Will It RUN AND DRIVE Finally? Carburetor or Computer On This 8-6-4 Cadillac!

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  • Опубликовано: 28 мар 2024
  • A guy is armed with new technology! Well, nope. Remanufactured computer from Mexico and a tech book, but anyhoo, let's take another crack at getting this old cadillac back up and running. It's either using the computer, or doing a EFI to carb swap!
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  • @djfurman100
    @djfurman100 2 месяца назад +626

    Derek my father passed away a couple of days ago from cancer he was a big fan of yours and also love watching vise grip garage he always say you catch phrases and stuff that you always say on your videos So thank you for entertaining my father over the years when he was a subscriber/watcher

    • @tonyriehle6657
      @tonyriehle6657 2 месяца назад +55

      Sorry for your loss . It's been a few months since I lost my dad to cancer. Starting to come to grips with it. Hang in there, friend.

    • @djfurman100
      @djfurman100 2 месяца назад +28

      @@tonyriehle6657 I don't know if I would ever come to grips but I have to be there for my mom and also keep my promise by fixing his late '90s Chevy suburban and his 82 Chevy pickup truck

    • @randystogner5466
      @randystogner5466 2 месяца назад +22

      Sorry for your loss

    • @bobhill102
      @bobhill102 2 месяца назад +24

      Sorry for the loss of your dad and a fellow vice gripper 😔

    • @Randelawe
      @Randelawe 2 месяца назад +16

      Lots of love to you and the family

  • @joethepirate1
    @joethepirate1 2 месяца назад +923

    You might be the first person in the history of the planet that bought a reman ECM that actually worked out of the box.

    • @johnlundh4122
      @johnlundh4122 2 месяца назад +32

      minus the microcontrollers. The rest of the box is just capacitors, relays, resistors, transformers. without the brain the new ECU circuits are junk. I'm guessing those chips, preprogrammed are impossible to get.

    • @M.F.Jones2
      @M.F.Jones2 2 месяца назад +21

      from Mexico no less 🤔

    • @Lazerchicken69
      @Lazerchicken69 2 месяца назад +20

      I got one for my car that fixed all my issues was very happy

    • @coletrickle-km7cl
      @coletrickle-km7cl 2 месяца назад +16

      Somebody call guinness book of world records!

    • @lessharratt8719
      @lessharratt8719 2 месяца назад

      Me to.@@Lazerchicken69

  • @herschelmayo2727
    @herschelmayo2727 2 месяца назад +86

    I just loved my GM headliner. On a cold day, it would drop down on my head and keep it warm. What an innovation.😂

    • @d.g.566
      @d.g.566 2 месяца назад +4

      LOL Yes it was the winter hat delete option (think it was option code GMSFU) or you could make fun decorative patterns on the ceiling with thumbtacks in order to keep it up like I did on my 79 Cutlass.

    • @cigarsgunsandgasoline8032
      @cigarsgunsandgasoline8032 2 месяца назад +1

      My 85 Cutlass looked like Hellraiser... IYKYK

    • @williamalexander1743
      @williamalexander1743 26 дней назад +1

      I had an 81 DeVille with the same problem. That didn't make any sense !​@@d.g.566

    • @garykeith1048
      @garykeith1048 8 дней назад

      The standard of the world. GM slogan for Cadillac Fleetwood and DeVille. Headliners on both cars were crap and they were not easy to repair or replace.

    • @ludicrous7044
      @ludicrous7044 8 дней назад

      You must be bald??🎱

  • @xrysf03
    @xrysf03 2 месяца назад +43

    Electronics nerd here... Derek working the DIP28 sockets - that's pure gold! 😀

    • @ThomasPCGuruENGINES
      @ThomasPCGuruENGINES 2 месяца назад +6

      Leaving the incandescent footwell bulb running right over them with no shielding was less pure gold

  • @001snapshot
    @001snapshot 2 месяца назад +385

    Best line in the WHOLE video at 17:53...."If I remover this again its gona be with an axe and a fire exstingguisher".......I was ROLLN !!!

    • @Leonard-hk1nf
      @Leonard-hk1nf 2 месяца назад +3

      Not bad lol I got a pretty good chuckle out of this is the title ! After seeing he wrote all over it !

    • @adamritchey4209
      @adamritchey4209 2 месяца назад

      Had me laughing pretty good 😂😂

    • @jasonsayers7915
      @jasonsayers7915 2 месяца назад +1

      Had me in shits and giggles too

    • @aaronspratt267
      @aaronspratt267 2 месяца назад +1

      Me too!

    • @justinkohn2616
      @justinkohn2616 2 месяца назад +1

      Exactly what I was thinking.

  • @dave1135
    @dave1135 2 месяца назад +137

    I worked as a driveability technician at a gm dealership back in the late 80s until mid 2000s. Cadillac was the worst to work on. Gm had software updates for every car to address multiple running issues, so you had to order a new prom, then install it when it came in. Once gm switched to EEPROM systems, it was way easier. We simply downloaded new updates thru the tech1 terminal and uodate using the OBD1 port. Also, code 12 is used as a self check for the ecm, it always states no tach signal as the engine is off during code check. Codes can be erased by simply disconnecting the battery for at least one minute. Also, after it cycles thru 3 read cycles, you you can erase the codes by pressing off and hi. Once it reads 00, codes are cleared

    • @garykeith1048
      @garykeith1048 2 месяца назад

      In 1993 I had a 84 Cutlass Ciera Brougham. Tech at dealership in Quaker-town PA was mad I wanted to replace OBDI PROM that was causing Check Engine light to come on. I was stubborn young punk who wouldn't listen to him and wanted to keep the car in original condition. I was a purist who didn't want to drive Cutlass with Check Engine light on. I was an old school car ethusiast whose motto was "if you can't do it right , don't do it all." All I care about is winning. If it costs $5000 or more to fix a problem I don't care. If the car can't run without the Check Engine light I'll junk the f**king thing. Even if I lose thousands of dollars. It's like getting rid of a whore who's outlived her usefulness. Snowflakes. Cry me a f** king river. Man up or junk it the ho or the car.

