Religion and politics in the south
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When it comes to civil rights in the South, there's a convoluted history where the church is concerned. In this episode, @TraeCrowderLiberalRedneck takes a look at how the good book has influenced the shaping of southern politics.
The American South is a complicated place, and we know a lot less about it than we think we do. And many things about the South that seem to make no sense are less confounding in context. The reality is the history of many Southern things has been manipulated, hidden, or just plain ignored. Trae Crowder guides us through the pride points, failures, and contradictions in "Southin' Off."
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I never realized that "love each other" and "take care of the poor" were all that hard to understand.
Yeah, but we're talking about the South.
well duh thats because rich white southerners say the poor can get aid from the church but not my taxes, and that paul said "if a man shall not work then e shall not eat" (yeah even tho HIS Boss led by example and fed 5k people for a few fish and some bread so...
Yeah, cant be giving welfare to the poor since that should ONLY go to corpations and billionarez like jesus said....?
Hell, that's one of the five pillars of Islam, which I can dig (a few others I can live without, and even though it'd be interesting to do Ramada, my GI doc would be mad at me for that 😅).
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
@@Echo81Rumple83both Islam and Christianity are abrahamic. Both condone abuse and subjugation of women and children
I've always thought you could find something somewhere in the Bible to support just about any argument you want to proselytize. My Daddy taught me that throughout human history, more crimes have been committed in the name of god than for any other reason.
Your daddy was/is a wise man.
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart. O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!"
― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
Listening to your Daddy was a smart move.
@@bernardkung7306Bill was a keen satirist.
@@bernardkung7306I often wonder if God himself was banking on his followers to spot the difference between good and evil with Satan himself playing his part by request (like how in the Dead Sea scrolls, Jesus actually appointed Judas to out him to the Romans, prolly so his apostles would be spared while he took the sacrifice of crucifixion). God must either be the epitome of Einstein's definition of insanity or is continuing to facepalm himself in hopes he'll be unmade since nothing seems to be working 😣
You know, I think the Catholic church was okay with Henry marrying his dead brother’s widow…it just wasn’t okay with him divorcing her to marry Anne Boleyn.
You are correct. His brother was very young and had been sickly and I don't think anyone believes they even consummated the marriage. Funny thing is the Bible was used to show it was a good idea to marry his brother's widow, and later when she did not produce a male heir, to show why it was not a good idea.
The main reason why the Pope would not grant Henry a divorce is because of who she was ,the aunt of the Holy Roman Emperor ,who had just sacked Rome
Actually the pope granted Henry a special dispensation to marry her.
I think King Henry VIII wanted a divorce from his dead brother's widow so he could marry his ex-lover's sister. But apart from that minor error, cool video.
Yeah, picky picky picky. You must be a theologian.
@@patchdavis35nope. Just somebody who loves history like I do!
@hollyvict is correct! Might as well tweak it and get it right- especially since the corrected version also sounds very Southern of Henry VIII 😂. .. This is an excellent video still, of course, and as for Trae: Around here we all love him like chicken! ❤❤❤ I will watch any video he makes! Thanks for the compact, balanced, relevant (and funny!) History of Religion.
You're correct.
The deeper issue, and one that gets passed over, is that the pope frequently gave annulments and other equivalents to divorce to rulers and the wealthy all the time. The catholic church had a vested interest in maintaining power in all the kingdoms of Christendom, and one of the ways they did it was by influencing succession.
The pope knew damn well Henry wasn’t gonna have any sons with his current wife, so, by denying him a divorce, he was effectively removing the House of Tudor from the throne, in favor of someone they thought it would be easier to dominate.
So not granting a divorce was a deliberate political attack in this instance. That’s the real cause.
I was born in and have lived most of my 75 years in Tennessee. Trae Crowder is absolutely right about religion in the south. I was brainwashed as a child during the 1950s and early '60s but was drafted in 1967. There were no black or Latino students in my Nashville public schools from grades 1-12. Suddenly I'm sharing a barracks with young black men from Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, etc, and I had to find a way to deal with it. I found that it wasn't hard to get along with others who were not like you and the US Army sent me off to combat in Vietnam in 1968. I somehow survived that (still find it hard to believe) and met (get this) an ATHEIST in a foxhole! Cowles was a yankee from Michigan who took care of the men in his squad, was fearless in firefights and derived much pleasure from mocking "Jesus Freaks" like me. I wondered why everyone at church had assured me that there were NO atheists in foxholes. I came home, started college and married my pastor's daughter. I took lots of bible classes at the Southern Baptist affiliated college and was very surprised at what the Old as well as the New & Improved Testaments actually said. Marriage to the preacher's daughter turned out to be anything but heavenly. Everything reached a point where I was forced to (gasp!) QUESTION MY BASIC ASSUMPTIONS! I did that around age 30. I didn't lose my faith, I threw it in the trash. I have been without a religious rudder in my life for about 45 years now and I don't miss ANYTHING about it. I don't commit crimes, I have PTSD from combat but I'm not addicted to alcohol or drugs, I don't have thoughts about harming myself or others...the list goes on. I'm not perfect but I'm doing just fine without Jesus at the wheel. Ya'll be kind to each other out there and we will get through this.
I just recently took my first steps away from the lord.
Does the feeling of lingering ever leave you? It feels like I'll never truly get away from that influence.
@@Frosthowl93imo, it depends on what the lord means to you and what he’s meant to you throughout your life. Sometimes, we are so socially conditioned to view the lord in a certain way that shame and religion feel one in the same. That feeling of shame can be unlearned. As far as finding things like hope, reason, or morality, atheists have a few different ways of finding it for themselves that diverge from traditional Christian styles so it can take time but that can be learned as well, if you’re willing.
