The Truth About Heavy Guitar Tones
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Joey shows you how to get a huge guitar tone using the bass and kick to give the context you need in your mix. What tricks do you use to get the biggest rhythm guitars in your mixes? Let us know in the comments!
0:00 Introduction
0:35 Balance
1:17 EQ
2:51 Tone
3:43 Automation
7:15 Closing thoughts
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To the video editor that makes this easy to follow. We see you.
thank you 💙
Joeys editor and graphic designer is a god amongst men.
Yep.
Editing is an art. How people can remember to follow all these little intricacies is mind blowing to me.
Mixing is art, editing is just a very small part of it.
Editing is necessary evil
@@phantasma669 nothing evil about it- IF the editor is good. Otherwise it’s like giving an ape a gun.
@@BradsGonnaPlay in other words giving an american a gun...
I find it amazing how much of modern metal tones is actually the bass part.
So true. I noticed this while listening to Starset. I'd love to see a quick demo how they record and mix their tracks.
@@TheKingacevedocan second with starset. it varies song to song, but in trying to replicate the sound from Ricochet, i realized the real secret was the bass and honestly the thing that made the most difference was including a chorused saw synth playing octaves. it gives that warm blanket you don't get with the guitars alone. plus, by aggressively sidechaining the saw to the kick or just pumping every beat, you can give the rhythm tons of power without lowering guitars at all
This was hands down the BEST and I stress THE BEST video I've seen on youtube about the dynamics between guitar/bass/kick. So many people try to explain but Joey just nailed it! Thanks I really learned a lot with just 8 mins of golden content!
When it’s a Joey video, you better strap in. A whole ton of gold is about to come at you at light speed!
Idk who edited the video, but this is honestly one of the most straight forward and easy to follow tutorials that I’ve seen on RUclips. Will be subbing! Thank you for quality content and information.
Another super helpful video from JST. Thanks, guys! Loved how you kept the first half rudimentary but then bumped up it up to more advanced techniques in the second half. Goodies for everyone.
I think this is exactly what I had always been looking for and didn't know it. This was done in such a simple way that allowed me to learn. Seriously, thank you for making this video!
Exactly what I needed! Thank you JST!
love the speed, accuracy and details :-) THANK YOU!
Love this. Been trying to explain this all the time
Best metal mixing video I've seen on yt. Will be coming back to this vid for sure for the more advanced tips.
One of the best mixing videos I've ever seen. A lot to think about and try.
this video changed everything for me 1 year ago. Its just so perfectly explained. Good job
These videos help out like crazy!!
Very infomative and encouraging. Thank you!
Pure Gold!! Thank you for that!
The wisdom contained in this video is invaluable. My mix just underwent an extreme transformation thanks to what I learned here. THANK YOU
Been validating many of these very points myself in the past months. Best video I've seen in a long time.
such a well made video. touched on so many good points that many others dont. thank you!
Great content, man.
It's those fine little details that bring it all together 🤘
this was really helpful! Kudos to you!
Great pointers. Thank you.
lovely video all in all! appreciated
Amazing video! Thanks a lot!
Awesome vid 🤘
This is the most informative video i ve watched on the subject. Lots of info without the '' series " syndrome where you have to watch 20 videos with unnecessary details.
this is a great video and not something i would have thought of! Thank you
huge thanks !
Thanks for this was a great break down. 🤘
Dude this was a really great one! The eq space for guitars bass and kick is something I just experiment with but if Joey has starting point recommendations Im def trying in my next metal song. Def gonna try those automation tips too such gems man too. Thanks.
This video is very informative
Thanx!
Thank you for the informative video. Excellent!
im just getting into heavy guitar tones, i appreciate this a lot!!
I've learned so much from just this one video idk why I haven't binged everything on this channel yet just subbed its in my to do list now thank you for this priceless information Joey
This is pure gold! I like information like that when I'm hearing it I'm like "oh yeah, of course, that makes total sense"!
This video helped me to double check my mixes. Thank you.
Great video. I learned a lot !
You nailed it all man as always.
Thanks for the awesome tips! Found this video today by accident. I was searching for years after something like that!
Great vid, thanks!
Your a legend man. Such a good video.
