I think the only thing that doesn’t sound human here is you my man. Pumping out all the content you do, and giving us all the good information. Totally inhuman lol. I personally haven’t experimented with midi guitars since I play guitar but my brother might get a real kick out of trying some of these techniques since he’s a drummer. Thanks for the tips as always.
As a guitar player for 18 years with a recently severed fingertip rendering me unable to play. recently i have had to utilise sampled guitars and rethink how i feel about sampled guitars. I have no issue with it anymore. Appreciate this video and how helpful it is to people in my current situation 🤘🤘
I’d like to see the acoustic midi sounding realistic. I’m not in a metal band but I have a BG in hardcore and punk rock so I get a lot of advice from you, Joey and Glen Ficker from SMG. Thanks for all your content brotha! I’ve learned a lot from you. Keep up the great work!
I know what I'm saying doesn't have to do with midi guitar.. but I have been watch your videos for a while and been learning alot and applying it as well and I'm taking on my first band in my home studio.. I posted I song I did about a month ago after watching, following and applying what i learned from this channel and it seemd to really impressive to these guys. I'm a little nervous but excited at the sametime.. thanks for diving into alot of the topic you guys do from drums to bass and guitars. I truly appreciate it and hope to share some of the music with you guys. Until then CHEERS my dude !!
Dude, this video couldn't be more on time. Buddy just sent me a full midi session for a demo and I'm using Odin. Boutta knock his socks off! Thank you so much Miami!
this is gold, solo musicians that do covers or social media demo stuff could benefit of this, i think the first tip it's so obvious for all the midi programming that you didn't want to say it: You have to write down the parts correctly and with logic, some people try to write these unrealistic fingerings and riffs that doesn't translate well to realistic sounds, or the other way around, way too simple, no ringing out, even no muting, etc
@@joeymusic brother, please do also how to get a great guitar tones with only plugin such as JST Jason Richardson etc ,, i mean only direct + plugin only
Oh, great timing on this video! Your transition game is always actually top tier it's scary. I know that Tokyo Scoring Strings has a crazy look ahead feature, and it's made by the same people behind the Shreddage libraries, so maybe they aren't actually that far out. The low end tip actually seems insane, gotta try it out.
these toold are honestly a great help to me, and in no way a replacement, i'm still learning guitar and i'd love to get to the point where I don't need them like that anymore
Yaaaassss!!Odin!!!!!! My buddy and I got Solemn Tones Odin recently, and we have been very grateful of it. Funny enough, I follow both Solemns Music channel, and his Yugioh Channel :D It's time to M-m-m-m.m.m.m.MIDI......
Hmmmm. I recently relocated to another country and left all my gears like guitar, preamps and audio interface in my home country. But every day I have a bunch of new melodies in my head, so this is a good trick to make some tracks without a guitar! Thanks!
Loved this one! In general, I would love to see a humanizing MIDI series for acoustic & clean electric guitars, bass & drums (both stuff like toon track and 1 shots). For me, the big things I don’t know are the ms or sample ranges that would be appropriate for timing, nor the velocity ranges to stick with or to avoid. Anyways, thanks for another kickass video!
I actually used ODIN and everything is 100% midi in my 2 latest covers on my channel. Post Malone Rockstar and Cher's Believe. I think making MIDI sound more human depends a lot on the type of song and what's being played. Just the amp sim you use can make a ton of difference.
Well done. Helpful tips for sure👍🏻🤘🏻 And yeah, I would be interested in acoustic guitar realism. The native instruments picked and strong acoustic I have are really awesome, but always good to see improvement tips
Being a drummer who uses Odin heavily in my writing, this video was very helpful. The only thing that i struggle with is getting my midi guitars sustain their notes more during a long outro of a song & not a lot of videos seem to talk about that particular subject.
Appreciate the video! For some reason, guitar MIDI still upsets people as if the bassists and drummers haven't been getting the same treatment for the past 10 years now, lol. I love it for demoing because I can knock out a whole song so quickly, and with this I might be able to even eventually release a track with all MIDI instruments. We have been making metal production so fake with hyper editing that at this point might as well just go all the way and commit, haha.
I like playing guitar. That’s reason enough for me, not to use MIDI guitars. But very interesting, how far it has come. By the way, that progression with the synth supporting is just amazing!
Great video! I find chugs/rhythm/breakdown/lower octave stuff relatively easy to make sound realistic but my problems are with leads and solos. They sound wayyy to fake and easy to spot. Any tips on that? Thanks!