I became a born again Christian in the United Pentecostal Church (exported from the USA courtesy of a preacher called Glen Bogue) in the middle of Australia at the age of 13. I even went to Bible School for a couple of years - age 16 to 18. At the age of 19 I became an atheist. (I am now almost 60). It wasn’t quite an overnight decision, but I clearly remember the night that I decided that I did not believe and from that point forward I was an atheist. I also clearly remember all I was told in the church about ‘backsliders’. No, I did not start drinking. No, I did not turn to drugs, sex and rock and roll. I think I have a stronger moral compass than a lot of Christians I know as I do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing, not because of the threat of hell. Most non-Christians I know in my current life are kinder with stronger morals than the born again (it seems to me hate-filled) people who look to Donald Trump as their leader.
Maybe Jesus is still at the wheel. He just took the frauds out of the other seats in your car.
Similar in much the same, except the Lord insisted on my return, that is, though they say God doesn't force anyone hasn't met God.
And over 40 years outside of Church with only 9 months here and prison there and back with God one more 9 months and a encounter with God and out again, He moved 💙 🙏 ❤️ and I broke down. ❤Good❤
1Jonh 1:9 is open to all, night or day. Freedom from myself is getting easier to live without.
In short, I did just about everything wrong, and He still said yes.
Manasseh, Isaiah's grandson killed him, yes the one and only Isaiah, but God forgave the great Prophet's grandson.
What is meant is God is merciful, and if your name is still on the books, may the doors of time not close up on you.
I wish all the best because whether in Church or out, we've who named the name Christ will stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ, even the backsliden.
😊😊😊God bless😊😊😊
Thank you, Trae! I am a fellow Southerner and I was raised Southern Baptist. Although I have known real Christians such as the Carters and others, as an adult, I recognized the massive hypocrisy and grift within this Religion and abandoned it, and other religions altogether. Now I am Free to Love thy Neighbor without the BS!
I'm southern as well. Came from a church of Christ background. It was utterly awful. I tried to escape. Those people will not allow a clean escape. I've seen them described as a wasp's nest. That is the kindest thing I can say about them.
Free to love your neighbors? What do their husbands think about that?
It's kinda like when Jimmy Seaggart got caught with a hooker in a cheap motel.
His defense was"I Was Only Trying to Save Them So I Thought I'd Save One For Myself!!".😅😊😂
"In truth, there was only one Christian and he died on the cross."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"What I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land, and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference-so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity."
- Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass
Paul is always quoted out of context. He told the owner to treat his returned slave as if Paul himself was the slave.
@@veramae4098 In one version of a book with at least three main versions. In the others, it doesn't say that.
For all the church going and talking about Jesus these folks have been doing, they missed the boat, got lost, failed the test. To keep it simple, breaking out the crayons, there are the two great commandments, love God and love each other.
The Venn diagram of their behaviors and those commandments: two circles, no intersection.
They need to go back to Sunday School! Love these, Trae! 💜✌️😎🍀
Sorry but ‘they’ don’t read ‘the apparent spirit’ of The Bible like you do.
The Bible isn't complicated in the South because so few people actually know what the Bible says. Most of them know a few verses, nothing more. If you showed them a lot of what's in there they would be shocked. It's religion itself that's complicated, because people use it in so many different ways. And people use God and Jesus as a club to beat others over the head with.
I've said the same thing many a time.
Too many "Christians " only pick up their Bible to wack someone on the head. Otherwise, it just collects dust.
Just read for them the book of Solomon. Soft core p..n
There were a lot of secular people in the civil rights movement. They are often ignored. The countries with the highest standards of living, who treat their citizens the best, are the least religious.
Is that true if you count humanitarianism as a religion 🗄?
It has every quality of a religion 🗄:
• Organisation
• Dogma; especially much, much more than it advertises
• Reality denial, when the facts don't line up with dogma
• Holy wars to spread the faith
• Being deeply supremacist
• Having various sects with infighting
It just happens to be a religion in self denial.
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If you include that, I think the most irreligious countries are those that actively dismantle the institutions of religion. Even if they are very tolerant of the spiritual beliefs themselves.
And/or the ones that actively hate humanitarianism, for one reason or another.
China and the USSR beg to differ. They were fundamentally atheist states that did and do persecute religion
They were (and are, just restrained by moral policing) anti religious *institutions,* like the church ⛪, but were not very aggressive on the issue of personal spiritual beliefs.
So not anti-religion the way Americans define it. Not that is a sensible way to define 📖 it.
Has there ever been a major nation that persecuted most religious beliefs?
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@@avroarchitect1793 Religion was not persecuted, it was strongly discouraged. I’ve worked with people who grew up to adulthood in the USSR and several of the satellite countries. They all said the same thing. If you wanted to advance at work or in politics, don’t go to church and don’t talk about religion in a positive manner. You know, just like in the USA, but backwards.
@@maxrobespierre9176 What are you talking about? They appropriated churches and blew them up in Russia and Ukraine. There are video recordings of them blowing them up in Moscow.
I was under the impression that it was the Church of England that drove the creators of the Constitution to put the separation of church and state in the first amendment. Church and state is a terrible combo and sometimes I think the current Christian nationalist movement is all about overriding that.
The writers of the constitution were about as far removed from the Tudors as we are from the civil war.
They knew the bloodshed well from British monarchs flip flopping between Catholic and Protestant official churches.
My understanding of the history is that yes, the church of England contributed to the conditions in place that put that amendment in place. However they weren't the sole reason. Rome certainly contributed as well. They weren't too far removed from the Glorious Revolution and other European upheavals with which brand of communion crackers you ate being the central point of conflict.
That’s pretty much the playbook of the current Christian white nationalist movement. At least it is in the Midwest.
@@sarahpounds6064 it's very much in the playbook down here too. There have been multiple states pass laws requiring _In God We Trust_ be displayed in classrooms. There's been a lot of BS legislation proposed to further their cause as well, which is kinda scary because the playbook (here, at least) has been propose the legislation in one session & wait for the next to push it though.