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад

      "Cadillacs are the worst to work on" then you go on to describe the built in diagnostics from 1981 that other kinds of cars still don't have today, over 40 years later. Diagnostics that involve pushing a couple buttons on the dash to get codes and even cycle the 8/6/4.. ahead of its time. Why don't you try to diagnose those '80s L Jetronic systems on German cars.. 😀 I was also a mechanic back then, and I'll take pushing OFF and WARMER any day over counting VOM needle swings on a Ford. Chrysler was also notably easy for back then, IIRC starting in '83 you could just cycle the key three times in five seconds to get codes out of the Check Engine light.
      I'm glad the '80s are over in terms of how they made cars. Yes, all of them.

    • @dave1135
      @dave1135 9 дней назад +2

      @@Bolton115 yes, I worked on Ford's and imports too, still have my breakout box somewhere for the ford eec-4 system, and yeah, did several k-jetronic fuel systems, and I agree, modern computer systems are easier to diagnose the problem. My comment was on the Cadillacs they wanted you to use the onboard diagnostics, where the tech1 scanner was much faster to use, instead of all the sub menus you had to go thru on the Cadillac.

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 8 дней назад +3

      Cadillac provided on board diagnostics because no one had a Tech One, Snap-On 3000 (IIRC) or other cartridge based scan tools yet. The ALDL reader in 1983 was a Sun Interrogator that was the size of a console television and had a box of floppy disks and adapters for various '80s cars. In 1987, my high school auto mechanics class went on a field trip to the VoTech college and they had one. It was pretty impressive for its time.
      I still maintain that Cadillac were pioneers in this area. No other cars had the computer control and self diagnostics for several years yet -even other GM models-and being able to troubleshoot it with its own dashboard display and a manual is something I still can't do with most 20 years later models.
      Ok, well now that they all have great big screens and you're more IT guy than auto mechanic.. now you can.

  • @roncarter5922
    @roncarter5922 2 месяца назад +13

    Hi Derek I'm soon to be a fellowern Tennesseer. Spent 25 years in Olds and Caddy stores shops. That wire to the trans is needed for 4-6-8 opperation. The solenoids that push the rocker arms over failed alot. Most people did disconect the trans. Overheating a problem also fan clutch failure and rad airflow must be clear. Sometimes took a few atemps to burp the system.. As for the wirecaps look for caddy emblems a simple swap or a feller might glue them. Your hardest part is the bumper fillers first to be eatan by the sun . I'll be a watchen.😇

  • @darolfitch8917
    @darolfitch8917 2 месяца назад +6

    These old Cadillacs are so cool, Back in the day anyone that drove one was a B.T.O. " Big time operator". You get that old car dialed in, you're going to fall in love with it.

  • @alanrouse7285
    @alanrouse7285 2 месяца назад +136

    I was a Cadillac tech during the '80s. I don't miss working on those rolling nightmares. To clear codes, pull the ECM BATT fuse for 15 seconds. Don't worry about those dents in the tire sidewalls, it's just where the cord plys are joined.

    • @steventerlinden7374
      @steventerlinden7374 2 месяца назад +19

      rolling nightmares 🤣🤣🤣

    • @JohnMurrayOP
      @JohnMurrayOP 2 месяца назад +23

      I was 14 when a good friend’s mom got one in 1980 around thanksgiving. The family owned a Buick franchise by Christmas it had been towed back to Cadillac a couple of times. By new years she had a 1981 Buick park avenue.

    • @carlbernard4197
      @carlbernard4197 3 дня назад

      ​@steventerlinden7374 Will pops 🎉 🎊 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @celliott651
    @celliott651 2 месяца назад +127

    Died when you slapped that electrical tape over that check engine light after all that 🤣

    • @100363Boil
      @100363Boil 2 месяца назад

      That's what my dad did too with his Bronco back in early 80's.

    • @ssimon84
      @ssimon84 2 месяца назад +1

      ***SPOILER ALERT***

  • @jakesgr8sakiorjoe58
    @jakesgr8sakiorjoe58 2 месяца назад +51

    I’m 42 and my first car at 16 was my grandfathers 1970 Cadillac Sedan Deville. My grandparents were poor children of immigrants in the early 1900s in Oklahoma and eventually moved to California when it didn’t suck in the 1930s. Lol! They loved Cadillac and then finally in the 80s when they could finally afford some used ones they got a 68, 69 and a 70 over the years and finally felt like they had made the big time. I remember driving around with them in the 90s as a kid thinking I was the coolest kid going to church or when they would pick me and my cousins up after school to help on the farm. When I was 16 my grandfather sold me his 1970 Sedan Deville for $1000! It was almost mint in 1998. Most kids were driving old 80s imports or 90s if they were lucky. I was rolling in this 1970 pimp ride! I wish I never got rid of it.

    • @trickyricky12147
      @trickyricky12147 13 дней назад +2

      Man that's a cool story! Yes, there was once a time when when California didn't suck. LOL It slowly started to happen in 1963 when the state of commiefornia adopted their own emissions standards on passenger cars TEN years before the federally mandated EPA and CAFE standards mandates on passenger cars. Then, that went bad from the automotive aspect into the economic policies side of things slowly but surely and fast forward to their ridiculous property taxes and cost of living as a whole today. 😢

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад +1

      @@trickyricky12147 Yeah California made automakers stop putting road draft crankcase vents in cars, mandating the evil PCV valves which incidentally also help keep the rings in contact with the cylinder walls. Despicable.

  • @nite-eagle1
    @nite-eagle1 2 месяца назад +9

    Late 80's I was a GM technician. Roger Garner Chevy. Cadillac wiring specialist. Drivability and engine rebuild. Those were Good challenges!!! Thank you for sharing this beast of a car. I owned an 8,6,4. Loved it !!!

  • @cougdoc98
    @cougdoc98 2 месяца назад +126

    Your reaction when it fired was pure and real! We can tell that you had absolutely zero expectations that this turd was ever going to fire or run! Excellent.

