Because I know I will get comments saying how the average person wont use this app. Duh. Especially currently as this beta app stands, only super geeks like me will have any interest in using it BUT I do believe its fun for the average person to see what the hardware of these phones are truly capable of!
Love the vid bro! Can you do a raw video test of the new 22 ultra? I wonder what the lens could do! BTW I think "cinematic s22 raw" would be a trending vid :P Keep on doing what your doing TObin! Its great!
Using this app on my Galaxy Note8 and I must say that it does wonders. I'm glad that I was finally able to work with RAW footage because I don't have a camera that shoots RAW Video. The quality is mind blowing on this phone from 2017 so I just wonder what 2022 smartphones can do 🤯
@@initialfocus when? Also are you in the MotionCam group chat? They have make the workflow easier on latest beta . Also Pro version have proxy DNG which make system easier to edit your DNGs.
looks great! Well tested. I guess still not particularly convenient for the average smartphone video shooter. But it's nice to see what the image can look like without all the computational stuff
What's good about this app is that it can write to an external SSD, avoiding the huge file transfer time - you can just plug the SSD with the assets and use it directly in Resolve. USB IO is the main bottleneck on most phones in this case, but at least several models (OnePlus 8 Pro and up, in particular) are able to push 4K@60fps without issues. Furthermore, there's some work planned to integrate it with another awesome FOSS software called gyroflow, which can get you Sony/GoPro-like software stabilization on a phone. Be sure to check it out when it's done. (it's not done yet) As always though, the problem with Android is platform fragmentation, you'd have to look for a phone that allows 3rd party apps to use auxiliary lenses. And of course RAW recording is super demanding to the storage speed.
@@NewFreedomPodcast Yeah! Although, it splits the video between phone's storage and the External drive you attach as it writes to both of these simultaneously to increase performance as the RAW video files are enormous and a lot of phone's storage is not fast enough to write data that quickly, it takes like a gig for every few seconds of recording!!
This is the biggest revolution in the world of mobile videography! I want to say a big thank you to Mirsad who wrote this unique app, and to the AMVR team! Thank you guys, you are number one!
They have released the pro version(paid), much more stable, more features (focus peaking, raw hitogram etc) and better compression (lower output size). Maybe have an updated review?
Finally, nice that you found it Michael! Been testing MotionCam for past few months, incredible progress the dev made over that time. To what it is now:) More or less all features are there, just interface kinda missing, but I'm sure through the year it improves, depending on dev. As somebody mentioned, if you do next video about this, please mention that it can write externally on SSD through usb-c to usb-c port (yes, port is most impartant part to get sufficient speed, so nvme adapter with usb-c works) and some devices can record even up to 4K60fps (crazy). And container files can be converted on the PC, making this much quicker and enjoyable solution. And vignette fix works on that, just cuts slightly DR. On my Mi 11 Ultra i can get all three camera's working with 4K60fps no issues, just the xiaomi has usb-c type 2.0 port, so mostly I do trasfer via FTP to wifi solution. As I heard of, phones like 1+ 8 Pro or Find X2 Pro can record up to 4K60fps, just main lens only. 1+ 9 Pro is capped to 30fps. Samsung phones have issues (S21 series) - they do not go over 18~23 fps, for the RAW16 issue. Only known latest working Samsung phone is S20 FE 4G/5G Snapdragon variant, or older models like Note 8/9, S9+ etc. Pixel 6 Pro does provide nice footage, but as I get an opinion from they're owners who tested that, they mentioned that Pixel 6 devices has kinda "prebaked" raw dng, so if wanting max quality possible, Pixel 6 is not the best device to showcase this app. As well as Xperia devices, they do not work at this moment. Wonder if Samsung S22 series would work, because there were issues with SD888 phones, and my Mi 11 Ultra was kinda exception to get that 4K60fps working. Will be doing more showcases on that in near future. Good luck!
@@miesto_paukstis Where are the discussions happening for this project? I'm interested in following the progress. Where can I find a list of device compatibility? I still have to purchase an android device for this. Looking for the device that has the most legs for a project like this.
@@magic2253711 Hi Tim, youre pleased to join Advanced Mobile Video Recording channel on Telegram. There is a pinned list of various tested devices /experience from the users. As usually RUclips blocks a shared links, so please find and join that group on telegram channel. I've put a links also under my video description.
great video! was waiting for it! you can record on external SSD or NVME and debayer on your PC or Mac M1 and also with the OnePlus 8 Pro, you can record 4K 60p! crazy
Michael, kudos and thanks for starting this discussion. After reading all comments and replies, I think it is very important to retain perspective here: this app IS NOT for the casual user, and it's OK like this. We've known that well ever since the LG V30, a marvel video machine with CineLog, which LG dropped with the V40 and thereafter, in the face of consumer lack of interest. Apps like these cannot be mainstream. With Motion Cam, we are now being taken beyond Log. Guys, DNG RAW on an Android phone is just insane. It is the brainchild of a genius geek, who should be encouraged and even supported financially, regardless of "consumer" interest or lack thereof. Those who read this channel are not consumers, we are informed smartphone users who appreciate technical breakthroughs such as Motion Cam and are happy to use them. No one says the app has to be used in every daily filming, but it sure is welcome when one aims for the best quality possible from a phone camera. The older readers here would also remember the sheer cost of shooting and working with DNG just 10 or 15 years ago - unaffordable but for professionals or casual users with deep pockets. So let's just be grateful for Motion Cam, use it, enjoy it, encourage the creator and share info on which phone models work best with it.
