You can see why Gene has been called in to fill in for a lot of bands. Besides being an awesome drummer he just seems like an all around good guy and a good hang.
That's how I knew that Dino Cazares is a shitty person, cause Gene has been playing with so many bands and never had any problems. He's able to fit in and do his work perfectly. So when they basically kicked him out from FF, that's when I realised that Dino is not just a "complicated person".
@@deran1983 yeah FF has always been one of my favorite bands and Dino a big influence on my rhythm playing. He’s got that bionic right hand from the future lol. He always seems cool in interviews, but yeah sounds like working with him is the issue. It’s like Taylor Swift running through boyfriends then boo-hooing in her music. After so many you’re like, "no honey…you’re the problem.” Lol
@@travislee9662 yes, I agree. No doubt Dino is a great guitarist with distinctive style and he has created (or helped to create) a whole genre. But 4 out of 4 former members said he's a piece of s**t, which kinda seems to be the truth. I even think that the lyrics from Archetype are about him ("the infection has been removed, the soul of this machine has improved").
@@Sasquatch33 Vinni Paul. Hell Yeah. Vinnie is basically the definition of Groove Metal. Love Danny as well but I don't groove to his playing that much.
It's like widely acknowledged that Mesguggah created a whole new genre of music/metal, and Haake is right in the center of that. And Hoglan is like obviously a huge influence, absolute legend, playing tech double pedal with the boots and old pedals just because fuck you.
"Just because fuck you" is a very apt description of how we felt when Dark Angel released Darkness Descends back in '86. Haake and Hoglan are both living legends.
Dont forget the weights!! Hoglan is an goddamn animal, and packin alot of weight himself in his former days which also adds to the insaness. But his work with Death on ITP and Symbolic in my mind is probably some of the best extreme metal drumming ever recorded. OFC Haake is insane aswell, never got into Meshuggah tho, to much math involved LOL
The southern friendliness and warmth of Gene and the humility of the northern Swede make for such a cultural encounter. All these compliments are complicated to digest for Tomas. 😄
So much mutual respect and appreciation between these drumming giants! What a motivation both those guys have been over many years to keep practicing and also be a kind, respectful and humble person!
I've met both of these guys and they are physically huge dudes. I still have no idea how they manage to play that level of speed and surgical precision at their age with that much flesh to sling around. Absolute legends.
@@rishabhbose29 Gene gave him tips on double bass drumming during the recording of Haunting the Chapel, and Gene had to hold Daves kit together as he played it because there was no carpet in the studio, and the China cymbal in Chemical Warfare is Genes'
Even though Strapping is over, Gene still hangs out in Vancouver all the time. He's never been anything but a great person every single time I've talked to him.
I will never forget buying the "None" EP on compact disc and cranking it in my car on the way home from school. Around 1994 I believe. Then 1995 brought Destroy Erase Improve AND Death's Symbolic! My teenage years are all but defined by such albums. I eternally praise the metal deities for having been brought up during such a period of musical ingenuity.
I remember hearing Perpetual Black Second when I was maybe 13 years old. My brain couldn't comprehend the rhythm so the timing just sounded random to me. Years later it clicked out of nowhere, I actually "got" the rhythm and understood why people like the band so much, besides being heavy as balls. I still love table-drumming to the song while listening
This is how drummers interact no egos no competitions just exchanging ideas and explanations techniques and admiration for one another this is the how we roll 🥁🤣 in the drumming community
Anyone else skip this vid as soon as Thomas mentions the 7 year old kid and go and find him?! My heads been blown away by that kids drum cover. Am back here now to enjoy the rest of this drum chat!
Skeksis is such a sick shout out. What a fucking song. The whole "Alien" album with him and Dev is a fucking blaster. 2 absolute giants just chilling and chatting, I love it.