Great video Joey 💪🏽
Awesome video. That relationship between guitars and bass stuck out to me the first time from Breaking Benjamin's album Dear Agony. Rhythm section in unison is like a huge fat wall, but if you subtract the bass you are surprised how little comes from the guitars. And that thing with less gain is oh so true. I am currently working on a mid tempo modern rock tune, and I use (emulations on the Axe Fx III) a JCM800 and a Fender Bassman for the rhythm guitars, quite cranked but without a pedal in front, and it sounds heavier than anything I ever did with high gain amps like Engls or 5150s.
Biggest tone I ever achieved (by accident, I was a moron back then) was a JCM800 2204 at about mid gain, no boost, mids all the way up. The *right* part and bass guitar made that insane.... Have not really been able to replicate that, I should give it a go!
super cool - best easy short tip video ever 😎 thanks
this is so helpful!!!!
Thanks, Joey!
earned a follow right there
This just helped me mix and EQ one of my songs, thanks
Loved the old school synths!
WITHIN THE RUINS....... by far is my favorite production. Unreal what they accomplish with levels/layers. They are my standard and the hard work achieving that sound has paid off immensely!
Brilliant…thanks!!!!
I will definitely save this video. Cool
Reeeeeally good video. Thanks!
this is gold....
i love you for this
Thanks!!
woa, just learned something new! hahaha. Hopefully be able to apply this if ever i'm making music. Thanks!!!!
I literally just asked about this on another one your posts 🙏
My method was to make all instruments sound like 1 instrument. This pretty much explains everything with more depth. Thankyou
with that great video you win my subscribe for sure...
This video helped a lot! I have noticed you do lots of editing in music, can you do stuff on maybe more natural sounding music, like death metal?
Best video I’ve seen with mixing metal EQ frequencies. I wonder how much difference hard rock frequencies from metal would be?
Let's fucking go, god I wish I had these videos 5 years ago
great tips
Amazing tutorial, love the wall of sound approach. What is that song at the end? Also curious about the songs used for demoing these techniques!
I always like to get my drum balance with all my samples and everything in, then bring in a bass tone and then do my guitar tones. The more context the better the tone will fit the song
Wow the automation part between the EQ sidechained with an expander... and yes Bass is 65% of the guitar sound in metal! took me years to realize that..😉
This is the best video I have seen on mixing metal guitars. I usually stop in the comments to add some extra information not covered, but this video does a great job covering the basics from start to finish. I love the visuals in this edit as well! Killer job!
I guess the only thing I would add is that the guitar player should know the frequency spectrum of their guitar using their specific tuning. Knowing this spectrum can help inform the musician which frequencies they should be cutting or boosting.
Thank you Joey... Seriously...
Really nice vid, sometimes we overlook the basics
Excellent. The guitar is sometimes even very "thin" and not fat at all. But with great kicks and bass, it can destroy ears 😜
Yeah the big low end that you get from a les paul sounds great solo but mostly gets removed in a mix.
I've learned a lot of your videos, thanks for making these videos for us :D BUT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT how you make the gradient look on your tracks?? Could you share how your settings are to get those gradients so smooth? Anf how you change the gradient colors so easily? :)
I've figured out how I can add gradients with the SWS-tools for reaper, but not change the colors of the gradient and deciding the color range etc.
Amazing! What type of guitar is playing in the end of the video? It sounds really great 🥺
Personally I love the power trio setup. You can make your bass straddle the line between bari and stamdard bass, and leave a lot of room in your guitar. It's a relentless assault, just listen to Blue Cheer... Yeah I know Motorhead is the ultimate metal trio but personally I like the Bluecheer guitar better (Lemmy however, cant be beat)
Anyway, all of this changes if you have 2 or more guitars of course thats why the trio can be so fun
Joeys editor and graphic designer is a god amongst men.
Unless he just goes it himself lol
So helpfull thank you so much for this. Which DAW are you using for the clips ? Thanks
I get that having a HPF on rhythm guitars that comes up to 150Hz is fairly standard in modern metal, but for anyone that's playing different genres of metal (thrash, death, groove, nu, etc.), a multi-band compressor on the low end of the rhythm guitars and a steel HPF set to 75-95Hz is generally enough. If you want guitars with a hard low end (hard to describe), combining a HPF with a reasonably thin boost at around 66-77Hz (and bringing it up to just below the rest of the track on the EQ display) will give it a massive and thick sound.
