Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Clay great vid as always. I don't know if I could hit that 3-d target at 100 yards but Murphy's law would dictate that I would hit that camera on the first shot.
I started with a traditional bow in 1970 and gradually graduated to several different compounds. I shot these bows with no sights. I have since went full circle all the way back to a longbow. I have always had way more fun shooting the traditional bows. I couldn't begin to guess how many arrows I have shot from these bows but I am sure it is over a million. One of the things I enjoy more than any other is distance or clout shooting. One time while at a tournament I shot two arrows a foot apart in a 3 foot circle at 190 yards. I'll admit it was with a compound. I learned how to use the point of the arrow while young in my archery career. Nothing is as fun as using the point of your arrow at long ranges...
Great video, I've been shooting barebow recurve at tournaments, and at 70 yards it is a challenge to stay focused. I agree, part of the fun of shooting long range other than working at beating your own past scores is seeing the arrow in flight.
I'm a retired U.S. MARINE and I was a Marksmanship instructor while I served. I also shot Artillery as my primary M.O.S. for those 21 years.. and I can tell u from my ballistics and marksmanship Training and Experience. Lobbing projectiles through the air to a fixed point is part science part art.... The Earth is spinning and moving.. so u get something called the "correolis" effect on the projectile. But the human brain is so complex that it will take into account these many factors. Over time. That's why "PRACTICE" is so important. U develop neurons.that will make u a better Hunter a better marksman... A better killer... More precise.. it's by design.. We're designed to become better Hunter gatherers evolution has built it in God has built it in...all we need to do is accept it. And then train and Believe... And u will get the desired results. More accurate,more deadly.. .more food on the table..
No I'm a retired U.S. MARINE and I was a Marksmanship instructor while I served. I also shot Artillery as my primary M.O.S. for those 21 years.. and I can tell u from my ballistics and marksmanship Training and Experience. Lobbing projectiles through the air to a fixed point is part science part art.... The Earth is spinning and moving.. so u get something called the "correolis" effect on the projectile. But the human brain is so complex that it will take into account these many factors. Over time. That's why "PRACTICE" is so important. U develop neurons.that will make u a better Hunter a better marksman... A better killer... More precise.. it's by design.. We're designed to become better Hunter gatherers evolution has built it in God has built it in...all we need to do is accept it. And then train and Believe... And u will get the desired results. More accurate,more deadly.. .more food on the table..
Great that you promote traditional bows. I made the switch from a compound in 1991. I've found that in timber when one has little time to use peep sights, pins and must hold a bow for a while, nothing replaces either a recurve, a flat bow or a long bow for quick responsive shooting. I used to practice with a Black Widow at 90 yards on a can of coke placed on a bale of hay...The smaller the target the smaller your group will be. The misses bothered me but many would have still been in the boiler room. I of course limit myself to 30 yards and under in hunting and even less. 15 to 20 yards is a good distance for me. Aside from the Black Widow, shooting long bows made by the late Steve Abbot and a flat bow made by the late Jerry Barr, I became a bit closer to what an instinctive shooter may be. not sure I am truly one but it is very freeing to not have to deal with sights, points of aim, etc...Nice video. I enjoyed it.
i have been shooting compounds for last 12 years. A few weeks ago i watched (by accident) one of your videos... and now i am a happy owner traditional bow :) my groups arn't good but shooting traditional is amazing, of course i stay with both bows but traditional bow is a challenge for me right now. Traditional archery also cures my TP.... well it's a long story :) Greetings from Poland.
I honestly feel this is the big separator between trad and compound shooting. You have more options. String walking, gap, instinctive, sights marks on riser or string. In reality who really cares. I know I have spent years shooting instinctive with an old Bear Grizzly in 3d shoots against guys with compounds with all the bells and whistles. I am just happy to have people to shoot with. I also have just started to try this gap/string walking. I am definately tightening my groups which is far better for big game, however, shooting on the wing is a different story. All types of shooting have pros and cons. The pro to all though is they are fun.
Man I wish I lived on land like yours! I was at an outdoor range in Orange County California shooting at 70 and 100 yards and I felt like I was holding others up at the line, marching all the way out there and back (not to mention looking for arrows). I was smiling ear to ear though when i hit the target and the compound guys beside me were like, "With a RECURVE?!?! That's amazing!!"
That's a great feeling. Because they can't,- cant or tilt the bow or create a ark. It all sights like a rifle. Also it's funny if they drop a compound they kind of freak out.
I agree completely with your opinion on shooting longer ranges. I shoot pistols and rifles for precision, and when I shoot too close, I don't take my time and concentrate like I do long. Bow hunting will come soon too.
