Imma be real I've wanted to do more electrical projects on this channel for years, but electricity is a terrifying enigma to me 😅 HV seems very unforgiving of mistakes, and I make a lot of those.
Nice job! I think back in the day, I used iodine, red phosphorus and in the 20% chance the reactants weren't reacting, a drop or two of hydrogen peroxide to kick it off. Worked every time! From what I recall this reaction produced copious amounts of HI.
Thank you! And hm I'm guessing it got the H from the peroxide through an intermediate reaction with the phosphorus. I've used iodine and red phosphorus instead of HI before in making methyl iodide which I assume follows a similar mechanism.
@@tissuepaper9962 Table salt is iodized in order to make sure that your body has enough iodine in it, in case of a nuclear fallout (so that you won't absorb as much radioactive iodine). It's a left-over from the cold war
i like iodine as an element, but working with it is such a pain. it is such an annoying staining agent and the smell gets everywhere combine that with it being hazardous and a strong irritant makes for quite the bastard element
Yeah the staining and choking fumes are definitely annoying.. especially the staining. Its (as far as I know) less dangerous than the rest of the halogens in its pure form, but that just means we typically take fewer precautions when handling it than bromine for example which makes the irritation definitely more noticeable.
I knew HI couldn't be made from sulfuric acid, but I had no idea it could be made from phosphoric acid (like you, I never had a use for HI, so I never checked lol). Very nice synth, I wonder if there's an easy way to remove the iodine color from the acid...maybe sulfur dioxide or sulfite followed by redistillation under reduced pressure or argon? Idk, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot, especially since you just converted it all to iodine anyway!
Lol its funny, I was trying so hard to think of any feasible use for this as a demo for the video but it really just doesn't have any besides some excessively long organic synth. But yeah I think that general procedure would work to clear it up, reduced pressure might mess with the azeotrope though so argon would definitely be better. The only reliable way I've read about to perfectly clear HI is actually to bubble hydrogen sulfide through it and filter out the precipitated sulfur. H2S + I2 → 2 HI + S It would be crazy to see HI perfectly clear. Its a deep brown even in the wikipedia page.. I just HATE H2S lol
@@integral_chemistry maybe a sulfide salt would work (either by reacting with the iodine directly or by forming H2S in situ)! Personally, I would've tried making some kind of organic iodide, since they're pretty good alkylating agents. Maybe try methyl iodide? Then you could react it with theobromine to get fully-synthetic caffeine, haha!
@@integral_chemistry You can use other acids to make hydrogen iodide besides phosphoric. Other acids that can be used: - Tosylic acid - BenzeneSulfonic acid - PentafluorobenzeneSulfonic acid - Pentafluorobenzoic acid - Trifluoroacetic acid - Triflic acid
Another way to make very pure HI is to first make iodine from iodide then react the iodinr in water with H2S iin a N2 atmosphere in a flask with aggressive stirring. Sulfur coats the flask and very clean HI is created. It can be vacuum distilled yeilding a very pale yellow acid. It is best used immediately, but can be stored for months in a brown glass bottle under argon or nitrogen in a fridge. ❤
That was fun to watch. I'm guessing you know this but to everyone else, if you just wanted iodine from KI, a bit of acid and/or peroxide will convert it to I. No need to make HI first (though that was a cool demo). Sulfuric will work, and has the added benefit of what was shown here (being able to make a puck of it) or you can do it with HCl and H2O2 (per "Sciencing" I googled): Pour 4 grams (g) of potassium iodide into a test tube. Add about 3 milliliters (ml) of distilled water to the test tube. Shake the test tube to dissolve the potassium iodide in the water. Add 3 ml of concentrated hydrochloric acid (HCl) to the test tube. Shake the test tube again to mix the hydrochloric acid into the solution. Obtain or prepare a solution of 97 percent water and 3 percent hydrogen peroxide. Add 20 ml of the hydrogen peroxide solution, and allow the solid iodine to settle to the bottom of the test tube.
This video hut on exactly why I want to build myself a proper chemistry setup, I want to grow as many crystals as I can. Crystals are just so incredibly beautiful, there are so many things that crystalize, i eant to make them all.
I made HI starting from KI. I bubbled chlorine through the concentrated KI solution till all the iodine precipitated, decanted and washed the iodine, added water and bubbled hidrogen sulphide till all the iodine got consumed, filtered the sulphur out of the solution and boiled the solution till it fumed. The solution was clear but it slowly decomposed over time and formed a big iodine cristal in the brown solution.
I found a very interesting potential route to hydroiodic acid that could potentially be more attainable for amateurs. It can be formed as a byproduct of the hydrolysis of tin (IV) iodide, which itself is a very easy chemical to make, just reflux tin, iodine and chloroform. It forms very beautiful orange crystals. These decompose in water to yield hydroiodic acid. Just an idea I had that might work. Idk if the tin contamination is a problem, but I imagine you can distill it out.
@@integral_chemistry I think a lot of the production goes to industry and stockpiles of radiation pills, I think that's why it's expensive. I know lots of people who have a bottle of the pills in their emergency kits.
