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When was the last time you were in a semi truck, my kenworth rides like a dream.
No... your air seat and air cab ride like a dream lol
Damn, i leveled my truck first but didnt realize i was supposed to watch the vid first so i guess ill go take it off watch the vid then put it back on. Wish me luck
You always watch the video first Bill. Don’t be a goof.
Lmao!
You have made my mind up completely
Springs extended shocks for the front heavy duty sway bar
Great vid broken down to finally understand been waiting for this
I did the supreme suspensions 2.5” leveling kit on my 2011 Silverado. It came with front spacers, and rear blocks. I put new rear shocks on the rear when i did it, dropped my sway bar, and have had 0 issues with it. My truck rides as well if not better than when I bought it.
I just bought the Bilstein B8 5162 leveling kit. Comes with new coils and shocks. Its a great improvement in ride
I have a 3 inch spacer and all you need is a spacer for you cv joints and it will not effect your ride at all. 2 years later and still good.
I leveled my ram and couldn't be happier
No. A sway bar does not have a counteracting affect on the opposite wheel. A sway bar ("anti-sway bar") will keep the sprung weight on the same level plane as the unsprung weight. Thus, whenever one side wheel raises up, the opposite side will have a downward pulling force to attempt to keep the body from rolling over. The way it's described here, whenever you turn, the truck will attempt to lean even further into the turn, listing the sprung weight to the outside of the turn. That ". . . downward force on the opposite wheel. . ." is exactly what you DO NOT want, and is the reason for the stiffness of the OEM bar. The OEM Anti-sway bar is made to safely operate at the extremes, i.e. heaviest diesel engine, with maximum payload, pulling the maximum trailer weight, with application of brakes, at maximum turn angle, at a DOT extrapolated algorithm for maximum speeds for turns. That's why it's "too stiff" for many people; they're not trying to perform an accident avoidance maneuver while pulling a 31,000lb gooseneck. Any alteration compromises the truck's ability to perform at it's extremes. That being said, heck yeah I agree that my RAM anti-sway bay is too stiff, too. Also, "death wobble" comes from improper caster and Akerman angle. Loose componentry and/or improperly dampened steering and/or bending caused by high stress on steering pieces exacerbates the issue, but it doesn't cause it.
damn... srry
Luke Edward I'm trying to figure out what exactly causes death wobble on my 10 mega cab
I came here to point out the Sway bar snafu. I hate when people explain something wrong ....
I did Bilstein 5100's to level my Ram 1500, couldn't be happier!
+Bob Bauman good that's awesome
Same.
I did a 2'5 on my 13 ram 2wd and I'm looking for suggestions on shocks? Help me out!
did you find anything?? I'm looking at leveling my 2014 ram 1500 2wd but everything i find is for a 4wd
@@stephenzetts1839 same!!! Did you find anything?
I don’t know bout you but my 06’ 3500 5.9l quad 4x4 came factory with 2 inch leveling spacers in the front! And to get rid of the wabble you need to upgrade to the t-track arm and the the y cause there is a ton of play in the pre 2009 y track bar setup along with the stabilizer so little bit more to it! The best you can afford is a great answer!
Explained some of the stuff incorrectly but the effort was made and that counts too, good job trying to explain as best you could not everyone can engineer and and play out in their mind how some things work
This was all explained to me when I went to level the truck .. luckily after talking to the owner of the shop he convinced me into the tuff country 3in lift. It is inexpensive roughly $300. Comes with 3in spacers for the front. 1in for the rear coils. But this kit comes with s drop pitman arm and track bar relocation bracket. Problems solved hopefully will more than likely post a video
Maybe I just got lucky... I installed one of those cheap $96 Daystar 2" spacers on the front to take the rake out had an alignment done and here it is 3 years and 33,000 miles later with no issues at all. My tires still look brand new and my truck still drives like nothing was ever done to it. I did it for appearance reasons and so I can slide under it easier for maintenance purposes. I'm sure if I went off roading with it I would have a different story to tell.
Thank you for all the information. You are quite knowledgeable. I was going to do the basic leveling kit. Not now. I’ll look at better options.
