Tomas Haake (Meshuggah) - drumtalk [episode 50]
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- So here's my jubilee [episode] no 50!!!
Tomas was the first person I ever interviewed long before drumtalk back in 2008. So I just wanted to have the chance to do another and better episode with him than [episode 5]. So here you have the definitive Tomas Haake video!!!
Since there are no live segments this time due to technical reasons I had to come up with something else and oh boy -- it turned out way better than the usual live stuff. BON APPETITO!!!!
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"Not interested in technicality" says the most technical drummer of our age.
When you're at such a high level you don't even understand the basics anymore.
I wouldn't call him that but he's definitely technical and definitely was uniquely technical waaay before his time. You never really get too much out of him talking personally about his drumming. He's either super modest, doesn't realize how awesome he is, or just doesn't care to elaborate or talk too much/highly of himself.
He’s not even close to the most technical drummer in the world. Go research a guy named Virgil Donati.
@@guyjeffrey3999 gil Sharone is pretty good too. 👍
@@guyjeffrey3999 or Marco Minnemann, or Thomas Lang, or Elliot Hoffman, or Dave Weckl, or........ :) So yeah, Thomas is great, but faaar from "the most technical drummer of our age".
Tomas Haake cooking, chopping beets no less. My life is complete.
Sweet beets brah
Until I saw this comment, I'd never pondered the best comment on RUclips.
some say he chops beets like brrda brrda brrda brrda brrda brrda
@@danielt3855 bleed from meshuggah! is what i always yell to cover bands
The intro for the interview!! 😂😂
This video is nothing less than a spiritual experience.
because Tomas speaks so ... relaxing? :-)
@@drumtalkofficial obviously, but mostly how he gives insight to his style and mindset.
Not for a single second he makes it look like he is some sorta genius or a God among men (that he surely is), and gives such a humble outlook.
@@drumtalkofficial no because how horrid of an interviewer you are :D, just kidding of course!
"I listen to Tool and I don't really understand them sometimes." Woah, hold it right there buddy!! 😂😂
Ikr 😂😂 But I get what he's saying. Both bands really respect each others style of music.
He’s not lying. Of course he could sit there and figure out what’s going on...any musician of reasonable skill/knowledge could. But that doesn’t mean you have to. Sometimes it’s better when you don’t. I’ve heard Learning to Live by Dream Theater probably a hundred times but I never sat down and plotted out that ridiculous, ever-changing second verse...why? Because it’s not necessary. It sounds killer either way.
@@manifestgtr that part of learning to live is more confusing than the dance of eternity, on drums
@@woodenhoe
Lol for sure...so much barline hopping....
That's because Danny Carey is on an entirely different level.
Interviewer asks great questions, and lets the guy SPEAK.
Tomas seems approachable, humble, honest, fun to listen to, either way he expresses himself.
Also, next time, I need to be invited in that kitchen :-P
thanks Ben! and yes to all, a really funny gentlemen. Kitchen should be fine, but be in the know that being there means being there until the very end... which is pretty blurry hahahaha
@kalle kanin yea when i played a fest with em he was totally cold. marten hagstrom hung out with me for like an hour talking about music and life and stuff
He acts like he's not a robot but I'm not buying it.
Meeting heroes can be dangerous but seems like great dude. Amazed his legs arent like telephonepoles though
He's a helicopter
Thats exactly how a robot would act.
@@trash_bender420 with oaktrees as rotor blades
my guess is that Meshuggah are actually the ones responsible for inventing AI, so...
This guy recorded and mastered Bleed live.. and yet he is still this humble and focused. This, kids is something to take note of!
Bleed's music is Fredrik's composition. Haake wrote the lyrics. You are correct about the rest though.
@@Consural Thanks man! I corrected it
@@brandonaitchison3747 Tomas learned how to play some crazy patterns that he didn't even write, so he had no idea how to play it or how the song goes at first. He perfected it with about 6 months of practice. I think that's even more insane.