2:32 That's often not the case. If it were, you couldn't make HNO3 or HCl with NaHSO4. H2SO4 is very strong, but HSO4(--1) is weak. When the salt & acid are mixed, there's an equilibrium between the starting acid & product acid. Even if it favors the left-hand direction, if the product is volatile, it distills off, in an ongoing process.
100% agree. I did touch on that but I do think I should have emphasized the entropic favorability with gaseous/liquid acids being so much more favorable than sulfuric/phosphoric acid and their salts
I think the driving force for this reaction isn't that the thermodynamics drives the reaction to the right, but rather the volatility of HI as compared to the non-volatility of phosphoric acid. Its basically an application of Le Chateleir's Principle - distilling off the HI and removing it from the reaction drives the reaction to the right.
You're definitely 100% correct on that! However, Le Chateleir's principle is just a statement of thermodynamics at the end of the day. It's driven by temp and state which are the two major variables that determine entropic favorability. I do like your explanation a lot more than mine though, especially for a more general audience. I definitely overcomplicated it for no reason lol
Have you ever considered synthesizing nitroethane? There’s an interesting method that involves the oxidation of pyruvic oxime with sodium perborate in acetic acid at about 50-60 C. The resulting α-nitropropanoic acid should undergo decarboxylation readily giving nitroethane (in theory at least). Someone suggested this on Sciencemadness awhile ago, but I’ve never heard of someone actually trying it. I’ve always wondered if it would work, but I haven’t had a chance to do any experiments with it yet. So, it’d be really neat to see someone trying this reaction out, and posting the results! Also, there’s a paper on this type of reaction that was published in Synlett in 1992. It’s titled “Convenient Oxidation of Oximes to Nitro Compounds with Sodium Perborate in Glacial Acetic Acid.”
I found this video very helpful as iodine is hard to come by these days. Have you made a video of how to make H4 P2 O6 before?, I can't see it in your Playlist. Great video mate... all yours are. Thank you.
I love those purple iodine crystals. I wonder if a better formation could be used by using one of the ionized dipping methods on the molten iodine, such as spindle-forming of crystals.
No problem! It is a super uncommon acid (limited uses, regulated, and very unstable) so I doubt most people have seen this one, even professional chemists
Not sure what the laws are for those of you overseas from Australia or interstate from South Australia but here in South Australia hydroiodic acid is classified as a section 17B illicit drug precursor chemical, however that does not mean that it's outright illegal to be in possession of it, buy it or use it it simply means that some legal restrictions apply to the possession, sale and use of it such as a good reason for possesing it and a written EUD statement declaring that it will only be used for legal purposes is required to be submitted to South Australia Police but it's not outright banned or illegal.
by that you mean the yield? Yeah I wasn't sure as I didn't really consult any literature for what I should expect for a yield, but good to know the number looks like it should. Thank you btw!
I think I remember you mentioning that before.. I don't have any firsthand experience with the stuff but there certainly seems to be a consensus that its serious business. I've got a good deal of calcium gluconate and I was actually considering making some once, but then I realized "huh... I want to make the chemical that dissolves glass using glass." Seemed dumb so I shelved the idea
@@flyingshards595it used to be used as an industrial glass cleaner too which makes me giggle cause like aren't you just dissolving what you're cleaning, found some bottle of it in the garage labeled as glass cleaner from when my grandpa worked at a refinery lol
@@flyingshards595 yeah I suppose I hadn't really considered that lol like for chemistry stuff it makes more sense but this was just like glass cleaner for windows which just seems so overkill lol. Like maybe it's cause it was a refinery and it just worked really well for the specific buildups idk but we got rid of that stuff real quick when we found it
I would think that very pure HI could be produced by circulating dilute HCl through a column of ion exchange resin that has been activated with a solution of sodium or potassium iodide. The resin would swap its iodide ions for the chloride ions in the HCl, progressively increasing the HI concentration in the solution with each pass. When equilibrium is reached, simply recharge the resin and continue for higher concentration of HI.
Have you tried tungsten electrodes for perchloric acid production? It's a fairly cheap alternative to getting platinum/gold ones (same group). (Tungsten is an amazing metal)
I have not but I love the idea! I'm actually surprised I haven't read about that anywhere before.. Tungsten is cheap enough that even if they get eaten by the process I could just pop in a new one and keep going (I think some types of welding electrodes are tungsten right)
Right? I really want to find that original post to give the guy credit because it worked so incredibly well. I imagine it would be even more efficient at larger scale
I couldn't find a pka for perchloric but I think you're right. I know it's one of the two anyway. Perchloric is technically classified as a superacid iirc
I'm not a chemistry student but am enamored with the process of chemistry. I am observing that heat and cold and other elements are the typical manner of manipulation in conversions. Is there any electrical or magnetic current ever used in chemistry other than the use of powering the heating utilities? I'm really curious 🤔
I'm not a chemist, I genuinely dont know the answer to this: could you use mineral oil for the melting step to suppress the vapor pressure? Or does the acid not dissolve a significant enough amount to make it worthwhile?
