Can You Trust NileRed?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- This video is just for fun to see if I can recreate his experiments. *I did generalize the (optimal) meaning of peer review, often it is not necessarily reproduced (replicated). Unless the paper is purely calculations etc like we more often see in physics. A lot of papers are not reproducible even if they are peer reviewed, which is why replication is the ultimate test of truth for an experimental procedure. Even with non-identical condition, since many steps can be done slightly differently even though in essence the chemistry is the same. We sometimes see this with checkers from OrgSyn who will slightly modify the procedure if they found something better.
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Chromyl chloride: • Making my favorite liq...
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Now we need a third chemistry youtuber to see, whether we can trust Chemiolis
That Chemist sort of did that
@@skyethebinow we need NileRed to see whether we can trust That Chemist
@@craigstephenson7676 I think NileRed should see whether we can trust Sir Humphry Davy. Check to make sure that strontium and potassium really exist.
I vote that we have NurdRage moderate all of this!
this aged well
in chemistry we don't copy video ideas, we REPRODUCE them
In all fields of science is done. And is a CRUCIAL step to theory develelopment, as a validation process.
@@Chico_Julio true, it just looks funny from the content creation perspective :p
@@Wielorybkekonly kinda. While in creation you typically want to do what’s popular, and will get you more sales. In chemistry it’s more about what get you results
And then we use clickbait titles
peer review
Honestly, the point where Nile tried to make cherry flavoring and accidentally created a war crime was one of *the* chemistry moments of all time.
He is Canadian so it’s kinda expected
He what?
@@itsTyrion He uh... he miscalculated some things on his recent video where he tried to turn paint thinner into cherry soda flavoring and accidentally created a gas that is banned by the Geneva Convention because it was used as a dispersion weapon during WWI.
@@itsTyrion he made mustard gas or something
If you take in to account his heritage it’s even funnier
Better Question: Can we trust NileGreen?
True
You can
Can we trust Nile Blue?
Phsss its mister now
I'll do you even better: who's NileGreen
“As a creator, I understand why he left out the yield. As a chemist, fuck you.” 😂
12:35 😂
Science and Medicine, one of the few places left in Academia where they throw hands😂
@@129140163You are a gentleman and a scholar.
That made me laugh because everything else was so subtle or just a bit backhanded😭
came to the comments to check for this before i wrote it myself, not dessapointed to see it as the 5th comment listed.
off-handedly describing the chromyl chloride cleanup as "I then cleaned it all with water" when NileRed has an entire video documenting his own disastrous cleanup is just a little bit cruel
@@nontrashfire2 ...Stupid...guy! I SAID PLUUUUHHHH!
But nile is a creepy little pee drinker
@@nontrashfire2shush with your childish nonsense dear.
You don't get to pick what other people call you ......
my bad dude, it wont happen again man@@nontrashfire2
@@nontrashfire2 assume deez nuts
Nile red wouldn't want you to trust him, he'd want you to look at the source material, and others work too, same as he did.
I don’t think Nile trusts himself let’s be real here
@@zandaroos553 True, how many scientist got themselves mamed, irradiated, killed tho... seems to be a risk they all take... i think tho, nobody should try this stuff unless they have the right equipment and know how to use it all, and actually know how to do the math... it's chemistry, not alchemy...
@@zandaroos553 that's why he always drop and smash a lot of things, he's so frustrated by the reaction so he doesnt even trust himself
Name a more iconic duo than Chemiolis and the short-path Vacuum destillatilation apparatus .
I'll wait.
explosions and fire and plastic cups
ChemicalForce and the stuff of our collective nightmares .
@@kaboom4679i was going to say ChemicalForce and way too many unnecessarily long slow motion shots.
Extractions and ire and tar
@@jerrysanchez5453 Explosions and Fire AND Extractions and Ire and Orange Chemistry
I don't trust him to bake cookies thats for sure
that was the duumbest waste of money. he's really gone downhill. money made him dumb
@@GigsVT I bet he earned the money back tenfold, so not really waste of money in that sense lol. But yea money makes creators less creative overall I think.