@@Consural Thats absolutely insane.
Typical down to earth nortern swede
the solo section from Straws Pulled at Random is 100%heart
of course everyone thought of that
Absolutely
......lml
The one in sublevels too!
reminds me of being on the beach.
It's impossible not to love this guy
When he speaks English, he could just pass as some random dude in North America. Almost no discernable accent or anything. You'd never know he was from Sweden.
I was thinking the same thing, when I hear the dudes from carcass or at the gates they have accents but not this dude
People from northern Sweden tend to speak a lot "flatter" than southerners and therefore have weaker accents. At the Gates are from Gothenburg, and Gothenburg has possibly the most discernible accent in the entire country
Those northern scandinavians speak like southern americans. They chop the ends off words.
@Dalle Smalhals That's brutal :-D
Like his drumming, he is better at mastering American English than most. You can hear the accent but he's got American down better than a lot of Americans.
"I'm impressed by technique, but I'm not moved by it. I want to be moved." is a wonderful quote from Gavin Harrison, who actually has a very similar attitude as Tomas, now that I think about it.
What a great interview.
Very relatable quote I feel. It’s one thing to be fast and play difficult songs but an entirely different thing to support the band and present something unique and original.
What a fantastic interview! The cooking sections broke up the questions nicely and felt natural, the questions themselves were thoughtful, and the video/audio quality is crisp and clear.
howdy Big B.! Thanks for the compliments, very much appretiated!
@@drumtalkofficialof course! Thanks for the interview. I’m just getting into meshuggah, and I’m quickly becoming a fan of Tomas Haake. Such a cool, down to earth guy
Dude's mind is drifting off to fishing while playing at that level performing live
I know, right?! Further proof of him being a highly self-aware computer!
Super badass that he's a dedicated fisherman too!
No he is doing complex division
@@chrislizardi2 He's calculating the radius of the earth
I was introduced to Meshuggah 2 years ago by a Baltimore jazz pianist. I’m a through and through jazz guy and am fascinated with Tomas and Meshuggah. Musicality as his touchstone made perfect sense and is plain to hear. Thank you for this terrific human interview.
Do you listen to any other metal bands other than Meshuggah ?
This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen on RUclips. Some of those questions I wouldn't have come up with in a million years, but they were so insightful. It makes such a nice change to see an actual discussion with Tomas, one of the best drummers around today, and hear how he thinks. and not asked the same old 'what's with the djent thing' or 'why are you so slow at writing albums', 'you guys don't practice together?'
holy moly Mortarion, thank you very much!
you're totally right -- you just shouldn't be that guy wasting everyone's time (Tomas', my own and the audience's time that is) with things that have been said before. when you ask the same question all over again you most likely get a 'pre-scripted' answer that has no thought process behind it. Why bother to set up cameras, lights and what have you when you basically can just reupload the video that already has all the answers to your 'questions' ? =D
The Rex Brown interview with icons is also a very good interview. This one and that one are my favorite two.
Tomas: when I joined the band there weren’t many drummers doing that kind of metal...they had “to do” with me and make it work...
Ends up being one of the greatest metal drummers of all time
I gather that's part of the reason why he became so great. He was doing his own thing and not just conforming to a certain style based on pre-conceived idea's of what he "ought" to sound like.
Funny also that he mentioned Tool as their drummer joined the band in the same way- lack of other drummers available so they had to make do with the guy running the rehearsal space / ends up being Danny Carey
I'm a guitarist that is obsessed with drums. This is probably my new favorite RUclips channel. This man has been one of my favorites since Chaosphere came out.
yo Zakki! welcome to my chat show =D
and yesss -- Chaosphere is the shit!!
What a fun guy to talk to. One of the best interviews.
I don't really wanna drop so many snickers all the time but actually that's more or less the usual when I meet Tomas
Since Tom Araya is out.. I vote for Tomas being the new Metal Santa!
This.