Thats actually a good question, and I'm honestly not 100% sure. I know sulfuric acid would work better since it won't dissolve nearly as much iodine as mineral oil would, and the high density of the acid itself probably helps it suppress the vapor pressure more efficiently. Also sulfuric acid pulled water out of the iodine which mineral oil wouldn't be able to do. I think mineral oil would probably be possible but as you said the lower efficiency compared to acid might make it not worth it.. especially considering the insane cost of iodine (stuff is very expensive)
Hey, your explanation and info on the screen at 9:50 for the halogenation of alkenes to alkyl halides is incorrect. EAS = electrophilic aromatic substitution, SN2 = bimolecular nucleophilic substitution. Alkenes do not react via these pathways. Alkenes undergo electrophillic addition, amongst others. :)
There’s another method using iodine, red phosphorus and water, because iodine is kinda easier to get and cheaper than potassium iodide here. But will phosphoric acid combine with HI to form some azeotrope?
It begs the question, however, why is hydrofluoric acid so dangerous to make? I recall my brother made some in his student years, and although the product himself had to be handled with care, for what he told me, the process didn't seem that dangerous. It isn't on that point that he insisted, anyhow.
The process is generally the same, but hydroflouric acid has two unique properties that make it particularly hazardous. #1: Hydroflouric acid dissolves glass (and it's actually one of the very few chemicals that can). Therefore to distill HF this setup would have to be recreated with all copper, iron, or ideally Teflon rather than glass. #2: hydroflouric acid is an extremely lethal poison through both skin contact and inhalation. There is an antidote (calcium gluconate) but the toxicity and inability to be contained within glass is a scary combo.
One more question sir! So i have no use for HI ! That being said should i just make the iodine the old fashioned way and then use the H2SO4, or is there a way to go from KI to H2SO4 's route??🤔
I'd say the best way to go from KI to iodine is definitely the classic acidification followed by oxidation with peroxide. Other oxidizers are possible but peroxide is the safest for sure 😁
I wonder if an anode coated with pure gold or a substance that is both conductive and extremely mildly reactive (if at all) would help with making your acids. Could an anode or cathode be made out of a conductive gel or highly viscous fluid that doesn’t dissolve away when a carrying a current ?
Question? What percentage of phosphoric acid did you use? I heard over 50% and you're going to keep getting decomposition into elemental iodine issues?
It was 85% diluted with an equal volume of water, so probably around 42%. Definitely way less elemental iodine issues than when I tried using 75% so I think you heard correctly
@@integral_chemistry p.s forgot to say NICE! and thanks for the comeback going to give this a go tonight as i used the very last of my elemental months back making NI3! Uumh for research reasons! Yeah thats it, Say! You know? Wouldnt a hockey puck sized Iodine crystal be cool if we stuff a 3rd atom into it😂🔥
Thats a good question tbh.. Depends on a ton of different factors but a solid piece this size left out at 25C maybe a couple weeks? Might be worth a test
@@integral_chemistry Dang that's too bad. I'm an artist and I'd love to make iodine crystals similar to how bismuth makes crystals. Would it keep well if you kept it in an airtight container like a mason jar?
You stated “the rule of thumb that one can only make acids that are….”… there are a many exceptions to that “rule” so it’s hardly an accurate statement. Nerd rage showed us one can make nitric acid using oxalic acid after all
LMAO You're good, and yeah I've always found it silly that its taught as a "rule of thumb" when honestly I've found it to be untrue more often than not. Enthalpy, entropy, and solubility always tend to be much more significant factors than acid strength. I think its really only a useful "rule of thumb" when it comes to weak/organic acids.
Probably not tbh. HI + HNO3 would produce nitrosyl iodide, Iodine, and some water. NOI is very unstable so it would decompose into I2 and NO almost instantly. Iodide is just too good at reducing things lol
@@integral_chemistry What about HBr for aqua regia? Wikipedia claims that pure liquid bromine will react with gold so even if NOBr decomposes, something should still happen.
H2SO4 (>15%) possession is illegal in EU countries but poland doesn't care. Iodine is not restricted by the EU and I don't know a country where it is restricted by other laws
It is not legal to possess for private individuals in higher than 15% concentration in all the EU since 2021, but there is still plenty of suppliers who don't care and will sell it anyway.
I saw one really strange synthesis of hydroiodic acid in wikipedia using oxalic acid. The reaction: H2C2O4 + I2 = 2HI + 2CO2. Is such a reaction possible? Is this done by fusion?
Yeah I'm guessing that would have to be a fusion, although that would create 100% HI gas which depending on how you want to collect it could be very good or very bad. Seems like it would definitely work though
This is nitpicky, but that's not how I nor anyone I know pronounces hydroiodic. It gives off a dilettantish air. Just saying. No disrespect. I enjoyed this very odd synthesis.
lol well thank you, glad you enjoyed it! TBH its such an uncommon chemical I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it before. Now I'm gonna go look it up so I can feel silly.