Did this last year with my homemade horse bow and recurve, can't say I thought there was any correlation with that distance helping my group or consistency, but I will say I agree that longer shots do, I regularly shoot 50yrds with my traditional stuff and 100 with my compound, just with traditional my point of aim was 40ft high to hit at 100yrds didn't seem to do much for my close range.. but awesome shooting 2 of 3 at 80 is crazy good ! Keep up the awesome videos man!
I grew up shooting one of the large round straw targets. I practiced on the high school football field. The target was set up on the goal line. The lines being 10 yds.apart on the field allowed me to shoot from accurate distances. Beginning at 10 yds. I took my time shooting and only backing up 10 yds. When my groups were consistently tight. It took me 4 years to get consistent groups at 100 yds. with my 30lb.then 45lb. fiberglass long bow.(1955-1059). I never had any real instruction except for Howard Hill's hunting book but my "target practice" taught me to put the broadhead in the kill zone. Still I won't shoot a whitetail iver 20 yds in most cases. My current hunting bow is 55lb.@ 28" but my 31" draw gives me about 60lbs.
I've been shooting the same traditional recurve bow for 50 years so if you will accept a tip from an old school shooter it may help you. First, you are not shooting instinctively. You are using a crutch by holding the arrow tip at a fixed point in the distance, in this case a point way above your target but still a fixed point. Thus, if you want to "crutch shoot" using a fixed aiming point, then the answer to the height above the target when you are looking at open sky is to NOT look at the open sky at all. Use a reference point on your bow itself or your quiver by lowering your eye focus to a lower point below your arrow rest. For instance, you might find that lining up the bottom of your quiver with the top of the target itself will raise the bow's angle enough to put the arrow in the kill zone. It's basically converting a point on your bow into a makeshift bow sight. But since you aren't shooting instinctively to begin with, then what does it matter if you line up the tip of your arrow with a cloud in the sky or the bottom of you bow quiver with a point closer to the ground? It's the exact same principle. What I am saying is that if you want to use a sight, then fine. Just buy a good bow sight and mount it on your bow, set the pin for the appropriate range, and shoot happily ever after. Now when you want to really become a skilled archer that isn't dependent upon lining up a point on the bow or the arrow with another point on the ground or in the sky, just stop using all those crutches and start learning to shoot instinctively. At that point it will no longer matter if you can even see the sky! You only need to see the target. I practice night shooting to help develop that instinctive skill. For that, I put down a flashlight about 10 yards out from my target that simply illuminates a circle around the bulls eye. I then set up well behind the light where I am in complete darkness not benefiting from the flashlight at all. I can't even see the the sky or the background behind the target. All I can see is the bulls eye. When you are an instinctive shooter you can still hit the target with respectable groups most of the time because you are shooting from muscle memory, not fixed points of reference. I can readily shoot a deer on a moonless night if I wanted to. All I need to do is be able to see the outline of the deer and to estimate the distance mentally. I'm not knocking your video. I'm just offering you and your viewers a challenge to step up their game to the "A" level by learning to shoot instinctively rather than lining up two fixed points.
I try not to direct criticism toward the individual archer as everyone is at a different place on their archery pathway. This guy is shooting a self bow and trying to learn how to master it. Good for him! Just showing off what a traditional bow can do is a big boost for archery as it inspires others to give it a try. It's unfair to say he is not in love with archery. We don't know his interest level. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Yes, it could be that making You Tube videos on a popular subject like archery is just a way to fatten his wallet and that could be the only motivating force at work. But after watching the video, this guy has an true archer's approach to shooting that self bow. It isn't his first day at the archery range. So he probably isn't doing this just to make a buck. He is approaching using this bow in a well recognized manner, which is known as gap shooting. There's nothing wrong with that, if it is what you want to do. It is even considered a form of instinctive shooting, although in my opinion it's a method that is just lining up two point in a "sight window" which is the equivalent of aiming through any other kind of bow sight. For me, instinctive shooting requires NO use of sighting aids or schemes. I'm not saying using sights is bad or wrong. Anything that gets bows in the hands of people who learn how to use and appreciate them is a good thing in my book I'm just saying pure instinctive shooting without trying to line up two points and hold to a fixed gap between them is a more challenging shooting method. My point was to say that since he has figured out how to group arrows in a target at long distances by the gap shooting method then why not step up to the next level of pure instinctive shooting? I'd love to watch some more videos of his efforts to learn to do just that. If anyone is interested, I have a video on my channel of me demonstrating basic instinctive shooting with my 50 year old Bear Kodiak Magnum recurve. In it you will see me doing all my shooting without an arm guard. I stopped using one of those about 30 years ago, once I mastered the use of the correct shooting form. The point there is that as you master archery, you rely less and less on any sort of crutch. Primitive archers had nothing more than a bow and the arrow to work with. They didn't even use shooting gloves or