Ok 1 Need to listen to that song, Miami those are some kick ass pipes 2 Midi guitars... Yeah! Loving the idea, the perfect tool for creating backing tracks (and hence drill some finger knotting exercises at ever increasing tempos, different keys, etc) In short... Awesome stuff!!!
Even though I’m not one to use it (MIDI guitar), it’s such a great tool for composition or inspiration, helpful for many I’m sure. On a similar note, I’d love to see a vid on how you edit guitars in Reaper. It’s something I’ve spent hours creating hot keys for, learning how to do, but seems to be hard to find videos on. I know I would’ve loved to have something like that when I was learning how to do it. Same goes for vocals too. Just a thought, great vid as per usual. :)
More tutorials on how to program these kind of sounds would be great from a non-guitar/bass player. Also, some protect downloads to study the midi would be usefull.
Got some demos I'm working on that have midi guitar because of all the reasons you listed at the start. Been using RealLPC and Hydra, and tbh its already sounding close to decent. After I finish doing scratch vocals I'm keen to try this process on the guitars to see how it comes out the other side. Also, RealLPC is the only one I've tried that has that gives me the stank face when palm mutes come in. Low end feels great on it. Although I've been eyeing off odin too...
Noooooooooooooooooooo 😭 Edit: I had to get to 2:10 thank you Miami for relating to and expressing how guitar players feel. I personally don't like the thought of people not learning the instrument and instead programming it to the point of it being EDM, however I do understand the reasoning. Simply, people want to make music. I'm still salty though.... 😩
sorry im a latecomer to the video but I was wondering how many semitones to shift the duplicate for the low end boost -- or just the octave? Also how does one edit "transients before and after the beat? Is there a resource you can refer me to? Thanks for your time and teachings.
I can’t figure out how to use midi controllers dude it’s breaking my brain. I have a sweet keytar I can’t figure it out. Or where to get plug-ins/sound modules. If anyone has some tips @ me please
Another major mistake of programming MIDI guitars is not using libraries that offer a broad array of articulations, or, if they do, not using them - dead notes, palm mutes, scrapes, harmonics, squeals - they're all essential. Fret position is another thing people overlook: the tone of one note can vary a lot depending on which string you play it. Fortunately, some sample libraries are taking this into consideration and giving us awesome new things every year!
maybe you can do a new video. there is now odin 2 here and axe machinica. many like play a guitar midi vsti and trigger it with a guitar audio to midi plugin to play double tracked rythm. I do tests but problem with this midi guitar is that mutes and chuggs sound very bad. for example when play the rammstein song du hast or many others. maybe you can get good sounding with toneforge amp sim modification ?
Please!, show us how to humanize the MIDI guitars like you did it for this video, although if you have one video like that, I'd appreciate if you tell us here it is.
I want to know how to WRITE guitar into the piano roll. In terms of getting more natural sounding voicings. Maybe ill learn here but if not ill leave this comment up
The best tool in your arsenal to make MIDI guitars sound real is to actually learn to play a real guitar, and you'll instinctively know what sounds right and what doesn't.
I'm a guitarist, and I love writing on guitar, but when it comes to recording then MIDI guitars are the best! No need to worry about dull strings, or faulty cables, and every take is perfect first time every time. Unless someone from a MIDI company comes to my door and says I'm not allowed to play guitar any more, then I don't see the issue? I think folk just like to gatekeep.
I feel metalcore is just getting more fake and industrialized by all these tools. Yes, it allows more people to create their art, but also most of metalcore musicians suck in their songwriting skills and all of them sounding the same doesn't help neither.
@@marcmusic8301 There are no guarantees in life- period. It's a risk-reward kind of world. Spending time and money is a risk and not a guarantee but I live by the philosophy no risk it, no biscuit. Much of what I hear from new songwriters sounds very safe which is boring to me.
I think the only thing that doesn’t sound human here is you my man. Pumping out all the content you do, and giving us all the good information. Totally inhuman lol. I personally haven’t experimented with midi guitars since I play guitar but my brother might get a real kick out of trying some of these techniques since he’s a drummer. Thanks for the tips as always.
Thanks so much, Brady! Glad it’s enough good info to keep you around!
-Miami
As a guitar player for 18 years with a recently severed fingertip rendering me unable to play. recently i have had to utilise sampled guitars and rethink how i feel about sampled guitars. I have no issue with it anymore.
