Hi Bill, UTC = Universal Time Coordinated 🙂. Mister Journe is an amazing person, known for his strong character, but recognised as one of the best watchmakers living actually. I was lucky enough to buy a Chronomètre Bleu from Paris boutique with no waiting list, the experience is second to none. Journe watches are above Patek in my opinion. I think the CB is popular for its blue dial, used also in the pièce unique. A great video topic. Thanks for sharing.
Yes DGB, that's right. So used to calling it Zulu Time from my flying days that I forgot its true name...🙄 So you have a 'Bleu!'-the thousand watches in one! Better than Patek Philippe? Well PP cranks out 50,000 per year and FPJ under 900 with a living watchmaker namesake-of course they are. That's why I differentiate between 'High Horology' and 'Exceptional Horology'- don't get me wrong PP has wonderful watches; FPJ as magnificent ones! Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, I think FPJ is a living legend, and his watches value will definitely increase in the future. The Resonance is my grail from FPJ, number 3 on my all-time grail list :D
How’s this for coincidence Bill. Just last week I pulled the trigger on an FPJ CS in platinum. Bought it in “unworn “ condition and should have it next week. I considered the red gold but decided to go with platinum as I think I’ll wear it more. Thanks again for all of your extremely informative videos. You’ve taught me a lot. Best wishes for a healthy and happy 2020!
Congratulations Jeffrey! As soon as I got mine, I got an extra FPJ band-one with a rubberized back so that I can wear it all the time and keep the original in prime shape for special occasions. Later, the manager of the NYC boutique, William who also has a CS in platinum, was wearing his with a 'Cognac' strap-beautiful strap with platinum. So I got one too, and it's like having an extra CS in my collection-the strap transforms the look of the watch. What a great way to kick off 2020! Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci Thanks Bill. My wife and I will be in Hong Kong in a few weeks and I’ll be sure to visit the FPJ Boutique during our stay. My new watch will have an unworn black gator band but I also like to have one or two options. I agree with you that’s it’s “almost” like having another watch. I imagine the platinum CS should shine in cognac and/or blue. Thanks again for advice. Regards, Jeff.
Hi Bill! So glad to see this piece on FP Journe and look forward to Sunday’s installment. It’s less than 5 years since I became engrossed in the world of watches and 3 since I found FP’s products. The man is truly amazing on many different levels combining a unique sense of style with outstanding engineering abilities makes him a modern day Rembrandt. When I first found the Resonance series, IU loved the concept but had no love for the dial. Sure the first series were elegant and beautiful, but I could not see the sense of putting 2 12 hour displays on there. The answer was the “digital” display that would show 24 hours. Never liked the look for that edition, but made more sense. I always said if he ever comes out with an analog 12 and 24 hour display, I would pony up the funds. Well, he did and I did! Couldn’t be happier with my new Resonance, but it is challenging to wind! Happy New Year! Rich
Hi Rich! Do you remove the 12 o'clock band when you wind and set your Resonance? The manager of the FPJ Boutique in NYC suggested I do so and for the last few years I've had my R (the first versions of the Chronomètre à Résonance were designated simply as 'R') I've always done that lest I bend the stem or crown. When I had it serviced and overhauled in 2017, the stem had to be replaced, and I think that the prior owner had bent it in the winding. It sounds like you got the 2019 version-a truly unique and rare one since FPJ said he was only going to have that version for one year. Mine, from 2002 keeps great synch and even after the charge is low, the second hands, minutes and hours are in perfect resonance. A great watch to own! I wonder what FPJ has in mind for his next Chronomètre à Résonance! Happy New Year and Decade, Bill
Hey Bill Yes I always remove the strap to wind the Resonance. Even so after a week of wear my fingers are killing me! It’s like winding a small razor! Given that I love the watch and especially appreciate the movement. It’s much different than the Armin Strom resonance which has an actual physical connection to get it to resonate. Truly a remarkable accomplishment!
I do respect FPJ himself a lot and I also totally agree he is the A.L. Breguet of our era. More than one time I've asked myself "Do I value and focus on hand-finishing too much?". Sure hand-finishing is one of the key difference between Haute Horlogerie and mass-produced good watches, but the innovations of mechanisms and functions shouldn't be less important at all. The Chronometre Optimum is also my favorite FPJ and at the top place of my grail list. The combination of constant power feed and friction-free escapement is theoretically perfect for chronometry. But one thing has bugged me a lot: why FPJ doesn't make a hacking system if chronometry is his major interest? By the way, as I know the waiting list of the Chronometre Bleu has been discarded by FPJ.