This app is unreal! I can't believe that there is an Android app that can do this! I've always thought that iPhones even if they don't offer the best possible camera hardware are better in terms of support for 3rd party apps that can take advantage of that hardware, but man this app is incredible!
Yo i'm definitely going to try this app out . the footage is insane i normally notice when people shoot with their phones but this app is a musta have , i'm watching from my 4K monitor and it looks dope
@@initialfocus On my Pixel 3a I have major frame drops after 2 seconds when shooting at 1080p24. That was expected considering that the hardware is too old. I've tried the max settings with 16 stacks and tthe image quality is over the moon, it's really impressive! The Pixel 6 can shoot 4K24p without any frame drops?
Good to see that you got this done on your channel. Motion cam is really special, I remember using the 1st RAW capture version of this app back in late November 2021 on my midrange Realme 7 smartphone & from that day I have been super excited about this. Thanks to Mrisad & also the AMVR community to keep improving it with time♥️♥️ Literally I was so excited for RAW video that I failed in all my exams XD
THANKS FOR UR REVIEW MY GUY! I'm a new subscriber, and cnt wait to see what's to come. Let us know how writing to an external hard drive, changes the experience on this app. I'm interested to know 🙏🏼🙏🏼
omg the picture looks aweasome. The proresRaw never looked like raw to me with those aggressive noise reduction and oversharpened look. I wish I could record h.265 videos with no sharpness and color reduction added. Or maybe blackmagic Raw!
In 5 or 10 years we know phone cam will be even better so better results with motioncam, the quality will keep getting better with the app since cams in phone will keep upgrading
Trying it on my galaxy S20 plus, it's CRAZY !! You can even choose ProRes codecs now ! But my s20 couldn't read it, still learning, any tips please tell me, Much better than stock camera, editing is crisp, beside noise
Great video, thanks a lot. I'm gonna try it. The iPhone up the 14 video is pretty terrible in terms of sharpening and artifacts, unusable on close ups... Let's see the 15 pro LOG video, but Im really curious to try this coming from the excellent Magic Lantern :)
This was super helpful, thanks. I just ordered a pixel 6 pro thinking the hardware would have untapped potential. This seems to confirm it. It would be amazing if somehow Blackmagic Raw could be shot on android, or some other format that's not as clunky as DNG. Still, exciting news.
A bit late to the party MIchael. I have tested motioncam on redmi note 9s (snapdragon 720G - Samsung S5KGM2 48mpx main sensor) and It is working up to 4000x3000 30fps CFR open gate!!! I think It would be phenomenal if a phone like pixel 6 pro or 7 pro writes directly cDNG on external ssd or nvme drive (that you can stick on the back of your phone) Have you tested something like that?
Google use tensor which is actually exynos under the hood but its compatable with motioncam. Its samsung restricting the fun here with their closed source.
I just hope that the developers of this application will receive support from Android manufacturers and especially from Google to prevent Apple from buying it and making it a ios exclusive as usual 🤞🏽.
Hey Michael, would be awesome to get a part 2 video on this if you have time. Does it work continuously without dropped frames on all the Pixel 6 Pro's cameras? And how does it handle recording directly to an ssd? It's such a cool project with a lot of potential!
There will definitely be follow up videos to this app. Hoping to get the Samsung S22 Ultra towards the end of the month and excited to try these things with that phone
Because you've always seen heavily compressed output. This goes to show you how much better the RAW image sensors are in these smartphones than most people are aware of. It would be a similar case, only better with DLSMz that only offer compressed lossy formats. I was part of an experiment to capture RAW DNG from a Samsung NX1, which was released in 2014. The image would blow your hat right off your head.
@@initialfocus Quadcopter pilots love it but there are already couple of examples of it being used on Motion cam videos too 👍 Really excited of the RAW video, it's finally happening. I knew it's possible with the hardware for a long time but nobody took it seriously before these guys actually did it😁
muy buen video, con el movil con la APP......disculpa me podrías ayudar a saber como puede pasar un video DNG (que es un conjunto de fotos en una carpeta) pero al pasarla a la Laptop Mac, se pasa tal como está, ya lo he probado en Davinci Resolve y me sale igual se pasa como fotos y cuando reproduce en el propio editor, se hace una tira de fotos en la linea de fotos, y no video.....ya he probado en una laptop de Window HP, pero igual.....que proceso hay para que los editores de la computadora lo reconozca como video DNG y no Foto DNG. Gracias.
