No one knows. Chess has been played in Persia for more than 1000 years. It is very likely that there was a super genius among them who could potentially beat even all today's grandmasters. This is why the GOAT debate will never settle for chess.
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@@SaeedAcroniaLikely? It's like saying " Greeks have been long jumping for thousands of years, it id's likely someone jumped longer than the best today". Not a chance!
@@jevitigre this polemic opinion is bullocks. Not even Steinitz had a resilient argument to support it. Read David Lawson's book on Morphy. There's a newly edited and affordable paperback out on amazon.
Two 90 year old chess addicts John and Jacob had been friends all of their lives. When it's clear that John is dying, Jacob visited him one day and says, "John, we both loved chess all our lives, and we played chess for so many years. Please do me one favour, when you get to Heaven, somehow you must let me know if there's chess tournaments there." John looks up at Jacob from his death bed," Jacob, if it's at all possible, I'll do this favour for you. Shortly after that, John passed away... At midnight a couple of nights later, Jacob is awakened from a sound sleep by a blinding flash of white light and a voice calling out to him, "Jacob--Jacob." "Who is it? asks Jacob sitting up suddenly. "Who is it?" "Jacob--it's me, John." "John! Where are you?" "In heaven", replies John. "I have some really good news and a little bad news for you." "Tell me the good news first," says Jacob. "The good news," John says," is that there are chess tournaments here in heaven and better yet, all our favouite chess players who died before us are here, too. Better than that, we're all young again. And best of all, we can play chess for hours and we never get tired." That's fantastic," says Jacob. "It's beyond my wildest dreams! So what's the bad news? *"You're paired with Alexander Alekhine with black colour in the chess tournament to be held next week over here... !!!"*
John and Jacob were paired up at the local chess club. John was a bit intimidated, as he was new to the club and someone had told him Jacob was "a real chess fiend, he has played here every Saturday night for as long as I can remember." They settled into the match, finding themselves in a closed position. With only a few moves to make time control, the pair noticed a funeral procession driving slowly past the club on the way to a nearby cemetery. Although he needed to make 3 more moves with just ten minutes remaining, Jacob stood up and approached the window, bowing his head as if in prayer. He waited until all of the cars had passed, then returned to the board. He made time control, and the pair fought for another 45 minutes before agreeing to a draw. Afterward, John introduced himself, and during the conversation, complimented Jacob. "I was really impressed there when you left the board to take a moment of silence for that funeral procession. You are a very thoughtful person, I can tell." Jacob shook his head dismissively. "No, no, it was really the least I could do. After all, she and I were married for 48 years."
Meek was basically acknowledging that Morphy pwned him - he “had the judge in his pocket.” So I guess the joke was that if Morphy kept destroying him over the board he’d have to return in kind, and their size difference made the image of an actual man in a pocket funny. :-D
I love how much more interesting these old games were - risky gambits, odd openings, not automatically resigning when you’re down a piece, etc. Today’s top-level chess often feels like a contest of who can more closely approximate an engine.
The problem isn't with the style of humor as much as the language used then makes it sound much more stilted than it would have been seen at the time, and definitely being part of the spectacle in real life -- a giant of a man (playfully) threatening what looked like a little boy that was soundly thrashing him and every other adult in sight -- would have made the humor much more apparent A modern version, making the threat and the 'getting clowned by a midget' aspects more noticeable, might have Meek saying "Son, if you don't give me SOME kind of chance for even five minutes, you ain't gonna live to see your 13th birthday". Or maybe "... I'm gonna drag you out behind the woodshed". You know.. like if you thought he was serious it'd be like too far but when you know it's just some dude being a salty blowhard like eighty billion twitch streamers do every day, not so bad. Anyways sorry for Alpha Zero depth joke analysis. Great video as always.
Well maybe back at the 1857 you couldn't resign, you had to play a move first (proving that you do have a legal move therefore the game is not a draw by stalemate) and then resign... Who knows :P
I think the joke is ment like in star wars when r2d2 played chess against chubaka and the c3po said that he should change his tactic since wookies are known for taking your arm if they lose to you
As I've been watching this channel, i've been steadily getting better at finding the move, which is a fun way aside from rating numbers to see my improvement.