Appreciate this video and how helpful it is to people in my current situation 🤘🤘
I’d like to see the acoustic midi sounding realistic. I’m not in a metal band but I have a BG in hardcore and punk rock so I get a lot of advice from you, Joey and Glen Ficker from SMG. Thanks for all your content brotha! I’ve learned a lot from you. Keep up the great work!
You should check out Orange Tree Samples, specifically Evolution Songwriter. Great acoustic MIDI stuff.
So, you're an Armchair Musician?
I know what I'm saying doesn't have to do with midi guitar.. but I have been watch your videos for a while and been learning alot and applying it as well and I'm taking on my first band in my home studio.. I posted I song I did about a month ago after watching, following and applying what i learned from this channel and it seemd to really impressive to these guys. I'm a little nervous but excited at the sametime.. thanks for diving into alot of the topic you guys do from drums to bass and guitars. I truly appreciate it and hope to share some of the music with you guys. Until then CHEERS my dude !!
Dude, this video couldn't be more on time. Buddy just sent me a full midi session for a demo and I'm using Odin. Boutta knock his socks off! Thank you so much Miami!
Anytime my dude! Hope you love it!
-Miami
Moving one track before the grid and one after it is brilliant! Thanks for the tip!
Hope you have fun with it! It’s a cheat code
-Miami
Dude you are a lifesaver. I live in a hospital so I’ve got to fully program everything, never could get guitars right! I’m hype!
this is gold, solo musicians that do covers or social media demo stuff could benefit of this, i think the first tip it's so obvious for all the midi programming that you didn't want to say it: You have to write down the parts correctly and with logic, some people try to write these unrealistic fingerings and riffs that doesn't translate well to realistic sounds, or the other way around, way too simple, no ringing out, even no muting, etc
Yup. I already had to talk about humanizing so I didn’t really want this to get to “explain it like I’m 5” level
-Miami
Acoustic MIDI guitar video would be very interesting!!!
Same here! I'm curious to see how a producer would go about achieving that.
Alrighty, I’m on it
-Miami
@@joeymusic brother, please do also how to get a great guitar tones with only plugin such as JST Jason Richardson etc ,, i mean only direct + plugin only
Great video ! I'll be happy to see more content about midi guitar/Bass/drums/instruments
I’m all for it
-Miami
Oh, great timing on this video! Your transition game is always actually top tier it's scary. I know that Tokyo Scoring Strings has a crazy look ahead feature, and it's made by the same people behind the Shreddage libraries, so maybe they aren't actually that far out. The low end tip actually seems insane, gotta try it out.
these toold are honestly a great help to me, and in no way a replacement, i'm still learning guitar and i'd love to get to the point where I don't need them like that anymore
Yaaaassss!!Odin!!!!!! My buddy and I got Solemn Tones Odin recently, and we have been very grateful of it.
Funny enough, I follow both Solemns Music channel, and his Yugioh Channel :D
It's time to M-m-m-m.m.m.m.MIDI......
Yup yup
-Miami
I'm about to be without guitar access for several months so this is well timed and pretty useful.
12/10 for the sub CTA too.
YO Miami !!! I love your enthusiasm!! Another killer video from the whole JST team !!
Glad you enjoyed it my friend!
-Miami
Hmmmm. I recently relocated to another country and left all my gears like guitar, preamps and audio interface in my home country. But every day I have a bunch of new melodies in my head, so this is a good trick to make some tracks without a guitar! Thanks!
Rad to see Solemn Tones getting the shout out! I love Mjolnir Drums and Kraken Bass as well!
JST thumbnails have no chill. I love it.
We out here for real
-Miami
Loved this one! In general, I would love to see a humanizing MIDI series for acoustic & clean electric guitars, bass & drums (both stuff like toon track and 1 shots). For me, the big things I don’t know are the ms or sample ranges that would be appropriate for timing, nor the velocity ranges to stick with or to avoid.
Anyways, thanks for another kickass video!
FINALLLY! Thank you Miami!
Sorry it took so long
-Miami
I actually used ODIN and everything is 100% midi in my 2 latest covers on my channel. Post Malone Rockstar and Cher's Believe. I think making MIDI sound more human depends a lot on the type of song and what's being played. Just the amp sim you use can make a ton of difference.
Yes to acoustic MIDI guitar tips. Thanks!
This was good man
Of course we want the acoustic guitar video !