He states a very important point that's scientifically proven: With enough amount of training just about anyone can reach elite standard level in any field of skill. It's more about being motivated to put all that work in than having the "gift". (That said, the "gift" of persistent endurance would then be the most valuable of all)
I am a passionate believer in this. If the concept of talent were more ingrained into humanity's psyches, it would induce only a sense of utter hopelessness and futility, and no one would pursue anything anymore. Humanity would regress all the way into a caveman civilisation because no one is immediately a master of anything, and nobody is perfect, which is what the concept implies.
I agree with your statement, however, certain people simply stand out because they have been blessed with a "gift" IMHO.. the creative side of musicians like Tomas is definitely a "gift"
Eddie Van Halen once said that musical ideas were given to him, they just appeared in his brain from nothingness.. they were given to him from "God" or some higher power
He definitely had a gift, which he shared with the world
@@SXI96 Only true once a skill 'clicks' after having practiced/trained for a very long time. There comes a time in working on any skill where you graduate from 'trying' to 'vibing', which indicates crossing the threshold into proficiency of a skill.
There is no talent, there is only skill which is built only with hard work and patience with yourself. It's true for the people in reference, true for yourself, and true for me too.
Offer yourself that grace and mercy by removing the concept of talent from your belief system, and you'll remove the blocks of resistance and feeling inept because you can't play Bleed in your first week of learning drums, for example.
@@anfie2495 Creativity is a very mysterious thing to me, some people are able to create incredible things that appeal to others, music is one example... a lot of these creative ideas are "given" to certain people IMHO
Some people are destined to stand out, they are destined for greatness, I'm not being pessimistic, but realistic
Hard work and dedication are very important in life, but there are so many other factors that go into reaching the level of success and creativity that Tomas has
There are elements of luck, being in the right place, meeting the right people, and destiny.. for example Tomas said that he and the others "fell into" this band and just kept doing it, most in the band have no formal training or schooling, it was destiny that brought them together to create music, which so many people around the world love
I believe many people are born with certain interests embedded in their brains.. some gravitate towards arts, music, sports, science, math.. etc.
I know that I didn't choose to play music, it chose me at a young age.. that interest was embedded in my brain as a child, I have no formal training, but am able to play well
I was incredibly passionate about music in my teens, but God had other plans for my life, I know my purpose in life now and just trying to do the very best with what I've been given
Yes I love this, but arguably, the ""gift"" IS to be motivated every day to get better. Its easier said than done to be dedicated, but yeah there's not god given talent, saying shit like that just discredits all the work musicians put into their craft.
Best English speaking Swede in the world - as well as one of the best drummers.
How can I love Tomas Haake more than I already do?
Tomas's humility totally understates what a talented musician he really is. When you hear the drums soloed in a Meshuggah track, the groove is undeniable and rare for an extreme metal band. I always enjoy listening to interviews with Tomas and this one was both entertaining and informative with some great questions being asked. Tomas comes across as a warm, funny and genuinely friendly guy. Thanks for the interview.
you're welcome!
I love Meshuggah. One of my faves. I became a fan 20 years ago after hearing Adam Jones of Tool sing their praises. They remain one of the most original bands and Mr. Tomas Haake is the f'n shit.
This man is so humble and honest. This is the contrast between bands like meshuggah and mainstream rap / pop artists.
On the surface you see bad (metal) and good (mainstream), but what’s hidden only those with a brain can see, the truth is the absolute opposite.
Unless it's Euronymous from Mayhem; then it's still bad 😂.
Tomas Haake: God of Rhythm, and of cooking.
Those 36:19 went so fast...thank you so much for this amazing video!
what a nice compliment, thank you so much Lisa
i cannot wait for the next meshuggah album
Same
How did you like Immutable?