“Mixture begins to yellow”… Yellow chemistry mentioned, somewhere a chill ran down the spine of a certain Australian chemistry-tuber!
I'll ask Tom if he felt a strange disturbance today lol 😉
Yellow Chem Bad
Brother plz melting powder making
Long rants on acids are miles better than long rants on acid
What about long rants on acids while on acid?
@@lagrangiankid378 That would be amazing. Probably utterly unintelligible....but amazing nonetheless :D
Depends on who is doing the ranting tbh.
I think that acid would be a list one chemical that they would kick your door down for, even if you didn't tack the diethylamine on it 😂
The iodine purification under h2so4 is really a genius idea!
Right?! I need to find the original reddit post so I can give the guy credit. Worked way better than I expected
This video highlights a multitude of reasons that I ended up an electrician instead of a chemist.
Imma be real I've wanted to do more electrical projects on this channel for years, but electricity is a terrifying enigma to me 😅 HV seems very unforgiving of mistakes, and I make a lot of those.
@@integral_chemistry it's not the voltage to be afraid of, it's the current.
@@officermeowmeowfuzzyface4408 stop parroting this dumb phrase, it is not accurate to real life
@@integral_chemistryElectricity is stupid. It flows through the streams weird
@@penguiin12 Izzat why you can be live at 240v but die to 0.7 amps?
I love this watchlist chemistry! I get a rush from watching Chemdelic and Prussian Blue for all their sketchy synthesis so this is right in my lane.
Love to hear it! Something tells me one of them would definitely win the sketchy/regulated chemical bingo lol
Nice job! I think back in the day, I used iodine, red phosphorus and in the 20% chance the reactants weren't reacting, a drop or two of hydrogen peroxide to kick it off. Worked every time! From what I recall this reaction produced copious amounts of HI.
Thank you! And hm I'm guessing it got the H from the peroxide through an intermediate reaction with the phosphorus. I've used iodine and red phosphorus instead of HI before in making methyl iodide which I assume follows a similar mechanism.
Curbshot?
There’s a strong correlation between dietary iodine intake and cognitive function, there are a numbers of papers that confirm it have a look
I'll definitely check it out! I'm assuming this is a positive correlation rather than a negative one?
@@integral_chemistrypositive to a point, like almost everything. that's why table salt is extrinsically iodized.
@@tissuepaper9962 Table salt is iodized in order to make sure that your body has enough iodine in it, in case of a nuclear fallout (so that you won't absorb as much radioactive iodine). It's a left-over from the cold war
@@tissuepaper9962 Table salt is iodized to prevent iodine deficiency caused hypothyroidism.
@@tissuepaper9962 Seafood is often high in iodine too.
i like iodine as an element, but working with it is such a pain. it is such an annoying staining agent and the smell gets everywhere combine that with it being hazardous and a strong irritant makes for quite the bastard element
Yeah the staining and choking fumes are definitely annoying.. especially the staining. Its (as far as I know) less dangerous than the rest of the halogens in its pure form, but that just means we typically take fewer precautions when handling it than bromine for example which makes the irritation definitely more noticeable.
Sometimes I forget its an halogen, but the smell and reactivity always reminds me.
Don't work with K. Worse than P
Hazardous? I dilute like 1000mg in 32 drops of glycerin. I drink 50mls a day cause I love how it tastes. How effed am I?
@@integral_chemistry
Unlike the other halogens it's damaging the thyroid and shouldn't therefore be underestimated.
I knew HI couldn't be made from sulfuric acid, but I had no idea it could be made from phosphoric acid (like you, I never had a use for HI, so I never checked lol). Very nice synth, I wonder if there's an easy way to remove the iodine color from the acid...maybe sulfur dioxide or sulfite followed by redistillation under reduced pressure or argon? Idk, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot, especially since you just converted it all to iodine anyway!
Lol its funny, I was trying so hard to think of any feasible use for this as a demo for the video but it really just doesn't have any besides some excessively long organic synth. But yeah I think that general procedure would work to clear it up, reduced pressure might mess with the azeotrope though so argon would definitely be better.
The only reliable way I've read about to perfectly clear HI is actually to bubble hydrogen sulfide through it and filter out the precipitated sulfur. H2S + I2 → 2 HI + S
It would be crazy to see HI perfectly clear. Its a deep brown even in the wikipedia page.. I just HATE H2S lol
@@integral_chemistry maybe a sulfide salt would work (either by reacting with the iodine directly or by forming H2S in situ)! Personally, I would've tried making some kind of organic iodide, since they're pretty good alkylating agents. Maybe try methyl iodide? Then you could react it with theobromine to get fully-synthetic caffeine, haha!
@@integral_chemistry
You can use other acids to make hydrogen iodide besides phosphoric.