Leya, he does't include hacking for the same reason Patek Philippe doesn't; slamming the breaks on the balance wheel cannot be a good thing. My Lang & Heyne has hacking and I do worry about the stop-second mechanism. (I think all German watches have hacking-how could they not?) Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci I understand your concern, but I also believe there's a distinct contradiction between chronometry and non-hacking movement. Several Patek's new movements also have added hacking function. I think FPJ should find a new way to hack the movement, not just ignores this issue.
Hey Henry, thanks man! Hope you like Part 2 where both LineSport and Élégante are covered along with some other models that are 'over-the-moon.' Cheers, Bill
@WatchArtSci I am in dilemma and need your advice as I really respect your knowledge and opinion, I was able to get elegante 48 from AD and consider how these are skyrocketing in market price I am wondering if I should sell it at gray market price and by myself a mechanical Fp chronometer souvrin platinum like the the one you have instead to take advantage of the price difference what do you think ?
Hi Louis, right now is a rough time to buy any FP Journe because they are essentially sold out-the FP Journe Boutique in NYC told me they had sold out all of their 2022 stock! So look around, but be very, very careful. Fake and fraud abound. They've been selling for around $60,000 and more, but some are lower, but remember-if a deal is too good to be true ... it probably isn't. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, just wondering, but would you happen to know about how much the service cost for an FPJ CS would be? As someone interested in one day owning one, just wondering what I'm getting myself into. Thanks!
The basic service for a Chronomètre Souverain is about $1,800 (may have changed since 2017 when mine was done) The FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance was more by about $500±. I had both the service and overhaul for both of my FPJs since both were purchased pre-owned; so it was more. Expensive, Jade, but I think worth it to be done right. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Thank you for the transparency. I'm always on the fence between going pre-owned and saving a chunk of change or getting the boutique experience. I guess it all comes down the finding the right pre-owned seller. Thanks again.
Great video Bill. I really like F.P. Journe, his attention to detail is second to none. Unfortunately they are out of my range for the foreseeable future. Maybe one day.
Great video, Bill. The Optimum also has a double-direct impulse engine, similar - but different - to Breguet's original Natural Escapement. In addition, the Remontiore will cut-out with less then 20 hours of power or so. Also, it has a regular second on front and a dead-beat second on the case back, whilst the Tourbillon Souvrain has dead-beat only on the front.
Hey SouthNC thanks for that additional information about the Optimum. I discovered the Grönfeld Remontoir 1941, and while less expensive than the Optimum; still too high for my budget! I'll see if I can talk some watchmaker into making a remontoir we all can afford! Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci As I know the Gronefeld is already the most affordable watch with remontoire which ever appeared in the market. I'm also curious why it always costs a lot since the mechanism isn't that complicated.
Leya, it's an easy concept to understand but very difficult to create. In a conversation with Stephen Forsey, I asked about why more watchmakers didn't use remontoir d'egalite and that was what he said. Simple in concept is not always simple in execution. E=MC2 is an example. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Honestly I doubt that's the whole story... On the contrary to the modern mainspring and escapement system, how much advantage will a remontoire have? For me it's more like a tourbillon in wristwatch: interesting to view but with minimal function.
Leya, the same can be said for the tourbillon-but they're a dime a dozen. Accuracy in fine mechanical watches is really a side-show given that we can have near-perfect accuracy with a cheap quartz. The remontoir d'egalité is a brilliant concept and implementation, and until I find other wise, I'm going with Stephen Forsey's explanation. What I'd like you to do is to do some digging on your own to see what you can find out about remontoir d'egalité ... and figure out how we can get an affordable one! Do some real research and let me know what you find. Cheers, Bill
Bill, the graphic for the Resonance is a little misleading..... the photo is of the “2019 only” model and retail price is correct at $82.8.....but the reference to a listing on C24 at $52,000 just isn’t an apples to apples comparison. No way can you get a 2019 only Resonance for $52.0. Also, C24 has many CS listed for low to mid $20s which could have been a reference point early in the video when you discussed CSs. Looking forward to part 2!