Hey, when I am recording video using the app everything looks amazing until I start moving or walking. As soon as I walk the footage starts lagging and being choppy. Is it a issue of shutter speed or an app problem? Could you help??
They make a sd card Plug in for the IPhone that does make Transferring ProRes raw files a little bit easier. I’m not saying it’s the best but just letting everyone know that. You can find it on Amazon.
Yeah that can be a easier workflow but sadly it’s still USB 2.0. So it won’t be any faster than plugging directly into the computer. Lightning port is the bottleneck.
@@initialfocus , its the fact that Apple used a USB 2.0 interface on a "premium" phone that bothered me. Why they put ProRes on the phone without an option to transfer faster really blows my mind.
Could you advise me. Will recording be available in 4k 60 frames per second if you buy the pro version of the application. Or our pixel 6 pro can only do video at 30fps?
This is what I'm talking about, the camera phone hardware today really reach its peak but they just make morea and more updated hardware just to justify the high price and new phone instead of focussing on software capability, I think the next step would be phone would record on raw video while on live then after that the processor would going to convert to normal video codec such as mp4 without losing so much quality instead of direct recording of phone while not using the full potential of the hardware, our phone today are so much powerful to process this kind of trick.
You mean the Blackmagic camera app? It has ProRes Apple LOG on iPhone because Apple makes that codec. No android that I know of has a native proper LOG codec.
Ridiculous. Pros work with all sorts of aspect ratios in post. All it means us you have to know which aspect ratio your going to edit in when you shoot. Where did you even pull up the logic behind what you just stated?
@krane15 no! 8k24p is the most it'll do. I was referring to 4k. 4k30 is the max in motioncam with the s22u! Apparently it's samsung hamstringing 3rd party apps
NOTHING will stack up to RAW data. RAW data is every bit of information an image sensor can capture. As soon as that capture is written to ANY compressed lossy wrapper (format) data is thrown away. With RAW it's not about the phone. 99% of image sensors in smartphones are produced by Sony or Samsung. At this first layer it's all about the physical RAW sensor. There is no corresponding post processing by the phone manufacturer. Where the phone brand matters is obviously the operating system the app is coded for and, of course, the hardware that drive it in terms of performance and storage performance.
Do they? Samsung like every other phone has RAW photos but I’ve yet to see anyone have their own raw video codec. Closest besides using the motioncam app is ProRes on iPhones.
OMG... That is insane. But I would rather have just the unedited video. Because you know- digital overshapening and noise reduction... Without them, video would be useable. But the phone are used for shoot and forget about technical stuff so...
Definitely for the majority of the time regular video app and modes is perfect. Like you said this is far too technical for the every day phone filming haha
If this app is truly capturing the sensor and outputting as a DNG sequence, then yes it's going to be a 16bit raw (12bit log raw) variant for any phone that can normally also shoot 10 bit compressed video. If the phone could only shoot 8bit video then it would likely be limited to 8bit RAW, assuming the phone had the bus speed and memory speed to store it without dropped frames. I'm going to see if my Xperia 1 II can use this at all. !0:1 it ill be limited to the primary camera for this phone if it works. I'll post an update later if it does.
Hi, as far as I know, Xperia phones has issues with MotionCam raw capture. Hope that would change in future, but it is up to Sony hands if they unlock or not. Anyway, for Xperia mcpro24fps works so well.
great, waited for that for years !!! it works on my pixel 4 xl (obviously it is without the very usefull video digital stabilisation we have in gcam so only usable on a tripod but color quality is here, we are finally going to get good skin tone in android video)
Pixel 6 Pro is the first phone I’ve tested this app with. When you start the app it will tell you what phones it has been tested with. Just bring along a bunch of hard drives haha
Once you bring them into resolve in the media bin you can just double click to view it in the source viewer or drag it to the timeline and play it there. Then just go to the deliver page to export it as a video.
Yes, you cant get mirrorless aps-c or ff camera look, thats for sure. And mostly thing is not the smaller sensor itself, but the lens.. plasticy, soo reduced by the compactness, less quality materials etc. We should not run from that - what it looks like smartphone. No. But this solves the issue of weird phone manufacturers processing and gives us total control of what the hardware is capable itself. We control the wb, how colors looks like, how to expose, control shadows/highlights, to what level use noise reduction/sharpening or not to use it at all. And definately the phones are more capable that average user thought of. Sometimes the gap itself its not big if you compare for example mirroless or dslr m4/3 camera from back in 2013-2015 using kit lens and those top end phones which is able to shoot raw. Check my latest vid, i shot raw footage on phone in really low light situations. M4/3s cam from those years definately would have struggled with kit lens in those situations.
Make filming on Android great again ! The app is really great,it works flawlessly even on my Oneplus 7t from 2019.. Good content,i liked it how u presented the app... Greetings from 🇭🇷
There is a solution that you can save the files as a .container, and you can transfer these files into PC, download an extractor from the motion cam github page, and it'll export the DNG into the computer faster rather than using the smartphone. Right when you start up the app, don't click on raw video yet, just select the saving location first, then select raw video and try recording. There should be .container files in that folder and you can transfer em easily without going to the manage video button. Also I tried with my LGv40, budget smartphone but works nonetheless, it works well on Internal storage rather than external SD storage in terms of performance.
