamar won last year with the numbers. I don't think having two MVP'S already should come into play at all.
To me it's stats, record, and supporting cast which gives the nod to Allen.
I personally don't think Barkley should even be In the conversation. OJ broke 2000 yards in 14 games, Dickerson in 16 games and it will take Barkley 17 games to break the record. How many yards would OJ of had with 3 more games. Barkley has had a great year but not a MVP season
But Saquon has done it in 34 less carries than Eric
Yeah it’s about attempts not games. You just hate on Saquon.
@@Logan-ee5rx allen fans might be worse then lebron fans no cap. If saquan breaks a 40 year old record he deserves to win imo. I also bet saquan to win mvp @ +1500 😂😏
If Josh and Lamar were playing on Bengals team their record would be 2 wins and 15 losses. Neither could do what joe has done
Josh Allen had a ok game 186 passing and. About 50 percent passer rating and they still won big. And u say he does so much you are delusional.
Allen beat Chiefs and Lions. Moments
@@MarioDemita-y9z that's why people compare the NFL MVP somewhat to the Heisman. You can have those big "Heisman" type moments in bigger games to where it helps you win the biggest individual award
idc what your stats are. u can’t win mvp with 9 wins
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Can’t win with only 28 passing td either
@ lamar has done it twice so that’s not true
Correction, if its head to head, allen beat mahomes. Also its hard to go by just stats, lamar has had 100 more snaps than allen. On average thats about a game and a half more, plus allen might sit next week and lamar will get further ahead in stats.
Josh Will Be The 1st Player To Ever Win MVP With Having Neither:
1. The Best Individual Stats At His Position
2. His Team Having A Top 2 Record In The League
Josh Will Finish The Year With Neither, & May Still Win The MVP… That Is Literally Unprecedented
I keep saying this expectations should have important on the MVP. We all expected Saquon and the Eagles to be good. We all expected the ravens adding Derek Henry that offense to be special.
No one in the media or the average fan thought the bills would be good this year. Everyone said it’s the Jets and dolphins year.
It'll go to Lamar or Saquan. We ALL know this.
I’d go with saquon. It’s good for the league to see someone other than a qb win it. If saquon doesn’t win it, especially if he breaks the record, than you’ll never see a non qb win it ever again. He’s had about as great of a season a running back can possibly have. It’s boring if the mvp becomes a qb only award.
Ravens fan here..barely 2000 in 16 games..no joke... 9 players to do it.. real talk..
Barkley..whatever..
Lamar vs Allen
Ignored Lamar stats last year so can’t be the main or only qualifier now. Lamar better team around him esp Henry.
Barkley
vs Pitt 65 Yards 0 TD and his team still dominated
Vs Commanders before Hurts left 120 yards 2 TDs. Once Hurts left 30 rushing yards 0 TDs and his team lost.
How can these thing be true and Barkley still be MVP? He’s not even MVP on his own team. That team still runs through Hurts.
Hell of a season for all of them guys but Allen is the biggest difference maker for his team and the NFL.
Winner is Allen 🎉
I believe all great QBs elevate the performance of their team mates. lamar and Josh are very good at this. sll things being equal, Lamar is MVP again. I have watched him pass and run better than all other QBs in history, this season. His numbers and stats prove it.
Josh is about to win a "here damn" MVP just like Embiid did in 2023. Just becaue Lamar has 2 MVPs already doesnt make him less deserving of winning it again this year. That where my frustration is coming from because it seems that a lot of people is choosing based on who hasnt won already. And imo that just dumb. Just vote for the guy you think has been better period
Lamar will ball out against the Browns and win it.
If Saquon doesn't win after breaking Dickerson's record, then it is a travesty! Just rename the MVP as the Best QB Award at that point. Saquon is set to break a 40 YEAR RECORD! The QBs these years are putting up just another top QB performance year, nothing special, nothing like the 5000 yards 50 TDs we were seeing previously. AND Saquon crushed Lamar when they went up against eachother... Enough said. Saquon is MVP, hands down!!