It’s in the queue
-Miami
Well done. Helpful tips for sure👍🏻🤘🏻
And yeah, I would be interested in acoustic guitar realism. The native instruments picked and strong acoustic I have are really awesome, but always good to see improvement tips
Keep 'em coming 🤘🏿
Will do!
-Miami
Being a drummer who uses Odin heavily in my writing, this video was very helpful. The only thing that i struggle with is getting my midi guitars sustain their notes more during a long outro of a song & not a lot of videos seem to talk about that particular subject.
Export to audio and time stretch
Great job, man!
Thank you for this brother!
DOPE! Would like to see how u made that palm mute sound. Diggn the sound over all tho. Great work!
Appreciate the video! For some reason, guitar MIDI still upsets people as if the bassists and drummers haven't been getting the same treatment for the past 10 years now, lol. I love it for demoing because I can knock out a whole song so quickly, and with this I might be able to even eventually release a track with all MIDI instruments.
We have been making metal production so fake with hyper editing that at this point might as well just go all the way and commit, haha.
Lol so true!
Programmed vox when?? 😳😳😳
@@theinfant can I get a vocal impulse of Adele?
@@okaight7248 yeah for sure, we just need a way to make Adele play a small white noise blip through her vocal system. 🤔🤔
Yeah, people are gonna get butthurt but pretty soon songs will be mixing themselves
-Miami
@@joeymusic Sounds great to me. May the best songwriter/artist win.
Would love to see the acoustic Guitar Video!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤟
i usually dont comment on these videos but miami you are so goated and funny 🙏🙏🙏
Appreciate you Nick!
-Miami
I like playing guitar. That’s reason enough for me, not to use MIDI guitars.
But very interesting, how far it has come.
By the way, that progression with the synth supporting is just amazing!
Glad you like it bro!
-Miami
Great video! I find chugs/rhythm/breakdown/lower octave stuff relatively easy to make sound realistic but my problems are with leads and solos. They sound wayyy to fake and easy to spot. Any tips on that? Thanks!
Ok
1 Need to listen to that song, Miami those are some kick ass pipes
2 Midi guitars... Yeah! Loving the idea, the perfect tool for creating backing tracks (and hence drill some finger knotting exercises at ever increasing tempos, different keys, etc)
In short... Awesome stuff!!!
Thanks, Eduardo! Its in my spiritbox video
-Miami
Even though I’m not one to use it (MIDI guitar), it’s such a great tool for composition or inspiration, helpful for many I’m sure.
On a similar note, I’d love to see a vid on how you edit guitars in Reaper. It’s something I’ve spent hours creating hot keys for, learning how to do, but seems to be hard to find videos on.
I know I would’ve loved to have something like that when I was learning how to do it. Same goes for vocals too. Just a thought, great vid as per usual. :)
I’m down to do a reaper guitar editing vid in the near future! You’re right, most of the online tutorials suck
-Miami
More tutorials on how to program these kind of sounds would be great from a non-guitar/bass player. Also, some protect downloads to study the midi would be usefull.
ur pro as hell :)
Hi Miami!
Can you make a Drumforge tutorial to get similar drum sound like in this video? 🤘🏻🥁
Got some demos I'm working on that have midi guitar because of all the reasons you listed at the start. Been using RealLPC and Hydra, and tbh its already sounding close to decent. After I finish doing scratch vocals I'm keen to try this process on the guitars to see how it comes out the other side.
Also, RealLPC is the only one I've tried that has that gives me the stank face when palm mutes come in. Low end feels great on it. Although I've been eyeing off odin too...
I use Real LPC too. Sounds great IMO, and I'm just using a really old amp sim.
i really appreciate this video
Noooooooooooooooooooo 😭
Edit: I had to get to 2:10 thank you Miami for relating to and expressing how guitar players feel. I personally don't like the thought of people not learning the instrument and instead programming it to the point of it being EDM, however I do understand the reasoning. Simply, people want to make music.
I'm still salty though.... 😩
sorry im a latecomer to the video but I was wondering how many semitones to shift the duplicate for the low end boost -- or just the octave? Also how does one edit "transients before and after the beat? Is there a resource you can refer me to? Thanks for your time and teachings.
12.... because it's an octave
what plugin you use to have the DI Guitar?
Odin by solemn tones
-Miami
@@joeymusic Thanks!!!! Love u!