The Catholic Church had been demonstrating the many problems of Church involvement with a State for how many years prior to the Protestants existence.
Martin Luther started this trend towards a personal reading of the Bible. Once I was in a conversation with a fundamentalist about the phrase "gift of tongues" and tried to explain that it meant the apostles could easily learn languages of foreign countries to spread the word of Christ but the person insisted that it meant speaking the language of God, which nobody understands but God and that person and which everybody else heard as gibberish. Another one is that faith alone is all that is necessary, despite Christ's own emphasis on works and St. Paul in Corinthians saying that if all you have is faith, you are but a hollow gong. While I live here, I try to leave the fundamentalists alone.
Luther literally learned Hebrew from Rabbis...
and spoke Latin where his first assigned duty was to translate Romans from Latin...
And figured out how to merge dialects across German taking features where available to render Hebrew and Greek into German...
Dude didn't mean reading in ignorance, nor ever preached like it. Despite all his own foibles.
Most of American evangelicalism isn't traceable either to Luther, Protestantism, or... England. (Per whom? Harry Okenga, one of the founders of the National Association of Evangelicalism.)
Jesus himself turns the focus on works to an ironic calling of faith itself the work to undermine righteousness through works.
And "good works" don't mean "doing good as society thinks" since his own "emphasis on works" was..."the works of my father" and obedience to Scriptures' instructions.
Which newsflash, take stances on a variety of things on the left that are the thing to support today or the things behind supporting those things... Jesus isn't a liberal. Though some movements liked portraying him as a leftie hippie for some time.
The nonsense canards and lack of specificity in such popular fights in religion are tiresome but ironic: Jesus took issue with "minor" details like reversing the primacy of Holiness for righteousness, for example.
Everything he supposedly doesn't speak to can be spoken to, ironically, out of the law He preached He came to give the true sense of.
While American sects of religion are zaney, unfortunately the Bible and its principle figures remain by current rhetoric misogynistic irredeemable patriarchal sexists and authoritarians... with a lot to say.
Anything said otherwise is an attempt to coopt the authority of their names and persons, or replace them with caricatures... dishonestly.
@@infinitelink Whatever.
I'm was raised a 5th generation Southern Baptist. My great-great-grandparents homesteaded in Georgia. My great-grandparents Homesteaded in East Texas. My grandparents homesteaded in the Texas panhandle. My grandmother had been wounded in world war 1. Wounded veterans got first homestead rights.
The Southern Baptist convention split from the national Baptist convention because the Southern Baptist convention supported slavery.
When I was a kid there were still businesses that had three bathrooms.
One bathroom for men.
One bathroom for women.
The third bathroom was for black women and black men.
My grandmother and my mother did not support slavery or segregation. as a kid did not support.
My mother and my grandmother who happened to be my mother's stepmother, did not believe in calling black people the n-word. They told me why slavery and discrimination were wrong.
What they told me all of this very quietly. You have to remember that women weren't even allowed to have their own credit cards back then. A woman had to get the signature of her father or her husband in order to get a loan or to get a credit card. The power structure was strict and oppressive.
So my mother and my grandmother never actually their opinion against segregation in front of any of the male relatives.
The black churches that were Baptist Churches where in favor of civil rights.
I knew of no white Baptist churches that were not segregated and were in favor of Z
Civil rights.
The civil rights movement did start in Baptist Churches and Methodist Episcopal churches, but it did not start in the white Baptist churches.
Thank you. I appreciate your sharing your historical perspective, will re-read now.
@@janohare916i concur!
All Y'all have to do is remember the GOLDE RULE - "Don't Do as I Do, Do as I Say!"
(The old "Do onto others as......!" is way too Woke)
He who has the gold makes the rules.
Yew know tawken bout woke alla tahm iz a-maken yer campaign slogan uh uhlorm clawk. En fokes HATES uhlorm clawks!
@@petehoover6616not bad
Good Whatever! That is what my evil stepmother said, all the time. Still grates on my nerves.
I guess it's a matter of location. In 1953, my mother's sister was widowed. The loss had such an effect on her that she became a pentecostal. From then on the entire clan treated her as though she was mentally insane.
I've seen the sudden death if a spouse drive people to the far side of religious extremism up close and personal.
@@elenachristian9860 There's a lot of different flavors of Pentecostal/charismatic. Maybe she was able to use the comfort.
I mean... that does sound like something a mentally insane human would do.
A bunch of relatively sane humans would do so also, but that's not the point.
My family moved from upstate NY to Memphis, TN when I was 4. (I’m 68 now) my dad quickly discovered that the Baptists he grew up with in Utica NY were a lot different from the ones he encountered down South. We moved to the Episcopal Church where he encountered Indigenous Southern Liberals and felt much more at home.
Thanks. As a northerner who was an atheist for my first forty years, I have wondered about southern Christianity and the history of Conservative Christianity. You explained it all in under five minutes. God bless you.
I'm a Midwest / Southerner and I've been an atheist for 30 years. Christianity seriously needs to be fought against. It's so evil.
@dinyhotmail, I recommend reading ‘Jesus and John Wayne’ if you want a thorough and interesting look at the long history of Conservative Christianity. The roots of it are longer and more tangled than most people think. Not all of it is Southern, though that region has played a primary role.
Having been a Christian since 1971, I’m still one, and happily, but I have shed all the baggage of the highly conservative denominations. I’m one of the very rare breed who are theologically conservative, but not politically. And I firmly believe that we’re swiftly approaching the end of the Church Age. And yes, it will be apocalyptic.
@davidwilkins5932 The end of Christianity will only be a boon for all mankind. Your religion has done 2000 years of damage we need to heal from. The sooner Rationality and Atheism takes over, the better we all will be for it.
@@davidwilkins5932 Thank you very much. I will do so.
I love these new vids you're doing, Trae. I hope I don't miss any. I don't know how to recognize them yet. Several times I've clicked on a random interesting title only to be pleasantly surprised when you popped up! Love all the info you provide.