@@webinatic216 Yes, it doesn't work if there are non-english letters in the folder name. The author acknowledged this problem and will fix it in the future.
i wish the app have an external storage saver so you can attach it to an external ssd or usb because in phones like pixel 6 they have the usb 3.1 for fast transfer
Well…not easily. No phone has a RAW video codec standard and no phone company would market cinema DNG since it’s such an old and painful codec to use hah
@@initialfocus if a third party app can be made, like Motion Cam, to do it, why can't the company who made the device.and I don't think its the codec problem. cause capturing video has to go through RAW format event though the end results is an mp4. excluding the file size problem. it is a good feature to have. I always takes picture in RAW. the photos are printable and not cartoonish as the stock camera proccesssed photos.
Because I know I will get comments saying how the average person wont use this app. Duh. Especially currently as this beta app stands, only super geeks like me will have any interest in using it BUT I do believe its fun for the average person to see what the hardware of these phones are truly capable of!
Love the vid bro! Can you do a raw video test of the new 22 ultra? I wonder what the lens could do! BTW I think "cinematic s22 raw" would be a trending vid :P Keep on doing what your doing TObin! Its great!
No worries bro. Might as well compare your comment sections with other RUclipsrs. Much more camera geeks here. You've got your audience!
Using this app on my Galaxy Note8 and I must say that it does wonders. I'm glad that I was finally able to work with RAW footage because I don't have a camera that shoots RAW Video. The quality is mind blowing on this phone from 2017 so I just wonder what 2022 smartphones can do 🤯
Groundbreaking app. Can't wait to see footage from other high end android phones !
Yeah can’t wait to test in on the S22 Ultra once it arrives!
@@initialfocus yes please!!!
@@initialfocus when?
Also are you in the MotionCam group chat?
They have make the workflow easier on latest beta .
Also Pro version have proxy DNG which make system easier to edit your DNGs.
looks great! Well tested. I guess still not particularly convenient for the average smartphone video shooter. But it's nice to see what the image can look like without all the computational stuff
Can't wait to see your review on this 🙌🏼
What's good about this app is that it can write to an external SSD, avoiding the huge file transfer time - you can just plug the SSD with the assets and use it directly in Resolve. USB IO is the main bottleneck on most phones in this case, but at least several models (OnePlus 8 Pro and up, in particular) are able to push 4K@60fps without issues. Furthermore, there's some work planned to integrate it with another awesome FOSS software called gyroflow, which can get you Sony/GoPro-like software stabilization on a phone. Be sure to check it out when it's done. (it's not done yet)
As always though, the problem with Android is platform fragmentation, you'd have to look for a phone that allows 3rd party apps to use auxiliary lenses. And of course RAW recording is super demanding to the storage speed.
Yes I’m trying that next! Don’t know why I didn’t think to test to see if I could record to my external ssd! Such a good idea thanks!
Having the gyroflow data will be extremely useful!
🤯 umm what? Like I can plug an Extreme Pro drive into my pixel and record directly to there? Is this what you're saying?
@@NewFreedomPodcast Yeah! Although, it splits the video between phone's storage and the External drive you attach as it writes to both of these simultaneously to increase performance as the RAW video files are enormous and a lot of phone's storage is not fast enough to write data that quickly, it takes like a gig for every few seconds of recording!!
recording video in Raw only on the main camera is sad ... we are waiting and we hope that this will be fixed
This is the biggest revolution in the world of mobile videography! I want to say a big thank you to Mirsad who wrote this unique app, and to the AMVR team! Thank you guys, you are number one!
It’s a huge leap forward in quality. That’s for sure.
I was waiting for this for sooo long
@@initialfocus how does it compare to blackmagic raw
They have released the pro version(paid), much more stable, more features (focus peaking, raw hitogram etc) and better compression (lower output size). Maybe have an updated review?
I don't understand the words "raw" and "compression" put together...
@@ost1517 raw means the output is raw format. Compression means the saved format is compressed container
there u go, android is now better for photos & videos
Finally, nice that you found it Michael!
Been testing MotionCam for past few months, incredible progress the dev made over that time. To what it is now:) More or less all features are there, just interface kinda missing, but I'm sure through the year it improves, depending on dev.
As somebody mentioned, if you do next video about this, please mention that it can write externally on SSD through usb-c to usb-c port (yes, port is most impartant part to get sufficient speed, so nvme adapter with usb-c works) and some devices can record even up to 4K60fps (crazy). And container files can be converted on the PC, making this much quicker and enjoyable solution. And vignette fix works on that, just cuts slightly DR.
On my Mi 11 Ultra i can get all three camera's working with 4K60fps no issues, just the xiaomi has usb-c type 2.0 port, so mostly I do trasfer via FTP to wifi solution.