Other acids that can be used:
- Tosylic acid
- BenzeneSulfonic acid
- PentafluorobenzeneSulfonic acid
- Pentafluorobenzoic acid
- Trifluoroacetic acid
- Triflic acid
Another way to make very pure HI is to first make iodine from iodide then react the iodinr in water with H2S iin a N2 atmosphere in a flask with aggressive stirring. Sulfur coats the flask and very clean HI is created. It can be vacuum distilled yeilding a very pale yellow acid. It is best used immediately, but can be stored for months in a brown glass bottle under argon or nitrogen in a fridge. ❤
I love the velvet purple-black with colors like stardust in the large crystals. Its beautiful
That was fun to watch. I'm guessing you know this but to everyone else, if you just wanted iodine from KI, a bit of acid and/or peroxide will convert it to I. No need to make HI first (though that was a cool demo). Sulfuric will work, and has the added benefit of what was shown here (being able to make a puck of it) or you can do it with HCl and H2O2 (per "Sciencing" I googled):
Pour 4 grams (g) of potassium iodide into a test tube. Add about 3 milliliters (ml) of distilled water to the test tube. Shake the test tube to dissolve the potassium iodide in the water.
Add 3 ml of concentrated hydrochloric acid (HCl) to the test tube. Shake the test tube again to mix the hydrochloric acid into the solution.
Obtain or prepare a solution of 97 percent water and 3 percent hydrogen peroxide. Add 20 ml of the hydrogen peroxide solution, and allow the solid iodine to settle to the bottom of the test tube.
Beautiful video! I think a nearby metal shelf next to me rusted over just watching it! Haha!
Thanks! And lets just say I'm strongly considering replacing the steel grating in my fume hood ducting after that. Its brutalized lol
@@integral_chemistry Hahaha!! I bet!
bro gives me always more reasons on why he is my fav chemistry synthesis channel
I really like your work young man. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with me.😊
I appreciate that very much! Nothing makes me happier than other people taking some interest in these things I find so fascinating
This video hut on exactly why I want to build myself a proper chemistry setup, I want to grow as many crystals as I can.
Crystals are just so incredibly beautiful, there are so many things that crystalize, i eant to make them all.
I had never seen metallic iodine before. Thanks!
This is always so fascinating to me, and I get about 10% of these videos. Excellent job!
Thank you so much! And hey, if you watch enough that 10% will slowly start to creep up
I made HI starting from KI. I bubbled chlorine through the concentrated KI solution till all the iodine precipitated, decanted and washed the iodine, added water and bubbled hidrogen sulphide till all the iodine got consumed, filtered the sulphur out of the solution and boiled the solution till it fumed. The solution was clear but it slowly decomposed over time and formed a big iodine cristal in the brown solution.
I love how you just put the condenser on the table after taking the flask out, leaving the excess acid to just carbonize it's way to Earth's core
Hehe glad you appreciated that 😉
I found a very interesting potential route to hydroiodic acid that could potentially be more attainable for amateurs.
It can be formed as a byproduct of the hydrolysis of tin (IV) iodide, which itself is a very easy chemical to make, just reflux tin, iodine and chloroform. It forms very beautiful orange crystals. These decompose in water to yield hydroiodic acid. Just an idea I had that might work. Idk if the tin contamination is a problem, but I imagine you can distill it out.
Reminds me that I need to order some potassium iodide. Great video as always!
Thanks man! And yeah its annoyingly expensive for a binary salt.. Always find myself running out because I hate buying it.
@@integral_chemistry I think a lot of the production goes to industry and stockpiles of radiation pills, I think that's why it's expensive. I know lots of people who have a bottle of the pills in their emergency kits.
2:32 That's often not the case. If it were, you couldn't make HNO3 or HCl with NaHSO4. H2SO4 is very strong, but HSO4(--1) is weak. When the salt & acid are mixed, there's an equilibrium between the starting acid & product acid. Even if it favors the left-hand direction, if the product is volatile, it distills off, in an ongoing process.
100% agree. I did touch on that but I do think I should have emphasized the entropic favorability with gaseous/liquid acids being so much more favorable than sulfuric/phosphoric acid and their salts
It's also interesting that you can make NaOH and KOH by reacting Na2CO3 and K2CO3 with Ca(OH)2 despite it being a weaker base.
That was gorgeous 😍 loved seeing the liquid iodine!!
Thank you! It was super cool to see, so weirdly metallic for something so absolutely nonmetal lol
I think the driving force for this reaction isn't that the thermodynamics drives the reaction to the right, but rather the volatility of HI as compared to the non-volatility of phosphoric acid. Its basically an application of Le Chateleir's Principle - distilling off the HI and removing it from the reaction drives the reaction to the right.
You're definitely 100% correct on that! However, Le Chateleir's principle is just a statement of thermodynamics at the end of the day. It's driven by temp and state which are the two major variables that determine entropic favorability. I do like your explanation a lot more than mine though, especially for a more general audience.
I definitely overcomplicated it for no reason lol
Have you ever considered synthesizing nitroethane? There’s an interesting method that involves the oxidation of pyruvic oxime with sodium perborate in acetic acid at about 50-60 C. The resulting α-nitropropanoic acid should undergo decarboxylation readily giving nitroethane (in theory at least).