Bro, I could listen to these guys talk drums forever. Like every day. Especially if they were talking technical stuff. Literally, from gear to practice routine, to specific riffs...like everything. These are two of the hardest working, respected, and best metal drummers of all time. I want a Netflix series. Call it "the haake gene". Sign me up, boys. Let's go!
These guys are so great at what they do because the instrument is an extension of their personality. The drumset represents everything you dont see without it. Like Neil Peart. Humble, intelligent, well read and spoken, analytical. But behind the kit, they open up into their final form. Its why I vibe so much with their styles, I totally get it
Gene is the man. But he’s right. Tomas has been the guiding light for modern progressive heavy drumming for 25 years, long before anyone co-opted his now ubiquitous style, which remains wholly unrivalled.
i don't know about the ubiquious style. nobody even comes close in this style. some are more technical but they either lack the groove or just are not coherent in terms of style or have lame writing. nobody writes such cool drum lines. once bleed was out, everybody was hopping on to it. what does tomas do? doesn't rest on his lorries and drops clockworks and now it's ghost notes thats the shit. he's just always ahead of the game because he can write and has great feeling for coherence in art and style. and that's besides his unique approach to these beats in general
Thanks for this - excellent moment you captured for us. Also the Sean Reinert doco is absolutely fantastic - essential viewing for anyone interested in percussive arts 🤙
It’s funny how the most skilled drummers I’ve ever heard in the scene always say/sound like what they do isn’t anything special. Chris Turner in OAA is the same exact way when he talks about his writing
man it's one thing to cover songs like Bleed, and hats off to the guys/gals who nail that sh1t... but creating it, and performing it, jeezus... and same goes for Powershift with Gene on that FEAR FACTORY record, that intro, it is way harder than people think until they attempt it, it's the blinding speed it's played at.
to be honest, it's not that hard. i'm not that good and can wing my way through it. no way in hell i can do that on bleed or tomas stuff. i won't even attempt it
Either drummer increases and enriches any music they are a part of. Anything I've heard either man be a part of has been not only pinnacle but signature. It's great seeing them coyly blow each other hahaha Mountain of stable, wonderful, and inspiring music from both men. And both are gentlemen. Never seen either act a fool, nor be smug, nor be a dick. Just absolute genuine guys.
I have to say, we didn't have RUclips, they didn't do close ups on drummers playing live in my day or their day, we had to figure out how our idols play that stuff the hard way, by trying and working at it for decades. Now kids can go on RUclips or the like and watch live footage of you guys and study the techniques we all had to just figure out ourself, so of course a 7 year old kid has learned how to play really well at such a young age!
the problem is, if they don't go through that trial and error, they miss out on a big thing: developing your own style and sound. it's too easy to copy today and that comes with a cost.
As far as a 7-year-old kid being able to play Bleed on drums, anybody can take out a piece of tracing paper and Trace out a piece of art. But it's the artist that creates it that is the master!!!
@@nathanwalsh3028 he didn't he was slightly off on some of the changes of the song and missed a few hertas here and there and the sound wasn't clear but nonetheless still phenomenal for a kid! He is a Filipino by the name of momo de monster you can find this channel here. He's had several covers, one at 7, 8 and 12 I believe
THE two Titans of the Monster Verse of Metal sitting side by side Godzilla ( Haake ) and King Kong ( Hoglan ) two *LEGENDS* of the Genre we metal heads have been blessed.
I cannot do hertas on my feet, I actually had to change how I play drums. So anyone who pulls off hertas with their feet, my hats off! Freaking two of my favorite drummers on the same podcast, and seeing how much they praise each other! The feels are real!
I've been learning this beat for months and can do it for about 30 seconds before my brain gets mixed up lol I posted a learning fail short on my channel
Never heard of this tribute. Gotta find it immediately. Thomas, Gene and Sean are 3 of my absolute favourite metal drummers. Was lucky enough to see Sean live at my very first metal show on Death's "Human" tour in '92 amazing drummer. Found the show on this guy's channel a couple of years ago. He literally has thousands of full concerts from the 90's. Not a single phone to be seen. Just a bunch of kids going crazy to their favourite bands. Good times. ruclips.net/video/-aURoGenncQ/видео.html
@@spellman007 yeah one guy you moron. Not a bunch of wankers standing in the middle of the crowd. Ive been to this venue at least 50 times during the 90's and they would have one guy, filming from behind the crowd from a landing over the bar.