    • @user-jz3uv1li4b
      @user-jz3uv1li4b 2 месяца назад +6

      YAAHOOOO GOT IT 😮😂

    • @XAD566
      @XAD566 2 месяца назад +6

      That’s what I thought, the unmitigated glee that it worked is one reason this channel is so …real for lack of a better term
      And it puts a smile on a fellas face every time

    • @CBRHurricane6
      @CBRHurricane6 2 месяца назад

      Great reaction, but I still think he was more surprised by liberty chevelles first fire

    • @user-jz3uv1li4b
      @user-jz3uv1li4b 2 месяца назад +2

      Need to find some covers around the tail lights

    • @TuneStunnaMusic
      @TuneStunnaMusic 2 месяца назад

      A few of his videos have these moments, and its still a surprise to me as well each time!

  • @michaelwalsh98
    @michaelwalsh98 2 месяца назад +135

    From 1990 to 2000, I was the Union Representative at Don Rosen Cadillac, just outside of Philly. In 2000 they sold the Franchise back to GM, as part of GM Project 2000. They had 4 Cadillac Master Craftsman who worked there and they were the Best Cadillac Flat Rate Technicians, I ever saw during my 47 years in the Automotive Mechanic Profession. Love the channel, it warms my old retired Mechanic heart.

  • @jacquejecker4435
    @jacquejecker4435 2 месяца назад +12

    Hey, those black spider legged things are what the original IC's (integrated circuits) looked like. In my early days (mid to Late 1960's) I worked for Texas Instruments, where we built the huge electronic machines that were designed to Test those EC's. I didn't have the smarts to design them, I was just one of the assembly Techs that assembled those monsters from the frame up, including doing all the soldering work on the circuit and ran all the wiring harnesses throughout the machine. It was the best time of my young college days. I loved it.

  • @nathanheinlein8506
    @nathanheinlein8506 2 месяца назад +8

    been watching for years. Derek, keep this as original as possible!! its a 2 year option car thats SO close to being 100%! this thing would be rolling working history if you keep it all original working! dont give up. cant wait to see more of this thing on the channel. best car u own!!

  • @turboman93
    @turboman93 2 месяца назад +71

    My grandfather was a Cadillac master and worked for Sewell Village for 27 years. He retired in '89 and unfortunately, we lost him in 2001. He'd love this series and would probably be cussing that design. :D

  • @Datsuntech
    @Datsuntech 2 месяца назад +75

    I perused the comments but didn't see anyone mention it. The bleep bloop box you pulled out had a reman sticker on it already. That means someone had already changed it once. Also I noticed how easily you pulled the one EPROM. It made me wonder if it wasn't loose and that's why it ran earlier and then quit. Just my observations...
    Nice to see the old girl running even if I'm not a Cadillac guy.

    • @Mythrell
      @Mythrell Месяц назад +4

      yeah that bliip bloop potato chip was definitely loose. It probably would've worked right away... no, probably not.

    • @Mythrell
      @Mythrell Месяц назад +3

      also, on that note, it's more than likely that the hatch thingy was from the original box.. would explain why it was so extra crunchy

  • @isolectricpoint
    @isolectricpoint 2 месяца назад +7

    Absolute respect for keeping the original solution and trying to get all the features of it working!

  • @williamalexander1743
    @williamalexander1743 26 дней назад +3

    On my 81 Coupe DeVille, the mechanic disconnected a wire that went to the transmission, then it ran perfectly on 8 cylinders all of the time. I never had a problem with that engine.

  • @user-nq4xj6sn5m
    @user-nq4xj6sn5m 2 месяца назад +55

    I still like the fact you’re keeping it simple no over budget builds like the other channels, thanks for keeping it real.

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy 2 месяца назад +22

      This. I don't really care about a $28,000 engine you got for free in exchange for sponsor plug and build a car none of us can afford. Keep it real is where it's at. Derek is awesome.

    • @ViceGripGarage
      @ViceGripGarage  2 месяца назад +18

      Always!

    • @402kev4
      @402kev4 2 месяца назад +6

      As much as I hated wire wheels when I was detailing cars. (Man they're a pain in the downstairs area) And even though they said Oldsmobile. A caddy just doesn't look right without them. Thanks for making me laugh as always, you honestly make a guy feel better 👍🏻

  • @tomleech9753
    @tomleech9753 2 месяца назад +50

    I also do vintage computer repair, and watching you yank those chips then try to cram em back in was terrifying and hilarious. :) I recommend a chip puller, a pin straightener, and some DeOxit D5 if you ever have to do that again.

    • @bomberaustychunksbruv4119
      @bomberaustychunksbruv4119 2 месяца назад +7

      I do too. I also cringed when he did that - but I love the guy, and well it worked ok !.

    • @jobertvangool9961
      @jobertvangool9961 2 месяца назад +6

      I was screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO at the screen 😂

    • @castlegarage6969
      @castlegarage6969 2 месяца назад +3

      Ha ya I think he got too big for comment section also..making $$$

    • @williamalexander1743
      @williamalexander1743 26 дней назад +3

      I guess he wasn't concerned about the static electricity or bending the pins.

    • @TheHsan22
      @TheHsan22 12 дней назад +1

      No antistatic wrist strap for Derek.

  • @jerrydunmire8653
    @jerrydunmire8653 2 месяца назад +21

    Really surprised you haven’t installed An exhaust port to your overhead doors so you can get the exhaust outside of your fabulous building. A guy needs to use his lungs a while longer and it also make it safer for your little people. Really enjoy the channel, and how much you care about and work to make your family a part of what you do every day. Keep on keeping on blessings to you and yours

    • @blake8297
      @blake8297 2 месяца назад +3

      Ive always thought the same thing. I wouldnt be able to stand those old vehicles running inside like that.