Someone suggested this on Sciencemadness awhile ago, but I’ve never heard of someone actually trying it. I’ve always wondered if it would work, but I haven’t had a chance to do any experiments with it yet. So, it’d be really neat to see someone trying this reaction out, and posting the results!
Also, there’s a paper on this type of reaction that was published in Synlett in 1992. It’s titled “Convenient Oxidation of Oximes to Nitro Compounds with Sodium Perborate in Glacial Acetic Acid.”
I found this video very helpful as iodine is hard to come by these days. Have you made a video of how to make H4 P2 O6 before?, I can't see it in your Playlist. Great video mate... all yours are. Thank you.
I love those purple iodine crystals. I wonder if a better formation could be used by using one of the ionized dipping methods on the molten iodine, such as spindle-forming of crystals.
You can get iodine to melt without using an acid over top of it. It just puts off so much fumes that it makes it hard to see.
Yeah I think I tried that once when I was trying to sublime a bulk amount, absolutely insane how dense the purple cloud was lol
Most of this is way over my head. I really enjoyed watching it though, I've never seen this acid before. Thanks
No problem! It is a super uncommon acid (limited uses, regulated, and very unstable) so I doubt most people have seen this one, even professional chemists
the puck break at the end 😍
It felt really weird 😅 forgot to mention that. Super satisfying
Not sure what the laws are for those of you overseas from Australia or interstate from South Australia but here in South Australia hydroiodic acid is classified as a section 17B illicit drug precursor chemical, however that does not mean that it's outright illegal to be in possession of it, buy it or use it it simply means that some legal restrictions apply to the possession, sale and use of it such as a good reason for possesing it and a written EUD statement declaring that it will only be used for legal purposes is required to be submitted to South Australia Police but it's not outright banned or illegal.
the number should not be any higher. you got it perfectly. Very Nice xD
by that you mean the yield? Yeah I wasn't sure as I didn't really consult any literature for what I should expect for a yield, but good to know the number looks like it should.
Thank you btw!
We will wait for the surprise of preparing perchloric acid and hydrofluoric acid
Exelent work love your videos Greatings from Norway
Thank you! Happy to hear you enjoy my work :)
I've always wanted to see Norway, it seems truly beautiful
Great video! Thanks! I've worked with conc HF fairly often, it's not forgiving.
I think I remember you mentioning that before.. I don't have any firsthand experience with the stuff but there certainly seems to be a consensus that its serious business. I've got a good deal of calcium gluconate and I was actually considering making some once, but then I realized "huh... I want to make the chemical that dissolves glass using glass." Seemed dumb so I shelved the idea
@@integral_chemistry It's perfect for etching glass quickly, but extremely expensive equipment-wise for working with it safely!
@@flyingshards595it used to be used as an industrial glass cleaner too which makes me giggle cause like aren't you just dissolving what you're cleaning, found some bottle of it in the garage labeled as glass cleaner from when my grandpa worked at a refinery lol
@@noodlelynoodle. It's weird, right? Like washing an ice cube! But I guess a base bath is dissolving a bit of the surface of your glassware too
@@flyingshards595 yeah I suppose I hadn't really considered that lol like for chemistry stuff it makes more sense but this was just like glass cleaner for windows which just seems so overkill lol. Like maybe it's cause it was a refinery and it just worked really well for the specific buildups idk but we got rid of that stuff real quick when we found it
7:00 aluminum foil sometimes comes coated with a sort of plastic, so that may be part of the issue, although I'm not sure how common this is
Yeah that's true, and the oxide coating is also pretty durable. If you look closely you can see some slight reaction but not much
I would think that very pure HI could be produced by circulating dilute HCl through a column of ion exchange resin that has been activated with a solution of sodium or potassium iodide. The resin would swap its iodide ions for the chloride ions in the HCl, progressively increasing the HI concentration in the solution with each pass. When equilibrium is reached, simply recharge the resin and continue for higher concentration of HI.
Have you tried tungsten electrodes for perchloric acid production? It's a fairly cheap alternative to getting platinum/gold ones (same group).
(Tungsten is an amazing metal)
I have not but I love the idea! I'm actually surprised I haven't read about that anywhere before.. Tungsten is cheap enough that even if they get eaten by the process I could just pop in a new one and keep going (I think some types of welding electrodes are tungsten right)
@@integral_chemistry Yeah, just do a search for tungsten rods. And you will find plenty.
@@integral_chemistry
Yeah, TIG electrodes are Tungsten. (The process is called Tungsten Inert Gas or GTAW (Gas Tungsten Arc Welding)
@@integral_chemistry Do graphite electrodes not work? What about lead dioxide?
What a strange acid. Thanks for the video.
I love the purified iodine crystals. They make it look like Iodine is just barely not a metalloid.
Right? My main thought is that it looked very much like germanium
What about Lysergic Acid next?