Oh!!! Mic giveaway soon?!? ✨️ 😃
That’s how I know you’re an og, dandalf 😂
-Miami
I can’t figure out how to use midi controllers dude it’s breaking my brain. I have a sweet keytar I can’t figure it out. Or where to get plug-ins/sound modules. If anyone has some tips @ me please
Ayeeeeeee 💥🔥💥
Another major mistake of programming MIDI guitars is not using libraries that offer a broad array of articulations, or, if they do, not using them - dead notes, palm mutes, scrapes, harmonics, squeals - they're all essential. Fret position is another thing people overlook: the tone of one note can vary a lot depending on which string you play it. Fortunately, some sample libraries are taking this into consideration and giving us awesome new things every year!
Which libraries are best for this? Thanks in advance for the reply
Cool video. It would be cool if they made virtual guitar on ios.
maybe you can do a new video. there is now odin 2 here and axe machinica. many like play a guitar midi vsti and trigger it with a guitar audio to midi plugin to play double tracked rythm. I do tests but problem with this midi guitar is that mutes and chuggs sound very bad. for example when play the rammstein song du hast or many others. maybe you can get good sounding with toneforge amp sim modification ?
2 part i test the demos of ample sound and realguitar vst
I'm confused on what midi ur using for the vst raw guitar sound :(
I’m using Odin guitars
-Miami
Please!, show us how to humanize the MIDI guitars like you did it for this video, although if you have one video like that, I'd appreciate if you tell us here it is.
10:12. It was at this moment he knew…
For real... that was brutal
-Miami
what guitar vst is this?
I want to know how to WRITE guitar into the piano roll. In terms of getting more natural sounding voicings. Maybe ill learn here but if not ill leave this comment up
How about using midi guitar for a shredding lead?
That one never sounds amazing to me lol but I can show some tips🤣
-Miami
People always ask me how I get my guitars sounding so good x D midi baybayyy
The best tool in your arsenal to make MIDI guitars sound real is to actually learn to play a real guitar, and you'll instinctively know what sounds right and what doesn't.
I'm a guitarist and I actually think it's great. Just another tool for song writing.
The main thing I struggle with is getting any riffs on the higher strings sounding more real cause they just sound so fake. Any tips?
Tried string locking in the shreddage series? Also adding reverb or delay or distortion can help
Acoustic MIDI, yes!
Its on the way!
-Miami
I just subbed harder than you can djent! 😅
🐐🐐🐐
hey miami :) can i hear some of your production?
2:55 the video starts
New Subscriber here
for the lowend part can you use an octave pedal?
You sure can
-Miami
this video is helpful but i can not stop thinking how weird that hat is.
08:02
your voice kinda sounds like Ronnie Radke if he had a shoegaze phase this isn't an insult i stg
these are old tips. The true problem isn't any of these. It's the source sound.
I'm a guitarist, and I love writing on guitar, but when it comes to recording then MIDI guitars are the best! No need to worry about dull strings, or faulty cables, and every take is perfect first time every time.
Unless someone from a MIDI company comes to my door and says I'm not allowed to play guitar any more, then I don't see the issue? I think folk just like to gatekeep.
No Humani(z)ation*
It's so much easier to just grab a guitar and play it, than spend hours mapping out shit and trying to humanize MIDI.
Facts, if you have a nice guitar, new strings, a setup, something that can tune that low etc. but a lot of people don’t have the luxury
-Miami
poor mic 😆
Poor wallet also =/
-Miami
Midi guitars sound fake because the samples are stretched.
WIth most Kontakt libraries each note is actually an individual sample.
I feel metalcore is just getting more fake and industrialized by all these tools. Yes, it allows more people to create their art, but also most of metalcore musicians suck in their songwriting skills and all of them sounding the same doesn't help neither.
More breakdowns than brain cells.
Please make a video about Ukraine, it is so necessary now! Now our cities are being bombed, Ukrainians are dying.
Or hire a real session guitar player to record your part.
Ideally that’s the way to go
-Miami
Using real guitar doesn't guarantee the song will blow up.
@@marcmusic8301 neither does using midi. It's about trying a different approach if something isn't working.
@@petealba707 save time and save cost. More efficient.
@@marcmusic8301 There are no guarantees in life- period. It's a risk-reward kind of world. Spending time and money is a risk and not a guarantee but I live by the philosophy no risk it, no biscuit. Much of what I hear from new songwriters sounds very safe which is boring to me.
I would of subbed, but the shit you were doing around that mic and with your eyes was weird. Just keep it real brother.
That’s all I’m doin out here fam. Love it or hate it I can only be myself, everyone else is already taken
-Miami