Just don't go overboard with it and make sure that you are cleaning out some other parts in that place, as the 50-100Hz range can get very cluttered with more than 2 instruments in the range. I would say you would also want to cut around the 115-175Hz region on the guitars to make range for the bass. If you have a good kick-bass relationship, this is a great place to boost. It makes the mix sound punchy and thick, and make's it easier to hear the bass guitar (especially if you're boosting around the 130-225Hz range).
Amazing
Gold
I've been experimenting lately with lowering the subs on the guitar instead of just cutting them off. Keeps it heavy. ;-)
panning is also important element for the guitars
in a nutshell : balancing, eq, and AUTOMATION.
i'm somehow guilty of not using enough automation which doesn't help with what i'm trying to achieve lol. Great tips as always, Joey!
ok quick question i love this vid by the way. in the event the drum track comes to you as a whole where you cannot seperate the kick to eq what would be best senario?
One of the songs used in this video is from The band atack atack - all my Life
Nice.
That Picture of the eq`s in the beginning is so hepfull. I wish i had mor of those pictures from different genres.
I know that it depends on the audiosignal but it is still more helpfull than Artists talking hours.
fuckn cool yo good vid
I imagine I’m still throwing in too much gain overall. Such a hard habit to break going from a live tone to something that can translate in a recording space
My issue with gain seems to be that if I cut it down, my palm mutes sound weak
@@ITzRobertoBRO I had that problem! A trick I liked using to get around it is to compress the DI before it went through the amp. Worked most of the time :)
@@theinfant good tip, I'll look into that, also, do you have a suggestion about harsh frequencies? I.e. if I cut the higher frequency out I seem to make the tracks "dull" but if I leave them in, my mix seems very hissy
All in all I'm shooting for the Mick Gordon and Andromida tone but struggling desperately to retain high end without it hissing it's brains out
@@ITzRobertoBRO I think some people like to cut down to about 8k because you don't really need those frequencies on high gain guitars, however I usually just shelve it down to leave room for airyness in vocals and cymbals and stuff, but try playing around with your cab settings, they can be super important for getting the tone how you want it
@@theinfant appreciate the response broham I look into it
My trick is layering up to 16 times with 8 different fuzz pedals, then quad tracking rhythms through 2 dirty, but not heavy tones and topping it off with heavily compressed clean guitars soaked in chorus. Then after all that I mix the groups and group it all into one, then treat as one track with the kick & bass. Totally over the top, but sounds big.
Sometimes, more is more 😁
i always quad track my guitars for the chorus and then double track for the verses and maybe breakdown if i put one in my instrumental
2nd time watching, brojangles. Won't be the last! Thanks for helping us old dudes sound a little cooler!
Man all good…but how do i dial a guitar tone before all of this…to get some ideas and get inspired i need to play some stuff on guitar before i go with bass and drums…how can you dial a complete guitar tone with plug-ins to play along with? I get the chain: noise gate, OD, Amp, IR loaded and then EQ…but then what else?
This video showed me I know nothing about mixing still I guess. I usually do a huge boost in the low frequencies of the kick. I still have the bass live above it but I dont do boosts much where he showed and I think I might be cutting too much guitar with high pass.
I would have added some sub-bass synth to reinforce the rest of the sound. It's hard to do much better than a bass guitar in live settings, but real sustained sound under 100Hz is what makes a produced song hit.
great video!!! what theme are you using on this video?
following...
Great
I just stumble upon your video and is awesome that I get to see your content.
Your tips on the CreativeLive Channel "Post-Production Sounds and Tricks: Explosions with Joey Sturgis" six years ago got me very interested on your knowledge and I'm glad you have a channel exploring all those different concepts.
From Colombia one new subscriber !
okay Joey, but what about a snare? If I want a fat down-pitched snare, what can I do besides sidechaining? Where is the power of snare - in the lowest reverb?
How can I have your reaper configs? The way you automate volumes by simply selecting an area and clicking it, the way you drag your screen horizontally.. How can I do it???