I am quietly envious of the person's knowledge and abilities. Could you make medicine for me? I will supply pseudoephedrine :D
Idk what this is even used for, I’ve just leaned so hard into the “I’m on a list” meme that the algorithm delivers.
Brother in Christ! The idea of melting iodine under sulfuric acid is a stroke of genius!
Right? I really want to find that original post to give the guy credit because it worked so incredibly well. I imagine it would be even more efficient at larger scale
7:20 I don't know the pKa of HClO4, offhand, but I'm pretty sure it's the strongest of the common mineral acids.
I couldn't find a pka for perchloric but I think you're right. I know it's one of the two anyway. Perchloric is technically classified as a superacid iirc
This is gorgeous to look at! 😍
Very interesting. Thank you.
I'm not a chemistry student but am enamored with the process of chemistry. I am observing that heat and cold and other elements are the typical manner of manipulation in conversions. Is there any electrical or magnetic current ever used in chemistry other than the use of powering the heating utilities? I'm really curious 🤔
I'm not a chemist, I genuinely dont know the answer to this: could you use mineral oil for the melting step to suppress the vapor pressure? Or does the acid not dissolve a significant enough amount to make it worthwhile?
Thats actually a good question, and I'm honestly not 100% sure. I know sulfuric acid would work better since it won't dissolve nearly as much iodine as mineral oil would, and the high density of the acid itself probably helps it suppress the vapor pressure more efficiently.
Also sulfuric acid pulled water out of the iodine which mineral oil wouldn't be able to do. I think mineral oil would probably be possible but as you said the lower efficiency compared to acid might make it not worth it.. especially considering the insane cost of iodine (stuff is very expensive)
@@integral_chemistry I appreciate your reply! Lots of stuff to consider isn't there lol
Welcome back boys
Hey, your explanation and info on the screen at 9:50 for the halogenation of alkenes to alkyl halides is incorrect. EAS = electrophilic aromatic substitution, SN2 = bimolecular nucleophilic substitution. Alkenes do not react via these pathways. Alkenes undergo electrophillic addition, amongst others. :)
Great video man!
Glad you liked it! I am happy with how it turned out
Nice I2 sample!
I like how all you guys just tickle the balls of the DEA and RUclips algorithms 😂😂😂
Its hard work, but someone's gotta do it
it looks very metallic. I'm very curious to see will it conduct electricity or not.
Funny enough solid iodine cannot conduct electricity, but molten iodine can due to its autoionization: 3I2 ⇌ I3+ + I3−
There’s another method using iodine, red phosphorus and water, because iodine is kinda easier to get and cheaper than potassium iodide here. But will phosphoric acid combine with HI to form some azeotrope?
No it shouldn't. Phosphoric acid can't really evaporate under normal conditions (tends to polymerize when heated) so only HI should distill.
@@integral_chemistry Thank you, that’s new knoledge to me.
Red phosphorus scraped off of matchbooks. Popular way to make N,a-Dimethylphenethylamine.
It begs the question, however, why is hydrofluoric acid so dangerous to make? I recall my brother made some in his student years, and although the product himself had to be handled with care, for what he told me, the process didn't seem that dangerous. It isn't on that point that he insisted, anyhow.
The process is generally the same, but hydroflouric acid has two unique properties that make it particularly hazardous.
#1: Hydroflouric acid dissolves glass (and it's actually one of the very few chemicals that can). Therefore to distill HF this setup would have to be recreated with all copper, iron, or ideally Teflon rather than glass.
#2: hydroflouric acid is an extremely lethal poison through both skin contact and inhalation. There is an antidote (calcium gluconate) but the toxicity and inability to be contained within glass is a scary combo.
thanks for the video! Could you please include the song you play at the end of your videos in the description?
One more question sir! So i have no use for HI ! That being said should i just make the iodine the old fashioned way and then use the H2SO4, or is there a way to go from KI to H2SO4 's route??🤔
I'd say the best way to go from KI to iodine is definitely the classic acidification followed by oxidation with peroxide. Other oxidizers are possible but peroxide is the safest for sure 😁
@@integral_chemistry thank you !
I swear at least one person in this comment section has the knowledge to make some wicked drugs
this stuff looks dangerously tasty…you could mistake it for Balsamico. Probably not a good idea to make a salad dressing with it though lol
yo that collection flask kinda sus
LMAO I'm so happy someone finally commented on this thing! Literally the greatest flask I've ever owned
Your vial looks like it should be holding liquid luck from Harry Potter. Cool reaction vid.
You should make Fluoroantimonic acid next
Impressive!
I wonder if an anode coated with pure gold or a substance that is both conductive and extremely mildly reactive (if at all) would help with making your acids. Could an anode or cathode be made out of a conductive gel or highly viscous fluid that doesn’t dissolve away when a carrying a current ?
Question? What percentage of phosphoric acid did you use? I heard over 50% and you're going to keep getting decomposition into elemental iodine issues?
It was 85% diluted with an equal volume of water, so probably around 42%.