For a southern white boy, he's heckin' smart, and brave to boot.
Same here. They need to do something to make the thumbnail more recognizable. Unless it is their aim to be surprising. But that doesn’t make good marketing sense to me. Absolutely love these videos!
*you're (contraction of "YOU aRE")
your = possessive
@@alvallac2171 Yes, thank you for the correction. I very well know that, but didn't even catch it when I read it again. I'll try and fix it now. (All better now.)
I agree with most of this--The biggest problem with the Bible in Southern Protestant religions is how to cherry pick quotes you use to bully, lie and steal while somehow ignoring any references to compassion and kindness.
To be fair, not cherry picking and reading the bible and following it literally to a T is also definitely not a great thing either.
The bible has plenty of pretty explicitly fucked up shit in it, that if I knew anyone who followed it 100% literally, id be terrified of them.
Finding any moral guidance in the bible is the problem to begin with. That isnt to say there isnt SOME good stuff in there, but the fact you have to cherry pick the good stuff away from the bad to begin with is kinda the underlying issue here.
“imagine getting a substitute teacher…”. Sounds like Florida and the personal benefits experienced by the enslaved.
Being a Southern Baptist I always heard some interesting history about religion in the South where up North the Catholic Church was pretty good about setting up seminaries and sending young people to study to be priests. In the South they were very slow to set up that infrastructure. Sometimes too local communities would gather up funds to send a local guy to seminary up North or even overseas to study and then supposedly to come back to be a priest in the community, but often they'd go to the big city and just decide not to go back. This sort of set up that Southern Dynamic though where Baptists thrived because there became an open hostility to "book learning" which basically meant going to study in seminary, and that Southern Baptists didn't need to go and study religion, they just got a "calling" and god spoke to them directly. This was one thing that led to that Southern tradition that you could either have "book learning" or "horse (common) sense" but somehow the two were so incompatable that they couldn't exist in the same brain. That book learning somehow pushed out all the common sense in someone's brain.
Born in KY, Pa was a Pentacostal preacher on the weekend and a career soldier during the week. Was taken to a snake handling church at about age 5, and I thank the Lord my dad was afraid of snakes. There are a number of things I love about the south; bigotry and prejudices are not among them.
I heard the local Methodist pastor's wife railing against socialism at the diner she manages.
I told her the ideas expressed in socialism are how Jesus Chist told us to live , her response was that we shouldn't force that on everyone.
lmao talk about wishy washy
Let's talk about entirely unconscious irony, instead....
“Socialism” might be overstating it a bit. It’s taking a modern concept and imposing it on a period long before it existed, which is always a dodgy thing to do. What can conclusively be said, though, is that the early church was communal (as per several references in Acts and at least one in the Epistles) and that Jesus was anti-wealth and straight up said that the Rich can not enter heaven, and that even Christians who fail to practice charity to those in need go to hell.
So “Socialist” is an overstatement, but definitely Jesus isn’t a capitalist either. (Which is another concept that didn’t exist back then)
In a strange way, she is correct. Jesus would not force anyone to follow him or his teachings. However, it appears she wants to force everyone to reject Him and His teachings. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
@@chong2389 those were my thoughts she proclaims herself to be "Christ-like " with her Christian label, but when rules in the new testament are too liberal for her tastes she argues against them with the old testament.
When old testament law is too invasive she'll claim we're under the "new covenant" outlined in the new testament.
I know that I'm talking about just one person but her beliefs are quite common among evangelical Christian sects , I know this from being raised in these churches .
You can't use facts on anyone who uses a bible as cover for their hate
They'll sometimes get very MAD at you for suggesting something other than their preconceived notions.
The South truly is beyond saving
@@emperorfrozenbillrulerofan8767 As someone stuck in Alabama, you're right. I see black people wearing MAGA hats. Trump don't care about them. He wouldn't allow blacks to live in his properties.
I am Episcopalian and I went to a Baptist service once and was shocked at how different it was. Episcopal service was very formal and quiet and the Baptist sermon was scary and full of how you were going to hell lol. So I think we are diverse 😂. This was a long time ago and only one Baptist service, so not sure how representative that was.
It can be a lot of fire and brimstone.
I grew up independent Baptist, they hated Southern Baptists for their liberal ways, like having women church leaders and they dang sure didn't need no panel telling them what to preach that's God's job! 😂
@@MrStacy1974that varies in Southern Baptist churches. My mother is Southern Baptist and her church will not suffer a woman leader of any kind, unless she’s wrangling people’s brats.
@@auggiet8380 lol .... I stand corrected
Southern Baptist ministers have just about the same sermon every week. It always gets around to yelling and scaring the hell out of you. I stopped going years ago.
Everybody in the south wants to go to heaven for the same reasons why they want to go to Florida. They think the weather is nice and most of the relatives are going to be there.
Me, a Northerner: Heh, look at those silly Southern traditions! I feel so snobby and enlightened!
Trae: If you're a Northerner, before you get all snobby about being 'enlightened'--
Me: *how did he know?! Can he see me through the screen???*
Trae: --the South has never had witch trials.
Me: That's an excellent point and I am now appropriately chastened. My people have historically held beliefs just as silly as--
Trae: Yet.
Me: This has been a roller-coaster.
Are you so completely adverse to the idea that we , I mean, "my people" and "your people", might perhaps JUST STOP calling each other stupid for a few minutes, so that we JUST MIGHT find some common ground where we JUST MIGHT begin to finally realize that people are people, after all, so that we JUST MIGHT be able to begin to heal and stop all the hating so we JUST MIGHT learn that it might be possible that we JUST MIGHT join together to improve our futures, and that of our children and grandchildren? As a friend of mine once said, "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I'm descended from Puritans but was raised Roman Catholic.
@@patchdavis35 Note that I was pointing out how *I* am the one being silly here, right?