    • @Demoralized88
      @Demoralized88 Месяц назад

      Have you seen how enormous that building is inside? It's gonna take a lot of exhaust to even make a dent

    • @williamalexander1743
      @williamalexander1743 26 дней назад +1

      When I was younger, my father used to go to a junkyard where the family worked on cars in a garage with the doors closed. Eventually, they all developed health problems, and then they sold the business.

  • @jeffTriumph2061
    @jeffTriumph2061 2 месяца назад +30

    We used to own one of these 4-6-8s. The GM dealer mechanic cut a transmission sensor wire to disable it. He said it was the best way. Our 368 was carboned up, and it shook a bit running on 6, so that's why we cut the wire, but ours actually worked, and saved some gas before that. Ours turned out to be a rare 2 door Fleetwood Brougham. Gold, white and chrome!

    • @illwillyum
      @illwillyum 2 месяца назад +1

      Wish it were that easy on my 2017 GMC 5.3 with AFM..

    • @DarrenBoxhall
      @DarrenBoxhall Месяц назад +3

      Was probably the High Gear wire that tells it it's in top gear and shit cylinders down. If it doesn't get that signal, it won't do it

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад +2

      Your mechanic didn't do you a favor. Shoulda just run some GM top end cleaner through it, removing the carbon the right way and letting you keep saving the MPGs on the road.

  • @1969BBC
    @1969BBC 2 месяца назад +52

    I realize this vehicle could easily make a fella frustrated to no end, so just watching the never ending clever humor just truly makes my day. Thank you for producing all of the hands down best you tube channel.

    • @ViceGripGarage
      @ViceGripGarage  2 месяца назад +11

      Thank you so much.

    • @enzoonymus3084
      @enzoonymus3084 2 месяца назад +6

      You noticed too Derek is very cool headed. Big problems are a minor frustration to him a real professional automotive technician.

  • @johndonovan9569
    @johndonovan9569 2 месяца назад +42

    I love the fact you switch from a full build of a pick up, to a problem child caddy and still show on your other channel the real life of owning and building your infrastructure. I look forward to every episode.

  • @samkirk3662
    @samkirk3662 2 месяца назад +7

    Please. This is 1 of those cars that has to live and be restored. Go on VGG, give us a full resto❤

  • @2true359
    @2true359 2 месяца назад +2

    Holy Mullet Batman! That kid's mullet is LEGENDARY!

  • @jlc928
    @jlc928 2 месяца назад +26

    My husband worked on those at the Cadillac dealership years ago. He said they were a pain in the bottom.
    😅
    He is explaining everything to me as we watch.
    He now teaches college in Ontario

  • @naughtmeenaym869
    @naughtmeenaym869 2 месяца назад +21

    All the old school Cadillac guys were cheering when you finally said "off and warmer". 😊

  • @jmj18462
    @jmj18462 2 месяца назад +3

    Hello Derek and family 🎉 I hope you enjoyed af peaceful and enjoyable Easter Sunday! Back in the day , a neighbor of ours bought one of these brand new and i initially they were quite happy with it. That is, until one fateful night when at 2am or so the multiple cylinder engine short circuit edges and burned their beautiful home to the ground! A passing motorist saw flames and smoke billowing out the garage windows, and banged on their front door until someone answered. They all made out safely and in just the nick of time!

  • @johnhedglin9144
    @johnhedglin9144 2 месяца назад +3

    Former tire guy here. That area on that rear tire is ok. Now, if it was bulged out, then a guy has something to worry about. That means separated steel belt in there.

  • @PCWood-sn2cc
    @PCWood-sn2cc 2 месяца назад +49

    This man is a hero. He suffers on these horrid repairs for our entertainment and knowlege. Salute*

  • @topper5133
    @topper5133 2 месяца назад +24

    I worked as an electronic tech in the 80's and I was cringing when Derek first started to put the PROMs in the reman PCM. He got it done though without bending up the pins. Nice job! As always a very entertaining video.

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy 2 месяца назад +8

      I was basically holding my breath at that point and wondering how he was ever going to find replacement PROMs.

    • @MarianoLu
      @MarianoLu 2 месяца назад +2

      Pretty sure my heart stopped beating until I saw those PROMs in.. 😂

  • @pdoherty
    @pdoherty 2 месяца назад +3

    This episode really brought back memories. I was a young Service Director of one of the largest Cadillac stores in the Metro Detroit area in the late 70's to mid 80's. Thanks for your shout out of respect for the techs in that era. That car caused a lot of lost sales to Lincoln. Unfortunately, it was replaced by the HT4100 the following year. Many more years of heartburn for Cadillac. Love your channel and stuff on TV. Wish you and your beautiful family continued success. One last thing, I learned very quickly how to manage and turn around an upset customer or a overworked and upset technician trying to get their 8-6-4 back on the road.

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад +1

      GM should really have stuck with the 425 that this platform was engineered to contain. The 4100 became a good engine ten years later, but had no business being in a C body RWD DeVille. Even the 368 was a better choice, versus losing 100cid and a lot of cam bearings. A 7 liter V8 with multiport fuel injection that could modulate its displacement.. that would be modern today, and is what GM should have built back then. But shareholders like cheap.

  • @michaelinorlando8507
    @michaelinorlando8507 Месяц назад +1

    I cant explain why I get so excited about these 80's Cadillacs. I just do. 🎉

  • @scottlindstrom6743
    @scottlindstrom6743 2 месяца назад +16

    VGG showed up today in an MSN article on the 10 Best Car Restoration Shows on TV. They had GREAT things to say about you.

  • @keithbailey540
    @keithbailey540 2 месяца назад +526

    Gotta say, fella was watching Cletus on his helicopter and got the notification that VG video was up. Had to say good bye to Cletus.