Josh is the MVP of Nick's nightmares.
Josh Allen is the MVP and it is not even close. Did the Ravens beat the Chiefs , did the Bengals? Josh beat the Top teams in both conferences at the time. Also , Josh does not have a 1,000 RB , TE or WR on his team . I repeat Josh is the only one without a 1,000 yard WR , RB or TE on his team . Yet he has over 4,000 yards and 40 TDs with 6 into and only 2 fumbles lost. Plus he is undefeated at home . PUS Josh has 50 less snaps that Lamar because he blew teams out. Also Josh won 13 games .
The Bills lost starters on the defense and offense from last year and yet he willed his team to better record than the others
The Lions and KC have 3 losses total. Josh gave them 2.
So bills are 2-3 vs winning teams
Ravens 7-3 vs winning teams
And lions had many injures on defense
Burrows lost to patriots and scored 10 points that’s on him he lost to Bears 3 points! That’s on him. No way Mvp
Josh allen threw to 14 different players for a touchdown this year lmao one has jamarr chase and tee higgins and the other has a hall of fame runningback lmaoo
❤❤❤❤ JOSH ALLEN MVP
What is the historic precedent category and why is Lamar 3rd? Is this a way to say since he’s already won then historic precedent would suggest awarding it to someone else? None of these guys been to sb so idk what else they could be talking about historical precedent…
How does Burrow have better stats than Lamar??? Are we looking at the same stats ?? Why is this a talking point ?
Burrow has over 600 more yards and more TD's than Lamar. So if your going to base it on stats then Burrow.
@@rcud1 Burrow has 164 more passing attempts with just 3 more passing TDs. While Lamar has over 800 yds rushing, 4 fewer INTs, and most importantly two head to head wins against burrow….
The fact you all keep putting Burrow in the convo tells me a lot about this being feelings over facts he is not an MVP candidate stop it his team is straggling to get in the playoffs and majority of their loses were his fault so why is he an MVP for putting the house on fire then trying to put out the fire. You have 2 legitimate candidates Lamar and Josh that's it nobody else smh
lamar wins based on best numbers vs better competition
media : josh allen or joe burrow because we tired of seeing lamar win it vs weak schedule
Saquan is only 100 yards away from tying Dickerson's record of 2,105 yards in a season. Last game of the season with a chance to break the record going against the team that gave up on him, the Giants. He's going to play, I'd bet! But man, if he ended up injured😢, Soriano would have h3ll to pay.
It's a statistical fact that Lamar Jackson's receivers have been open more than Josh or Burrow. Lamar only has like 45 difficult throw attempts on the season and Josh and Burrow literally have double the attempts
What exactly is this information proving?
@@jametrieharris8005 the degree of difficulty is a factor. Lamar throwing to wide open receivers isn't as impressive as Allen or burrow throwing lasers into tight windows
@ he’s leading in those throws ! This is why I can’t have a simple conversation with y’all fans .. yall literally making shit up to build a case for Allen it’s sad. Go look shit up before you reply like your spitting facts
It's like I already said a while ago. I don't think the media fully wants to give the MVP to Josh Allen, particularly someone like Nick Wright. Sam Darnold is someone that this dude has crucified all year & now at the end of the season damn near, NOW you want to acknowledge him as a possible MVP ? Where was that energy weeks ago ? That's how we know he's truly grasping for straws. It's gotten to the point where he's throwing in guys that he's far from supportive of to muddy the waters for Josh Allen. It should be pretty clear now, Julian lmao. Did it weeks ago with Goff & now with Darnold 😂😂
That's how Nick Wright rolls
Nick Wright is in an awkward spot this year. He really doesn't want either Lamar or Josh to win MVP because he doesn't like people comparing the 2 of them to his boyfriend Pat, so he now claims 7 people could win the award which is something he just came up with this week. I think most people would be fine with Lamar or Josh winning it this year.
@@edwardcibulsky9277 how can 7 people win it when a final ballot only has 5 guys 😂
Last time rb won mvp was a 2000 yard season... idk...
