My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking! As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available, Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics But no goddamn patience! I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique Thanks
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
What would I do without these videos... But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)? "The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising. Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing. Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
Most of these tips are amazing, but I'm really against hyper-polishing a mix. Takes should not have to be cut up that much to be acceptable and line up
That’s just not true, I can play every part I write but can I do it perfectly like a machine ? This technique is to get perfection , if you don’t want a perfect take and want a more natural feel don’t edit . Of course the less editing the better the player needs to be but it all comes down to how perfect you want it. I like my recordings to sound like I’m a robot 😎
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
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My GUY, growing up listening to your god-tier post-hardcore mixes I never thought I'd get this insight straight from the source. At this point, I will admit that I have picked up a lot of these tips either through hours of tutorial digging or hours of experimentation, but the sauce is all here, and clear, and from the man himself. Thanks Joey.
melodic death core
melodic death core
Pretty much exactly what I thought when I found out he had tutorials on RUclips!
This video is a wealth of knowledge! Probably one of the best channels out here!
Your channel is helping me with my guitar production so much, thank you.
That's awesome! Keep rockin!
I learn more in the 9 minutes your video last, than in years trying wrong ideas, SUPER GREAT VIDEO.
This was so helpful. I was wondering about quadruple layering in choruses too, and now I’m excited to do it and alter the tone a bit. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Do you hard pan all the tracks? Do you ever do like 80% left and right for specific stuff? Always was curious about that.
This is the information I needed in my life.
Always wanted to figure out how to layer rhythm guitars properly!
ikr, it's very hard to find these stuff for metal music around internet. That mono compatibility trick is what I needed
very hard to find anything metal and modern 😂💀
I would love to watch a live stream of Joey editing/mixing a song
He did on nail the mix a bunch. He even did a more recent one with attack attack’s new song
Nail the mix or Creative Live
I've seen it before
Count me in!
second that 🙌🏻
Man, Sturgis is the frikkin god of metal mixing and tone. Toneforge Jeff Loomis changed my life. And this video was a game changer for my guitar sound, not just the double/quad tracking but also the use of atmospheric cleans and the use of effects to create texture. We bow in awe.
Reaper "licensed for personal/small business use", eh ? 😅
Good catch lol
shhhhhh ;)
Well this is sad to see tbh
On a quad track recording I particularly like the blend between 2 tracks recorded on a bridge humbucker and 2 recorded on neck+bridge splited coils. Great blend with the seymor ducan sentient/nazgul.
I’d be interested to see how you would mix a indie rock band.
Wait, was that “All My Life” by Attack Attack! I heard?? 👀
Yes!
So many great tips in just one video! Amazing as always!
The song you featured in this video is BANGER! Very Scandinavian melodic style, love it.
Excellent - thank you
Thanks dude this is so useful!
Glad it helped!
Please make more of these. Like... so many. I'll give you a hug and a free song.
I never thought of processing my FX post-record on the DI... Thank you!
Fantastic Video! Thank you!
Some of my favorite guitar layering is what Ken Andrew’s did on Failure’s Fantastic Planet… so good.
So good tutorial video.
Great Video!! Thank You!
Great channel, my new favorite place to check out with a cup of joe
Great info here, for sure
Awesome tips. Thanks man.
Hey man,really loved your way.
Could you please explain that rhythm section chop in a brief.
Thanks.
Great vid one of the best I’ve seen regarding multiple guitar tracking!
As a studio and touring guitarist first from the late 70s hard rock 80s glam,metal and virtuoso and still playing I have always struggled with getting that big sound with separation definition and clarity
God knows I have everything from radial for RE-amping, axe Fx and every plug-in emulator available,
Ox box, Torpedo, tons of vintage heads and cabs some great mics
But no goddamn patience!
I’m also very interested in this Mutt Lange technique
Thanks
This is pure gold man
Great hints. Thanks
Lots of good tips here!
when you quad track, do you pan all of them hard left and right, or you spread along the pan ?
the song itself is amazing
2:47 is this attack attack? sounds like a riff from the newer ep
You‘re awesome! Thank you!
Thank you for the info! When quad tracking, do you hard pan guitars 3 and 4? Or do you bring them inward more? Maybe even expanded further out? Or do they sit on top of the already hard panned guitars 1 and 2? Thank you!
Sounds amazing Joey thanks
Thank you, Joey! Very informative video!👏
That's a treasure chest of information, thank you for sharing!
I totally forgot that the amount of layers affect the size of the overall mix. I feel dumb after that one but this will help me so much!
I always quad track my rythem guitar tracks for the chorus and then double track in the verse
Nice video! Trying to break into metal production and this helps alot. There are plenty of techniques I've used dozens and dozens of times before but its nice to see them being repeated here. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I love guitar left high end thinner, right guitar high end like thinner, duplicate left and right then make the guitars more thick mid range and blend them in all together. 100/100 high end 76/76 thick end. 🤘
8:57 - That man right there is a God among men
Mann I just found this channel by chance... This is hands down my favourite mixing/producing channel! It's like watching a TV show and it is everything Nail the Mix should have been! Focused and to the point!!
This was very helpful. Noticed my mistakes right away. Thank you!!!
I love the tone you achieve with the guitar, it reminds me a lot of Cathedral! Cheers!
Anyone know what Reaper theme this is ?
Is there a link to the song @ 8:29?
Anybody know the song around 7:58? Melodic stuff!
Thanks for the tips Joey!