    • @Cody-ew5zw
      @Cody-ew5zw 2 месяца назад +23

      lol dude same here! Instant change over

    • @scottvis7800
      @scottvis7800 2 месяца назад +16

      Me, too! Im sure Cleeter will put a guy in it at some point

    • @scottfisher7254
      @scottfisher7254 2 месяца назад +4

      Lmao same

    • @cbus1971
      @cbus1971 2 месяца назад +5

      Me three

    • @jaredmatijevich3238
      @jaredmatijevich3238 2 месяца назад +4

      Haha same

  • @CaptNRetro
    @CaptNRetro 2 месяца назад +3

    as a guy who rebuilds pinball machines and arcade games..and struggles with auto repair...watching you struggle with the PROMS was pure joy

  • @johnsarcaneautos
    @johnsarcaneautos 2 месяца назад +7

    My uncle bought this exact car. Same year, color, hub caps and engine. I recall it being rather gutless, but the engagement of the 8-6-4 system felt like a trans shift, so not bad at all. They really didn't have much trouble with it at all.

  • @mannyperez3981
    @mannyperez3981 2 месяца назад +23

    How cool is this Derek took on the challenge to fix one of the most problematic engines and rose to the occasion occasion Hats off to Vise Grip Garage.

  • @jimbo5728
    @jimbo5728 2 месяца назад +17

    The best VGG are when derek is struggling and confused. Need more like this 👍👍👍

  • @funkenstienjones8918
    @funkenstienjones8918 2 месяца назад +1

    The look of pure joy on his face, priceless

  • @robd7365
    @robd7365 2 месяца назад +2

    So happy a guy's working on this unique rigg... The 4-6-8 are just so cool despite everything!

  • @thorsbyguy5121
    @thorsbyguy5121 2 месяца назад +51

    Owned the top of the line version of this car at the end of the 90's. Original, low miles, one elderly owner car. Very deluxe, Kelsey Hayes real wire wheels. Put a boatload of work and money into it. Nothing would ever stay fixed. The insulation on the huge bundle of wires in the door hinge reminded me of dried silly putty, fell off in inch long chunks. These cars were still in the wrecker yards then and I had multiple computers, TBIs, etc for "just in case". So, so many problems. It just never ended. I loved it so, I gave it the best I had, and eventually, it just broke my heart. If you don't hate Caddys yet, this car will fix that for you. Run away, save yourself.

    • @joelh.4228
      @joelh.4228 2 месяца назад +2

      Agree, I figured Derek gave up on it after it first beat him. Hope it ultimately works out for him!

    • @user-kg2ly2lb8z
      @user-kg2ly2lb8z Месяц назад

      Idk...I own an identical car to this one,two 1990 Brougham, and a 1992 Brougham. They have been hands down the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned. They rarely need anything,most of the work I do is cosmetic and routine maintenance. If you get one thats been badly neglected, I suppose it could be a different story.

  • @Norwegiansteam1
    @Norwegiansteam1 2 месяца назад +15

    My Dad had one of these brand new. Drove it two days and brought it back to the dealer and said he never wanted to see it ever again. By the way he had the exact same color like yours. They gave him another one without that crazy engine.

  • @keithandrews7696
    @keithandrews7696 2 месяца назад +2

    Had a Cadillac 8-6-4 sedan .. white with red leather seats. Was a great ride up and down the east coast. Great at highway speed, but a pain at city driving, shifting back and forth through the active cylinder changes. Six cylinders was terrible. We finally put a toggle switch in to by pass the cylinder changes.

  • @LumberJosh1
    @LumberJosh1 2 месяца назад +2

    Man I loved your tv show. Father and I got sick with COVID a year ago and we binge watched your show. Your channel finally showed up on my fyp, and I started watching! Love your funny humor; keep it up!

  • @johnvilleneuve7944
    @johnvilleneuve7944 2 месяца назад +12

    Your pure joy and excitement that it actually runs was shared with the engineers, assembly line workers, dealer make ready folks and lastly, the unfortunate owners of that automobile. “Stay running…stay running, oh it’s running” !! Joking aside I tip my hat to you staying determined to get it running with its original fuel injection. Such a fun video thank you !

  • @graciel3725
    @graciel3725 2 месяца назад +11

    The neighbor across the street from my grandmother was the guy who put that Cadillac book together every year, that was his job. Strange living in the Detroit Suburbs how you meet so many people with cool jobs. Love you guys brother! ❤

  • @paralyse78
    @paralyse78 2 месяца назад +2

    I'm glad you kept the EFI even though it's a PITA. Most of the ones I saw and have seen had 4 barrel conversions or permanent 8-6-4 deletes. Chrysler had the exact same issues with their early Bendix EFI in the 1981-1983 Imperial, and most of those got scrapped for a good Holley as well. Dealers even offered factory conversion kits. Replace the fiberglass extensions and it would be a good Sunday driver for lunches or going to church. FYI -- retrofit kits for the AC to R134 are available, if you want to keep it, but many of the interior AC parts such as the evaporator are no longer available anywhere. I had an '87 Fleetwood in the shop years ago that was owned by a nice older gentleman, we had done the 134a conversion and it needed a condenser, looked for 6 months and had to resort to pick-n-pull.

  • @enmaumino
    @enmaumino 2 месяца назад +3

    The flashback edit on the exhaust was really, just, perfect

  • @michaelstreeter5687
    @michaelstreeter5687 2 месяца назад +4

    Dad was a Cadillac mechanic from 1955 to 1989. It's something to see all these details again.

  • @roberttourville5219
    @roberttourville5219 2 месяца назад +10

    Derek you went toe to toe with this caddy and you win by TKO outstanding Job and work and diagnostic!!!!!!!!! You Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @eNosArmory
    @eNosArmory 2 месяца назад +2

    Hey Derek! I live in Burnsville MN... loved watching you back in the day... still love your videos, never miss one. My dad passed last Tuesday... he had no idea what RUclips was let alone who you are... but I enjoyed your videos through a tough time... he didn't give a crap... but I give a crap. Thanks!

  • @unclepauly2959
    @unclepauly2959 2 месяца назад +3

    I had a factory limo 1981 10 passengers when we retired it car had 360k on the clock the 4V6/8 worked perfectly.