Can't wait till this is over, so tired of hearing these stupid contradicting arguments smdh
If Lamar wins MVP, he will have more MVPs than playoff wins. The MVP vote is the real Super Bowl for Ravens fans😂
At that very time, yes. Lamar Jackson will have to change that
Funnily enough, only Mahomes can save different. How many times has Allen been past the divisional.
It don't matter, how many mvp he have , superbowl is a team achievement. Lamar can play great and still lose the superbowl because it's other players involve.
@@acephas3say what you will about the win loss column, it’s a team sport. Josh has consistently played excellent in the playoffs which can’t be said about Lamar
@@bmxney3143bro the ultimate goal is to win in the playoffs 😂 not play good BUT LOSE 😂 BRO YOU JOSH ALLEN FANBOYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, YALL ARE THE REASON WE SAY JOSH ALLEN IS OVERRATED AND A LOSER
This years mvp race reminds a bit of the cfp playoff bracket.
Is it just me or does nun of Josh’s cases for mvp makes sense to me. To me nun of the reasoning goes in Josh’s favor
Same it makes no sense. Hasnt got nr 1 seed or top 5 qb stats. While lamar and saquan have historic stats
@ I think Josh is great but it’s so obvious that they just simply want him to win it just because
@@jametrieharris8005Josh Allen has sat out literally 5 4th quarters this year and he's not playing next week. Maybe start just to keep his streak alive. Numbers lie. You people know nothing about sports at all, let alone football
@@jermainezinnerman7450 bro you just made that up.. Lamar sat out more 4th quarters than him this year dude.
@@jametrieharris8005no he hasn’t moron. You are clearly an Allen hater and a casual
Joe burrow can’t be in this discussion tbh. Lamar beat him twice in head to head. They both have very bad defenses at least the ravens did in the beginning of the year. There is just no way to make the case for him over Lamar
If Josh Allen Had 6 Rushing TD’s Instead Of 15, Literally Nobody Would Be Calling Him The MVP Favorite… So Basically, Nine 1-Yard Push Tush Touchdowns Are The Difference Between Being The MVP & NOT Being The MVP
you got the 9 one yard push TD's by subtracting 6 from 15? Or at least it looks like that's exactly what you did. So I have 3 comments for you: 1) do you really know how many of his 15 running TD's were from 1 or 2 yds? 2) what if they were; are short yardage passing TD's somehow more valuable than short yardage running TD's. 3) You're suggesting that Allen's rushing TD's are in effect him padding his stats. I couldn't disagree more. I think Cook is a very good RB but the Bills really don't have a short yardage back so by default Allen gets the job because he's very good at it.
@ All Wins Aren’t Valued Equally… The Bills Beating The Chiefs Was A Way More Meaningful Win Than The Bills Beating The Pats… That Exact Same Philosophy Applies To Yards & Touchdowns
300 Passing Yards When You’re Dominating A Great Team, Is Not The Same As 300 Passing Yards When You’re Getting Blown Out & Picking Up 120 Yards In Garbage Time When The Game Is Already Outta Hand
Josh’s Tush Push TD’s Work The Same Way… Lamar’s 4 TD’s = 76 yards… Josh’s 13 TD’s = 70 yards… All TD’s ain’t worth equal value… A Bunch Of 1 Yard Tush Pushes Will Influence The Stat Sheet & Record Book But That Shit Ain’t Influencing My MVP Decisions. I Actually Watch Games… The OLine Pushing You Into The Endzone To Boost Your Stats Doesn’t Make You Anymore Valuable
@@ZimMill It's neat the way you ignored my first question about how many of the 15 rushing TD's were of the 1 yard type. You seem to suggest they all are 1 yard push TD's. Must be you missed that 26 yard one he scored against the Chiefs on 4th down to make it a 2 score game. Scoring a TD in the red zone is an important stat I think most people don't care whether you get into the end zone by running it in or via a pass - they're both worth 6 points.