@@error-4518 sure but that's part of the problem. If he can get revenue and patron for doing dumb stuff why would he even bother doing chemistry.
Its like a new mr. beast, he know what the platform wants, not what chem enthusiast appreciate. I wont deny that he started the chemistry movement in youtube, him and fire&explosions, but I no longer what his stupid videos, I mean, where is the use in cola made from gloves? I really miss when he worked in his parents garage, those videos helped me a lot in college lab (specially the caffeine extraction). Its an equipment for each video and it isnt used anymore. I see him releasing a video in after months, I wonder how the patreons feel about that.
Ann Reardon had a look at that, big issues were (1) the chocolate Nile used was 100% cocoa (most commercial dark chocolate is 80% cocoa, 20% sugar); and (2) the flour he used was "hard red spring wheat" - which is quite bitter - but also the flour was packaged in 2013. Using stale bitter flour and no sugar in the chocolate - there was nothing wrong with the recipe itself - the choice of ingredients is what killed it.
That Chemist: “Can we trust Chemiolis?”
Chemiolis: “Can we trust NileRed?”
NileRed: “Can we trust Sir Humphry Davy?”
To be fair to NileRed, he kind of makes a thing about not being that scrupulous with his method; like a soft-core edgyness. And I guess that's part of the appeal? But he appears to freely admit to cock ups, and from someone with just chemistry a-level (me) he seems to explain the chemistry well too. I see no reason not to trust him, at the level that I need to trust him. This video was also interesting though. Can't complain at more chemistry content.
Yeah I definitely don't have a high enough understanding of Chem to reproduce any of his tests myself but from the stuff I do know his science is solid he screws around and uses tools he doesn't need to for the fun of things so I trust that he's creating what he says he is to the level I need to which is fun science man who's making things for the hell of it
>Want to fix errors of others
>Handles dangerous chems with exposed arms
Safety violations increase engagement via the comment section, which is far more important.
@@abnorc8798 i'm so so so sure you're thinking too far into it
@@abnorc8798💀
It balances out with NileRed pouring the most dangerous shit without a funnel
First Explosions&Fire and now NileRed. Who's the next target for Chemiolis to start chemistry beef with?
Chemdelic? 🤔
Prussian Blue. I bet Chemiolis will have a cardiac arrest once he catches a whiff of what this mad lad is cooking.
Heck with that, where's Greeniolis at??
Chemiolis takes down himself in a long, weird, recursive beef that loops until it eventually collapses in on itself and forms a black hole from which no views or likes or comments can escape. Make it happen!
I trust Chemiolis more than the other guys, this dude is good... really good.
The clickbait we all deserve
Nile red has a very advanced home lab and I think sometimes he over does very simple steps in procedures which more than likely impacts his yields :)
I think this exact thing whenever he touches anything that resembles a tool.
he's lazy, that's all. that's why his yields get fubared. it's part of his charm, same with Explosions and Fire.
Have you seen his new lab? He offhandedly has a tube furnace and an NMR that he's used once. It's far from a home lab.
@@ExarchGaming I feel that Nile tries hard to be a real chemist. E&F is a super smart dude and does it for fun, which is where I find the entertainment value.
@@JaredBrewerAerospaceE&F is also technically a physicist, which makes his chemistry shitposting in a shed even funnier
Its really cool that you chem RUclipsrs seem to be teaming up to test each other's methods and demonstrate peer-review to your audience in the form of entertainment. Keep it up!
I just generally like watching NileRed, as well as the other chemists including Chemiolis as well, as I like to see how they put chemicals together to make something, including my favorite, fluorescent chemistry.
He makes very entertaining videos.
You might like ChemicalForce (lots of glowing, sparks, etc. & nice shots) and StyroPyro (more into lasers & engineering but is a chemist proper, and lots of glow!)
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens He makes the best. That video nearly a year or so ago that looked like a mini nuke was the bees knees.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 I like Styropyro's little squirrel pal. And his newest full video (not short) is pretty impressive. There's more than one mushroom cloud!
im a tar chemistry man myself
Peer review and reproduction are two very different and very important processes in science. Peer review is when experts read and critique articles before they are published. Reproduction is when other labs try to reproduce the same results, like with lk99
The quality of science on RUclips is increasing constantly and I’m loving it. Peer review, reproduction, formal scientific disputes, it’s amazing. A whole new venue for scientific research, funded by the curiosity of viewers rather than the potential for industrial profit.