You don't even need to capture the queen, cause after king F2, you can play queen H2 check, followed by queen E2 mate. Opponent was simply overwhelmed.
I think the joke about put him in my pocket refers to morphy not giving too many secrets away at once or the judge would be able to steal them and use them for himself.
Love from Iran, in these days we can't go out in Iran too much because of new Corona virus, so I just watch your channel, I think I can watch your videos from the first one, again, Love from Iran
Best reply for Morphy: Meek COULD pick me up and put me in his pocket..... but only after I put him in his place. Mic drop (had they existed). Alternative: Good burn, Meek. Maybe one day in 150 years or so, someone with a passion for chess and unforeseen technology will pluck your name from the dustbin of history so that you aren't completely forgotten. But of course, in the end, you're only known for losing to me. Mic drop (had they existed.)
Loving the Morphy saga. Also, I believe that joke was a classic southern (USA) 'polite burn' as Meek was from my home state. It's like saying "bless your heart" to someone who is being stupid or an asshole, but much more bourgeois. It was about Morphy's height in particular because Meek's ego had probably taken a hit after being swept in three games, yet he was trying to be gentlemanly about it.
"Look at mick" @3:45 am watching the the game at least 3 times now but I still laugh 😅🤣😂 when you say it. Thanks for your impressive 👏👍 commentary 👏👍👌.
Actually that joke Meek told was pretty hilarious if you think about the tension. Small people were even more looked down upon then so when such a little guy "packs a punch" that really means something.
I think the comment was insulting. Meek couldn't beat him at chess, so mocks his diminutive stature. In Los Angeles, and probably many other places, comment like that could get you shot.
Dan Kelly It was asked about at the highest levels. The answer is no. I even checked and it's practically never played by top players. www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?page=312&eco=C45
Maybe the joke meant that meek will not let go of morphy as he'd wanna defeat him. That's why he'll put morphy in his pocket and take him away so that only he can play the legend
Perhaps he thought there was so sort of etiquette protocol that dedicated that one should only resign on the opponents move or something, hard to explain the nothing moves otherwise.
Last year's favourite Halloween mask: a Trump head. This year's: Morphy! (Kid wearing a Morphy Head mask knocks on the door. A guy opens it and says, "What's the idea here?")
The real goat of chess. No book no opening theory.. no internet games.. nothing except pure creativity.
And dont forget Morphy played mostly patzers that barely knew how to move the pieces
No one knows. Chess has been played in Persia for more than 1000 years. It is very likely that there was a super genius among them who could potentially beat even all today's grandmasters. This is why the GOAT debate will never settle for chess.
@@SaeedAcroniaLikely? It's like saying " Greeks have been long jumping for thousands of years, it id's likely someone jumped longer than the best today". Not a chance!
@@jevitigre this polemic opinion is bullocks. Not even Steinitz had a resilient argument to support it. Read David Lawson's book on Morphy. There's a newly edited and affordable paperback out on amazon.
@@jevitigre i think he could play blindfolded iirc. anyways if you played morphy's competition I am sure you would win in 1 or 2 moves lol
meek premoved his last move
computers in 1857 were a bit shitty, so he couldnt take it back once he logged it in
It is unfair to say it was a shitty computer, that was just a small bug in the software
Aaah yes makes sense
that is golden hahahha
those are the good old days when you keep playing when you're down a piece
excuse me, is this where the good stuff happen?
Yes sir
This is The Agad Penetatory
You can't escape if thee enter[ever]
Yes sir, have a seat please
*opening the door
this way sir ----->
Two 90 year old chess addicts John and Jacob had been friends all of their lives.
When it's clear that John is dying, Jacob visited him one day and says, "John, we both loved chess all our lives, and we played chess for so many years. Please do me one favour, when you get to Heaven, somehow you must let me know if there's chess tournaments there."
John looks up at Jacob from his death bed," Jacob, if it's at all possible, I'll do this favour for you.