Yes, Rick, but given the range of the 'R' models, both in price and style, I wanted a general overview with the newest up front and leave the nuances for those interested to sort out. (They only had 6 for sale on C25 starting at over $50k...) The CS models ... there were a lot! Your job is to keep be honest! Cheers, Bill
Hey James, I know what you mean, but I've learned to enjoy sizes ranging from my 33mm Calatrava to 42mm H. Moser- my sweet spot is from 38mm to 41mm, but I'm flexible. I'd take a FPJ Optimum the size of a frisbee! Cheers Bill
could you consider a watchmaker that can be bought for below today’s retail/boutique prices and may be worth 3x in 3-5 years? might be interesting and may open our eyes to other options. with that said, I’m a HUGE FP Journe fan! Plus, I mentioned you to Kenny C at the Journe LA boutique and he knew you right away 😀
Henry, I don't collect watches with an investor's eye; but while the price of a watch may change, its value remains the same. A good watch with horological value will always be a good watch with horological value. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci that makes a lot of sense. I was thinking along the same lines and I guess you're already doing it: but evaluating **lesser know brands** that have good to great horological value. 👍🏾
Watch prices make no sense to me, Hero. The 48mm Elegante used to go under $10k and now they're moving up to over $20k. The lowest price platinum CS is almost double what I paid for mine a few years ago. Suddenly, people decided they had to have a FPJ. At the same time, watchmakers with equal chops go for a song. My Roger Dubuis Easy Diver was under $5k ... but I've noticed it's been inching up. I've decided to start collecting affordable watchmakers like Dubuis and Roth before the herd finds out...Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@greaterbayareahero1401 I didn't think you were complaining ... just a legitimate query. I think what may have happened is that there are a lot of people who buy expensive watches finding themselves not spending on restaurants, travel and other expenses that were incurred pre-pandemic. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Hi Bill, informative video btw. I am in the market to buy one and look at a rose gold CS. The price is 27k. Do you think it’s worthy? Should I wait?
@@watch_MrG At this point in time it seems like a good buy; especially, if it's in good shape. Unless you know the last time it was serviced and/or overhauled, plan on spending around $1,500-$2,00 to have that done. It's money well-spent. I have no idea whether the market will go up or down, but a good watch is a good watch. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
No brand ticks me like Lange and Journe. One is exceptional in holding standards while producing thousands of watches and another is the watchmaker of our time. I would consider myself very lucky if I get to own one of the pieces from them(not likely to happen). :(
A recently saw a You Tube documentary (fabrication of their case, components, etc.)about their watch and fell in love even more. Now if I can win the lottery.😿
John, was the that Roger Smith video?-he starts with a rod of gold and crunches it into a case as the first step in making a watch. There's an incredible waiting list for his watches, and he only makes about 10 watches annually. Cheers, Bill
No, it was : The masking of F.P. Journe ´s most complicated watch/Hodinkee The video is a little jewel 💎 by itself. Take care, to you & your better half, John
Bill, if I remember correctly, Mr. journe doesn't like hacking seconds, right? Nevertheless, the first watch that caught my eye was the chronometre souverain in rose gold.
You are right Gilberto: FPJ is not a fan of stop seconds, and the FP Journe Chronomètre Souverain does not have hacking. (I just put mine on!) Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, again another great video. I recently had the chance to see a Vertical tourbillon up close which was for sale at a AD ( I was surprised one was available) .Although i was impressed with the watch itself i was less than impressed with the tan leather strap and the quality of the pin buckle . I would also have preferred on a watch at this price level a deployment clasp even though its on a leather strap, what is your view ?. Apart from the brass movement Tourbillon Souverains,it seems that F.P.Journe high end watches like the gold movement Tourbillons lose considerable value , with prices of this model in the low $90k and some in the $70s compared to what $160k rrp ? As a watch enthusiast I am not looking to buy watches as investment ,however it is nice to know that your purchase doesnt lose too much value while you enjoy it.What is your view on these watches for the future? . I was also pleased with the friendly reception at F.P.Journe especially when compared to the cold unfriendly service at the Rolex AD which is why i am moving away from Rolex and looking for something different . Happy new year and all the best for 2020
Hey Rob, I know what you mean about the strap. Most of the gator straps have been replaced by leather of different origins-hides from the non-endangered list. Moser started using Kudu hide ... so any gator or croc bands are going away as the primary band-material. FPJ has a lot of class, and every time I get to NYC, I try to drop by their boutique. Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci Thanks BIll. Watched your entire video and I think it would be a great topic for your next video. Just to discuss the prices :) Thanks and stay safe!