I have no clue who did the 2.5in level lift on my 16 2500 Cummins but it is under factory warranty thru Bill Luke Chrysler 120k powertrain 10 yr bumper to bumper. Looks great 20 in fuel rims also warrantied. Great video Jay. I do not think my ride quality is good atm so this video answers alot. I'm used to Ford suspensions and old 78 4x4 suburban I once had lol .
ive got spacers, had them for 6 months, no problems, ride quality is the same too.
+Gregg Turner best of luck with those 😂😂
A lot of people hatin on here. Dude has spent the money and obvious time for the beat kit that he felt appropriate.
Great video bro. Keep em going.
He was probably sponsored... that being said, he is gonna push like hell to sell their stuff.
Woe thanks for the video I'm in the process of leveling my ram 1500 but wasnt sure what to go with I literally was thinking of getting those pucks but now that I know a little more I think I'll go with the springs thanks bro saved my truck for real!!!
I have a 2014 ram 2500 powerstroke with a level kit with 29x3s on 48s and it rides great but when I turn it tries to flip because of the sway bar, which makes body roll even more according to you.😂
I wish I would have watched this before I 2.5” spacer leveled my ‘19 3500 ram. It’s primarily a work truck. A lot of towing and plow it in the winter. I want a solid kit, front and back. I was looking at carli but thought 2-3k, yeah I can afford it but I don’t need all that extra s tuff. But here, thinking about what your saying, I may just go ahead and remove this steel 2.5” front kit, and lean towards a kit that does front and back from carli or the like. Spent $80 on the kit and like $200 to install. But I’m not so sure this is ideal for my use cases. Can you weigh in Jay?
this video is the bane of my existence
Damn you're smart. Stock it is until I need to upgrade
Changing every bulb to led was honestly the best thing i did 😂
if you buy the right one its a game changer
Great explanations for a guy like me that has no idea.
@4:30 only if you have a solid axle
I have a 2014 Ram 2500HD Duramax 2wd has a 14inch lift with a 4 inch body 44x13.50R22 American Force wheels rides great does well in the mud and snow i had a 2008Ram 1500 4x4 megacab was really bad of road thats with 4x4 and i got it new had a 8 inch lift on 38x14.50R16 nittos mts
Thanks for the video, you completely changed my mind set.
Argelio Silveira changed mind also
Sorry guy. Stopped listening when you talked about how a sway bar works. If you don’t have to basic concept on how that works, you don’t have a clue about anything else.
Bruce Aunkst my point exactly
I use rough country 1.75’. Spacer On front , on my 2016 Toyota Tundra , I should don’t damage anything on my truck right?
@@vrviktor55Should be no problem. A minor lift like that shouldn't cause any problem.
Dang and to think i was about to level my new 17 f-150. Ill just save and buy the higher end 4" Good advice thanks bro.
Yes I agree. Never uses spacers. just save the cash for coil-overs or coils
The only thing that matters is HCAs... Spacer or coil if you don't get HCAs geometry is screwed....
Ive always ran the cheap spacer...not happy with them either...but I'm buying a new truck now and after watching this i see your point for sure...but at the same time now I'm thinking damn...thats a lot of $$$ for 2-2.5 inches!!!! Lol I believe I'll just stay stock with a slightly bigger tire...love the leveled look but not worth all that $$ to me
I agree man! That's why I went with a thuren fabrication 2.5" overland leveling kit for my RAM 3500.
+Cumminsworking17 It's a great system and a great truck 😜
What you're saying at 4:11 is only right concerning solid front axle trucks ! Not right for control arms trucks....make a difference between the 2 sorts of suspension....
So with all that science and geometry ,what was the total cost.? Or what did all parts cost ? A video with a parts list would be cool.
+Jim Cash. It's here: ruclips.net/video/gYAlaypB6CY/видео.html just add $600 for the shocks.
Adding a spacer to level a truck will not hurt your suspension at all. It will not stress out your suspension or make your truck less safe. The stuff this guy talks about is when you go past the simple leveling and begin lifting.
Says the guy running a shitty $40 eBay spacer kit.