Tomas Haake isn't sitting for the interview, he is levitating
Hands down the best Meshuggah interview I've come across in 20 years.
i simply cannot believe he’s not formally trained! On so many levels with the thought process & figuring out how to do certain things behind the kit, he & i are the same, although i’m nowhere near as good as he is. Gives me hope though! lol bc he’s probably at the top of my drummer icons. Stunning player. Saw them in ‘98 with Slayer, on the Chaosphere tour. Hooked since then. Haake’d, even. 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤣🤣🤣 Great interview!
Dwayne Barksdale I also came out to one of those shows in 98, me and my friends were the only people going crazy when they started playing. Everyone was like wtf! I remember the hockey jerseys they used to wear back then. 🤣 I think ‘sick of it all’ also played on that tour. Boring af😂
a candid interview with a truly genuine & lovely human. he's always honest & sincerely humble. what an incredible musician, into the bargain...
Sir Tomas of the Haakes of O'vik, ... we salute you 🖖🏼
It is always a pleasure to listen to what mr. Haake have to say about drumming, ideas, time measures, ...
Thank you for this amazing video!
Mister Haake behaves like a perfect Djentelman.
great questions, great editing, great guest
great comment binary buddy!
I knew he would be, but his calmness is inspiring.
For real though, its something we should all apply in our daily lives 🤘
Ja, ist Tommy from Malesugar! Super!
Tomas Haake = absolute class act
Thanx for the fantastic interview
I discovered Meshuggah when they opened for Clawfinger back in 1996. It was just brilliant.. from second first to second last! Such brilliant stuff and the performance was spot on match! I am a fan since then.
Thank you, Philipp, for yet another amazing interview!
All the insights are sooo great, the questions are great and Tomas is a legend for sure. So humble and friendly. And funny)))
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yeah man, I was really diggin' that talk we did. Tomas is a sweetheart
An interview with a metal drummer and Allan Holdsworth's name comes up. Damn, that guy was something else.
This video is great at transcribing Tomas' general vibe. Very relaxing to watch, smooth transitions, and those cooking bits are a treat (and come with a perfect choice of a background music)
thanks a bunch for the nice words! I put in some extra work to make this a special 50th episode and I'm really glad it payed off
Great video! I'm a drummer and a Meshuggah fan since Destroy Erase Improve. But I think I would just like to hang out and not even talk drums with him, but maybe just go fishing. I'd probably actually be more interested in his lyrics if we talked music at all. Thanks for all the years of great music
same here to all the above. but since it's not called fish-babble....
🤣🐟 just me personally. I love drum videos...but you should definitely do a "fish babble" with Tomas. Lmao
Meshuggah are not more repetitive in their formulas than any other rock/metal band. It's just that their weird patterns when repeated feel so machine-like. But there are still lots of progressions and changes in their music.
agreed. some band's drummers are even more repetitive since they use practically only variations of skank beat/blast beat patterns throughout their songs. But Haake's kick drum cycles, in an isolated view, make the repetitiveness more evident for me. Of course they feel differently when played in context of a groove. But it is still something I wanted to talk about -- whereas some bands use those ideas as a gimmick, it is a huge part of Meshuggah's musical concept (by far not the only one for sure).
@@drumtalkofficial Ok I see what you meant, for sure the way the band hammers on and on some riifs/patterns is a part of their very specific identity, and that's why they're the only "djent" band I can listen too, because they go for it 100%, without ANY melodic/pop ingredient to "lighten" their sound. They're crazy amazing. Crazy AND amazing ;) But what I like very much in their music is the way Thomas, or sometimes the riffers or the singer, slightly shifts his pattern to create a movement or "just" spice the formula. I respect them and him of course so much. Thanks for this itw by the way, as always. I just wish you'll do Mario Duplantier soon!
did an episode with Mario 2 years ago. let's just say that there are some issues I have to wait for until I can release it
Master of your craft, greatest of all times, the human metronome incarnate!! Thomas Haak, you are an inspiration to all would-be drummers!!!
"there are so many technical drummers better than me"
couldn't be more swedish
Vic t-shirt!!!!! I know Victor is a huge fan of yours Tomas, so you wearing his shirt is probably one of the greatest compliments he could ever get.