tabs, just their bare fingers. Yet they killed game. BTW, at a traditional archery shop a few years ago the shop owner invited me to check out his 3-D target range. I had my bow but only one dilapidated arrow with one of the three fletchings gone. I had no shooting glove or anything else. The shooting line was elevated on a hill about 20 feet higher than the targets to simulate shooting from a tree stand. For some reason, this shop owner seemed intent on testing me to see if I really was a genuine instinctive shooter. So the test came down to me shooting one single arrow at any target I chose on an unfamiliar range which I had to shoot bare fingered and for which I was handicapped by using an arrow with only two feathers. I guess that was a fair test, don't you? What this owner didn't know is that I had hundreds of times in my life shot my bow bare fingered, although it hurts like hell to do so. And I had also shot many shafts with one, two, or even all three feathers gone. So I said nothing and just knocked the arrow. I failed the test. Miscalculating the height of the shooting hill and the angle downward to the target, I shot a bit over the deer's back. It was a nicely lined up shot but just too high. I think I saw the shop owner grin a bit. My friend who was with me retrieved my arrow while I continued to chat with the shop owner. When he got back with my arrow, I grinned at the shop owner and said I wan'ted to take another shot. This time I my two feather arrow hit the deer right in the neck artery where the neck joins the chest. Not a great shot but a fatal one nevertheless so I just politely said "Dead deer" and went to get my arrow. When I shoot my bow, I just focus on the target, not my bow or any part of the bow or arrow, and shoot. I use the same technique a baseball pitcher uses to throw a ball precisely where he wants to locate it That is, a pitcher doesn't try to find a point in the distance to aim at and line up the knuckles on his hand at the point of release. He just throws the pitch and lets the muscle memory etched into his body that guided the thousands of pitches thrown before take over. All he does is look at the catcher's glove. Good pitchers don't need to have a crutch to aim with. They just need the confidence that they can throw the ball to hit where they want to. Archery is the same. Confidence in your own innate ability honed after thousands of practice shots will do the trick. People ask me how to be a good traditional archer and I always reply the same: "Get a bow that fits you and fire 3,000 to 5,000 arrows per year for 50 years. You will get better!" That's the exact same principle that a basketball coach requires of every player. He lines all of them up for endless free throw practice, even though every one of them know how to make a free throw. But it is the endless practice that hones the skill of shooting by instinct. Just my 2 cents. Feel free to differ.
Life on Trehan Creek In some of his other videos he talks about how he uses point of aim for long shots such as the one in this video. He has also used Gap in some of them and instimctive for others which leads me to believe that he is quite a well rounded bowman but I enjoyed your Comment it was very informative
Brandon, I agree with you. Clay Hayes is a nationally known and respected archer who is a talented, well rounded bowman. Which is why I didn't want to see anyone taking aim at him. This was simply one of the rare videos where Clay was just having fun trying out long distance shooting. It wasn't trying to teach anyone anything or offer instructions on how to shoot at long distances. He said he had never shot a bow at that distance before. It was purely about the challenge of being able to hit the target at that distance and he aced it. This video was for pure entertainment and I genuinely enjoyed it. Hope to see Clay post many more!
Hello Mr. Life of Trehan Creek, I started archery late in life, a month shy of being 44 years old. Started off shooting a Sammick Sage 30 pound bow and was getting good bull's eye shots at 15 yards. For my 44th birthday I bought myself some 55 pound limbs and after 15 shots my shoulder didn't feel so good so I stopped, the next day I couldn't move my right arm. Four months later I can move my arm but still can get some good levels of pain if I use my arm too much (already been looked at by a doctor). I am not a hunter and I thought I was in pretty good shape being retired military, just shooting for fun. Should I stick with the 30 pound bow and retire the 55 pounder? Should I work my way back up? What max weight would you recommend? Should I switch over to compound bow to make it easier on the shoulder? If so what pound of compound bow would you recommend? I have been shooting guns all my life by the way and tried archery because it was getting too easy to shoot guns, even pistols are not much of a challenge, even push my target to the full length of an indoor range when I shoot pistols and can even outshoot other people that are using rifles. I can take the criticism by the way, please speak freely and thank you very much sir in advance. God bless you!
Once you learn instinctive shooting your bow arm will rise to that exact height everytime automatically and subconsciously no matter how far away, and your eye never leaves your target. It is addictive.
no body is saying that he has crappy form?) Only congratulations? ))) it is a typical distance for YORK and people hit 122 cm targets with 12 arrows per set.... From English wooden longbows
Very impressive. I also have a osage self made bow that looks very similar to yours. Infact without the snakey curve it would be exact. I also make bows and cant say it enough how dead on you were about shooting from a bow you made your self. Keep up the good work.
With anything, practice makes perfect. There are many who can and do make those long distance shots count, each and every time. I just feel lucky if I can actually hit the target. Haven't shot a bow in over 20 yrs, would like to get back to a recurve or long bow. Not sure my shoulder can do it, partially torn tendon and not fond of cross bows.