Jay Flat Out Nice for you to assume shit jackass. With every comment you make you look dumber. Keep it going Skippy. Lmao
I agree, a 2 inch level up front should have no impact on anything. Now when you go past that is when the trouble starts. I went to 5" and had some issues. Then went to 7" and it was a nightmare trying to get back to a smooth ride.
towboater781 lol my thoughts exactly. Look thru some of the other comments telling him he’s wrong as hell and explain why hes wrong and he doesn’t say a damn thing that’s why he pulled all that work he PAYED OTHER PEOPLE TO DO and probably put an up wards of $6,000.
towboater781 I totally disagree Ask a Dodge owner that has ever put spacers on their truck the ball joints just won't take it
My 96 ram 4x4 diesel. Has two in lift from spring spacer. Now how many years old? Zero problems works perfectly truck has gone off road half it's life.
Ive used the spacers in 6 trucks over the years never a problem stock ride.
So the best, basic and safest for something I don't drive a bunch is springs and shocks?
Hey Jay, been watching all your videos and ordered the Carli 2.5 level kit with track bar, sway bar, radius arms and steering stabilizer for a 2015 Ram 2500. Very excited to run all Carli and can't wait for the parts to get down here to Costa Rica. What size of rim and tire are you running? Why didn't you go with the Carli steering stabilizer?
+Michael White Congrats on the purchase! I have 18x9 wheels with a -12mm offset and 35" tires. I don't run a steering stabilizer because my truck runs straight and I don't need a stabilizer to compensate for a directional pull.
Jay Flat Out awesome, thanks for the reply and info - greatly appreciated and this build wouldn't have happened without your videos
@@JayFlatOut DUDE really!!! PLEASE learn about how parts actually work before you play keyboard warrior and spout a bunch of made up bull shit.... A steering stabilizer DOES NOT compensate for a directional pull!!!! It is there to dampen the forces from impact to one tire or the other from transferring directly to the steering wheel (basically stops the steering from being jerked out of your hands in an extreme scenario)... I realize this is a year ago but for EVERYONE who watches your vlogs sake DO SOME RESEARCH!!!
Man great post. But we must keep the truth out about this. Raising the front of your truck by spacer or coils has the exact same effect. Factory ride will NOT change using the spacers. The spring rate is the same no matter what. The very minor angle change in the control arms is no noticeable at all. Most kits come with shock extensions that match the spacer height. Your forward control arms being as long as they are. When you move the frame 2" up from the axle, the actual wheel base shortening is about 1/8". Hardly anything to look at or worry about. You are correct in the fact that the track bar which is non adjustable stock does move the axle over a minor amount. You do not just move the passenger wheel over on a solid axle truck. The track bar moves the entire frame over the axle and centers up the truck. This is causes the steering wheel to be offset a few degrees. This is corrected by adjusting the drag link about 1/2 - 3/4 turn of the adjusting link nut. Very easy to do. My leveling kit has giving no issues at all and tire wear is none. 65K from stock tires and 30K on new tires with no abnormal wear. A 2" leveling doe not in any way affect tire wear. Noting is done to the alignment of the wheels. As stated earlier the only alignment issue is the steering wheel offset.
scottgilly1 yep your right on. I’ve had several trucks with the spacers and never had my tires worn out or any problems that this guy claims. Jay does some great videos but his information on this one is wrong.
Yeah the 2inch level kit in the front is not doing anything bad to the truck. I’m getting one for my Sierra. Which one would Y’all recommend? RC or what
Hay man another great video can't wait to see what else you do but one quick question with those tires is your speedometer off or how about the final drive do you feel anything different
+Jorge Ramos No I went with a size that was close enough to factory spec so I didn't lose drivability. They are a Nitto Ridge Grappler 295x70R18 = 34.3"
The Only truck that seem to be ok with lifting spacers up to 2 1/2 if the 04-14 F150s. My old Z71 I just cranked up my torsion bars. My 97 Explore I'm trying to get lower so thats a who other monster.
Want to do a minor lift on my 08 F150. 3 inch in front and inch in back. That will give it a good stance.
+Adam Lemus yeah that stance makes every truck look just right.
Thank you I was going to buy the 2 1/2 spacers not now
Great information. Any issues with 35s rubbing with just a leveling kit?