  • @Tunnelramlife
    @Tunnelramlife 2 месяца назад +21

    My cousin Jimmy idolizes you! He talks like you, dresses like you, has all your merch, has a mullet....even has pictures of you in his bathroom! So I had to check out your channel. Good stuff, the wife and I watch it together, it's become our thing together. Keep up the great work!

    • @TuneStunnaMusic
      @TuneStunnaMusic 2 месяца назад

      Is your cousin a secret intelligent guy masquerading as a dimwitted farm boy?

  • @michaelabrams1244
    @michaelabrams1244 2 месяца назад +22

    Derek, your patience is inspiring. Your bravery too. If I opened the hood and saw the hose factory that exploded under there, I'd a just closed it again and sent it on it's way. I sure appreciate being able to relax, learn a thing or two, and get encouraged by your videos. Thanks to you and your wonderful family for all you do!

  • @robertbush8327
    @robertbush8327 27 дней назад +1

    Glad you finally got it going, enjoyed the video. Brought back memories of my dad's 4/6/8, 4 door gray Fleetwood , many road trips, he put 250k miles on it.

  • @williamalexander1743
    @williamalexander1743 26 дней назад +3

    When the engine is hot, the fan clutch is supposed to be locked or have limited slippage.

  • @Kuessemir
    @Kuessemir 2 месяца назад +20

    Nothing beats VGG!

  • @craigjorgensen4637
    @craigjorgensen4637 2 месяца назад +46

    That was a one year only disaster for Cadillac! The dealer mechanics just hated to work on them because they never stayed fixed. The “fix” was to clip some wires so they only ran on 8 cylinders. Things got even worse the next year when the POS HT 4100 engines came out. These were followed up by the troublesome Northstar engines. These were dark days for the mighty Cadillac when they lost most of their long time loyal customers.

    • @jw-hy5nq
      @jw-hy5nq 2 месяца назад +15

      Dad was a GM mechanic back then, best in the shop so he got saddled with all these junk heaps. He didn't last too much longer, retired and took a job at an elementary school. Cleaning up puke and listening to screaming brats was easy after having to deal with the GM courses every 6 months.

    • @richg3411
      @richg3411 2 месяца назад +6

      Yup, precisely correct. That's how my parents' was fixed. Just ran on 8.

    • @jmace1957
      @jmace1957 2 месяца назад +9

      My Dad had a Sedan DeVille this year with the V8-6-4. He hated it so bad, he took it back to the dealership and made them take it back when it had 5 or 6000 miles on it. And replaced it with the HT4100!!!! He bought a Lexus after that and would never consider a Cadillac again.

    • @jw-hy5nq
      @jw-hy5nq 2 месяца назад +2

      @@jmace1957 almost everyone of those heaps sold came back and got scrapped. The small block diesel conversions were also a great sales move (for every other company)

    • @Josh_D03
      @Josh_D03 2 месяца назад +3

      I had a Northstar years ago. Sad the engines are junk cuz the car was beautiful

  • @gregkingsley3309
    @gregkingsley3309 Месяц назад +1

    I really am glad for this part 2! If ever a car needed saving this caddy is it. We often get perplexed at technology. Thanks for not giving up!

  • @ludicrous7044
    @ludicrous7044 2 месяца назад +6

    That Caddy was a mistake in 81and STILL is!! The diesel Oldsmobile was too!!REST IN PEACE!🪦

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад

      Gee, it's funny how nowadays, that computer processing has caught up with the ideas from back then, that several makes now have modulated displacement engines that turn off some of the cylinders at various times to save gas.
      Also, if you have one of these cars now, GM stuck with them til into the '90s-meaning the later PROMs give 30 percent more power than the car had when it was new. What other '80s car could get a factory provided chip that gave it 30 percent more ponies in its power barn?

  • @switchtr3
    @switchtr3 2 месяца назад +33

    LMAO, when messing with the gas tank Derek says "how do I..." and for whatever reason here I am thinking 'liiiiive without you' and what do you know our guy follows up saying the same thing. I damn near died laughing

  • @JeffDriskill
    @JeffDriskill 2 месяца назад +101

    DEREK! Hold down OFF, then keep holding it and hold down WARMER!! Same for clearing codes hold down OFF, then hold down HI. This brings back a lot of memories, most of them bad 😀

    • @perfecttommy6952
      @perfecttommy6952 2 месяца назад +18

      Codes have to cycle three times then back to start of sequence, then you can clear it. Same as the 4100's and the 4.5's after the 4-6-8. Sadly I was a dealer tech in the early 90's and the "new guy" me, got the 4-6-8's, the 4100's and Allantes, I was like hazing for the new guy. Of course you can rarely get all of the codes cleared for very long. Several eprom revisions did come out that made things better though. That was how you updated the ecu back then, new proms from the parts department and send the old proms back.

    • @cdw4255
      @cdw4255 2 месяца назад +5

      @@perfecttommy6952 I had a 4100, dearlawd. That thing drove me nuts.

    • @Ksoism
      @Ksoism 2 месяца назад +3

      I was telling him that the whole time - if you can see the temp changing, then it isn't working. It's the same with a lot of (now) old tech, simultaneously pressing means press one, and keep it pressed then the other. Add to that, that those old buttons usually work badly at best, it's hard to make 3 seconds of connection with them.

    • @kworld429
      @kworld429 2 месяца назад +1

      @@perfecttommy6952 You and I had the same nightmare career paths. I really do still have bad dreams of the shitty dealers and Cadillacs that I worked on or for.

    • @perfecttommy6952
      @perfecttommy6952 2 месяца назад +1

      @@kworld429 The best part is we can watch Derek do this and remember how fortunate we are today.

  • @rcwp8110
    @rcwp8110 2 месяца назад +2

    The new hubcaps are way cooler , love ya work

  • @jonhbaker1511
    @jonhbaker1511 2 месяца назад +2

    Wow this feller was SHOCKED when he seen just how clean inside this caddy actually is...😮

    • @jonhbaker1511
      @jonhbaker1511 2 месяца назад +1

      Those caddy hubs SUCK...GO back to the wired old mobile spoke hubs no one can see the Olds when it's rolling down the road 🛣️ anyway.