Shortly after that, John passed away...
At midnight a couple of nights later, Jacob is awakened from a sound sleep by a blinding flash of white light and a voice calling out to him, "Jacob--Jacob."
"Who is it? asks Jacob sitting up suddenly. "Who is it?"
"Jacob--it's me, John."
"John! Where are you?"
"In heaven", replies John. "I have some really good news and a little bad news for you."
"Tell me the good news first," says Jacob.
"The good news," John says," is that there are chess tournaments here in heaven and better yet, all our favouite chess players who died before us are here, too. Better than that, we're all young again. And best of all, we can play chess for hours and we never get tired."
That's fantastic," says Jacob. "It's beyond my wildest dreams! So what's the bad news?
*"You're paired with Alexander Alekhine with black colour in the chess tournament to be held next week over here... !!!"*
I'd die for that game.
Hey, could be worse. You get a week to prepare :P
then he should have said i need one more week to prepare and also can I carry my chess engine with me
HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@giriiyer3968 one more meek*
John and Jacob were paired up at the local chess club. John was a bit intimidated, as he was new to the club and someone had told him Jacob was "a real chess fiend, he has played here every Saturday night for as long as I can remember."
They settled into the match, finding themselves in a closed position. With only a few moves to make time control, the pair noticed a funeral procession driving slowly past the club on the way to a nearby cemetery. Although he needed to make 3 more moves with just ten minutes remaining, Jacob stood up and approached the window, bowing his head as if in prayer. He waited until all of the cars had passed, then returned to the board. He made time control, and the pair fought for another 45 minutes before agreeing to a draw.
Afterward, John introduced himself, and during the conversation, complimented Jacob. "I was really impressed there when you left the board to take a moment of silence for that funeral procession. You are a very thoughtful person, I can tell."
Jacob shook his head dismissively. "No, no, it was really the least I could do. After all, she and I were married for 48 years."
is this real?
Whoosh!!!
You dont play Morphy, he just allows you to lose.
Hahahahahahaha so Underrated
lol
I love how agadmator will analyze the humor of the joke as if its not standard theory
Meek was basically acknowledging that Morphy pwned him - he “had the judge in his pocket.”
So I guess the joke was that if Morphy kept destroying him over the board he’d have to return in kind, and their size difference made the image of an actual man in a pocket funny. :-D
When will you give Morphy a Morphy head for his amazing play?
Vanja Becirovic 😂😂😂
Morphy will get the Morphy head when he plays Anderson ;)
Each time Agad says that "this position has never been reached again" I think to myself that he probably hasn`t watched any of my blitz games.
He probably means top level otb chess
Hahahaha, of course with all the games on the internet in any levels prob almost every opening at 15th move was played
@@ulyssesvercosa6196 Impossible , just at 4th move there is 318 million possible games
I love how much more interesting these old games were - risky gambits, odd openings, not automatically resigning when you’re down a piece, etc. Today’s top-level chess often feels like a contest of who can more closely approximate an engine.
The problem isn't with the style of humor as much as the language used then makes it sound much more stilted than it would have been seen at the time, and definitely being part of the spectacle in real life -- a giant of a man (playfully) threatening what looked like a little boy that was soundly thrashing him and every other adult in sight -- would have made the humor much more apparent
A modern version, making the threat and the 'getting clowned by a midget' aspects more noticeable, might have Meek saying "Son, if you don't give me SOME kind of chance for even five minutes, you ain't gonna live to see your 13th birthday". Or maybe "... I'm gonna drag you out behind the woodshed". You know.. like if you thought he was serious it'd be like too far but when you know it's just some dude being a salty blowhard like eighty billion twitch streamers do every day, not so bad.
Anyways sorry for Alpha Zero depth joke analysis. Great video as always.
I like how you're building up paulson vs morphy
Whenever someone plays on when they should really be resigning, you should give them a Meek head #suggestion
Commentary is first rate. Always enjoy watching these games while having my tea.
Thanks for yet another quality video! You do so much for chess, and I am so grateful
The sound is so great, I'm struggling so much to get to a decent level, well done!