As I heard of, phones like 1+ 8 Pro or Find X2 Pro can record up to 4K60fps, just main lens only. 1+ 9 Pro is capped to 30fps. Samsung phones have issues (S21 series) - they do not go over 18~23 fps, for the RAW16 issue. Only known latest working Samsung phone is S20 FE 4G/5G Snapdragon variant, or older models like Note 8/9, S9+ etc. Pixel 6 Pro does provide nice footage, but as I get an opinion from they're owners who tested that, they mentioned that Pixel 6 devices has kinda "prebaked" raw dng, so if wanting max quality possible, Pixel 6 is not the best device to showcase this app. As well as Xperia devices, they do not work at this moment. Wonder if Samsung S22 series would work, because there were issues with SD888 phones, and my Mi 11 Ultra was kinda exception to get that 4K60fps working. Will be doing more showcases on that in near future.
Good luck!
wow, u did made a nice resume of amvr chat lol nicely done
@@SebastianMerca lol, but yeah hope someone notices it and hope it helps
@@miesto_paukstis Where are the discussions happening for this project? I'm interested in following the progress. Where can I find a list of device compatibility? I still have to purchase an android device for this. Looking for the device that has the most legs for a project like this.
@@magic2253711 Hi Tim,
youre pleased to join Advanced Mobile Video Recording channel on Telegram. There is a pinned list of various tested devices /experience from the users. As usually RUclips blocks a shared links, so please find and join that group on telegram channel. I've put a links also under my video description.
@@miesto_paukstis Thanks mate! That's exactly what I was looking for! Will be following progress!
This is really cool for video enthusiasts! android phone + Raw DNG recorded to external SSD + external mic = win
This setup makes me think of selling my pocket 4k. I'm not a videographer, I just want top quality video in the most efficient way possible.
great video! was waiting for it!
you can record on external SSD or NVME and debayer on your PC or Mac M1
and also with the OnePlus 8 Pro, you can record 4K 60p! crazy
Definitely going to try more 60fps stuff as well as recording straight to an SSD.
Any phone recommendation as of today?
Michael, kudos and thanks for starting this discussion. After reading all comments and replies, I think it is very important to retain perspective here: this app IS NOT for the casual user, and it's OK like this. We've known that well ever since the LG V30, a marvel video machine with CineLog, which LG dropped with the V40 and thereafter, in the face of consumer lack of interest. Apps like these cannot be mainstream. With Motion Cam, we are now being taken beyond Log. Guys, DNG RAW on an Android phone is just insane. It is the brainchild of a genius geek, who should be encouraged and even supported financially, regardless of "consumer" interest or lack thereof. Those who read this channel are not consumers, we are informed smartphone users who appreciate technical breakthroughs such as Motion Cam and are happy to use them. No one says the app has to be used in every daily filming, but it sure is welcome when one aims for the best quality possible from a phone camera. The older readers here would also remember the sheer cost of shooting and working with DNG just 10 or 15 years ago - unaffordable but for professionals or casual users with deep pockets. So let's just be grateful for Motion Cam, use it, enjoy it, encourage the creator and share info on which phone models work best with it.
Dude that footage is insane! I can’t believe that was shot on a phone.
Right?! It’s so clean!
This app is unreal! I can't believe that there is an Android app that can do this! I've always thought that iPhones even if they don't offer the best possible camera hardware are better in terms of support for 3rd party apps that can take advantage of that hardware, but man this app is incredible!
Yo i'm definitely going to try this app out . the footage is insane i normally notice when people shoot with their phones but this app is a musta have , i'm watching from my 4K monitor and it looks dope
The app I was hoping for is finally here. So amazing!
Yeah! Hope people keep developing it so it becomes smoother but it’s so nice to have as an option!
@@initialfocus On my Pixel 3a I have major frame drops after 2 seconds when shooting at 1080p24. That was expected considering that the hardware is too old. I've tried the max settings with 16 stacks and tthe image quality is over the moon, it's really impressive! The Pixel 6 can shoot 4K24p without any frame drops?
@@spikewilliam I tried the same phone, but it is underpowered for Motioncam. I am now using a Samsung Galaxy S10 Lite and it works very well at 30 fps
This is indeed next level mobile video quality. It just needs an option to compress just a little bit as the storage space consumed is insane.
nicely done! i am glad u see the light ^^
🙌🏼
Good to see that you got this done on your channel.
Motion cam is really special, I remember using the 1st RAW capture version of this app back in late November 2021 on my midrange Realme 7 smartphone & from that day I have been super excited about this.
Thanks to Mrisad & also the AMVR community to keep improving it with time♥️♥️
Literally I was so excited for RAW video that I failed in all my exams XD
Have you tested mcpro24fps on Android ? It's the best alternative along with good exposure. Bitrate can be set to very high values.
It is cinemadng codec I think
the obvious question is : can it record on a usb3 external ssd through the usbc otg plug ?
Yes
THANKS FOR UR REVIEW MY GUY! I'm a new subscriber, and cnt wait to see what's to come. Let us know how writing to an external hard drive, changes the experience on this app. I'm interested to know 🙏🏼🙏🏼
That footage is insane! Wow!