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Watching Tomas and Gene trying to out humble eachother is wholesome AF
"out humble each other" haha perfect
They are like almost cheering themselves up after a 'failed' career: "No, You really did well Tomas. You are the champion for all of us" ;)
Omg you're right, it's such a wholesome chungus moment. You win le internet's for today sir
You are absolutely right, in the best sense! And these two are just awesome :D
I love it hahaha, and each one cringes while receiving the compliments. 😆
"Never be satisfied with whatever you're doing"
As a head cook, aspiring chef, I live by those words
Thank you Tomas!
You can see why Gene has been called in to fill in for a lot of bands. Besides being an awesome drummer he just seems like an all around good guy and a good hang.
That's how I knew that Dino Cazares is a shitty person, cause Gene has been playing with so many bands and never had any problems. He's able to fit in and do his work perfectly. So when they basically kicked him out from FF, that's when I realised that Dino is not just a "complicated person".
@@deran1983 yeah FF has always been one of my favorite bands and Dino a big influence on my rhythm playing. He’s got that bionic right hand from the future lol. He always seems cool in interviews, but yeah sounds like working with him is the issue. It’s like Taylor Swift running through boyfriends then boo-hooing in her music. After so many you’re like, "no honey…you’re the problem.” Lol
@@travislee9662 yes, I agree. No doubt Dino is a great guitarist with distinctive style and he has created (or helped to create) a whole genre. But 4 out of 4 former members said he's a piece of s**t, which kinda seems to be the truth. I even think that the lyrics from Archetype are about him ("the infection has been removed, the soul of this machine has improved").
@@deran1983 didn’t put that together before on the lyrics, could be true lol
Absolutely. You could definitely see that even more clear on his Twitch streams
That’s all drumming earth can take in this video. Two giants!
two of the , if not THE grooviest, most technical drummers out there.
and metal as hell
I would love to add Chris Adler and Mario Duplantier too in this list.
@Rishabh Bose Eloy Casagrande, Vinnie Paul, and Danny Carey too.
@@Sasquatch33 Vinni Paul. Hell Yeah. Vinnie is basically the definition of Groove Metal. Love Danny as well but I don't groove to his playing that much.
@Rishabh Bose Yeah, Danny's more of a technical player, and Eloy is just pure brutality. But Vinnie is a master at grooves.
It's like widely acknowledged that Mesguggah created a whole new genre of music/metal, and Haake is right in the center of that. And Hoglan is like obviously a huge influence, absolute legend, playing tech double pedal with the boots and old pedals just because fuck you.
"Just because fuck you" is a very apt description of how we felt when Dark Angel released Darkness Descends back in '86. Haake and Hoglan are both living legends.
Dont forget the weights!! Hoglan is an goddamn animal, and packin alot of weight himself in his former days which also adds to the insaness. But his work with Death on ITP and Symbolic in my mind is probably some of the best extreme metal drumming ever recorded. OFC Haake is insane aswell, never got into Meshuggah tho, to much math involved LOL
The southern friendliness and warmth of Gene and the humility of the northern Swede make for such a cultural encounter. All these compliments are complicated to digest for Tomas. 😄
So much mutual respect and appreciation between these drumming giants! What a motivation both those guys have been over many years to keep practicing and also be a kind, respectful and humble person!
Bruh these two have created some of the heaviest sounding shit and they’re both so chill.
Watching these two absolute legends hanging out and complimeting each other warms my heart.
I've found that is the vibe between most drummers. It's a respect level, not even a friendly competition. Just an appreciation for playing.