Hi Bill. I bought my Seiko 5 last year so that's $100 more to put towards an FPJ this year. Like each of the last 5 years I'm hoping this will be the year we get the Elegante QP 🤞
Jeremy, that's one of the watches I'll be covering in Part 2 of 'Buying an FP Journe Watch.'-an amazing and very intelligent watch. Good hunting! (With both a Seiko 5 and a FPJ! You've got all your bases covered!) Cheers, Bill
Mistable, that's just insane! Here's an AD near me: www.shrevecrumpandlow.com/collections/f-p-journe-watches?page=1 Their street price is higher than the AD price! Take care, Bill
WatchArtSci it was once said that I enjoy the shade because someone before me planted a tree. There have been many names in haute horology. I wonder is a production run of 900 watches per annum truly limited. I read somewhere that fpj has trained other watchmakers to make his creations. Nothing wrong with that. Personally I find them to be nice watches and whomsoever purchases one should be content that they are purchasing a high end item regardless of future value. Not that we buy watches solely for value. I still remember when Franck Muller was the hottest thing around and crowned the king of complications.
Thomas, in my case I had both of my FP Journes serviced and overhauled. I now have a "New Point" for my watches in that all the parts are like near-new and they've been cleaned and lubed so, it's been worth it to me. What watches do you consider a waste of money to have serviced? Thanks, Bill
WatchArtSci have all high end watches Patek AP Vacheron Rolex never in my life would I waste money servicing a watch and I been collecting watches for 40 years the reason is watch companies make tons of money servicing watches I have watches that are 15 20 years old never serviced a one all running just fine unless a watch is not running properly there is no need to waste money servicing them
Hi Bill, UTC = Universal Time Coordinated 🙂.
Mister Journe is an amazing person, known for his strong character, but recognised as one of the best watchmakers living actually.
I was lucky enough to buy a Chronomètre Bleu from Paris boutique with no waiting list, the experience is second to none.
Journe watches are above Patek in my opinion.
I think the CB is popular for its blue dial, used also in the pièce unique.
A great video topic. Thanks for sharing.
Yes DGB, that's right. So used to calling it Zulu Time from my flying days that I forgot its true name...🙄 So you have a 'Bleu!'-the thousand watches in one! Better than Patek Philippe? Well PP cranks out 50,000 per year and FPJ under 900 with a living watchmaker namesake-of course they are. That's why I differentiate between 'High Horology' and 'Exceptional Horology'- don't get me wrong PP has wonderful watches; FPJ as magnificent ones! Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, I think FPJ is a living legend, and his watches value will definitely increase in the future.
The Resonance is my grail from FPJ, number 3 on my all-time grail list :D
Yes, Adbul a living legend...which FPJ watch do you think you'll be able to have first.Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci I would like to get my hands on a Chronomètre Souverain in any combination :D but I think maybe in 2022. best, Abdul
FP Journe is my grail brand. I’m getting there. A Moser Endeavor is shipping to me this week!
Mark tell me about the Endeavour you got! I love Endeavours! Cheers, Bill
I’m pretty sure it’s the last NEW rose gold case with grey fume dial in the world.
How’s this for coincidence Bill. Just last week I pulled the trigger on an FPJ CS in platinum. Bought it in “unworn “ condition and should have it next week. I considered the red gold but decided to go with platinum as I think I’ll wear it more. Thanks again for all of your extremely informative videos. You’ve taught me a lot. Best wishes for a healthy and happy 2020!
Congratulations Jeffrey! As soon as I got mine, I got an extra FPJ band-one with a rubberized back so that I can wear it all the time and keep the original in prime shape for special occasions. Later, the manager of the NYC boutique, William who also has a CS in platinum, was wearing his with a 'Cognac' strap-beautiful strap with platinum. So I got one too, and it's like having an extra CS in my collection-the strap transforms the look of the watch. What a great way to kick off 2020! Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci Thanks Bill. My wife and I will be in Hong Kong in a few weeks and I’ll be sure to visit the FPJ Boutique during our stay. My new watch will have an unworn black gator band but I also like to have one or two options. I agree with you that’s it’s “almost” like having another watch. I imagine the platinum CS should shine in cognac and/or blue. Thanks again for advice. Regards, Jeff.