It would be great to see the finished broll shot in raw on a smartphone in order to fully appreciate the capabilities of this application.
Them file sizes though! But I'm interested in giving this a spin on the Pixel 6 Pro!
Any comparisons or thoughts pixel raw video vs. iPhone log
Video coming soon on that! 😏
@@initialfocus 💋
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omg the picture looks aweasome. The proresRaw never looked like raw to me with those aggressive noise reduction and oversharpened look. I wish I could record h.265 videos with no sharpness and color reduction added. Or maybe blackmagic Raw!
Yeah the muddy looking noise is what always killed regular phone footage to me!
@Y4vuz12 ProRes RAW is not available on iPhone. Only ProRes (video stream, no DNG involved).
This app is gonna be a game changer
In 5 or 10 years we know phone cam will be even better so better results with motioncam, the quality will keep getting better with the app since cams in phone will keep upgrading
Trying it on my galaxy S20 plus, it's CRAZY !! You can even choose ProRes codecs now ! But my s20 couldn't read it, still learning, any tips please tell me,
Much better than stock camera, editing is crisp, beside noise
Hey Mike can you please make us Available the RAW footages. Would be helpful for us to dig in more... Thank you brother for this awesome video... ♥
Great video, thanks a lot. I'm gonna try it. The iPhone up the 14 video is pretty terrible in terms of sharpening and artifacts, unusable on close ups... Let's see the 15 pro LOG video, but Im really curious to try this coming from the excellent Magic Lantern :)
This was super helpful, thanks. I just ordered a pixel 6 pro thinking the hardware would have untapped potential. This seems to confirm it. It would be amazing if somehow Blackmagic Raw could be shot on android, or some other format that's not as clunky as DNG. Still, exciting news.
Mc app is so good but daam those file sizes 😱
way to go #motioncam - let's rock!
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Great video. I have to ask, what's with the vignette on the footage? Is that from the sensor or a lens attachment
This was back 8 months ago..
New version has an option for removing vignette
A bit late to the party MIchael. I have tested motioncam on redmi note 9s (snapdragon 720G - Samsung S5KGM2 48mpx main sensor) and It is working up to 4000x3000 30fps CFR open gate!!!
I think It would be phenomenal if a phone like pixel 6 pro or 7 pro writes directly cDNG on external ssd or nvme drive (that you can stick on the back of your phone) Have you tested something like that?
how do you edit
@@roboticvenom1935 I edit cdng files with davinci resolve 18.
Not sure why Samsung with Exynos are not compatible. Tsk3
Google use tensor which is actually exynos under the hood but its compatable with motioncam.
Its samsung restricting the fun here with their closed source.
@@komekko373 yeah messaged the developer of the app myself about it.
I need for Filmic Pro to incorporate Raw DNG. I think anyone who has left because of the sub model, would now come back.
I just hope that the developers of this application will receive support from Android manufacturers and especially from Google to prevent Apple from buying it and making it a ios exclusive as usual 🤞🏽.
Don't want another Dark Sky incident 😔
S22 Ultra video plz
When I get my hands on it you know I will!
@@initialfocus thnx man, l love your work ♥️🔥
amazing,and there is a link to the sources ?
Hey, when you color grade in davinci, wish color space en gamma input do you put in the color space transform to convert it to rec.709 ?
How do you compress these motion cam videos after grading
Hey Michael, would be awesome to get a part 2 video on this if you have time. Does it work continuously without dropped frames on all the Pixel 6 Pro's cameras? And how does it handle recording directly to an ssd? It's such a cool project with a lot of potential!
There will definitely be follow up videos to this app. Hoping to get the Samsung S22 Ultra towards the end of the month and excited to try these things with that phone
@@initialfocus Still plan on a follow up? Curious if you got to test anymore on this.
As far as I know, the pixel has such a feature of the system that you can only shoot from the main camera to third-party applications ... /
I've never seen a smartphone 4k video this good.
Because you've always seen heavily compressed output. This goes to show you how much better the RAW image sensors are in these smartphones than most people are aware of. It would be a similar case, only better with DLSMz that only offer compressed lossy formats.
I was part of an experiment to capture RAW DNG from a Samsung NX1, which was released in 2014. The image would blow your hat right off your head.
I don't think it's worth the mess
Works on Galaxy S20 FE 5G, snapdragon variant. Thanks for making this video, I have a new app to play with now.
Gyroflow if you want stabilized footage.
That’s a great idea too!