Im loving it honestly, never did i think i would see someone peer review nile red and its been 2 times now! Both incredibly done and educational as well :)
Finally some drama in the youtube chemistry community (don't touch prussian blue you will end up finding a pipe bomb in your next delivery)
You are asking can we trust nilered but I'm now asking can we trust YOU?!?
Man, you should really be a bit more careful when distilling ether. The Setup at 11:03 screams for a fire. I've heard of many cases where ether fumes ignited on a hot plate, its really not fun. Make sure to use a roundbottom next time. D:
D-i-stilling! Not destilling!
@@MichaelLapore-lk9jz fixed!
"As a creator, I understand... As a chemist, fuck you."
literally just sums up a lot of his content tbh
12:35
Now I wanna see if you can trust Nile green
💀
Two of the best Chemistry RUclipsrs, I want them to colab and make met-.
Methyl anthranilate!
Sure NileRed had a lot of screwups and this video does seem like he’s better and cleaner but let’s remember that this is a second attempt. As all things in experimentation goes, the 1st attempt usually gets most of the erroneous paths. Ergo, the 2nd has a much more straightforward way of getting it right, and in a cleaner way too.
"In this video, I dunk on Nigel's chemical techniques and get better yields. "
This is genius! Make videos in a very similar way to nilered a channel who uploads like 3 times a year and then make a video with a clickbait title about him that would make nilered viewers curious so you get allot of his audience and because of the similar style allot will probably stay!
edit: This is not meant to sound negative.
I wish I had a quarter of his equipment. Have you seen his Spectrophotometer?????? Not even my university has half of his equipment
That chromyl chloride mechanism hurt my organic chemist's eyes and soul
10:12 From my experience is advice that acqueous phase(bottom layer) is separated using the faucet instead the organic phase(top layer) using the upper part of the separatory funnel. Since most of the time the product of interest it's in the organic phase using this method you prevent contamination with what's in the acqeous phase
I just realized I’m watching a chemistry video… to procrastinate doing my chemistry homework
You just opend a paradox cause… how can I trust you?
i should start a chemistry channel and just mix random liquids together and just pretend to produce some chocolate or maybe gummy bears or something
You have a promising tiktok career
Someone quickly inform NileRed let's get this youtube drama started.
can't wait for the diss tracks
13:45 I don't know why, but seeing that tiny stir bar spin make me chuckle
This is probably a tough question to answer but I keep asking it to myself (not a chemist): to what extent do we understand what goes on in a chemical reaction? like, say I wanna synthesise a given compound: is there in general a finite set of rules I can look up and use to eventually deduce a synthesis procedure, or will there be a lot of reaction-specific knowledge that requires a lot of trial and error?
As I (another non-chemist) understand it, we have a pretty good idea of what's going on inside a given chemical reaction, provided we know all the materials involved. Most of early chemistry revolved around A lot of chemistry projects are 80% figuring out what is going to happen on paper long before you start adding chemicals in beakers.
If you're interested, the Crash Course channel on RUclips has a series on chemistry that has helped me get a better understanding of what's actually happening inside those flasks and also briefly covers the big discoveries that led to our current understanding of chemistry.
ZERO. you have zero understanding of what is going on. What you learn is not what, how, or why BUT *when*. 99% of so called scientists completely fail at having a clue what they are doing and it makes them dangerous. Like a kid that has a gun and thinks he's a gun expert or a government that has nukes and thinks they are gods gift to humanity.
All science is is models of reality(*MODELS*). Science works by making those models approximate reality until they no longer work to achieve new results(which is why science is stagnating now). Statistics/repeatability is what makes things work and provides the answers for the *when*. E.g., *When* I do X and Y and then Z I get Q. All science is is statistics applied to logic for approximate the cause and effects of temporal coherency. It works quite well because the universe is relatively stable currently.