Hi Bill! So glad to see this piece on FP Journe and look forward to Sunday’s installment. It’s less than 5 years since I became engrossed in the world of watches and 3 since I found FP’s products. The man is truly amazing on many different levels combining a unique sense of style with outstanding engineering abilities makes him a modern day Rembrandt. When I first found the Resonance series, IU loved the concept but had no love for the dial. Sure the first series were elegant and beautiful, but I could not see the sense of putting 2 12 hour displays on there. The answer was the “digital” display that would show 24 hours. Never liked the look for that edition, but made more sense. I always said if he ever comes out with an analog 12 and 24 hour display, I would pony up the funds. Well, he did and I did! Couldn’t be happier with my new Resonance, but it is challenging to wind! Happy New Year! Rich
Hi Rich! Do you remove the 12 o'clock band when you wind and set your Resonance? The manager of the FPJ Boutique in NYC suggested I do so and for the last few years I've had my R (the first versions of the Chronomètre à Résonance were designated simply as 'R') I've always done that lest I bend the stem or crown. When I had it serviced and overhauled in 2017, the stem had to be replaced, and I think that the prior owner had bent it in the winding. It sounds like you got the 2019 version-a truly unique and rare one since FPJ said he was only going to have that version for one year. Mine, from 2002 keeps great synch and even after the charge is low, the second hands, minutes and hours are in perfect resonance. A great watch to own! I wonder what FPJ has in mind for his next Chronomètre à Résonance! Happy New Year and Decade, Bill
Hey Bill
Yes I always remove the strap to wind the Resonance. Even so after a week of wear my fingers are killing me! It’s like winding a small razor! Given that I love the watch and especially appreciate the movement. It’s much different than the Armin Strom resonance which has an actual physical connection to get it to resonate. Truly a remarkable accomplishment!
oh how things have changed- there was a time a Journe could be had for below boutique prices. 😮😮😮
And it wasn't that long ago Henry! Take care, Bill
I do respect FPJ himself a lot and I also totally agree he is the A.L. Breguet of our era. More than one time I've asked myself "Do I value and focus on hand-finishing too much?". Sure hand-finishing is one of the key difference between Haute Horlogerie and mass-produced good watches, but the innovations of mechanisms and functions shouldn't be less important at all. The Chronometre Optimum is also my favorite FPJ and at the top place of my grail list. The combination of constant power feed and friction-free escapement is theoretically perfect for chronometry. But one thing has bugged me a lot: why FPJ doesn't make a hacking system if chronometry is his major interest?
By the way, as I know the waiting list of the Chronometre Bleu has been discarded by FPJ.
Leya, he does't include hacking for the same reason Patek Philippe doesn't; slamming the breaks on the balance wheel cannot be a good thing. My Lang & Heyne has hacking and I do worry about the stop-second mechanism. (I think all German watches have hacking-how could they not?) Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci I understand your concern, but I also believe there's a distinct contradiction between chronometry and non-hacking movement. Several Patek's new movements also have added hacking function. I think FPJ should find a new way to hack the movement, not just ignores this issue.
Great Brand. My fav! On my bucket list. Nice video mate
Hey Tim, thanks man, my pleasure. Cheers, Bill
A very informative video especially with the pricing info! I look forward to the Part 2 this Sunday. Love your F.P. Journe cap by the way. Happy 2020!
Hey Henry, thanks man! Hope you like Part 2 where both LineSport and Élégante are covered along with some other models that are 'over-the-moon.' Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci A friend of mine got an Élégante recently and it is so cool! Look forward to your intro tomorrow:)
Absolute grail
木野三葉 It really is!Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@WatchArtSci I am in dilemma and need your advice as I really respect your knowledge and opinion, I was able to get elegante 48 from AD and consider how these are skyrocketing in market price I am wondering if I should sell it at gray market price and by myself a mechanical Fp chronometer souvrin platinum like the the one you have instead to take advantage of the price difference what do you think ?