Legends says Morphy was never in trouble while playing chess..
Agad:really??
you are a legend, I watch from Ballarat, Victoria in Australia 3350. Keep up the great content.
I always love the good stuff - thanks agadmator :-)
"Morphy, no stranger to the scotch, himself" (0:48)
Oh dear, I'm an alcoholic
I love this saga please keep it up with the daily uploads if possible
Pickle Meek was too advanced during his time
"I'm Mr Morphy, Look at me!"
"Hi Mr Morphy, I'm Mr Meeks Look at me! Can you stay in my pocket to win at chess for me?"
"Can do!"
Love it!!! The morphy saga is the best
It’s a “you have to be there moment” funny
Antonio such a good Chess analyst that he can't stop analyzing jokes too.
Well maybe back at the 1857 you couldn't resign, you had to play a move first (proving that you do have a legal move therefore the game is not a draw by stalemate) and then resign... Who knows :P
I think the joke is ment like in star wars when r2d2 played chess against chubaka and the c3po said that he should change his tactic since wookies are known for taking your arm if they lose to you
Last time I was this early Capablanca still didn't know theory.
When the Morphy saga is over, I’ll be happy to buy a Morphy shirt!
The Morphy saga does not end well...
Perhaps a t-shirt that says:
"My friend stuffed Paul Morphy in his pocket and all I got is this lousy t-shirt."
As I've been watching this channel, i've been steadily getting better at finding the move, which is a fun way aside from rating numbers to see my improvement.
As insightful as Agadmator's chess analysis is his take on 19th century American humor.
The fact that Antonio subsequently decided to analyze the humor of Morphy's era solidifies him as one of the greatest of all time.
4:06 Ah yes that’s a very nice bishop
Humour Did Change in These 150 Years
I really like that Meek and Morphy joke on previous video. It's also a nice game. I like the facts.
Morphy, the first pocket chess computer ;)
You don't even need to capture the queen, cause after king F2, you can play queen H2 check, followed by queen E2 mate. Opponent was simply overwhelmed.
0:48 "Morphy no stranger to the Scotch himself.." I see what you did there Agad 🥃 ☺
I think the joke about put him in my pocket refers to morphy not giving too many secrets away at once or the judge would be able to steal them and use them for himself.
New couch? Happy Tuesday
agadmator doesn't just explain chess strategy, he also explains chess jokes!
Morphy probably had the other players worried after such a dominating series of 3 games.
Antonio reading that joke to filth is the best thing about this morphy saga
Jesus, that MEEK was SALTY AF!
2:00 I actually played it man
Love from Iran, in these days we can't go out in Iran too much because of new Corona virus, so I just watch your channel, I think I can watch your videos from the first one, again, Love from Iran
7:00 My first time ever guessing correctly! Nice!
Best reply for Morphy:
Meek COULD pick me up and put me in his pocket..... but only after I put him in his place. Mic drop (had they existed).
Alternative: Good burn, Meek. Maybe one day in 150 years or so, someone with a passion for chess and unforeseen technology will pluck your name from the dustbin of history so that you aren't completely forgotten. But of course, in the end, you're only known for losing to me. Mic drop (had they existed.)
That couch goes well with the dog
Loving the Morphy saga. Also, I believe that joke was a classic southern (USA) 'polite burn' as Meek was from my home state. It's like saying "bless your heart" to someone who is being stupid or an asshole, but much more bourgeois. It was about Morphy's height in particular because Meek's ego had probably taken a hit after being swept in three games, yet he was trying to be gentlemanly about it.
Visited Mr Morphy in New Orleans yesterday. Best ever.
"Look at mick" @3:45 am watching the the game at least 3 times now but I still laugh 😅🤣😂 when you say it. Thanks for your impressive 👏👍 commentary 👏👍👌.
Meek looks like John Glover (Lionel Luthor, Smallville)
The good stuff
Explaining the joke was so funny :D
I miss the old piece animation :(
Actually that joke Meek told was pretty hilarious if you think about the tension. Small people were even more looked down upon then so when such a little guy "packs a punch" that really means something.