Both legendary archers Howard Hill and Fred Bear were adamant that sights of some kind were necessary to begin with and to continue to use while some expertise was achieved. I had the opposite problem, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn WITH sights,they just got in the way somehow. So I shoot what you would call 'instinctively '.Don't know if I'm doing it "wrong " but my arrows go where I want them to. Interesting vid.Keep up the good work.
@@clayhayeshunter Thanks for replying, love your bow,has a soul of its own, mine is a recurve made by Bear Archery way back when. Couldn't get used to compounds either.
Thought I was going to have to rag you on irresponsible shot but for 3D Target great shot love the bodock snake bow love my bodock snake bow with Copperhead skins
its funny that the ground you are hunting on my people hunted buffalo on for 100's of years,the nice thing about hunting buff is there are many of them,when you have 10-12 archers all shooting there will be food,and there might be a 1000 of them ,hard to miss,but you're right long distance shooting is the only kind I do,short shots I only make in wooded areas with cover,you're hitting that deer is because you actually tried,now that you know you can hit it,you can now move closer to shoot and retract,shooting distances make the archer a lot more proficient ,open ground for deer,elk,moose all very hard game,they hear and see you first,the more youshoot,it becomes second nature
I thought you were using the hill behind you for an aiming point, but you mentioned you were using a cloud ... I cheat on our farm and use my neighbors trees for the aiming point, I also have a mountain I can use for really long shots. You can use the angle of your bow set at 45 degrees and know your range and adjust slightly but it takes lots of practice. Doing this really helps for reasonable distances .
Please make a short video about that sinew backed take down bow. I would really like to make one and would love to see how a pro makes them. That would rock
Hey Clay, I'm late to the party, but I've shot bare bow for about 4 years now. I noticed that Whenever I'm out past 40 yards, I'll line up my shelf on the target, then my pointer knuckle will line up spot at 50 yards and my wrist will give me perfect aim at 70. It's possibly considered "cheating" in competition, what do you think?
Try split finger instead of three under and the hold over should diminish allowing you a point of reference on the hill side, also be a neat experiment to see how much hold over you trim off
That's exactly my issue with my AFB at only 34# at 28 I'm pointing into the sky at anything over 50 yards. I've just bought a pyramid style flat bow trilaminate 45# so hoping to reach out to 80 yards.
There is an easy method for those distances, just using your knuckles in your periferal vision. Index or middle finger knuckle may do the job. I've tried that from 75 metres.
would using heavy for weight arrows make a difference to maybe buck the wind a bit more? i know longbowmen use really heavy arrows as you're essentially lobbing it into targets, which also aids penetration from a distance. the fact a longbow is much heavier weight requires it anyways.
This is a good video when I shot competitively what I would do is something I created called walk back shooting I would start shooting at believe it or not 5 yards with a quiver full on my side I would walk back to over 100 yards putting my arrows into the target I do not use any Amy techniques only instinctive there are distance self developed gapping techniques I believe the brain uses I’m not sure but I did not aim and I have videos of me placing arrows into targets doing walk back shooting over 100 yards it can be accomplished fairly quickly by practicing have watched many of your videos over the years and I’m glad to say you’re a great archer and outdoorsman continue this fine art my friend
Beautiful bow, you made it? or where did you buy it? Also I prefer to not hold an organic bow for so long at full draw, since it loses springiness as soon as you begin to hold it. The sinew will prevent it from taking a set, but you wont get as much power if you hold that long.
@@clayhayeshunter nice! I built a few sinew backed oak bows myself and found them to shoot much faster when snap shooting. I wonder if the same is true for Osage/sinew in your experience. Osage being especially soft, I would think its even more important to snap shoot for more power. never had an Osage bow myself.
I was just wondering where your string is in comparison to your arrow when you are at full draw sighting down your arrow? Do you try to split your arrow with your string? Do you try to align your string with the edge of your bow? I hope my question was clear enough.
Well done Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.! Keep coming your videos I feel so happy when I watch your videos, with each vid. I learn something new add to my experience.! Again thanks for your efforts. By the way how many lbs you recurve bow ..? And how many total grains your arrow…? Greetings from Iraq
Clay. Are you shooting wood arrows? Thought they looked wood. Also watched some of your videos. Great job of promoting traditional bows etc. I've had recurve bows most of my life. But at 67 and RE pretty bad I think I'll have to find a other method. Keep going man
Lot of people don’t realize that instinctive shooting is actually better for most bow hunters. You will hit ur target more often. Unless you own a 1200 dollar bow that shoots like a gun. And btw that does not look like 100 yards
One can buy a 6-10 year old top of the line bow for a few hundred dollars and they shoot as good as newer ones. Anyhow I 100% agree the target in the video does not look like 100y. More like 40-60. The dark part at the end of the trimmed/pushed down vegetation, looks to be 100y away.