Definitely way less elemental iodine issues than when I tried using 75% so I think you heard correctly
@@integral_chemistry p.s forgot to say NICE! and thanks for the comeback going to give this a go tonight as i used the very last of my elemental months back making NI3! Uumh for research reasons! Yeah thats it, Say! You know? Wouldnt a hockey puck sized Iodine crystal be cool if we stuff a 3rd atom into it😂🔥
And here I thought that it was going to be used as a cosmetic for lawyers.
hehe the title does sound a bit funny
Wow! Giant NI3 crystals?
How long would an iodine crystal like that last in air before it evaporates away?
Thats a good question tbh.. Depends on a ton of different factors but a solid piece this size left out at 25C maybe a couple weeks? Might be worth a test
@@integral_chemistry Dang that's too bad. I'm an artist and I'd love to make iodine crystals similar to how bismuth makes crystals. Would it keep well if you kept it in an airtight container like a mason jar?
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Hi! Is it possible to make Ammonium fluoride at home? Would love to see a video on that. :)
You stated “the rule of thumb that one can only make acids that are….”… there are a many exceptions to that “rule” so it’s hardly an accurate statement. Nerd rage showed us one can make nitric acid using oxalic acid after all
And I feel like a jackass now because you just gave a good disclaimer directly afterward lol
LMAO You're good, and yeah I've always found it silly that its taught as a "rule of thumb" when honestly I've found it to be untrue more often than not. Enthalpy, entropy, and solubility always tend to be much more significant factors than acid strength. I think its really only a useful "rule of thumb" when it comes to weak/organic acids.
@@integral_chemistry To be fair I find most "rules of thumb" in chemistry are untrue more often than not lmao
If you didn't use a water trap, where is the rubber hose going to the right of your collection flask?
Can hydroiodic acid be used in place of hydrochloric for aqua regia?
Probably not tbh. HI + HNO3 would produce nitrosyl iodide, Iodine, and some water. NOI is very unstable so it would decompose into I2 and NO almost instantly. Iodide is just too good at reducing things lol
@@integral_chemistry What about HBr for aqua regia? Wikipedia claims that pure liquid bromine will react with gold so even if NOBr decomposes, something should still happen.
Wouldn't it be easier just to take red phosphors and combine with iodine?
How about some hypophosphoric acid? The dea doesn't like that one either
Ooh that sounds fun! I think it also has pretty poor stability, but might be fun to make just for the fun of it
Calcium iodide and oxalic acid should work
That collection vessel needs a flared base
LMAO
"Legal reasons." I'm just cleaning some bronze and trying not to die in the process.
Does anyone know if sulfuric acid is legal in EU? And elemental iodine
Sorta, it depends on the country. Poland is great for chemistry but some countries enforce the EU restrictions.
H2SO4 (>15%) possession is illegal in EU countries but poland doesn't care. Iodine is not restricted by the EU and I don't know a country where it is restricted by other laws
In poland you can buy pure 98% h2so4 for about 5 dollars per liter as drain cleaner
It is not legal to possess for private individuals in higher than 15% concentration in all the EU since 2021, but there is still plenty of suppliers who don't care and will sell it anyway.
@@ejtono1582 poland 😭😭😭😭 it sells so many fun chemicals
could you please check the conductivity/resistance of this coin (distance 1 cm apart)
HI there
Whats the track at the end?
I thought making perchloric acid was as easy as combining a perchlorate salt with conc. sulfuric acid and distilling?
It technically is yeah, but I really want to do it starting from table salt 😅
So how much ephedrine do I add and when?
How fast could this break cellulose down into sugar?
Can you do a ghb/gbl/1 4 butanediol video?
What music is that playing during the "iodine pr0n"?
Molten iodine is pretty.
It was remarkably pretty. I thought it would look more like bromine but it was a lot more "shimmery"
Nice crystals
7:35
Perchloric acid, Ka=Large
I laughed at that
I saw one really strange synthesis of hydroiodic acid in wikipedia using oxalic acid. The reaction: H2C2O4 + I2 = 2HI + 2CO2. Is such a reaction possible? Is this done by fusion?
Yeah I'm guessing that would have to be a fusion, although that would create 100% HI gas which depending on how you want to collect it could be very good or very bad. Seems like it would definitely work though
This is nitpicky, but that's not how I nor anyone I know pronounces hydroiodic. It gives off a dilettantish air. Just saying. No disrespect. I enjoyed this very odd synthesis.
lol well thank you, glad you enjoyed it! TBH its such an uncommon chemical I don't think I've ever heard anyone say it before. Now I'm gonna go look it up so I can feel silly.
Stoichiometric, nice.
What is the not-so-legal use?
Methamphetamine
Mixing it with psuedoephedrine.
Reduction of pseudoephedrine (sold as cold medication) to methamphetamine which can then be purified and crystallized as the hydrochloride salt.
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 you never disappoint lol
@@scrappydoo7887 lol, I try.
You should let someone with a exciting voice talk for you
Hydrofluoric acids easy anyone can make that in their kitchen using normal everyday items... So yeah you're right there's no reason to make that.
I like iodine, much nicer than bromine.