@@patchdavis35I'm more than happy to find common ground with the few conservatives I know who aren't in favor of taking away my basic rights, my spouse's basic rights (for different reasons than my own), and the basic rights of other people I love. Conservatives that truly take a "live and let live" and "treat others as you'd like to be treated" approach to life (and who don't have kneejerk anti-intellectual, anti-science views in life) are few and far between. But as long as they aren't attacking the basic rights of those around me, I'm happy to live peacefully alongside them. After all, I used to be one of them.
Their aversion to witchcraft may yet save us from Nikki Haley. So there's that.
The kind of Bible-thumpers who insist that Jesus was too damned woke.
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left.
“Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’
“Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” -- Matthew 25:31-46, NRSV
Now do you see how "christian" the ReQuplickkklan Fascist Taliban Party really are?
(not you the poster but to all who read this)
as Keith Green sang "the difference between the sheep and the goats is what they did and didnt DO"
And that sums up us woke liberals. 100%.
The golden rule - He who has the gold makes the rules.
which is the Northeast and West Coast. So, system fail. Solution: Eliminate the electoral college in favor of popular vote.
00:56 That tracks. The south has lots of very independent folks who do not like being told what to do and what not to do,, so they rebel against that. Yup, thou shall not kill becomes thou shall kill. And anything not just like me is open season.
In my mind, there are two and only two Christian churches. Those that follow Matthew 25:31-46, and those that don't. Southern Baptists who cheer when refugees are sent away on busses so that someone else can take care of them are going to be in for the biggest shock on judgment day. The first part of verse 46 is in store for those people, and the latter for the people who took care of the refugees.
Schadenfreude is a sin.
@@petehoover6616 Tell that to Governor Abbott.
the sheep and the goats?
as keith green sang back in the day " the only difference in the sheep and the goats is what they did and didnt DO"
Frankly, you're going to in for no shock at all when a pretend event doesn't get caused by an imaginary entity sending no-one to a fantasy land. Things need to be taken care of here and now not "hopefully in the next life"
Martin Luther: We don't need a priest to stand between us and God. We're capable of reading the Bible and understanding God's Word and Will.
Virginia to black churches: F that! We're going to tell you what God wants.
Yeah, Luther was wrong.
@@SuperDarkMan12TVNo wonder why the South is increasingly full of doctors and pharmacists from other countries. Americans waste their time obsessing over a book of fables written by a primitive people in the bronze and iron ages. And then complain they cannot earn a decent wage.
@@SuperDarkMan12TV So, the Catholics had it right all along?
@@donaldwert7137 No, but the Catholics do have a lot going for them. Luther rightly saw corruption and false teaching within the Catholic Church, he just went about it the wrong way.
Let me explain American Christian conservatism to you:
"If I like a scripture, it means what it says. If I don't like a scripture, then everyone else is taking it out of context."
My parents pentacostal church was just a hair away from snake handling. We had people rolling and dancing around, speaking in tongues and some fake ass faith healing. I had to show my dad some videos debunking that shit, since still having the same deformity he had before was not enough proof to him that it wasn't real.....
reminds me of when a young woman doing the "slaine in the spirit" landed in my lap and started wiggling. Hey i was caught up in the fervor of the event that i hadnt really paid much attention until later that evening she came by and winked at me.
we dated for a few mos and she definitely had "the spirit"
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Holy Rollers they're called back in Indiana. It was joked about taking our youth group to one of these churches, but it was more unsaid that the adults didn't think this was a good idea. Probably afraid we'd be traumatized.
When I went to play around at college there was a group called (The Way) a young man and woman were interesting to hang out with.
But when he said that she would speak in tongues and he would interpret, I called foul. I was taught that the speaking of tongues was spontaneously inspired by the Holy Spirit and that there wasn't always someone similarly inspired to say the same thing only in English. Usually though there wouldn't be an actual translator, you were either filled with the Holy Spirit and therefore could still understand what was being said.
From what I understood (The Way) was a way to get you to spend money on bible study materials that were very expensive. These bible studies start at one level and if you wanted more there was always another level to buy.
I grew up white - with black help in the house. You don't have to ask me why there are no black snake handling churches ! 🏃🏾♀️🏃🏻♂️ 🐍
As a retired minister living in the South, I think you knocked this one out of the park. Thanks, Trae!
You have no right to speak on this. This was an obviously not Christ following man speaking on behalf of all Christians. Jesus Christ absolutely has a stance on gay marriage, as the entire bible is His word. If you're a Christian, you believe this. If you don't believe this, you're not a Christian.
Amen brotha
People in the South and in rural areas don't get it, but we Northern city folks love them. When we represent them in popular media, sure we rib them for some of their ways, but we also read into them a core of fundamental decency. You can look at "King of the Hill" or "The Beverly Hillbillies" or "Andy Griffith" really any show set in the South / rural America, you'll see what I mean: they're depicted as perhaps benignly foolish, but overall wonderful people.
And the crowning example is Superman. Why did this alien with godlike powers turn out so decent? The complete explanation is, he was raised by farmers in a small town. That is all the explanation anyone needs; we all buy it. That is the respect we have for rural / Southern life.
The one thing we Northern city types despise about the South and rural areas is the cruelty. You know it and I know it, rural America can be the most xenophobic and brutal place; it doesn't take much for these otherwise salt-of-the-earth people to turn into savages. THAT is the one actual problem we have. This is not to say that us Northern city folks are all perfect angels, but at least the non-bigots push back against the bigots.
Well said, Beau.
Well said Trae👏
The pope was actually opposed to Henry divorcing his dead brother's widow (Catherine of Aragon). He did anyway and married Anne Boleyn. The pope excommunicated him so he effectively expelled the catholic church from England and founded the Church of England with himself at the head, thus bringing the protestant revolution to that country.
While Henry himself thought of himself as catholic to the very end.
But, having declared Catholicism un-English, he made off with a buttload of property and fancy cups and whatnot.