Hyy.. Bro what is your archery total length..... I have think making a longer range archery but i have don't clear of what is the total length of a longer range archery bro...? Can you help me...?
I can barely see my arrows at 18y and you casually put your hand above your eyes and scout the shit out of that plastic prey. Cheers young people. You and your damn proper undamaged eyesight :D
You know you are a bow sniper when you have to zoom in in order to see your hit. There is a video of a guy shooting at something about 100is yards at a 3D turkey and that freak dropped all 5 or so shots into the kill zone. That's scary.
It may be that the fellow shooting the turkey edited the video deleting his misses? Hitting a target as small as a turkey at 100 yards isn't an easy task but anything is possible . I once hit a flag pole at 150 yards with my home made Cedar bow and no one was more surprised than I.
@@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive, Editing was just a thought. I said,"he may have edited the video" not that he did edit it. I have shot with people that I considered great shooters and have never seen any of them shoot that well. Time took me out of the sport but I once shot every day that it didn't rain.I never achieved that ability although I have shot squirrels,rabbits,geese, hogs and deer.The longest shot on a deer was 80 yards and I missed it by a hair.I wish I had never done it. At that yardage the deer could have made a step and the arrow might have caused the animal to suffer.
@@clayhayeshunter Thanks, I have a horse bow in bamboo and Fiberglas that draws 60-65 @ 28 ( have never had it weighed but it feels like more ) . At 20-25 yards its a killer but past that its just a pointy stick flying through the air. PS: 3D targets and real animals are very different.
Where in Florida are you doing classes? N dates , n cost! I would like to attend.Been shooting since September 15th, 1957.. Could use a refresher or 2! Perhaps even 3! Lol! Looking forward to hearing from you! ATB from sunny Wintergarden,Florida😎!
Hi Bill, I’m giving classes in Milton. Not far from Pensacola. We’ve got one class each month through June. There’s more info at twistedstave.com . Shoot me a message via the contact form there. Ch
Hey Clay awesome video! I`m tinkering around with the idea of this traditional gig and was wondering about that bow that you`re using. Did you make it yourself? What kind of wood is it made out of? Would greatly appreciate any tips. Thanks much! I just subbed your channel too.
@@clayhayeshunter ,,,, Never to be recovered even though I have scratched with a hard rake, even though I have searched with my metal detector. My dog found two while sniffing. That is five to ten dollars an arrow. I use to shoot into an adjacent hill in a pasture at high angle with my 45lb compound. Much fun, but the long walk of what my laser distance device measured 945 feet was just too much and arrows scattered in about a 30 foot circle, down a steep hill, climb up a steep while some fear of snake encounter. Seems there are many copperheads on my land. My dog used to catch and present to me as a present with much glee until one finally got him. He died.
Is 45 lbs bad on the shoulders? That’s what weight my recurve limbs are. I can shoot 25 arrows then I’ll shoot another 10 & I’ll start meh lol shaking a bit not 100% ya know
Great shooting! Appreciate your channel, currently taking a bit of time off for shoulder pain. I read some of Howard Hill's writing, I think his method of "aiming" was something akin to yours, generally being aware of the arrow tip location to help guide bow alignment and elevation. He reported some pretty long shots w straight bow.
I am sure you have figured this out by now, but once your site image goes above a useable landmark, you need to change how you use the image. Sure you can use a cloud if you like, but it's unreliable. You need to shift to using the bow to intuit trajectory. Native Americans didn't just decorate their bows for spiritual reasons, though that was part of it, it also created graduating sites along the length of the bow.
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
Clay great vid as always. I don't know if I could hit that 3-d target at 100 yards but Murphy's law would dictate that I would hit that camera on the first shot.
Haha! My son hit one a while back.
Lol 😂
Aim at the camera and maybe you'll hit the target!
Well done Clay! I cannot say how much I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!
Thanks Gary
I started with a traditional bow in 1970 and gradually graduated to several different compounds. I shot these bows with no sights. I have since went full circle all the way back to a longbow. I have always had way more fun shooting the traditional bows. I couldn't begin to guess how many arrows I have shot from these bows but I am sure it is over a million. One of the things I enjoy more than any other is distance or clout shooting. One time while at a tournament I shot two arrows a foot apart in a 3 foot circle at 190 yards. I'll admit it was with a compound. I learned how to use the point of the arrow while young in my archery career. Nothing is as fun as using the point of your arrow at long ranges...
Great video, I've been shooting barebow recurve at tournaments, and at 70 yards it is a challenge to stay focused. I agree, part of the fun of shooting long range other than working at beating your own past scores is seeing the arrow in flight.
I'm a retired U.S. MARINE and I was a Marksmanship instructor while I served. I also shot Artillery as my primary M.O.S. for those 21 years.. and I can tell u from my ballistics and marksmanship Training and Experience.