Earth exploded from humbleness during the shooting of this
This is gold. Heroes, all. Respect and admiration to two of the all time absolute greats, and to this awesome channel!
thanks mate!
Ive been listening to Tomas talk randomly for over 20 years now, and always make it a point to do so
I've met both of these guys and they are physically huge dudes. I still have no idea how they manage to play that level of speed and surgical precision at their age with that much flesh to sling around. Absolute legends.
And Hogland taking off his ankle weights when he needs to go "really fast". Are you kidding me dude? 😎
This is a community unlike any other in music.
I’ve never seen an interview with Gene before. He seems like the sweetest, gentlest guy on the planet. BEAST behind the kit!
he is btw, you are totally right
Agree. Total monster of a player. Also I read somewhere that it was Gene Hoglan who showed Dave Lombardo how to use a Double Pedal. Fookin hell man.
@@rishabhbose29 Gene gave him tips on double bass drumming during the recording of Haunting the Chapel, and Gene had to hold Daves kit together as he played it because there was no carpet in the studio, and the China cymbal in Chemical Warfare is Genes'
Even though Strapping is over, Gene still hangs out in Vancouver all the time.
He's never been anything but a great person every single time I've talked to him.
He does a good interview with Dean Delray. His podcast is called let there be talk and its worth a listen.
The 2 best metal drummers of ALL TIME. Gene just being modest- he could learn/play Bleed for sure.
A good idea for his 3rd DVD
Literally my favorite two drummers in the world.
My two favorite metal drummers.
I will never forget buying the "None" EP on compact disc and cranking it in my car on the way home from school. Around 1994 I believe. Then 1995 brought Destroy Erase Improve AND Death's Symbolic! My teenage years are all but defined by such albums. I eternally praise the metal deities for having been brought up during such a period of musical ingenuity.
Tomas was talking about 7 year olds playing bleed. What's missing is the ingenuity. Lots of people can learn, not a lot can create.
I discovered Meshuggah with "Contradictions Collapse," but "None" absolutely changed my life.
these are literally THE DUDES
Exactly.
I remember hearing Perpetual Black Second when I was maybe 13 years old. My brain couldn't comprehend the rhythm so the timing just sounded random to me. Years later it clicked out of nowhere, I actually "got" the rhythm and understood why people like the band so much, besides being heavy as balls. I still love table-drumming to the song while listening
This is how drummers interact no egos no competitions just exchanging ideas and explanations techniques and admiration for one another this is the how we roll 🥁🤣 in the drumming community
I wanna see more of Gene and Tomas talking about each other's music with each other.
2 off the best drummers evvvver
Two of the greatest drummers to ever play the instrument!
This is like watching two brothers talk after years apart. Metal would not be where it is today without either of them
Anyone else skip this vid as soon as Thomas mentions the 7 year old kid and go and find him?! My heads been blown away by that kids drum cover. Am back here now to enjoy the rest of this drum chat!
Skeksis is such a sick shout out. What a fucking song. The whole "Alien" album with him and Dev is a fucking blaster. 2 absolute giants just chilling and chatting, I love it.
Two legends, they are on my Mount Rushmore for drummers.
Gene IS the mountain upon which other metal drummer faces are carved
Bro, I could listen to these guys talk drums forever. Like every day. Especially if they were talking technical stuff. Literally, from gear to practice routine, to specific riffs...like everything. These are two of the hardest working, respected, and best metal drummers of all time. I want a Netflix series. Call it "the haake gene". Sign me up, boys. Let's go!
These guys are so great at what they do because the instrument is an extension of their personality. The drumset represents everything you dont see without it. Like Neil Peart. Humble, intelligent, well read and spoken, analytical. But behind the kit, they open up into their final form. Its why I vibe so much with their styles, I totally get it
The two have two things in common.... they're humble and there are two of the baddest f****** drummers on the planet
Es increíble ver a estos dos juntos en una entrevista. Gracias
Genuinely love both these guys.