Great video. Any suggestions how to approach guitar layers and pan for rhythm guitars on verser if the guitars play harmonies for melody notes during the riff but falls back on the same "chugg base note" in between? Like old school In flames etc. Does this require 4 layers, two for each harmony and panned like L100 R 75 for one of them and R100 and R75 for the other or something since you still want the harmony notes to be clearly panned to each side
Always usefull tips, thanks JST!
The thickening 🤘🏽
The single note chord building, insaneeee
Read: lazy guitar technique
I mean...or you could learn how to play...
Thanks dude.
What would I do without these videos...
But Joey, could you maybe do a video about the important balance between the Bass and guitars (especially in the more heavy-ish genres)?
"The key to a great guitar tone, is the bass" is a quote I think I once heard in one of the many URM Academy videos on YT
REALLY COOL VIDEO!
Anyone knows how to get the floating mixer like in 1:55?
right click on the mixer dock thumbnail... uncheck "dock mixer in docker" 😉
The man the legend the vst plug-in...
Man, I really gotta stop watching your videos while I’m on a timeline…now I gotta go quad-track a chorus 😢
Wow! Thank you for this GREAT video! This opened my ears to create better-sounding guitars in my songs. Mucho Thanks!!
Helpful Lesson! Thanks!!!
Awesome video! Btw, how do you do that mouse selection around 1:45?
Please make Toneforge available on the M1 chips! 😫
Whats that song on 3:00?
What theme are you using in Reaper?
This man speaks fcking truth to power! 🤘
How would you go about panning the guitars where there is 2 distinct guitar parts? Such as harmony guitar riffs etc? I get the double track each guitar and pan L+R but how would this work for harmonies that are panned L+R without having both parts of the harmony in both ears? Hopefully I've explained this well enough 😅
Do you double track at once or in separate takes??
Or phase cancel issue?
are all of the pannings hard left and right ? for leads also?? thanks
Dat kul man 👌🏻
This is AMAZING!
Nice video! Very helpful 👌👌
Joey giving away all the secrets.
Using that high end Gio. Nice👌
For me the biggest challenge when it comes to double tracked guitars is mono compatibility. For some reason my guitars seem to disappear in mono, even when they sound very different. I know I'm not alone with this, many people seem to have the same issue on forums. When I switch to mono, suddenly the snare and the vocals jump out waaay too much. Any advice?
My understanding is it's kind of the nature of the beast. Panloss settings can affect this from what I've heard. But a surprising amount of professional tracks disappear in mono. Listen to your favorite metal tracks and see how they do in mono. It's actually quite surprising.
Another thing you can do is switch out what cabinet you're using for each track, which is really only possible if you're doing it with amp sims like Joey. Another thing to keep in mind: the vast majority of people are going to be listening to the song stereo.
Pan law was what I meant
These were some cool tips!!
how did u drag that track in mutt lang method? mine doesnt work. pls help
sweet thank ya
Joey the Legend!
Massive intellectual property here ✨️
a goldmine!
great video especially about the tape/foam - any products on the market for this?
Gruv gear sells stuff for $20 or more, but I've found that a velcro cable tie with the loop side on the strings does the same job, and you can get a huge roll of them for the same price. But the specialized products are more aesthetically pleasing.
Don't forget the tremolo springs as well.
The master of production ! Thanks for all.
Awesome! Quick question! If you have 2 guitarist doing different riffs, do you double them, hard pan? Then merge and Pan those 2 performances L R?
Why doesn't the octave differences give the feeling of being out of tune? I've experimented with these and I always get the feel of out of tune.
What’s the song at 2:45? Gnasty af!!
Pretty sure it’s an Attack Attack song off their 3rd album. Edit: upcoming album “long time, no sea” song called All my life
Wait, no, I’m smooth brained for a second… it’s one of their new singles, “all my life”.
All my life, he wrote the new music for Attack! Attack!
Weird question, but which Reaper theme is this? I love it
Smooth 6
@joeymusic thank you!!
I'd like a tutorial on how you setup reaper to be so pretty!
The lead guitar section was SUPER useful - thanks Joey! I'd been struggling with lead guitars so this helps give me a little bit of a foundation to come up with something unique. Thanks again!
The double track performance dropping back a few ms with different mics were to I buy this from?
What is the name of the mic SIM unit did you say tunforge
I love u joey !
Most of these tips are amazing, but I'm really against hyper-polishing a mix. Takes should not have to be cut up that much to be acceptable and line up
I feel like it comes down to the musician at that point.
Yep I feel the same! Editing is a shortcut for not getting the takes right.
Unfortunately, this is how records are produced nowadays 🥲🥲
That’s just not true, I can play every part I write but can I do it perfectly like a machine ? This technique is to get perfection , if you don’t want a perfect take and want a more natural feel don’t edit . Of course the less editing the better the player needs to be but it all comes down to how perfect you want it. I like my recordings to sound like I’m a robot 😎
Fair point, but another is what sound are you going for? A live garage band vibe or a tight production? Both are valid.
How do you make this gradient color tracks???
How come when I record guitars they sound terrible and quiet hard panned left and right, but sound good when panned like 75% or less?
What reaper pitch algorithm are you using for stretching the DIs?
Reapitch
What would you suggest for a verse where it’s basically just the rhythm part and bass with no lead guitar? Think like the first verse in Run Away by For All Those Sleeping
I heard that Attack Attack riff ;)))
I would pay money for a start to finish recording and mixing/editing tutorial from joey. Is that already a thing anywhere..?
Yes look up Studio Pass on Creative Live