Lobbing projectiles through the air to a fixed point is part science part art.... The Earth is spinning and moving.. so u get something called the "correolis" effect on the projectile. But the human brain is so complex that it will take into account these many factors. Over time. That's why "PRACTICE" is so important. U develop neurons.that will make u a better Hunter a better marksman... A better killer...
More precise.. it's by design..
We're designed to become better Hunter gatherers evolution has built it in
God has built it in...all we need to do is accept it. And then train and Believe...
And u will get the desired results.
More accurate,more deadly.. .more food on the table..
You got the words flat Earth moron in the wrong order
No I'm a retired U.S. MARINE and I was a Marksmanship instructor while I served. I also shot Artillery as my primary M.O.S. for those 21 years.. and I can tell u from my ballistics and marksmanship Training and Experience.
Lobbing projectiles through the air to a fixed point is part science part art.... The Earth is spinning and moving.. so u get something called the "correolis" effect on the projectile. But the human brain is so complex that it will take into account these many factors. Over time. That's why "PRACTICE" is so important. U develop neurons.that will make u a better Hunter a better marksman... A better killer...
More precise.. it's by design..
We're designed to become better Hunter gatherers evolution has built it in
God has built it in...all we need to do is accept it. And then train and Believe...
And u will get the desired results.
More accurate,more deadly.. .more food on the table..
Bryan Calhoun thank you for your service
That coriolis effect thing sounds fun, but it looks like it's not significant: www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=380886
I'm gonna call bullshit on the Correolis effect, it's not there, Don't exist and there has been a 50,000 reward offered by anyone that can prove it
Clay you are truly a humble man.
I did a 100yrd shot at ETAR this year. Started instinctive shooting back in May. Definitely a Great feeling
So many interesting and fascinating things to do with boys. I love this ...
Might wanna proof read there bud
Very, very impressive Skills! As allways, when it looks easy - you watched a Pro doing it.
Great that you promote traditional bows. I made the switch from a compound in 1991. I've found that in timber when one has little time to use peep sights, pins and must hold a bow for a while, nothing replaces either a recurve, a flat bow or a long bow for quick responsive shooting. I used to practice with a Black Widow at 90 yards on a can of coke placed on a bale of hay...The smaller the target the smaller your group will be. The misses bothered me but many would have still been in the boiler room. I of course limit myself to 30 yards and under in hunting and even less. 15 to 20 yards is a good distance for me. Aside from the Black Widow, shooting long bows made by the late Steve Abbot and a flat bow made by the late Jerry Barr, I became a bit closer to what an instinctive shooter may be. not sure I am truly one but it is very freeing to not have to deal with sights, points of aim, etc...Nice video. I enjoyed it.
i have been shooting compounds for last 12 years. A few weeks ago i watched (by accident) one of your videos... and now i am a happy owner traditional bow :) my groups arn't good but shooting traditional is amazing, of course i stay with both bows but traditional bow is a challenge for me right now. Traditional archery also cures my TP.... well it's a long story :) Greetings from Poland.
I honestly feel this is the big separator between trad and compound shooting. You have more options. String walking, gap, instinctive, sights marks on riser or string. In reality who really cares. I know I have spent years shooting instinctive with an old Bear Grizzly in 3d shoots against guys with compounds with all the bells and whistles. I am just happy to have people to shoot with. I also have just started to try this gap/string walking. I am definately tightening my groups which is far better for big game, however, shooting on the wing is a different story. All types of shooting have pros and cons. The pro to all though is they are fun.
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Man I wish I lived on land like yours! I was at an outdoor range in Orange County California shooting at 70 and 100 yards and I felt like I was holding others up at the line, marching all the way out there and back (not to mention looking for arrows). I was smiling ear to ear though when i hit the target and the compound guys beside me were like, "With a RECURVE?!?! That's amazing!!"
Cool 😎
That's a great feeling. Because they can't,- cant or tilt the bow or create a ark. It all sights like a rifle. Also it's funny if they drop a compound they kind of freak out.
Nice Video. I and my archery club here in ROK usually shoot from 160 yards distance at the 2.2 m x 1.8m target and it gives sure a lot of fun.
I agree completely with your opinion on shooting longer ranges. I shoot pistols and rifles for precision, and when I shoot too close, I don't take my time and concentrate like I do long. Bow hunting will come soon too.
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Did this last year with my homemade horse bow and recurve, can't say I thought there was any correlation with that distance helping my group or consistency, but I will say I agree that longer shots do, I regularly shoot 50yrds with my traditional stuff and 100 with my compound, just with traditional my point of aim was 40ft high to hit at 100yrds didn't seem to do much for my close range.. but awesome shooting 2 of 3 at 80 is crazy good ! Keep up the awesome videos man!