The Pope was much more of a political leader at that time and opposed the divorce because Catherine of Aragon's family held influence and connection with the Catholic church. Henry was not about to let anyone show they were more powerful than he was.
Well, not Catholic in the universal church supporting sense.@@sisuguillam5109
Nobody needs a book and weekly meetings to be a decent person who contributes to human flourishing.
Yet your society has a giant book of things that are prohibited, forbidden, limited or otherwise items/actions that people cannot do, or else they go to jail. And this book is so complicated that your people must hire other people to understand it for them. And everyone is required to follow what's in that book, as written, even if it doesn't make sense, and it's extremely cumbersome to change anything. Yeah, I'm talking about the law. And this book is absolutely necessary for human flourishing, because if a bad act is not prohibited, we see an increase in that act across society. So a set of regulations and limitations is written and affects all members of your society. Hmmm, almost like religion. No, exactly like religion. For the aim of cooperation, peace, safety, and human flourishing.
Law is inherently corrupt as its enforced by elites through force in society. The american government itself does not follow its own laws. The rich elites manipulate language to further their interests. Maybe if law was set up through democratic interests and not by rapists and pillagers you would have a point but it has never been that case in history because societies are set up through vertical power structures. Western civilization as we know it today was built off of raping and pillaging the new world. The goods and monies that travelled across the atlantic fueled the development of western europe.
Religiosity and intolerance increase proportionately.
Witch trials....hush now. That is one history lesson we don't want to remind them of.
Jimmy Carter = THE most underrated president EVER
Absolutely!
One minor correction, if I may. In Genesis, Eve was tempted by the _serpent,_ a generic scaly thing. The idea of it specifically being a snake is popular conception.
Imagine a pangolin 😉
@@lairdhaynes1986 Don’t mention the pangolin. Those little cuties are almost extinct now thanks to the Chinese ‘traditional’ medicine trade.
Oh, shite, I think we're related. Hey, cuz. 🤪
I was born in a town of 5K in AR to Pentacostal parents. Thank the gods they moved back to the west coast. My family had moved there after WWII. After the inevitable 70's divorce I got raised as a flaming liberal.
Heck, Southern Baptists actually pretend Jesus was white...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone at church pretends god exists at all...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
... it wasn't to marry his dead brother's wife. The pope was fine with that bit. Henry VIII broke with the church because the pope wouldn't let him divorce his brother's widow after 20+ years of marriage, so he could marry his mistress/her servant... his second of six wives he would eventually marry, and the first of two he would have beheaded, in less than three years after marriage.
Henry had to get a dispensation to marry his first wife.
I was wondering why this video popped up on my home page and a few seconds in I see the reason, Trae Crowder, good job Google.
As a fellow southerner, the christianity is also based on most people not actually reading the bible. Religion just seems to be an excuse to hate and oppress people who are different.
"Us vs them." If there is a group being formed, that is pretty much the end result.
Numbers 5 v21-30 describes how to get an abortion. Also known as the Ordeal of Bitter Water. Never forget to bring that up
It's a law of nature.
For every bible verse there is an equal and contrary bible verse
Those who can lead you to believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. After Voltaire.
I don’t think I could ever leave the Southern Evangelical tradition. For its faults, though they outnumber the stars, I still believe the core tenants strongly enough that I want to make it a better place from within.
Also, side note: I’m in a worship band that goes around our area playing different events at churches that want us, and I’ve promised our leader that if at any point snakes come out at our event, I’m out, and they’ll have to pick me up on the way home. I’ll still be sprinting the other direction with all my might.
That's fine and dandy, but all the rest of us just wanna do our own thing without being told what to do, especially the atheist population like me and my family are a part of. Still, wanting to change what's bad about something is, I believe, what makes us true patriots to the US when it comes to being critical and demanding/creating change, and your desire and determination to do similar with your branch of faith deems you a good christian in my book.
Just how much rape would it take for you to decide that the institution you’re a part of is too corrupt to support? You can believe what you like outside of the institution
@@mariag.8242 Apparently a little more, thanks for just casually bringing up the absolute worst thing a human can do to another human outside of torture and murder.
My life is mine to do with what I will, and I didn’t ask anyone to convince me to upend it completely.
@@chefbanjo8139*tenets.
Also, try not to vote for people whose choices lead to people being tortured, killed, or deprived of their rights. That's all I ask.
(In Nashville, much to my surprise, we have an evangelical congregation picketing the state house over gun control, both of which, guns and evangelicalism, in my experience, are Republican issues. In order to make the case for keeping the rest of their children, the ones not already slaughtered while in their church-run elementary school, alive, they may have to end up voting for non-Republicans.
These parents were the people that state reps were trying to silence when they ousted the Tennessee Three.
That's right: the three "uppity" Democrats kicked out of the state house were standing up for the rights of some conservative parents who were lobbying for gun control.) 🤷
I love Tennessee. And the South as a whole. But our politicians have gone about as far too far as we can stand for them to go.
@@MelissaThompson432 Tl;Dr
Don’t assume you know me, my voting habits, or my beliefs. You clearly don’t.
Actually, there is a direct bible passage about accepting foreigners from Jesus himself.... love thy neighbor does work, but there are more specific passages dealing with this.
Jesus' parable of the sheep and the goats
There is also the dream that simon-peter has about the forbidden foods being eaten... which they directly say is about accepting foreigners. @@bobbafett1849
It is love thy neighbour *as thyself,* which is an equality statement, not a commandment for the level of love.
It is a COMMANDMENT AND an "equality statement"....
Matthew 22:
The Greatest Commandment
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
Jimmy and Rosalyn have been married for almost 80 years and worked hard for their fellow man until they went into hospice care together. You can't top that.
Thank you for a detailed and informative video
"Snake handling only happens in some parts of Appalachia".