Haake is your favorite drummer's favorite drummer
Facts
I didn't know I wanted a Haake/Meshuggah cover of Skeksis but now I do
Hoglans videos playing with weights on his legs is insane to watch. Both these guys are incredible. Fun to watch them admire each other.
Yooooo... Haake. Gandalf of Drums.. so humble
YEs, being saying that for Years!!!!!! The rules still apply, we can all agree the White Haake is just superior to Brown or grey Haake XD
2 of my absolute favorite drummers.
The GOD of steamroller drumming technique in the house !
Mr. Gene "the freaking" Hoglan !!!!
Damn its never enough of these 2 legendary musicians
Gene is the man. But he’s right. Tomas has been the guiding light for modern progressive heavy drumming for 25 years, long before anyone co-opted his now ubiquitous style, which remains wholly unrivalled.
i don't know about the ubiquious style. nobody even comes close in this style. some are more technical but they either lack the groove or just are not coherent in terms of style or have lame writing. nobody writes such cool drum lines. once bleed was out, everybody was hopping on to it. what does tomas do? doesn't rest on his lorries and drops clockworks and now it's ghost notes thats the shit. he's just always ahead of the game because he can write and has great feeling for coherence in art and style. and that's besides his unique approach to these beats in general
Thanks for this - excellent moment you captured for us. Also the Sean Reinert doco is absolutely fantastic - essential viewing for anyone interested in percussive arts 🤙
thank you so much Tom! Glad you get something out of the Tribute, means a lot to me.
This is the best video on the internet today.
It’s funny how the most skilled drummers I’ve ever heard in the scene always say/sound like what they do isn’t anything special. Chris Turner in OAA is the same exact way when he talks about his writing
Chris seems like a good dude as well.
Estos Manes son los precursores e influencia de muchas de las máquinas que se ven hoy en día en la percusión,mis respetos
This is so fucking good, this is what players need to do with eachother. Too much competition, not enough learning, sharing and lifting eachother up!
man it's one thing to cover songs like Bleed, and hats off to the guys/gals who nail that sh1t... but creating it, and performing it, jeezus... and same goes for Powershift with Gene on that FEAR FACTORY record, that intro, it is way harder than people think until they attempt it, it's the blinding speed it's played at.
to be honest, it's not that hard. i'm not that good and can wing my way through it. no way in hell i can do that on bleed or tomas stuff. i won't even attempt it
Love both of these dudes. They kick so much ass.
love both of them.
Two of my heroes in one room
This is what mutual respect looks like. Awesome capture boys
Haake and hoglan together!? Universe exploded
Either drummer increases and enriches any music they are a part of. Anything I've heard either man be a part of has been not only pinnacle but signature. It's great seeing them coyly blow each other hahaha Mountain of stable, wonderful, and inspiring music from both men. And both are gentlemen. Never seen either act a fool, nor be smug, nor be a dick. Just absolute genuine guys.
Omg two of my influences. Speed and groove
I have to say, we didn't have RUclips, they didn't do close ups on drummers playing live in my day or their day, we had to figure out how our idols play that stuff the hard way, by trying and working at it for decades. Now kids can go on RUclips or the like and watch live footage of you guys and study the techniques we all had to just figure out ourself, so of course a 7 year old kid has learned how to play really well at such a young age!
the problem is, if they don't go through that trial and error, they miss out on a big thing: developing your own style and sound. it's too easy to copy today and that comes with a cost.
2 of my all time favourite drummers. Absolute beasts.
I met Haake a couple of weeks ago at a bar I sweden. Super chill dude, all respect to him
2 incredible legends. With incredible humility.
Thank fuck the tape was running! The most interesting part of the interview right there!
well, I usually record way more "beginning stuff" than I let you guys actually watch =D
Yeaaah!!! Thanks Drum Talk for the new video !! Appreciate the effort 🥁🔥
appretiate the comment!
A couple of the best drummers in history right here
two monsters of drumming!!! respect a lot!!