Brantley Thornton Jesus Christ you look like Zeus
I grew up shooting one of the large round straw targets. I practiced on the high school football field. The target was set up on the goal line. The lines being 10 yds.apart on the field allowed me to shoot from accurate distances. Beginning at 10 yds. I took my time shooting and only backing up 10 yds. When my groups were consistently tight. It took me 4 years to get consistent groups at 100 yds. with my 30lb.then 45lb. fiberglass long bow.(1955-1059). I never had any real instruction except for Howard Hill's hunting book but my "target practice" taught me to put the broadhead in the kill zone. Still I won't shoot a whitetail iver 20 yds in most cases. My current hunting bow is 55lb.@ 28" but my 31" draw gives me about 60lbs.
Love watching you shoot man. Awesome.
nice shooting! that bow is wicked too!
I've been shooting the same traditional recurve bow for 50 years so if you will accept a tip from an old school shooter it may help you. First, you are not shooting instinctively. You are using a crutch by holding the arrow tip at a fixed point in the distance, in this case a point way above your target but still a fixed point. Thus, if you want to "crutch shoot" using a fixed aiming point, then the answer to the height above the target when you are looking at open sky is to NOT look at the open sky at all. Use a reference point on your bow itself or your quiver by lowering your eye focus to a lower point below your arrow rest. For instance, you might find that lining up the bottom of your quiver with the top of the target itself will raise the bow's angle enough to put the arrow in the kill zone. It's basically converting a point on your bow into a makeshift bow sight. But since you aren't shooting instinctively to begin with, then what does it matter if you line up the tip of your arrow with a cloud in the sky or the bottom of you bow quiver with a point closer to the ground? It's the exact same principle. What I am saying is that if you want to use a sight, then fine. Just buy a good bow sight and mount it on your bow, set the pin for the appropriate range, and shoot happily ever after.
Now when you want to really become a skilled archer that isn't dependent upon lining up a point on the bow or the arrow with another point on the ground or in the sky, just stop using all those crutches and start learning to shoot instinctively. At that point it will no longer matter if you can even see the sky! You only need to see the target. I practice night shooting to help develop that instinctive skill.
For that, I put down a flashlight about 10 yards out from my target that simply illuminates a circle around the bulls eye. I then set up well behind the light where I am in complete darkness not benefiting from the flashlight at all. I can't even see the the sky or the background behind the target. All I can see is the bulls eye. When you are an instinctive shooter you can still hit the target with respectable groups most of the time because you are shooting from muscle memory, not fixed points of reference. I can readily shoot a deer on a moonless night if I wanted to. All I need to do is be able to see the outline of the deer and to estimate the distance mentally.
I'm not knocking your video. I'm just offering you and your viewers a challenge to step up their game to the "A" level by learning to shoot instinctively rather than lining up two fixed points.
I try not to direct criticism toward the individual archer as everyone is at a different place on their archery pathway. This guy is shooting a self bow and trying to learn how to master it. Good for him! Just showing off what a traditional bow can do is a big boost for archery as it inspires others to give it a try. It's unfair to say he is not in love with archery. We don't know his interest level. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, it could be that making You Tube videos on a popular subject like archery is just a way to fatten his wallet and that could be the only motivating force at work. But after watching the video, this guy has an true archer's approach to shooting that self bow. It isn't his first day at the archery range. So he probably isn't doing this just to make a buck.
He is approaching using this bow in a well recognized manner, which is known as gap shooting. There's nothing wrong with that, if it is what you want to do. It is even considered a form of instinctive shooting, although in my opinion it's a method that is just lining up two point in a "sight window" which is the equivalent of aiming through any other kind of bow sight. For me, instinctive shooting requires NO use of sighting aids or schemes. I'm not saying using sights is bad or wrong. Anything that gets bows in the hands of people who learn how to use and appreciate them is a good thing in my book I'm just saying pure instinctive shooting without trying to line up two points and hold to a fixed gap between them is a more challenging shooting method.
My point was to say that since he has figured out how to group arrows in a target at long distances by the gap shooting method then why not step up to the next level of pure instinctive shooting? I'd love to watch some more videos of his efforts to learn to do just that.
If anyone is interested, I have a video on my channel of me demonstrating basic instinctive shooting with my 50 year old Bear Kodiak Magnum recurve. In it you will see me doing all my shooting without an arm guard. I stopped using one of those about 30 years ago, once I mastered the use of the correct shooting form. The point there is that as you master archery, you rely less and less on any sort of crutch. Primitive archers had nothing more than a bow and the arrow to work with. They didn't even use shooting gloves or tabs, just their bare fingers. Yet they killed game.