The fact joe burrow gets credit for having great offensive weapons but Lamar get dinged for having Derrick Henry its wild. The media members are very narrative driven when it comes to the award so i already know josh Allen will get it. Even tho josh Allen has a way better supporting cast than the media and certain people like to admit
The best player Josh Allen has on his team as support may actually be his tackle Dion Dawkins. Other QBs in the MVP race probably have a better skill position weapon as their lead dog than Allen does. Mahomes has Kelce. Lamar has Derrick Henry. Burrow has Chase. Saquon obviously had Hurts and AJ Brown. Allen's best skill weapon is Amari Cooper I think. Very solid and reliable WR, but nowhere close to those other guys I mentioned
@jctslice that entire offensive line is awesome. James cook averages over 5 yards a carry and often has to score 10 to 15 yards out because Josh does that hurts crap and QB sneaks it in when they are on the Goaline. Kinkad,knox,Shakir, cooper, and Coleman are terrific players. When the bills and josh Allen turned their season around last year and started hot this year was based off the formula of running the ball more, spreading the ball around and let Josh make up the difference. That offense doesn't require Josh to sit back and throw it 40 times and run all over the field. But people won't admit he has good pieces around him
@@madjames2392his pieces are good not great, you can make the case Lamar has better players at every position, same with the chiefs and eagles.
It's either Josh Allen or Lamar. I personally give the edge to Lamar since hes been the best player but Josh is deserving as well
Borrow's stats are not better than Lamar. Lamar has higher QBR, higher QB rating and less turnovers. 2nd highest passer rating all-time. Head to head is a factor when youve narrowed it down to a few candidates.
Joe does have some blame as well with the Patriots loss and the pick against the Ravens as well.
Lamar has better stats, but he hasn't played better than josh. Lamar is almost a game manager, whole josh has to carry the offense and has a bad defense to work with as well
This is what happens when u give someone something they didn't deserve it raises questions going forward
Like how they finna give Josh the mvPitty
@jametrieharris8005 I can see this is all ravens fans going to say when he win it u know allen is the only qb in history to have 40tds 5 years straight he beat kc something no one else did including Jackson and the top seed lions but when I hope they play each other in round 2 when the bills beat them will shut ravens fans up
5 more QBs w/more TDS, 8 QBs w/more yards, 24th in Comp %, yes 531 rushing yards - 12 TDS, but Hurts has 14 TDs 🤔
Lets give it to Justin Tucker😊
😂😂😂
Not in this game. Josh didn’t play that well. It’s Lamar’s, but he has to be rationalized against. No one with Lamar’s passer rating loses. He’d be the first.
he played like as good as he couldve lol
Huh he only played 3qts cause he had already destroyed them
He had 3 touchdowns
😂😂😂😂
@@thebuffalotimes8730hahahaha for real. It’s actually shocking how someone can just watch that game and say “he didn’t play that well”
Joe Burrow shouldn't be in the MVP race with 8 losses
EASY criteria: Who did more with less? THAT is the MVP. Allen wins hands down.
Since when is that the criteria? Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerin James etc.. Aaron Rodgers had Greg Jenning, Jordy Nelson, Davantae Adams etc.. that never had any bearing on them winning MVP
Joe B TEAM NOT GOOD?
11:26 , BUT no way should a Qb
On a non playoff team win
Mvp,.
Lamar should win his 3rd
IF Mahommes had Jos's stats with his record who would be the MVP if not Mahommes? Josh has 2 less games than Mahommes . Josh is MVP
It's a different era, where the QB is the most leverereged position by alot. McCaffrey should have won it last year because the niners were trash before he showed up, and the offense basically ran through him runnning and catching, and no QB really put up great stats.
So if ur arguing that u can’t hold Joe Burrows supporting weapons against his case then u can’t say that Josh Allen having less is an argument because then you would have double standards Lamar Jackson won against both those guys and trouched that Texans Defense that Josh Allen couldn’t do anything against ur saying Lamar shouldn’t win it based on what?