I never knew that Morphy could ever lose
Yup, bt he lose against adolf Anderson, chk out adam's Andersen revenge video.
Medo is back.. 😊😊
How is Morphy sooooo gooood at chess and i am not even 1/💯 of that😭😭
I just discovered on 365chess that Meek had played the Scotch Gambit , albeit a different variation, before against Morphy, namely in Mobile in 1855.
Mr. Meeseek really wants to fulfill his purpose...
Who is owner of ECO??! I want to change the name of Evans gambit to agadmator gambit #suggestion
Please look at the game "Loman's move" a spectacular win vs. E. Lasker.
Thanks for the tip, an excellent game that was.
#suggestion
Not just analyses games.... But also the jokes!!
Either Humour has really changed in the last 150 years orrrr maybe i just don't get the joke.
:- Agadmator and me too
I think the comment was insulting. Meek couldn't beat him at chess, so mocks his diminutive stature. In Los Angeles, and probably many other places, comment like that could get you shot.
@@jx14aby ppl in Los Angeles must be very sensitive
Maybe Meek want to carry Morphy with him, and use him as a chess engine
@@s.mendoza5705 - You got that right. Disrespect is in the eye of the beholder.
Judge Meek had HUGE pockets.
10:00 Hahahaha the joke is actually funny xD
Reminded of the movie, Big trouble in Little China!!!!!
Meek's joke is funny. ROTFL. Imagine a huge man carrying a small master chessplayer round in his pocket!
it is like they are playing a blitz game
#suggest fischervs gheorghiu 1966 olympiad school game a lot to learn from it and also a fischer defeat!
I'm eager to see the game where morphy played against ruy Lopez opening,
I can't believe I know what the Ruy Lopez opening is!
@@jx14aby that's because you are an excellent subscriber
Despite it isn’t important in the game, after Kf2 there is a quick force mate Qh2 with check.
Too late! Agad is clearly a fan of Rick and Morty. Your pickle thoughts give you away, Aga!.
Morphy was in trouble on chessboard!!! Seems like a joke!!! :)
Was really pulling for Meek to get a Morphy head here tbh.
We want more videos
Meek resigned because he saw Qh2+ with mate, so just in time.
it always causes me physical pain when someone explains jokes to me
1:02 which agad video shows this gambit played by Morphy?
🔥🔥
Does the Scotch game is played at hight level now a days?
I enjoy playing it a lot but I'm 1300
Rarebbruh
Almost never except in Blitz. In 2016 Kasparov vs Caruana in blitz. It's Kasparov's only loss in high level play with the Scotch.
@@manojpadhan9378 not rare
@@smirkypants it's also played outside of blitz.
Dan Kelly It was asked about at the highest levels. The answer is no. I even checked and it's practically never played by top players. www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?page=312&eco=C45
I feel like I play like morphy but worse by a factor of 1M
The morphius defence!!!
Meek should have pulled out a youtube of 'Short People' by Randy Newman
Maybe the joke meant that meek will not let go of morphy as he'd wanna defeat him. That's why he'll put morphy in his pocket and take him away so that only he can play the legend
Will Chinese players play Candidates and if yes will be there any policies that might affect Dings performance ??
Meek played like someone who does not care to win .
I love how much agad hates this joke.
2:03 minutes , this position has never been reached again......
It has ben reached again at least 50 times now, in 2023(well,almost)
Perhaps he thought there was so sort of etiquette protocol that dedicated that one should only resign on the opponents move or something, hard to explain the nothing moves otherwise.
Dictated *
0:43 Sorry about whaaaaaaaat!? D:
Last year's favourite Halloween mask: a Trump head. This year's: Morphy!
(Kid wearing a Morphy Head mask knocks on the door. A guy opens it and says, "What's the idea here?")
I googled it for anyone interested.
Meek is 6'4.
Morphy is 5'4.
Ironic that he is called Meek 😂
what does it mean that the position has never been reached again?
it means that the layout of the board you see now has never happened again in comp/recorded chess.
Meek was going hard lol