Some rural parts of Arkansas: 👁👁
Very insightful and very accurate. It's amazing how alive the past really is in what we do and think today and that's a double-edged sword for us.
What humans call The Holy Bible is a Double-Edged Sword used to be for or against WHATEVER. Pro-Slavery...it's there, Anti-Slavery...also there.
Trae,
Keep doing what you do 👊🏾.
Next Level, Trea. Keep it up.
Also, I know Trey was going for comedy by pinning Protestantism on Henry VIII, but he’s leaving out Martin Luther and John Calvin who were responsible for most of the obnoxious dogma we’re still dealing with today.
Henry was responsible for Protestantism in the English speaking world. Luther *started* the Reformation overall, but I think the form it takes in the American Soth is more tied to the C-of-E than anything else
One thing I have noticed about far right evangelical preachers is the fact that they cherry pick the Old Testament further their agenda and completely ignore pretty much everything Christ said. Yet they still call themselves Christians.
Love the video. Technically snake handlers work with venomous snakes not poisonis ones.
*poisonous
True. Also, the practice of snake handling in churches is based off of two New Testament verses about believers being able to safely do so, and not on the story of the snake in the garden of Eden. There's no way to know if the NT writers of those verses were referencing snakes because of the garden of Eden story, or because venomous snakes can be dangerous.
Also, the more prominent of the two verses this practice is based on wasn't even in the original version of its respective book, which is Mark. Mark was the earliest of the four written gospels (two of the other three were very likely written by referencing a combination of Mark and another book we no longer have copies of, often called "The book of Q"). The ending of Mark was added many years after the book was initially written, and does not exist in the earliest copies of the gospel we have today (a fact with so much evidence that even the NIV version of the Bible mentions it in a footnote). Which changes a *lot* about Christianity. Or should, if its believers cared about accuracy in the book they value so much.
Last I checked, venomous snakes produce poisonous venom, no difference.
Excellent commentary.
Another good one. Thank you!
Giving to a church is not real charity. Very little of that money goes to the needy outside of the congegation. Plus they're only giving in the hope of buying redemption, not really to help others. I know these people. Real empathy is hard to come by.
They give to support the operation of the church, which may include some charity, not to buy salvation
@jl63023 Churches give a paltry amount to charity. Most of it is totally self-serving and should be taxed especially since so many churches are now overtly political. Church attendance, prayer, reading the Bible are all totally self-serving to curry favor with your God. Not what Jesus had in mind at all. "The gate is narrow and FEW will find it."
Trae, Trae, Trae. We love you to pieces (and even "like chicken"). However, you've got to check your historical facts before citing them. King Henry the eighth was already married to his dead brother's widow (Queen Catherine). What he wanted was to divorce HER and marry Anne Boleyn (who became the mother of the future Queen Elizabeth the first and whom Henry beheaded after she did not give him a male heir so he could then marry Jane Seymour). Facts. Good things.
It was actually an annulment, which is like divorce, but less accusatory.
Best thing I’ve heard all year!
It's complicated because they lack understanding. That's why schooling is so important to us all. Learning the meaning of words allows us to know when someone is lying about a subject or allows us to validate or reject their claims. It develops the ability to think analytically instead of having to rely on others explanations.
I’m glad some people were able to coax some good out of Christianity, but any multibillion dollar industry using a guy literally nailed to a torture device as its logo has me running the other way
*its (possessive pronoun)
it's = contraction of "it is" or "it has"
All contractions have apostrophes. Possessive pronouns never do.
*way.
@@alvallac2171 thanks for the suggestions! Asshole!
That book has been turned into the "root of all evil!"
It's just a book of Mythology.
The kind of people that tried to stop Kevin Bacon from dancing 🤣🤣🤣YES very that…
I'm surprised and really excited to hear that Jimmy Carter made it through cancer! I did not know it was afraid to look.
It wasn’t just the English protestants. Continental europeans had a huge influence. If you look into the origin of the anabaptists (baptists, quakers, mennonites) you will uncover one of the craziest origin stories. The most interesting part begins with the usual cult stuff: polygamy, authoritarianism and delusions of grandeur-their leader in one particular city, thought he was the second Gideon-and ends with him getting his testicles nailed to the city gate by the Pope’s army. The cages they hung from the Munster church tower to display the rest of their executed leaders’ bodies, are still hanging there today! Not having a warm reception in most of Europe, their descendants emigrated to the USA where they were less likely to be persecuted. The original doctrines of pacifism and communal ownership of goods is complete absent from modern Baptists but still remains among Quakers and Mennonites. Imagine telling a southern baptist their ancestors were communists?
_*Theistic_ communists are based.
Anything that claims Marx? Not in the least.
@normanclatcher theistic polygamist communists even!
I would go to church more often if I knew a pastor vs. gorilla fight would be a part of the sermon. 🙂
Great video. Good content.
Loved it!
"They love Jesus so much, they're mad about it."