Fantastic interview with Tomas, and the production quality is through the roof!
thank you so much buddy!
He is cool as shit. So talented, yet so humble.
Broke my fingers playing bleed on bass . N didn't realize til next day. These cats are awesome respect. Speed n precision in their songs is immaculate
"We had to be metal." Yes!
I could hear him talk all day, such a humble man. Great interview, too.
22:39 How is this possible? I can't imagine someone getting on this technical level, by just rehearsing with the band. Heared him speak for the first time, He is a really calm and symapthic person. Nice interview!
"I never really knew how to practice drums...." He is a cyborg from the future.
Probably my favorite drummer of all time. The guy is just spectacular.
Thomas seems like such a kind, insightful, and deep person in-spite of the incredibly "heavy" music he writes and plays. I imagine he has a great deal of worldly wisdom and unique way of viewing life which must be why he is such a profoundly wonderful musician.
Apparently he is one of the humblest "greats" to sit behind the kit.
I never thought that I would have so much in common with Haake, this was truly a surprise and for sure one of the best episodes ever! Trully inspiring musician, not just in drumming but also way of thinking ! :) And also, the man that wrote Clockworks drumming saying what he said about his own knowledge, god damn
Thank you so much for this interview. Truly a pleasure to watch. Also, major kudos for having Mind's Mirrors play in the background of the kitchen scenes.
ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Tomas Haake aka your favorite drummer's favorite drummer.
Great Interview! Thats exactly how I like an interview to be conducted! Thank you!
I appreciate this man's sentiments so much. I know what it's like to be a drummer and you just wanna be left alone in the back. You are constantly listening to all the other players, trying to make sure everybody is together and on point, and you don't want to mess anything up in the process.
Living legend and pioneer of modern metal drumming. Seen Meshuggah live 7 times- always superb \\m//
Unique drumer !!
Hes 50% alien 50% human !
25% atomic metronome
Fantastic film, thank you
Absolutely agree. A lot of technical drummers are fun to watch.. for about 3-5 minutes. Then it's like.. OK I get it.. You've practiced a shit ton. I mean there's nothing wrong with having the chops, for certain songs you may need them. Just don't rely on them. Invent something with purpose for the song. Once again awesome job!
For his technicality he plays with incredible taste and musicality
WOW. And Halleluja. Nothing but LOVE. Straight to your hearts.
As you know, I love this channel (your drumming interview videos are easily the deepest, classiest, and most soulful on RUclips), but this one reaches yet another level. You've really hit it out of the park. Worthy of many repeat viewings. Thanks, as always!
really really thank you Seth -- I'm never really sure how good or bad the different episodes are for the drum community -- tunnel vision I guess. But I can definitely say that this episode right here was one of the if not the most effortful on the channel so far (and I hope it stays that way hahaha)
Love from Chicago
thank you for representing
you inspire the drummers of music city, midwest !
Great interview, great editing, great guys! This made me love Tomas more than I already did. Been a fan since I first heard Rational Gaze and Straws way back in 2002, and I've loved everything they put out.
Favorite part was the choice to use Futile Bread Machine during the fishing b-roll. Hilarious!
thanks bud! this is what I wanna achieve: giving you an impression how my guest really are when you meet them. extra thanks for being the 1st to give props to the Futile Bread Machine easter egg =D
@@drumtalkofficial whenever I listen to that EP, I absolutely rock out to Mayhem Version, and sing along as goofily as I can to Campfire Version! It's just too damn funny!
I would never have guessed that Tomas felt this way about his playing. Great interview. Wholesome. I like it. Thumbs up.
The man that changed everything....
Tomas seems like such an amazing person, thanks for the interview top notch stuff 🤘
thx man! and YES, Tomas is a great fella
I love this guy! Great interview, by the way...
thanks Raph!!
Great guy and a great interview, nicely done!
This is why This Man is my favourite drummer.