Anas, if you can get what you need to get a platinum Chronomètre Souverain; do it. Take care and be safe, Bill😷
My Grail is the Vagabondage III .... jumping seconds!! Are you kidding me?!
For some who can afford it, JAL, they're not kidding. If I could afford it, I'd get the Optimum. How about yourself? Take care, Bill
Where can i buy one of the chronometre platinum? It looks so good
Hi Louis, right now is a rough time to buy any FP Journe because they are essentially sold out-the FP Journe Boutique in NYC told me they had sold out all of their 2022 stock! So look around, but be very, very careful. Fake and fraud abound. They've been selling for around $60,000 and more, but some are lower, but remember-if a deal is too good to be true ... it probably isn't. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci oh my :( that's very sad to hear. I've been looking around and was hoping to be able to get my hands on one of these masterpieces
@@louismisson There will be other watches with great deals in time... there always are. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, just wondering, but would you happen to know about how much the service cost for an FPJ CS would be? As someone interested in one day owning one, just wondering what I'm getting myself into. Thanks!
The basic service for a Chronomètre Souverain is about $1,800 (may have changed since 2017 when mine was done) The FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance was more by about $500±. I had both the service and overhaul for both of my FPJs since both were purchased pre-owned; so it was more. Expensive, Jade, but I think worth it to be done right. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Thank you for the transparency. I'm always on the fence between going pre-owned and saving a chunk of change or getting the boutique experience. I guess it all comes down the finding the right pre-owned seller. Thanks again.
Great video Bill. I really like F.P. Journe, his attention to detail is second to none. Unfortunately they are out of my range for the foreseeable future. Maybe one day.
Well, Bruce, you have a watch now that is made by hand with talent to match! Cheers, Bill
If only I had a time machine!
As do we all IC! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci You too Bill! I'm having a heck of a time right now going through your entire video catalogue. Very sad I didn't discover you earlier!
Great video, Bill. The Optimum also has a double-direct impulse engine, similar - but different - to Breguet's original Natural Escapement. In addition, the Remontiore will cut-out with less then 20 hours of power or so. Also, it has a regular second on front and a dead-beat second on the case back, whilst the Tourbillon Souvrain has dead-beat only on the front.
Hey SouthNC thanks for that additional information about the Optimum. I discovered the Grönfeld Remontoir 1941, and while less expensive than the Optimum; still too high for my budget! I'll see if I can talk some watchmaker into making a remontoir we all can afford! Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci As I know the Gronefeld is already the most affordable watch with remontoire which ever appeared in the market. I'm also curious why it always costs a lot since the mechanism isn't that complicated.
Leya, it's an easy concept to understand but very difficult to create. In a conversation with Stephen Forsey, I asked about why more watchmakers didn't use remontoir d'egalite and that was what he said. Simple in concept is not always simple in execution. E=MC2 is an example. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Honestly I doubt that's the whole story... On the contrary to the modern mainspring and escapement system, how much advantage will a remontoire have? For me it's more like a tourbillon in wristwatch: interesting to view but with minimal function.
Leya, the same can be said for the tourbillon-but they're a dime a dozen. Accuracy in fine mechanical watches is really a side-show given that we can have near-perfect accuracy with a cheap quartz. The remontoir d'egalité is a brilliant concept and implementation, and until I find other wise, I'm going with Stephen Forsey's explanation. What I'd like you to do is to do some digging on your own to see what you can find out about remontoir d'egalité ... and figure out how we can get an affordable one! Do some real research and let me know what you find. Cheers, Bill
Bill, the graphic for the Resonance is a little misleading..... the photo is of the “2019 only” model and retail price is correct at $82.8.....but the reference to a listing on C24 at $52,000 just isn’t an apples to apples comparison. No way can you get a 2019 only Resonance for $52.0.
Also, C24 has many CS listed for low to mid $20s which could have been a reference point early in the video when you discussed CSs.
Looking forward to part 2!