Thanks
Ordered the 2.5” leveling pucks and thinking of just putting a 4” rough country and be done.
What leveling kit are you talking about bro, if you are talking about the one that just bolts on top of the strut assembly I can’t image the ride changing much. So I’m guessing you are talking about the compressed ones witch to me should stiffen the ride up front making it harder but I think the ones that bolts on top should be fine for a level look. So be more specific on what you are talking about.
Are you a professional mechanic?
I do hear you and agree with what you said. My problem is that, I have a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 Mega Cab. It is a half breed, and it is hard to find leveling and lift kits that will do what you explained in your video. If you have any suggestions, please let me know
+Dexter Russell what are you trying to achieve? And a 1500 mega cab?
Well I am trying to get a 3 inch leveling kit now and a 6 inch 4 inch or a 7 inch 4 inch luft kit later. But for now I just want yo level the front if my truck 3 inches. Yes it is a 1500 Mega Cab.
1500 Megacabs have 2500 suspension I do believe.
Your half ton has the same front springs as a 2500 with the 5.7 would have..... spacer or spring either way would work, depends on how much you want to spend. if you like your current ride go with spacers, if you want a modified ride there are many options for different rate springs just gotta do a little looking and calling around
Swaybars do not go opposite directions on each end. They take the load on the outside wheel in a turn and shares it with the inside wheel thus making the vehicle roll less in a turn. Has nothing to do with pot holes.
Wrong.
Would you be interested in meeting up tomorrow, at Parkway Tavern? 1200pm SNORR, Southern Nevada off road Recovery will be meeting there tomorrow. Look forward to meeting you.
I’m out of town for this one sorry!
Intersection . I have put leveling kits in all my trucks .. front axle stays in the same location. Rides and handles like stock .. just saying. And now doing a 6 inch on my 2020 dodge..
I mean it doesn’t but ok 😂
What do you recommend for a 2016 ram 1500 2wd? I just want to level the truck out but don’t want to sacrifice ride quality.
Can't you just lower the rear 2" to level it? And not mess with the front ends articulation.
Laby 70 yeah, lower it if you want a low rider, you raise the front end to level it , maybe put bigger tires on it, mine is a 2006 dodge Dakota, raised front 2.5 “ to level it for bigger tires!
Nice video I have a question for your expertise I have a 2017 ram 1500 big horn 4x4 5.7. I do a lot of highway driving and street commute only but the roads Massachusetts are treacherous for potholes I'm looking just to bring the front up to the rear (that's it )nothing crazy but I want to maintain the best factory ride tight steering no firm ridge ride .. can can you send me some links that would be helpful for components sway bar, shocks UCAs, tie rods etc that would help my ride any quality parts you know I want the best way I should level my truck money is not a issue I'll drop around 1500-2k but can't afford 2k a shock for kings lol thanks man .
If you got a 2.5 spacer and a Bilstein 0-2.5inch shock wouldn’t that help with ride quality because the shock is no longer than stock? Didn’t hear you mention this..
Thx I was thinking of adding a leveling kit 1" along with an airbag for when I tow with the ram. Maybe not.
Thanks for the video I was so close to just buying to basic leveling kit after seeing how cheap it was but now I’m definitely going with the coil leveling kit any advise for me I want to do 2.5 in level with not too big tires because I am also looking to put more power to it?
Ok thanks man have a good one
If I only put a 2.5” lift, do I need to add anything else? Should I wait and do it properly?
Good info man. But after driving a truck with a 6 inch lift and 35x12.50 for 12 years as a daily driver I am excited to drive a stock truck!! It’s cool when your young dumb and full of you know what. Eventually eating ball joints and wearing out front end parts gets really old. Of course the big tires sucking your power away gets old to unless you do a 4.56 gear ratio change. At 34 I am overjoyed with my stock 4x4 Ford 5.0! Tons of power, good gas mileage, no big tires to drag around. It’s great!! Getting old isn’t so bad after all and now I know why the old guys have the fastest trucks haha :)
JohnnyRebKy your in a Ford tho
Ha, I'm in the exact same boat as you. 34, drove a 7" lifted Dodge for years. Just got my new 17 and I am loving the ride difference. I would never do the big lift again, was fun when I was younger.