New videos, here we go! 🤘
These guys changed drumming so much
Gene hoglan part of my favourite death album and so many other bands i love, mans as versatile as a drummer can get.
Individual Thought Patterns is One of the Best Metal Albums Ever Created.
Crazy. One of Gene's biggest drumming demo songs "skeksis" and he says it's not technical and could be picked up in 10 lol. Respect all around.
He said Thomas could pick it up in 10 sec, not just any random dude you know
That song is hard. It sounds deceptively simple. its NOT.
@@LiquidSpartan117 big difference indeed
Wholesome. Love it
Two absolute legends!
Two of the GOATS right there!
They're both my heroes.
2 legends In 1
Greetings from Colombia 💯
Legends! Hoglan is so chill and wholesome
man i wish they can host a drumming podcast together lmao
the body language of tomas scratching his head when gene says we are all in awe is basically saying i can’t believe YOU are saying this to me
Gene Hoglan - The Swiss Army knife of metal drumming.
As far as a 7-year-old kid being able to play Bleed on drums, anybody can take out a piece of tracing paper and Trace out a piece of art. But it's the artist that creates it that is the master!!!
Nope I saw the video they were talking about. The kid freaking Nails it
@@nathanwalsh3028 he didn't he was slightly off on some of the changes of the song and missed a few hertas here and there and the sound wasn't clear but nonetheless still phenomenal for a kid! He is a Filipino by the name of momo de monster you can find this channel here. He's had several covers, one at 7, 8 and 12 I believe
That's the thing, creating your own music. It kinda sucks and you are "never satisfied" like Haake said. Playing covers is way easier, just copy.
Exactly and each time it gets traced it loses its sense of value.
Has he ever recorded another song beside Bleed? That's all I ever hear people talking about with him.
Is the Jason Popson project he’s talking about Pitch Black Forecast? I wonder if the song would have gotten as popular had it been their song?
THE two Titans of the Monster Verse of Metal sitting side by side Godzilla ( Haake ) and King Kong ( Hoglan ) two *LEGENDS* of the Genre we metal heads have been blessed.
Two legends! The rest of us are just taking notes 📝
damn, they got 95% of all the raw drumming talent in one room, legendary
this is fucking awesome seeing these two together
I cannot do hertas on my feet, I actually had to change how I play drums. So anyone who pulls off hertas with their feet, my hats off! Freaking two of my favorite drummers on the same podcast, and seeing how much they praise each other! The feels are real!
I've been learning this beat for months and can do it for about 30 seconds before my brain gets mixed up lol I posted a learning fail short on my channel
Love these guys
200 drummers’ worth of talent in 2 guys
The fathers of modern metal drumming.
Two MASSIVE legends
Epic
2:30 the humbleness of Gene
this two guys are the best drummers of the world AND! there a calm and nice persons either!
Two Legends !😎😎
Just a couple of freaking timing titans, right there! 🤘❤️
Hearing Haake say it took a loooong time to learn bleed, gives me hope.
Damn the talent in that tour bus
Two great drummers
Heartwarming!
One of the great achievments in metal imo
Never heard of this tribute. Gotta find it immediately. Thomas, Gene and Sean are 3 of my absolute favourite metal drummers. Was lucky enough to see Sean live at my very first metal show on Death's "Human" tour in '92 amazing drummer.
Found the show on this guy's channel a couple of years ago. He literally has thousands of full concerts from the 90's. Not a single phone to be seen. Just a bunch of kids going crazy to their favourite bands. Good times. ruclips.net/video/-aURoGenncQ/видео.html
Oh, thanks for that, bro.
lol at complaining about people filming a concert right after you got excited that someone filmed the concert you were at...
@@spellman007 yeah one guy you moron. Not a bunch of wankers standing in the middle of the crowd. Ive been to this venue at least 50 times during the 90's and they would have one guy, filming from behind the crowd from a landing over the bar.
Really cool to see this