Yes, Rick, but given the range of the 'R' models, both in price and style, I wanted a general overview with the newest up front and leave the nuances for those interested to sort out. (They only had 6 for sale on C25 starting at over $50k...) The CS models ... there were a lot! Your job is to keep be honest! Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill,
Chronometre Opttimum is also my favourite FPJ, but I wish he did it in 38mm. Cheers, James
Hey James, I know what you mean, but I've learned to enjoy sizes ranging from my 33mm Calatrava to 42mm H. Moser- my sweet spot is from 38mm to 41mm, but I'm flexible. I'd take a FPJ Optimum the size of a frisbee! Cheers Bill
could you consider a watchmaker that can be bought for below today’s retail/boutique prices and may be worth 3x in 3-5 years? might be interesting and may open our eyes to other options. with that said, I’m a HUGE FP Journe fan! Plus, I mentioned you to Kenny C at the Journe LA boutique and he knew you right away 😀
Henry, I don't collect watches with an investor's eye; but while the price of a watch may change, its value remains the same. A good watch with horological value will always be a good watch with horological value. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci that makes a lot of sense. I was thinking along the same lines and I guess you're already doing it: but evaluating **lesser know brands** that have good to great horological value. 👍🏾
Hi Bill, have you seen the prices of the FP Journe Elegante 48mm lately? What do you think and reasons why?
Watch prices make no sense to me, Hero. The 48mm Elegante used to go under $10k and now they're moving up to over $20k. The lowest price platinum CS is almost double what I paid for mine a few years ago. Suddenly, people decided they had to have a FPJ. At the same time, watchmakers with equal chops go for a song. My Roger Dubuis Easy Diver was under $5k ... but I've noticed it's been inching up. I've decided to start collecting affordable watchmakers like Dubuis and Roth before the herd finds out...Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci I mean I'm not complaining since I own one but just wanted to know the reason for the price increase...:)
@@greaterbayareahero1401 I didn't think you were complaining ... just a legitimate query. I think what may have happened is that there are a lot of people who buy expensive watches finding themselves not spending on restaurants, travel and other expenses that were incurred pre-pandemic. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Hi Bill, informative video btw. I am in the market to buy one and look at a rose gold CS. The price is 27k. Do you think it’s worthy? Should I wait?
@@watch_MrG At this point in time it seems like a good buy; especially, if it's in good shape. Unless you know the last time it was serviced and/or overhauled, plan on spending around $1,500-$2,00 to have that done. It's money well-spent. I have no idea whether the market will go up or down, but a good watch is a good watch. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
No brand ticks me like Lange and Journe. One is exceptional in holding standards while producing thousands of watches and another is the watchmaker of our time. I would consider myself very lucky if I get to own one of the pieces from them(not likely to happen). :(
Eloquently put Nowshed. Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill. I like the photo you put up of the Chronometre Soverain in Platium. Is that more than the Platinum one?
Hi Richard, it's the same one I have, but the picture is from FPJ. I think there might be a white gold dial platinum, but I'm not certain Cheers, Bill
Nice show!
Hey Looker, thanks man! Cheers, Bill
A recently saw a You Tube documentary (fabrication of their case, components, etc.)about their watch and fell in love even more. Now if I can win the lottery.😿
John, was the that Roger Smith video?-he starts with a rod of gold and crunches it into a case as the first step in making a watch. There's an incredible waiting list for his watches, and he only makes about 10 watches annually. Cheers, Bill
No, it was : The masking of F.P. Journe ´s most complicated watch/Hodinkee
The video is a little jewel 💎 by itself.
Take care, to you & your better half,
John
Bill, if I remember correctly, Mr. journe doesn't like hacking seconds, right? Nevertheless, the first watch that caught my eye was the chronometre souverain in rose gold.
You are right Gilberto: FPJ is not a fan of stop seconds, and the FP Journe Chronomètre Souverain does not have hacking. (I just put mine on!) Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, again another great video. I recently had the chance to see a Vertical tourbillon up close which was for sale at a AD ( I was surprised one was available) .Although i was impressed with the watch itself i was less than impressed with the tan leather strap and the quality of the pin buckle . I would also have preferred on a watch at this price level a deployment clasp even though its on a leather strap, what is your view ?. Apart from the brass movement Tourbillon Souverains,it seems that F.P.Journe high end watches like the gold movement Tourbillons lose considerable value , with prices of this model in the low $90k and some in the $70s compared to what $160k rrp ? As a watch enthusiast I am not looking to buy watches as investment ,however it is nice to know that your purchase doesnt lose too much value while you enjoy it.What is your view on these watches for the future? . I was also pleased with the friendly reception at F.P.Journe especially when compared to the cold unfriendly service at the Rolex AD which is why i am moving away from Rolex and looking for something different . Happy new year and all the best for 2020
Hey Rob, I know what you mean about the strap. Most of the gator straps have been replaced by leather of different origins-hides from the non-endangered list. Moser started using Kudu hide ... so any gator or croc bands are going away as the primary band-material. FPJ has a lot of class, and every time I get to NYC, I try to drop by their boutique. Cheers, Bill
Personally I prefer pin buckles over deployant clasps because of flatter presentation and larger tolerance to different wrist sizes.