I just put big ko2’s on my 2016 Ram 1500 it looks sweet, I haven’t been off road yet with them. I also got a 2.5 inch rough country leveling kit and after watching this video I might not put it on. Any suggestions guys?
The logo is right side up? I put some caril springs and try putting on and the logo up and they seem to be upside down
So if I buy bilstein 5100 or 6112, extended strut, to level my rebel do I need anything else?
Wish you made video before I put coil spacers on my silverado. It rides like total crap and it makes noises that don't sound safe. Feel like stuff is going to break soon 😭😭😭 It made me hate my truck now
+Stompahz no too late to change. Nothing worse than driving something you hate
Ive got that shirt....lol "freedom isn't free" was my favorite shirt for a while, been through the ringer
Some asshole lifted mine with spacers. I bought the truck certified preowned one owner. I knew it looked higher than normal but I never really did much investigation because 4x4 trucks sit higher anyway. Now I'm trying to figure out what to do to get it done correctly.
So I have a 09 Ford Escape xlt and I have looked everywhere for a 2inch level kit spacer above 50-60 dollars and only found the air kit for the rear only for 100 and up so I have no choice but to go with the 50-60 dollar kit
So I am new to the leveling truck world. I want to do it the right way and get all the stuff your mentioning but I am having a hard time finding all of these components for Ram 1500. All I keep seing is 2500-3500. Could any of you give me a hand?
Here’s a link for the system for your truck. www.cjcoffroad.com/Carli-Dodge-Suspension-Ram-1500-4x4-s/2048.htm
The comuter 2.0 says it will lift the front 2” and the back 3/4”. Doesnt that defeat the purpose of a leveling kit?
Jay Flat Out can this system be "the end all be all" for leveling out the front? Or are other components required to insure proper functionality
I don't think that's how a sway bar works!
It is.
No. It's not. When one side takes a bump, it forces the other side up too. For example, when turning left in your Ram, it will cause the right side to "dip" (compressing the suspension). The antisway bar will cause the left to dip too, cause the entire front end to "glue to the road", reducing overall body roll. There isn't an "opposite" effect on the opposite side. I like your videos, but you've been wrong on this one in two videos. Not trying to pick, just trying to help you on this one. I'm in Vegas too, BTW - I appreciate your straight shooting about 4 wheel parts. That place sucks.
To be clear, I'm disagreeing with Jay here, not Doyle. Doyle is right.
I had no idea they made plastic spacers.
will the lift you suggested void the factory warranties?
Great fucken vid dude.
Either buying a 1500 or 2500 (can't decide... needs vs wants) and this helped A LOT!
+J. A. Glad it helped man thanks
Dude! Wear your seat belt...
+geno227200 I was sitting still
Got to be a good influence! Love your truck... Thank you very much for all the info also.
+geno227200 No problem bud glad you enjoyed it.
Dude! Your hat brim.....killing me.
What are you running on this truck in the vid? Suspension and tires? Thanks
Where can I get all the suggested components ? How much for all?
Any advice for a BDS 2inch coil over (2.5 dsc) leveling lift kit is it good enough or will I need a traction bar and sway bar new to this any tips I will appreciate it
I leveled my 17’ Ram 3 months ago with the crappy spacers...I’ve not done an alignment yet and I’ve noticed when driving up to 120km/hr the front shakes..am i still in time to get the alignment or would i have to replace parts and eventually cost me a fortune ?
Can you give me a parts list on the way you leveled your 2500. Going to do mine the right way . Thx
What would you say for a Ram owner who is willing to replace faulty air suspension?
Amen for that I have 2011 Tacoma and I want t level my 3 int front and 2 ind the back will 285-70-17 kos2 yeah I need to save thank for being Oni
So is there any good way (or good kits) to level an IFS truck, considering CV axles angles, tie rod angles, UCA angles, etc.? I have yet to hear of one. I've heard of some that have differential drop brackets, but the prices seemed really sketchy (around $100).
I enjoy most of your vids but you're spitting out a bit too much misinformation here. The strut spacers up to 2.5" will have no negative affect on any components assuming you have an alignment done post install.