@@initialfocus Quadcopter pilots love it but there are already couple of examples of it being used on Motion cam videos too 👍 Really excited of the RAW video, it's finally happening. I knew it's possible with the hardware for a long time but nobody took it seriously before these guys actually did it😁
mcprofps does the same as well
wanna see this app using s22ultra
Once it arrives I’ll definitely be testing that out
muy buen video, con el movil con la APP......disculpa me podrías ayudar a saber como puede pasar un video DNG (que es un conjunto de fotos en una carpeta) pero al pasarla a la Laptop Mac, se pasa tal como está, ya lo he probado en Davinci Resolve y me sale igual se pasa como fotos y cuando reproduce en el propio editor, se hace una tira de fotos en la linea de fotos, y no video.....ya he probado en una laptop de Window HP, pero igual.....que proceso hay para que los editores de la computadora lo reconozca como video DNG y no Foto DNG. Gracias.
thank you for sharing
Have you heard about the mcpro24fps video camera app?
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Hey, when I am recording video using the app everything looks amazing until I start moving or walking. As soon as I walk the footage starts lagging and being choppy. Is it a issue of shutter speed or an app problem? Could you help??
They make a sd card Plug in for the IPhone that does make Transferring ProRes raw files a little bit easier. I’m not saying it’s the best but just letting everyone know that. You can find it on Amazon.
Yeah that can be a easier workflow but sadly it’s still USB 2.0. So it won’t be any faster than plugging directly into the computer. Lightning port is the bottleneck.
@@initialfocus , its the fact that Apple used a USB 2.0 interface on a "premium" phone that bothered me. Why they put ProRes on the phone without an option to transfer faster really blows my mind.
I hope someone will developing Log Profile recording app for android phone so we not struggling rendering bunch of DNG files 😅
This is bonkers
Could you advise me. Will recording be available in 4k 60 frames per second if you buy the pro version of the application. Or our pixel 6 pro can only do video at 30fps?
Yo Michael, have you done any further tests with MotionCam? I'd love to see what you've come up with! Cheers man :)
Premiere pro cannot import RAW DNG files....whats the way out ?
This is what I'm talking about, the camera phone hardware today really reach its peak but they just make morea and more updated hardware just to justify the high price and new phone instead of focussing on software capability, I think the next step would be phone would record on raw video while on live then after that the processor would going to convert to normal video codec such as mp4 without losing so much quality instead of direct recording of phone while not using the full potential of the hardware, our phone today are so much powerful to process this kind of trick.
I just got a filmmaker Woody! Who's got a video using this directly with an SSD?
Blackmagic Camera has RAW on iPhone, but why not on Android?
You mean the Blackmagic camera app? It has ProRes Apple LOG on iPhone because Apple makes that codec. No android that I know of has a native proper LOG codec.
@@initialfocus Got it, thanks. I was surprised that the iPhone app had LOG, but not pixel 8.
all the latest phones are subject to a 4:3 format and this is a serious issue for pros.
Ridiculous.
Pros work with all sorts of aspect ratios in post. All it means us you have to know which aspect ratio your going to edit in when you shoot.
Where did you even pull up the logic behind what you just stated?
@@matthewhartman7176 ridiculous. i am a professional photographer. what do you do for a living.
Has anyone been able to get 60FPS raw recording working on an S22 Ultra? The most I can select is 30FPS.
I assume you're referring to 8K?
@krane15 no! 8k24p is the most it'll do. I was referring to 4k. 4k30 is the max in motioncam with the s22u! Apparently it's samsung hamstringing 3rd party apps
How does this hold up now to the iPhone 15 pro?
NOTHING will stack up to RAW data. RAW data is every bit of information an image sensor can capture. As soon as that capture is written to ANY compressed lossy wrapper (format) data is thrown away.
With RAW it's not about the phone. 99% of image sensors in smartphones are produced by Sony or Samsung. At this first layer it's all about the physical RAW sensor. There is no corresponding post processing by the phone manufacturer.
Where the phone brand matters is obviously the operating system the app is coded for and, of course, the hardware that drive it in terms of performance and storage performance.
Is there any Way to import DNG files to Da Vinci Resolve Ipad?
Quick question. is it possible to gage the dng file and store it in an external hdd. without a PC
Thanks for that. Samsung already has its own raw but I haven't tried it.
Do they? Samsung like every other phone has RAW photos but I’ve yet to see anyone have their own raw video codec. Closest besides using the motioncam app is ProRes on iPhones.
@initialfocus
Samsung does NOT enable RAW video. RAW photos, yes. The OP is confused.
this app needs an update so I can use 200 axis stabilization on my zenfone 9 lol
This app needs more recognition! thanks for the video Michael
this is nuts !
Such a great video! Looove the intro with the music. Also, your a-roll shots always look amazing!
Thanks so much man 🙌🏼
They should enable external ssd recording with the usb c port
OMG... That is insane. But I would rather have just the unedited video. Because you know- digital overshapening and noise reduction... Without them, video would be useable. But the phone are used for shoot and forget about technical stuff so...
Definitely for the majority of the time regular video app and modes is perfect. Like you said this is far too technical for the every day phone filming haha
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Too bad that RED is gatekeeping the ability to shoot RAW. Hopefully Nikon wins the case.
DONE. lol
What's the name of the song in the intro?