Great video, thank you so much. Where do you find the retail prices of F.P. Journe?
Hi Boyan, I dug them up on the 'AD' trail: www.shrevecrumpandlow.com/collections/f-p-journe-watches?page=1 Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsciThank you so much, I have tried for months to find them.
It's odd that people will by a mass produced Rolex for the same price as a really unique watch as these and others.
Yes, Alton, I've often wondered about that myself. Go figure... Cheers, Bill
This video needs an update...how prices have changed in a span of 11 months!
No Kidding Bobby! Out of nowhere, all of the prices headed for the moon! Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Thanks BIll. Watched your entire video and I think it would be a great topic for your next video. Just to discuss the prices :) Thanks and stay safe!
Hey Bill, If I were to get an FP Journe, I will get the Elegante.
Hi Tippy, I've been tempted by the same watch ... it really is special. Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci cheers, Bill. Speaking of Toubillions, I think you can review different tourbillions from different brands.
Beautiful watches. Are the hands unique to the brand? And if so, do they have a special name?
Currently no other major brand uses this kind of hands, but Ikepod has used them before FPJ.
@@leyay7540 : Cheers for that.
Blaine, I have heard them referred to as "teardrop hands." Cheers, Bill
Bill what’s your view on the Octa Lune Havana 40mm. I love the brown look.
The tobacco brown of the Havanas is one of my favorite FPJ colors, Hero, and I would not mind having an Octa Lune Havana at all. Cheers, Bill
Thanks Bill, really enjoy your videos; great insight on Journe.
Hi Bill. I bought my Seiko 5 last year so that's $100 more to put towards an FPJ this year. Like each of the last 5 years I'm hoping this will be the year we get the Elegante QP 🤞
Jeremy, that's one of the watches I'll be covering in Part 2 of 'Buying an FP Journe Watch.'-an amazing and very intelligent watch. Good hunting! (With both a Seiko 5 and a FPJ! You've got all your bases covered!) Cheers, Bill
chrono bleu is nearly 40k on chrono24!
Mistable, that's just insane! Here's an AD near me: www.shrevecrumpandlow.com/collections/f-p-journe-watches?page=1 Their street price is higher than the AD price! Take care, Bill
Similar design language to certain Jaquet Droz models.
What exactly Ivan? Thanks, Bill
WatchArtSci since you own two how robust are the fpj movements? They are fairly new creations.
Ivan, they're derived from both George Daniels and Abraham Louis Breguet. Droz doesn't enter the picture. Cheers, Bill
WatchArtSci it was once said that I enjoy the shade because someone before me planted a tree.
There have been many names in haute horology. I wonder is a production run of 900 watches per annum truly limited. I read somewhere that fpj has trained other watchmakers to make his creations. Nothing wrong with that.
Personally I find them to be nice watches and whomsoever purchases one should be content that they are purchasing a high end item regardless of future value.
Not that we buy watches solely for value.
I still remember when Franck Muller was the hottest thing around and crowned the king of complications.
"The élégantééééé"
Yes, Justin ... what I say too! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Service why? Waste of money
Thomas, in my case I had both of my FP Journes serviced and overhauled. I now have a "New Point" for my watches in that all the parts are like near-new and they've been cleaned and lubed so, it's been worth it to me. What watches do you consider a waste of money to have serviced? Thanks, Bill
WatchArtSci that’s my opinion been collecting
WatchArtSci have all high end watches Patek AP Vacheron Rolex never in my life would I waste money servicing a watch and I been collecting watches for 40 years the reason is watch companies make tons of money servicing watches I have watches that are 15 20 years old never serviced a one all running just fine unless a watch is not running properly there is no need to waste money servicing them