It's not misinformation it's my opinion based on my life and experience with a multitude of different suspension setups.
Jay Flat Out Just because its your opinion doesn't make it true. In this case, your opinion regarding strut spacers is not based on facts. Keep up the great vids!
While I respect your opinion, it is simply your opinion. Thank you.
I did a 2'5 level on 13 ram 1500 2wd and I'm looking for suggestions on shocks what did you guys use?
+Keith Martinez I have the Fox 2.0
Great video
If you do not have a solid axle what good is spacers? Is a spring level better for geometry ? Doesn't a heavy-duty spring make more sense , front and rear. Note keeping towing capacity and longjevity?
They are a progressive rate coil
The poly spacers are fine, had mine on my truck for quite awhile and haven't had a problem.
I know the suspension components are different but do they sell a kit like this for a ram 1500? Or has anybody put together a kit like this for a 1500 ? I know the ram 1500 doesn't have a front solid axle so idk if a 2.5 inch spacer is good or does it need all the extra components.
I've been running spacers on my 14' RAM 1500 for a year now and I'm hearing alot of subtle squeaks now. Kinda nervous on what ima find when I get my truck on a lift and start inspecting😓😓
+Roy Reyes Its not too late to switch to coils
8k in upgrades and no bed liner.
Just bought a 2018 2500 big horn and planning to do the same thing,my question is this,if I level the truck with springs will the truck
Be level or will it sit a little lower in the rear like so many do with a leveling . Thank you in advance
If you get the full carli kit with the rear springs it will not, as you can see mine say a tiny bit lower in the rear because it was left on factory coils.
I do what I wan on my own trucks 1500, 2500, 3500 dually Dodge Ram
Just get to the point! And yeah you'd sick at making a movie about a simple lift
Con you tell me for the shocks springs and heavy duty sway bar a aprox price
I’m keeping my factory 20” rimes
Hey, can you send me link for what brand you recommend. Also can you make me recommended list to properly level a 2018 Ram 2500 Cummins crew cab long bed. Note, truck came with tradesman245/65 r17 and I put on laremi stock 285/60 R20 from Craigslist from a same truck had upgrade. Do you think this has affect on my truck since it did not come with those tires and rims but is made for that truck in higher trim. I have hard time believing they made body different at factory. Your thoughts?
Is there caster adjustment in the factory setup? Or do you need adjustable arms or replacement radius arm to restore caster? Mindful of when lifting Jeeps, anything over about 2.5" steers like it's on ice because the caster is way out. Only way to restore it is to use shitty drop brackets or put in adjustable (or long fixed length) control arms.
I got a .5 degree offset ball joint to achieve a perfect alignment
Jay Flat Out Thuren recommends a 0 degree Toe in; 4 caster. You want to be somewhere at those numbers.
That spot was off blue diamond in vegas huh?
No the north side off Ann
Hey bud help me out here, I'm looking to get the Rancho 2.5" quick lift strut assembly, would that be something you would recommend or would that also cause issues for me ?
So my truck already haas 1.5 inch spacers in the front but i'd like to raise it more to fit 10 wides. If i add 2 or 2.5 inch coil springs, what else would be suggested? New shocks? What else? Thanks
+KXRider027 What kind of truck?
So I have a 2wd 2007 dodge 2500 and I want to level it with the back what is everything I should get to do this without messing up my truck at all
Exactly what I was wondering. Have you done it yet? Sounds like I should at least get longer shocks but I don't see a kit anywhere that that offers them or the longer coils.
The best way to do a leveling kit for your style suspension would be to change the spindles.... the same goes for lowering.... Ride quality stays the same, shocks stay the same, and alignment properties do not change.... something like this... cstsuspension.com/ram-2500/107-lift-spindle-kit-2003-2008-ram-2500-2wd-8-lug.html
I have 2016 ram 1500.. I'm looking to level it with fox 2.0 coil overs and zone uca's. Would I be ok with this set up or should I upgrade some of the other components you mentioned? I would really appreciate anyone's input. Thanks
Have a 2017 ram 1500 what did you end up going with
That Carli sway bar looks very thin.