As with most science, it was all trial and error in the early days, when enough is discovered by trial and error for patterns to emerge, the picture gains more and more resolution, which gives us more data to make more accurate predictions. Now we have some pretty decent software to model reactions based on previously gathered data, which is more or less accurate. We can pick and choose chemical building blocks with various functional groups and how they behave (how to assemble and disassemble them), these narrow down the possible reactions to the point where organic synthesis is almost akin to Lego, only putting the blocks together isn't quite as simple. When it gets to the actual practical application, reactions are mostly predictable now, so we return to the trial and error to fine tune the synthesis. Tweaking variables one at a time until we get consistent, repeatable results.
Chemistry involves a *lot* of repetition.
Chemistry involves a *lot* of repetition.
Chemistry involves a *lot* of repetition.
😁
very helpful thank you both!
@@fmdj both doesn't include me since there are 3 replies in the last hour. I'm likely shadow banned, can you verify?
People out here in the comments literally getting mad over peer reviewing. What the heck are you people on
You can definitely trust him to make something stinky
As a chemical engineer, I leave it up to the chemists
This is a chemistry diss-track.
Funny because I literally just watched a video by `That Chemist`titled `Can we trust Chemiolis?`... lol. Who guards the guards, and all that.
Was looking for this because the same happened to me. Can't wait for the 4th in the series, since is turtles all the way down.
This is my kind of Influencer drama bait
but... can we trust Chemiolis...?
Now that, is the right question
The oxygen does not take a proton from the toluene before the double bond of the ring attacks the chromium its vice versa in my opinion cuz the oxygen isn't basic enough and the hydrogen isn't acidic enough to drive the reaction. So the double bond of the ring attacks the chromium first(which breaks a chromium oxygen bond simultaneously and an O- is formed) leading to formation of a carbocation which then pulls electrons from the carbon hydrogen bond making the hydrogen very acidic. It is then deprotonated by the O- forming the following intermediate product
I dont get why NileRed didnt just go with the halogenation --> substitution --> oxidation pathway, looks way safer and less random in terms of regiochemistry assuming he uses some protecting groups. I think he just wanted to use kewl blood juice lol
00:13 "...even if we do trust him - trust is mostly irrelevant to science. Instead, we should use the most important pillar of science: reproduction." *proceeds to open pornhub*
Can we really trust NileRed while also acknowledging the same exact person on NileRed commits absolute atrocities on NileBlue?
Ok brother lets not try to cancel Nile
Nile Red conducted amazing science when he created Aerogel, a beautiful etherial looking substance.
You know. I am 100% for these playful jabs at Nilered. The subtle yet pronounced fuck you at the end was a chef kiss moment.
I don't even know what you were trying to make but just watched the whole thing so facinated
Nilered should seriously publish a paper detailing every step he takes for his syntheses
"As a creator, I understand why he left out the yield, as a chemist, fuck you." Poor Nigel XD
Why have you got beef with nial red
"wet it with some carbon tet" bro is just casually using the ozone destroyer 9000 for wetting filter paper
It's great to see other creators reproduce and improve upon popular experiments on youtube. Unlike other types of videos on youtube, I think people are more accepting of recreations when it's done with scientific experiments. Although the clickbait title on this video is not ideal, I understand that because of nature of this platform it is necessary in order to gain visibility.
i love how in the upcoming videos there was a video from that chemist about should i trust chemiolis
don't know, don't care,i don't even trust myself.
What are the chemical types missing together to ssd activation powder
I love NileRed. Can't wait for his uploads
My man went full Russian elections mode with that 130perc. yield..
I think your title is a bit harsh, it makes it sound like nile has been lying to us all this time lol.
I think his amateur chemistry is part of his charm, he's more like a partner in chemistry class you enjoy doing the experiment with, regardless if all goes tits up.
How can we trust you? Or any scientist for that matter? You're just a guy on the internet like he is. Just because you show some chemistry without your face means you could be doing a voiceover of some video you found on Google.
i trust him as much as one can, he is to me what ozymandias was to the egyptians
i really appreciate chemiolis showing the mechanisms for this. with me taking my first orgo semester this year, its nice to be able to get used to them out of class!