If this app is truly capturing the sensor and outputting as a DNG sequence, then yes it's going to be a 16bit raw (12bit log raw) variant for any phone that can normally also shoot 10 bit compressed video. If the phone could only shoot 8bit video then it would likely be limited to 8bit RAW, assuming the phone had the bus speed and memory speed to store it without dropped frames. I'm going to see if my Xperia 1 II can use this at all. !0:1 it ill be limited to the primary camera for this phone if it works. I'll post an update later if it does.
Hi, as far as I know, Xperia phones has issues with MotionCam raw capture. Hope that would change in future, but it is up to Sony hands if they unlock or not. Anyway, for Xperia mcpro24fps works so well.
great, waited for that for years !!! it works on my pixel 4 xl (obviously it is without the very usefull video digital stabilisation we have in gcam so only usable on a tripod but color quality is here, we are finally going to get good skin tone in android video)
Not having stabilization it's sill worth it
"Groundbreaking app".
incredible!! Now i can i dont have to bring my camera to travel!!! You recommend pixel pro or any other phone with this app??
Pixel 6 Pro is the first phone I’ve tested this app with. When you start the app it will tell you what phones it has been tested with. Just bring along a bunch of hard drives haha
I imported the files to Davinci resolve but I don't know how to play them back or export them to video.
Once you bring them into resolve in the media bin you can just double click to view it in the source viewer or drag it to the timeline and play it there. Then just go to the deliver page to export it as a video.
This is absolutely wild! 🔥
i love this app
"except for Final Cut" like Final Cut is professional haha
Anyone tried it on a s21 ultra? I can barely get 10fps at 4k...
I think this is super cool, but at the same time... It still just looks like smartphone footage.
Yes, you cant get mirrorless aps-c or ff camera look, thats for sure. And mostly thing is not the smaller sensor itself, but the lens.. plasticy, soo reduced by the compactness, less quality materials etc.
We should not run from that - what it looks like smartphone. No. But this solves the issue of weird phone manufacturers processing and gives us total control of what the hardware is capable itself. We control the wb, how colors looks like, how to expose, control shadows/highlights, to what level use noise reduction/sharpening or not to use it at all.
And definately the phones are more capable that average user thought of.
Sometimes the gap itself its not big if you compare for example mirroless or dslr m4/3 camera from back in 2013-2015 using kit lens and those top end phones which is able to shoot raw.
Check my latest vid, i shot raw footage on phone in really low light situations. M4/3s cam from those years definately would have struggled with kit lens in those situations.
Increible! MotionCam is the best tool for mobile videomarkers.
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That's like saying boots are the best shoes. Not if you're running track or playing basketball. Understand how it works now?
Make filming on Android great again !
The app is really great,it works flawlessly even on my Oneplus 7t from 2019..
Good content,i liked it how u presented the app...
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Glad to hear it’s working for you! Thanks for watching!
hdr10+ equal raw???
Apples and oranges Jeeves.
There is a solution that you can save the files as a .container, and you can transfer these files into PC, download an extractor from the motion cam github page, and it'll export the DNG into the computer faster rather than using the smartphone. Right when you start up the app, don't click on raw video yet, just select the saving location first, then select raw video and try recording. There should be .container files in that folder and you can transfer em easily without going to the manage video button. Also I tried with my LGv40, budget smartphone but works nonetheless, it works well on Internal storage rather than external SD storage in terms of performance.
Thanks for the tip! I’ll definitely try that out!
@@initialfocus my modest pc smashes the conversion to RAW. Dont bother doing it on your phone
@@initialfocus I think the mac version is a bit broken. It crashes when loading the container.
@@webinatic216 Yes, it doesn't work if there are non-english letters in the folder name. The author acknowledged this problem and will fix it in the future.
i wish the app have an external storage saver so you can attach it to an external ssd or usb because in phones like pixel 6 they have the usb 3.1 for fast transfer
you can save on external ssd
@@SebastianMerca meanwhile ur recording or later after saved?
@@Hades69777 u can do it both ways
@@SebastianMerca oh la la thank you
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What did I just read?????
You read it right! 🤞🏼fingers crossed this developer makes some much needed improvements and this could be huge!
Now this seems worth it versus the iPhone raw… (edit: to you nerds commenting: y’all know wtf I mean lol chill)
It’s definitely leaps forward in terms of final quality! Hope the app keeps getting optimized
iphone does not provide raw, they only name it raw :D
iPhone does not output RAW. The name is ProRes (not ProRes RAW).
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The fact that Android phone has option RAW for photo and not video is absolute stupidity.. I mean they can do it so easy yet they won't
Well…not easily. No phone has a RAW video codec standard and no phone company would market cinema DNG since it’s such an old and painful codec to use hah
@@initialfocus if a third party app can be made, like Motion Cam, to do it, why can't the company who made the device.and I don't think its the codec problem. cause capturing video has to go through RAW format event though the end results is an mp4. excluding the file size problem. it is a good feature to have. I always takes picture in RAW. the photos are printable and not cartoonish as the stock camera proccesssed photos.
@@mainkordormawblei LG came closest with cine log, you can search up some examples with the LG V30