Hilarious to think, on a nightly basis, he can basically play complex herta patterns with his feet for 10 mins straight - and still finds it hard to keep his mind from "just...goin' other places," while his body is just "kinda playing."
Drummers are incredible creatures. Particularly Tomas.
haha, not sure though if Bleed is one of those songs when Tomas thinks of fish....
@@drumtalkofficial - I can't fathom it either! But for some reason I'm not ruling it out.
I just asked him: "Yes. Fish."
but I wouldn't give a penny for that reply's legitimacy.... =D
Really interesting how he’s not proficient in theory, I thought he’d notate all his stuff as he seems that kind of guy. How on earth does he remember and construct his parts?! Wow. Unbelievable. This is a really great interview, well done.
Always a pleasure to watch your interviews, man!!! If you ever get a chance to interview Vinnie Colaiuta, I'll be spilling over with joy!!!
thanks man! but are you kidding me? I want him so badly in my show for years...
@@drumtalkofficial Have you tried reaching out? I mean.. you obviously have, but did you get to actually talk to him?
contacted him several times but not in person unfortunately. plus he ain't around that often in my region. but I keep trying...
I see Tomas haake I watch. I can listen to him talk all day and there’s still not a lot of him out on the Internet he does seem to keep to himself a lot.
illlanoize... as in Illinois? If so, do you recognize his t-shirt?
Easily my favorite DT episode, thanks for the great content. Please tell Tomas to convince the other guys to play live The Demon's Name Is Surveillance or Our Rage Won't Die!
I'm pretty sure they ofte include The Demon in their set. I asked him whether thay will play Elastic ever again since it's one of my all time favourites. he threw it in the band chat but the others were like "meh..."
hahaha, damn!
@@drumtalkofficial Another one: Concatenation live would be absolutely brutal, but I guess Jens is now more conservative with the setlists in order to take care of his throat. I read somewhere that they won't play The Demon's Name because it's complicated to the other guys to keep the pace of the song (one single mistake with those triplets and goodbye).
He mentions Holy Moses as an early influence of the band, wow! Finished With the Dogs and The New Machine of Liechtenstein are such amazing albums! Thrash with just a slight progressive touch. Loved it, and still do.
Tbh I could listen to tomas talk about spoons for an hour straight and not get tired of him talking
He's so mesmerizing when he speaks.. just wanna chek out a little bit, ending up watching the hole video
Me too.👍
Just discovered this channel! Great video! Thank you for sharing!
Met Tomas at a bar in red hook. What a down to earth person,
this was an epic drum talk with Tomas Haake
thank you so much Rashid!!
I love drumming. The first time I played was with a group of 50 drummers and percussionists in a spontaneous jam and I was hooked.
Love his playing, but man, his sense of humor too🤘😄
If I was your son, i would still suck at drums, but you sure as shit changed my life sir. Thank you Tomas.
I think it is WHEN you dont understand the music But you are still grooving to it. Then it is the best!
great interview with one of the all time masters. I feel that playing those tunes can be a type of meditation for him.
Thomas is such a great person and an amazing drummer. Probably one of the best i ever saw in my life.
I put Danny from Tool on the same category.
Both are mezmerizing
When it gets to rhythm, Tomas Haake speaks a ton and you only understand an ounce, "Gifted people can't explain"
Great interview with a great man! Thank you for this!
thanks man
Wow! He mentioned the greatest living drummer, Sebastian Thomson from Trans Am! Mightily impressed that Thomas knows of him.
If I ever get the chance to meet Mr. Haake in person and he's not in a black and white filter, it'd be really hard to process visually. Seems like the go to filter when interviewing him. I've gotten so used to seeing him without color it would throw me off. lol
So after watching this video, I'm a bit more interested in hearing the warmer parts in Meshuggah he's been talking about amidst the usual cold stuff, and also, hungry.
Cold music.... it really is. It’s great music to listen to when u just don’t want the heart stuff. Just technical cold mechanical music baby!