  • @gordeymixer5494
    @gordeymixer5494 2 месяца назад +33

    This car was by far my favorite build video😂😂😂😂😂hilarious!!!

    • @oldblueaccord2629
      @oldblueaccord2629 2 месяца назад +1

      The brake drum rolling out the shop door was an all time classic!

    • @aliasfred
      @aliasfred 2 месяца назад +1

      @@oldblueaccord2629Loved how it went between the legs on his tripod without even coming close to hitting it.

  • @jamessouthworth1699
    @jamessouthworth1699 2 месяца назад +14

    I did my first headliner 2 years ago and it was so much easier than I thought it would be. I kicked myself for all those years of having crappy headliners. You should include that in an episode. I got the material from Hobby Lobby. They've got the foam backed material just like the original headliners. All you need is a can of 3M headliner adhesive and the material. I took a drill and a wire wheel to get the old glue off the headliner board then I just sprayed it down and laid the new headliner on. It's not really that hard to take out the old headliner board so you can work on it.

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy 2 месяца назад +3

      YES!

    • @user-cu5sc5wy6c
      @user-cu5sc5wy6c 2 месяца назад +2

      Don’t use the aerosol glue, it will fail. Use Formica adhesive in a spray gun, available at big box stores. It is water resistant and will last way longer than the spray can glue.

  • @sammydeleon250
    @sammydeleon250 2 месяца назад +4

    I like the spoked hubs better !!

  • @masonbradford
    @masonbradford 2 месяца назад +1

    I am loving this restoration let’s go and try to get this gal completely running!!! You are the first person on RUclips that’s tried this in depth. I don’t know how you have found all of this information because I have run into a lot of dead ends!!! Love it Derek

  • @StevenSayers-oc4gk
    @StevenSayers-oc4gk 2 месяца назад +6

    Dereck, you are the wizard, the magic man, the grand master! A fellar can certainly learn a thing or two from you. Almost forgot to say, What a brave man you are. Your wife & kids are lucky to have you too.

  • @Jay95873
    @Jay95873 2 месяца назад +8

    My 78 was also known to wake me up in the middle of the night when it was humid, the moisture would somehow set my horn off all by itself, so I would have to disconnect the battery, my neighbors loved me😂

  • @xciteful
    @xciteful 2 месяца назад

    I love that your whole family is involved. Wonderful. Perhaps the most family oriented car channel in all the world. Love you people.

  • @user-bf7pw8od3v
    @user-bf7pw8od3v Месяц назад +1

    Oh yes, I remember index cards in the library I came into this world July 1973. I remember the old days the way life used to be.

  • @jff141
    @jff141 2 месяца назад +80

    Derek I have to say that I have never seen a brake drum take off like that in all my years as a mechanic I’ve seen oxygen tanks blow through the wall, but never a drum rolling on the ground like that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @anarky4711
      @anarky4711 2 месяца назад +10

      I have. 77 El Camino. It put a new doggy door in the wall of my shop.

    • @Grey_Wulfe
      @Grey_Wulfe 2 месяца назад

      Why is this last nut so hard to get off?…BOOM

    • @jw-hy5nq
      @jw-hy5nq 2 месяца назад +5

      It really proves that the car was truly garage kept.

    • @ViceGripGarage
      @ViceGripGarage  2 месяца назад +12

      It also had never happened to me up until that point.

    • @jff141
      @jff141 2 месяца назад +2

      @@ViceGripGarage Derek I also thought it was funny when it happened you were smiling from ear to ear so o had to laugh 😂 🤣🤣🤣

  • @bjbear1945
    @bjbear1945 2 месяца назад +23

    I graduate from H.S. in 1981. The Gas Saving 864 Caddy was designed. When gas was $1 a gallon and minimum wage was $3.35.

    • @marcbee1234
      @marcbee1234 2 месяца назад +2

      In 1969 minimum wage was $1.60.

    • @HereForAStorm
      @HereForAStorm 2 месяца назад +1

      Even back then, liberal loons convinced much of the population that the world was going to end in 5 years if we didn't change our entire ways of lives and give those at the top more control over everything and make it infinity worse.

    • @stevemccauley5734
      @stevemccauley5734 2 месяца назад +5

      Minimum wage varies from state to state. It was $3.25 in 1991 when I started my first job. I made $ .10 over & thought I was making decent money. Gas though was only $ .90 a gallon then too. I worked in the next state over from where I lived. In the state I lived in it was something like $2.65 if I recall.

    • @robertheinkel6225
      @robertheinkel6225 2 месяца назад

      @@stevemccauley5734back in the early 80s, I was an agricultural mechanic. My boss offered me a $.05 an hour raise. That raise would buy me a can of Pepsi a day.

    • @repaid1317
      @repaid1317 2 месяца назад +1

      @@stevemccauley5734 Just a quick clarification Minimum wage is Federal. While states can implement their minimum, if Federal is higher, employers must pay it. So yes states can state a higher minimum than federal, but not lower.

  • @AlexanderWaylon
    @AlexanderWaylon 2 месяца назад

    I have nothing but love, admiration and appreciation for your style, and the content of this video.

  • @Fix_It_Again_Tony
    @Fix_It_Again_Tony 2 месяца назад +3

    This is awesome. I love seeing old stuff get fixed instead of swapped for something else.

  • @luvtruckin4x4
    @luvtruckin4x4 2 месяца назад +27

    The box you pulled said Remanufactured on it.

    • @danscott3880
      @danscott3880 2 месяца назад +1

      Had a G.M sticker on it

    • @jeffosim8789
      @jeffosim8789 2 месяца назад

      @@danscott3880it had both Reman and GM on the same sticker 😎

    • @scottbenjamine4890
      @scottbenjamine4890 2 месяца назад

      that said remanufactured,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,someone had been there,,done that before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,@@danscott3880

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy 2 месяца назад +2

      Ain't that girl's first rodeo.