NileRed will probably be responsible for thousands of kids deciding to go into chemistry. Are his videos scientifically flawless? Probably not since he's doing them to entertain and educate people, not do actual research. He's popular because he's likable, unlike most of the cynical losers taking shots at him in the comments here.
But.... can't we just make benzaldehyde from benzil chloride?
I just realized it was for fun lol
so what is the verdict? im lazy to pay attention rn
really enjoy NileRed's videos. Seems like a great guy with a lot of passion for chemistry.
Can we trust chemiolis
real talk i posted a comment on his wood armor video (very cool btw, made my inner D&D nerd very happy) that just said that "gun licenses are cringe" (I'm American, my state doesn't even have conceal carry licenses) and "honestly shooting by your self in the woods is way better than at a range" and it was removed instantly. only reason i know this is because i went to edit it after it worked to stop a .22 but deformed the back of the wood to say that soft body armor does the same thing which is why people saved by their armor usually have broken ribs and internal bleeding.
was really expecting a saucy exposé, thumbnail game strong
10:39 “Chromium junk” 😂
12:38 “As a chemist, fuck you.” 😂
These one-liners catch me off guard and are hilarious! Thank you! 😂👍🏻
Im still waiting for him to attempt cloning polaroids instant film recipe. Paitently. Because when he does an overview video. Im immediately going to replicate it.
...couldnt be any harder than the time i tried (and was somewhat successful at) making silver gelatine.
“Acquired through many years of suffering” 😂 facts
Never going to complain peer review
The duo that will save the world (or end it)
First chemist youtuber to post on how to cook meth gains my trust.
The title of this video is clickbait, just someone trying to use Nile Red's search results to get RUclips views - Chemiolis's chemistry techniques are better though the title makes it very 'climb on someones else's bandwagon' for a few extra views/cents. I like both channels.
'd say he is a great Creator but his chemistry skills are rather low. Anyways he is probably one of the many persons why I'm studying chemistry atm. So thank him I guess? :)
I see how I shouldn't act in the lab, yes😅
@@TonyDeBlark congrats, you figured out why it's embarrassing to say that NileRed isn't educational. Yes, a few people here are actually trying to make that argument.
Canadian to Dutch rival: Hey mate, my predecessors stopped at New Amsterdam. Have you dissolved it? Our folks still have some real estate yields. How much do yours still have to show?
Where did he get that station thing for the sep funnel? I've never seen a plastic thing like that. I want!!
I think we can trust NileRed more than we can trust ourselves
Our descendants are going to look back at Nilered like a religious figure, the internet is such a gloriously cursed place
Isn't the oxidation of toluene with permanganate in a sulfuric acidic solution more common and health friendly than using chromyl chloride for this purpose?
Isn't the use of Cr +VI compounds banned by REACH regulations for non-licenced enterprises like monetized RUclips channels in the EU anyways?
But in general I agree with you: RUclips chemistry videos are the source of templates with the highest rate of fails in recreation for me.
I don't think they really deceive us deliberately, but maybe they show us the only run that has worked, but not all the fails and their reasons before.
When I saw the thumbnail and title I thought it was a mile green episode😂
I'd love to see you an Nile make something cool together . that would be a great video
Now i feel we need a peer review of the peer review
"As a creator, I understand that he left out the yield...
As a chemist, FK YOU!"
Damn! That was personal 💀💀
Wasn't that 《fuck you》 a tiny bit exagerated?
But can we trust Chemiolis?
Chemiolis is the Stain of the RUclips Chemist universe, or maybe the All Might... Who know's lol
i don't think nilered can trust nilered tbh
we peer review shitpost chemistry in this community
2:14 sick dab rig. Let me know how it hits!
And then That Chemist is being skeptical about you.
trust him or not i just love learning about stuff by seeing people experiment
I rewatched NileRed while being bored eating KFC in a hotel on a business trip. And now I'm in this RUclips chemistry rabbit hole
“ there is some art in finding them and fixing them ( Chemical mistakes ) which often requires advanced knowledge of chemistry, acquired for many years of suffering. “
Good to know, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel because man, I am in the suffering stage!!