MVP case should start with the schedule who are u beating is very important in the discussion…. If im beating on sorry teams and your battling n beating on good teams how am I better then u especially if u have better stats n fighting tougher competition
To me it’s Josh Allen. It’s not even close. He beat beat the two best teams in the league and without him his team is probably a three-win team.
If Darnold balls put in Detroit he needs to be in the running for mvp
This is really simple it’s Josh Allen and before folks trip I’ll take Lamar and Mahomes over Allen but it’s Allen’s mvp year
Joe Burrow does not have better stats than Lamar I have no idea why people keep saying that . Lamar has more total yards and is leading in every advanced metric .
Julian W. Lucas Sport you did not make a case why Josh Allen should win MVP, we need more explanation than just say Josh will win it. How is Lamar not the front runner? His play all season has been historic. Lamar stats are better. Help me understand this.
Oh last year stats didn't matter. If they did Lamar probably has the worst stats ever for a QB winning MVP, except for maybe back in the day when passing wasn't as prevalent! But his team won 13 games. Now this year it's all about stats. Y'all just love to change the narrative for who y'all want to win MVP! So what is it? Great stats or team success? How about both. Josh's team has had a better year and he has enough "stats"! Please make up your mind
Agree with J. Sam D should really be the mvp if they get the number one seed. I don’t know tho lol I really don’t care tho for real.
I think Lamar, Burrow and Josh are equally "valuable" to their teams. Lamar and Burrow have had to play perfect games in order to win.
They both have had to overcome, terrible defenses, bad kicking, bad coaching, etc.
Even though Josh is playing great and doing alot to carry the offense, I don't agree that he has "less".
He is playing with a lot of good young players who haven't made a name for themselves yet, so they seem like nobodies.
But if you watch Cook, Kincaid, and Coleman play they are not bad by any measure.
Cook, Kincaid, and Coleman are not close to Chase and Higgins or Henry, Andrews, and Flowers. Chase has 1.6k yards by himself; Coleman and Kincaid combined have less than 1k. Henry has 1.8k yards by himself; Cook has 1.2k
@@Seanksb I agree, but the WR group for the Bills is solid. They may not have the names that Baltimore has, but they aren't trash.
@@Psalm24-su3vg Yeah, I agree. And Cook and Kincaid are solid too.
@@Seanksb and Coleman looks like he has alot of potential. And they have A proven vet in Amari Cooper. The playoffs will give them an opportunity to prove themselves honestly.
THE RAIDERS AND BROWNS BEAT THE RAVENS AND LAMAR HEAD TO HEAD
Josh been playing out of his mind this year lamar to but it's time the nfl give josh his props
Diggs and Davis aren’t 1000yd receivers this season so that argument that Allen lost support argument is joke
First of all el dummo! Diggs got hurt for the season and Gabe Davis missed some time. Also going from Josh Allen to Trevor Lawrence is a huge difference. Nice way to try to manipulate! Davis doing worse actually shows how good Allen is.
Also. Josh Allen doesn't have a 1000 yard receiver this year either. So if he didn't lose any support he certainly didn't gain any. Think before you speak guy
@@jermainezinnerman7450 what it shows is that Gabe Davis is just a guy and no loss, so saying Allen lost anything in the off season isn’t a real thing. The bills dumped Stefan Diggs cause he didn’t want to play with Allen watching balls go to the oops as many times as he got rec.
@@jermainezinnerman7450 maybe you should think before you speak as you contradicted yourself. Also don’t try manipulate the fact the strength of schedule helps the bills win games, you guys lost the head to head and don’t even have the stats. The ravens lost half their defense coaches including their DC (now a HC) their oline coach tragically in training camp and are the most penalised team in the league forcing Lamar to play his ass off against harder opps. Let’s not forget that Gardner minshew played better than Allen did vs the ravens than when he played them. He was out classed and out matched. Playing bums all season, padding stats on Qb sneaks and only beating 2 playoff teams doesn’t make him good.