  • @kenlee5509
    @kenlee5509 2 месяца назад

    This car is why I am subbed to you. You are inspiring me to keep working on my '79 4 door version. Thank you again!

  • @BaltimoreAndOhioRR
    @BaltimoreAndOhioRR 2 месяца назад +1

    Looks WAY better with the wire wheel covers! 🚘

  • @guerro327
    @guerro327 2 месяца назад +13

    Clearing Trouble Codes -
    During trouble code display: Simultaneously press and hold ‘OFF’ and ‘LO’ buttons
    When ’00’ is displayed: Release the ‘OFF’ and ‘LO’ buttons
    To end diagnosis:
    Press the ‘AUTO’ button, or switch ignition OFF for 10 seconds

    • @AR-ed3xw
      @AR-ed3xw 2 месяца назад

      A sex bot copied your comment and got lots of praise from people for the advice! Even Derek thanked them for your advice! Thought I would give credit where it is due for this good advice!

  • @lts0113
    @lts0113 2 месяца назад +4

    A guy looks at what's going on, and well, been there, done that. You're awesome. Hats off. Had a few wobble pops. I'm old. 70. Thanks.

  • @StevenTrumps
    @StevenTrumps 2 месяца назад +1

    Derek,
    Really enjoy your channel with all the awesome content. Really impressed with your patience and knowledge displayed as you troubleshoot your way through so many different issues. Keep up the good work and many blessings to you and your family.
    Steve-Ohio

  • @oneoldmansgarage7880
    @oneoldmansgarage7880 2 месяца назад +26

    Oh well, if you wanted to know about one of these, I was the guy. I worked as a tech in a Cadillac dealership at the time those came out. Truth that it didn't work well. You can't dump gas in a cylinder that doesn't fire. I actually have the book you are going through. It was fun working on those things!

    • @51-FS
      @51-FS 2 месяца назад +1

      U can.... it just still wont run

    • @Bolton115
      @Bolton115 10 дней назад

      I thought those solenoids disabled the intake valves so no gas got in?

    • @oneoldmansgarage7880
      @oneoldmansgarage7880 8 дней назад +2

      @@Bolton115 It did but when the vale did open there was a puddle of fuel sitting over the valve that got dumped into the combustion chamber.

  • @jonnothetrucker
    @jonnothetrucker 2 месяца назад +9

    Gotta say, sittin here on an aussie Saturday afternoon enjoying a beer, and watching Derek work his magic, is a darn good day !
    Ohh, and a fella did a pretty darn good job on the exhaust fitment there too !

    • @davidgalea6113
      @davidgalea6113 2 месяца назад +2

      Do you guys in Aus still have any old iron and v8 engines lying in junkyards? Here in my country malta have we absolutley nothing..if it wasn't for the British building an airstrip here during the war we wouldn't even have a drag strip.

    • @jonnothetrucker
      @jonnothetrucker 2 месяца назад +2

      @davidgalea6113 they're still lying around, although nowhere near as common these days, and in my experience, people tend to hang onto old stuff more now too

  • @woodieturner7468
    @woodieturner7468 2 месяца назад

    Love that you are revisiting an old project!

  • @rel124c41a
    @rel124c41a 2 месяца назад +3

    Such a beautiful car. Hope you put the wire wheel caps back on.

  • @--BiZ--
    @--BiZ-- 2 месяца назад +4

    The relay convenience center 😂🤣 The technology a guy has to deal with in this rig is simply breath-taking.

  • @chadstewart8567
    @chadstewart8567 2 месяца назад +21

    Definitely remember that. Index Cards and the Dewey Decimal System. I feel old now.

    • @rickydonahue1586
      @rickydonahue1586 2 месяца назад +3

      I'm with you brother!😢

    • @bmwpete65s55
      @bmwpete65s55 2 месяца назад +3

      Conan the Librarian!
      Weird Al - UHF

    • @ourelton
      @ourelton 2 месяца назад

      Is that Dewey from "Huey, Dewey and Louie"? Figures. After all, their great uncle is Scrooge McDuck

    • @kellismith4329
      @kellismith4329 2 месяца назад +2

      It’s all on microfische

    • @tonyriehle6657
      @tonyriehle6657 2 месяца назад

      ​@@kellismith4329microfiche!
      Haven't heard that in a few.
      I had to learn how to use that system when the Army started putting their supply system on that.

  • @mijimonmaster
    @mijimonmaster 6 дней назад +1

    When bending exhaust pipe, try filling it with sand so the pipe will bend but wont crush on the inner curve.

  • @user-ue2ys1gx6e
    @user-ue2ys1gx6e 2 месяца назад

    God bless you for going through all this to show us how this car runs. Love your videos!

  • @glennholmes9587
    @glennholmes9587 2 месяца назад +9

    55:54 Those caps look good, but I like the spokes, good video thanks for showing sharp looking Cad.

  • @terryrideout7457
    @terryrideout7457 2 месяца назад +12

    I love the 2 door coupe .80's caddy almost bought one of those.

  • @weshaygood
    @weshaygood 2 месяца назад

    My respect level for you just went up even more ! I'm glad you went back after it. Most people would run away from that car due to all the problems they had.

  • @rodgarrett881
    @rodgarrett881 2 месяца назад

    Hi Derek,
    I always enjoy your shows but this one brought back especially fond memories. I separated from the Air Force in January of 1982 and my first job was selling Cadillacs and Oldsmobiles. My brother was the service manager at the same dealership and we rideshared on many occasions. This was a rough spell for General Motors due to back to back to back flops in the form of 5.7L diesels, 8-6-4 and HT4100 mistakes.
    You always impart knowledge combined with risk taking which leads to interesting episodes. Best of luck and keep up the great work.

  • @JacobNykiel
    @JacobNykiel 2 месяца назад +35

    Derek I hope you see this, I greatly appreciate all the hard work on your videos lately, but please next week take a breather and spend some quality time with your family.

  • @philipgagne1852
    @philipgagne1852 2 месяца назад +4

    The muffler removal flashback😂😂 was gold!!!