Being from north Alabama. Being told that I was possessed by a demon, due to the fact I didn't agree with their parenting methods. I'm 44 years now, and I was correct about that opinion. All I know is that if I was possessed by a demon, then part of my mind, if not all of it. Would be like me doing a 2 week benzodiazapine binge. That's taking Xanax, Clonpin, Ativan, Valium, Liberium. You know? Those drugs that make you forget shit the next day, but don't give a damn about nothing when you're messed up. There is a reason they are prescribed to people that actually need them. Does those folks entirely different lol. I'm a person that wants Americans, and anyone else that lives in this nation, to be able to practice whatever religion they want. But when you start lying about what our founding fathers set out for this nation to be, which is secular. Lie about prayers being taken out of schools. Cause it hasn't! These evangelicals are upset because they can't force your children to be indoctrinated at 4, 5, and 6 years old. Where they can't tell the difference between reality and make believe. And when you try and weasel your way into politics in order to "Do God's work" and disrespect the constitution and our democracy like that. That's when I have a serious issue! My mom is 72 years old. And she is a die hard, bible believing, Jesus loving, God fearing old woman. But she hears people like Tucker Salisbury Steak Frozen Dinner Carlson say something like "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah!" She then believes we are in a blah blah blah situation. And when I try to show her how she's wrong, he's wrong? And all of yall are just juiced up with Communism propaganda from the time they were children, especially anyone born after WW2, up until the Satanic Panic of the early to the late 1980's.Thats when kids around my age and older realized marijuana was just cannabis, psychedelics can actually be helpful for mental health issues. And we played Dungeons and Dragons. (I'll be honest. I played Risk more than D&D. Lol) I stopped being religious when my mom pretty much told me that even if Jesus came back and said "To hell with you all! You bunch of burnt neck, slow talking former Brits. I'm just here to get these 250g's from ol Satan. We love to take on bets with each other " And I had more than enough of the necessary evidence anyone would need in order to show that nearly 90% of that book is horseshit. The other 10% is just basic geography and stories about the wealthy rulers that actually existed during Babylonia. Anyway! Believe anything you want. Idc! But when you get involved in politics and then start wanting to change the rules of basic human rights. You need to go on and stgdhu!
Nice,self explanatory ❤❤❤
once i saw your face, i knew i didn't have to make some outrageous comment about southern christians. you do a great job thanks.
I love your humor and commentary but I don't think you can leave Martin Luther out of the protestant origin story. It is puzzling for Chtistian Nationalist to claim our founding fathers were creating a Christian nation. Pentecostal, Evangelical and even Mormon theology grew from the 19th century revival movements. Love your neighbor is the message.
Luther was willing to tolerate ambiguity and talk about grace in a way Calvin (the source for much of protestant evangelicalism) was not. A great way to see this is to look at Luther’s small catechism where among other things, he takes all ten commandments and reads them negatively (shalt not) and positively (shalt). As in ‘you shalt not kill your neighbor but instead give to them what is needed for life.’ Compare this to the Heidelberg catechism which reads like a theological treatise broken up into readable bits ‘for the noobs.’
Our founding fathers were creating a nation of secular laws. Which is the reason for the first amendment. They were pretty clear about the problems caused by Henry then Mary then Elizabeth and everybody burning and hanging the adherents of the opposite side in turn.
I think the CofE was created so Hank 8 (who was awarded “Defender of the Catholic Faith” for his tract Assertio Septem Sacramentorum by one of the Popes Clement a few years earlier) could divorce his dead brother’s wife (Kate of Aragon, mother of Bloody Mary) and marry his mistress, Anne Boleyn (his second mistress of that name {the first being Anne’s sister Mary} and mother of Lizzy 1).
LOL, the south didn't have "Witch Trials" because the south is more than happy to skip the "Trial" part and go strait to the lynching.
Excellent!
Well said Trae. 👏🏾
In some religions you can't shave your beard but you must be circumcised.
If someone laid those laws down on me, I'd be like "you think maybe you got those two backwards, Moses? You think you can mosey back on up that hill and check with the Almighty." Unfortunately, back then they carved everything into those gravestone-looking tablets, so he'd be like, "Dang it, Charlie, I was carving as fast as I could so maybe I did get a few things a little off, but I'll be damned if I'm rewriting all this. Solid granite ain't got no edit function."
Fortunately, I'm already circumcised so it wouldn't have mattered. At least, that's what I'd tell him.
Very good video.
I was raised Methodist in Kansas, we always said the Southern Baptists had Tails.
For those who don’t speak Americana
I was raised an Abolitionists. The “Tails” are Satin’s.
Well, they take a literal interpretation until they get to the Sermon on the Mount.
Religion, the bane of humanity!
While there may be a good reason there were no witch trials in the South, as these happened between February 1692 and May 1693. And likewise, the KKK had not a Northern beginning from another timeline. However, I'm sure we can agree that the irrationality of religious beliefs had a fundamental role in all the death and slavery that happened.
The problem is many people never read it cover to cover, They always jump from 1 verse to the other taking stuff out of context the majority of the time and also it doesn't help the KJV is a very heavily edited bible with many important books that were removed.
Another issue is most Christians also still apply old testament laws and teachings and totally ignoring the teachings of Jesus perhaps to use the bible as a sense of control over one another.
Buy-bull...
Y'all ain't burned any witches...yet 😳
I attended a Baptist High School and when Footloose came out there were signs hung all over “don’t even think about it”.
I hope they were being funny...
@@tomservo56954 not at all; very uptight Baptist high school. All young men in dress shirt n tie, ladies in dresses. No dances or anything, I surprised we had a school band. Our class went to the roller rink and all they were allowed to play was pretty much classical music.
Thank you
God welcomes people of all genders and sexual identities. “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28) Also “…God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.” (Acts 10:28) Jesus gladly socialized with people that the religious establishment disapproved of. (Matt 9:11)
The Church needs its LGBTQ members. “The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 12:12-13)
The early church welcomed non-gender-conforming people. One of the first recorded baptisms by the apostles was of an Ethiopian eunuch. (Acts 8:27)
Jesus warned against using anti-gay slurs. The NIV translation of Matt 5:22 reads “anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court”. The original Greek text does not include “sister”, and the word “raca” is most likely a transliteration of the Aramaic word “rakkah”, which is the feminine form of the adjective that means “to be tender, weak, or soft”, so this would be comparable to calling a man a “sissy” (or worse)
Or just pray to god. That always yields results.
Yea results. Bad results, half @ssed results, horrible results, once in a while catch a break results, no rhyme no reason take a chance. Might as well spin the wheel and bet the farm
At about a 50% rate, right.
Was your comment sarcastic or sincere? I can't tell.
Another problem is that "pastors" can be anyone, no age requirements, no education, no training needed.
In the South, a lot of people say “Bless your heart” or even “God bless you” when they really mean “Fuck you.” That should tell you everything about what God means to people down there.