BTW, at a traditional archery shop a few years ago the shop owner invited me to check out his 3-D target range. I had my bow but only one dilapidated arrow with one of the three fletchings gone. I had no shooting glove or anything else. The shooting line was elevated on a hill about 20 feet higher than the targets to simulate shooting from a tree stand. For some reason, this shop owner seemed intent on testing me to see if I really was a genuine instinctive shooter.
So the test came down to me shooting one single arrow at any target I chose on an unfamiliar range which I had to shoot bare fingered and for which I was handicapped by using an arrow with only two feathers. I guess that was a fair test, don't you? What this owner didn't know is that I had hundreds of times in my life shot my bow bare fingered, although it hurts like hell to do so. And I had also shot many shafts with one, two, or even all three feathers gone. So I said nothing and just knocked the arrow.
I failed the test. Miscalculating the height of the shooting hill and the angle downward to the target, I shot a bit over the deer's back. It was a nicely lined up shot but just too high. I think I saw the shop owner grin a bit. My friend who was with me retrieved my arrow while I continued to chat with the shop owner. When he got back with my arrow, I grinned at the shop owner and said I wan'ted to take another shot. This time I my two feather arrow hit the deer right in the neck artery where the neck joins the chest. Not a great shot but a fatal one nevertheless so I just politely said "Dead deer" and went to get my arrow.
When I shoot my bow, I just focus on the target, not my bow or any part of the bow or arrow, and shoot. I use the same technique a baseball pitcher uses to throw a ball precisely where he wants to locate it That is, a pitcher doesn't try to find a point in the distance to aim at and line up the knuckles on his hand at the point of release. He just throws the pitch and lets the muscle memory etched into his body that guided the thousands of pitches thrown before take over. All he does is look at the catcher's glove. Good pitchers don't need to have a crutch to aim with. They just need the confidence that they can throw the ball to hit where they want to.
Archery is the same. Confidence in your own innate ability honed after thousands of practice shots will do the trick. People ask me how to be a good traditional archer and I always reply the same: "Get a bow that fits you and fire 3,000 to 5,000 arrows per year for 50 years. You will get better!" That's the exact same principle that a basketball coach requires of every player. He lines all of them up for endless free throw practice, even though every one of them know how to make a free throw. But it is the endless practice that hones the skill of shooting by instinct.
Just my 2 cents. Feel free to differ.
Life on Trehan Creek In some of his other videos he talks about how he uses point of aim for long shots such as the one in this video. He has also used Gap in some of them and instimctive for others which leads me to believe that he is quite a well rounded bowman but I enjoyed your Comment it was very informative
Brandon, I agree with you. Clay Hayes is a nationally known and respected archer who is a talented, well rounded bowman. Which is why I didn't want to see anyone taking aim at him. This was simply one of the rare videos where Clay was just having fun trying out long distance shooting. It wasn't trying to teach anyone anything or offer instructions on how to shoot at long distances. He said he had never shot a bow at that distance before. It was purely about the challenge of being able to hit the target at that distance and he aced it. This video was for pure entertainment and I genuinely enjoyed it. Hope to see Clay post many more!
Hello Mr. Life of Trehan Creek, I started archery late in life, a month shy of being 44 years old. Started off shooting a Sammick Sage 30 pound bow and was getting good bull's eye shots at 15 yards. For my 44th birthday I bought myself some 55 pound limbs and after 15 shots my shoulder didn't feel so good so I stopped, the next day I couldn't move my right arm. Four months later I can move my arm but still can get some good levels of pain if I use my arm too much (already been looked at by a doctor). I am not a hunter and I thought I was in pretty good shape being retired military, just shooting for fun. Should I stick with the 30 pound bow and retire the 55 pounder? Should I work my way back up? What max weight would you recommend? Should I switch over to compound bow to make it easier on the shoulder? If so what pound of compound bow would you recommend? I have been shooting guns all my life by the way and tried archery because it was getting too easy to shoot guns, even pistols are not much of a challenge, even push my target to the full length of an indoor range when I shoot pistols and can even outshoot other people that are using rifles. I can take the criticism by the way, please speak freely and thank you very much sir in advance. God bless you!
Once you learn instinctive shooting your bow arm will rise to that exact height everytime automatically and subconsciously no matter how far away, and your eye never leaves your target.
It is addictive.
I agree a group at 80 yds gives you confidence which will help you shoot better groups close in.
Indeed
great shot, very promising, nice bow...slowly work toward 300 yds in 2' group.... I run #75 recurve, Hanahan Res, SC.
The personality of your bow is incredibly unique, well done on the shot!
Thanks Nic
Out of curiosity, what is the draw weight on that bow?
As always, great suggestion and reasoning
no body is saying that he has crappy form?) Only congratulations? ))) it is a typical distance for YORK and people hit 122 cm targets with 12 arrows per set.... From English wooden longbows
Very impressive. I also have a osage self made bow that looks very similar to yours. Infact without the snakey curve it would be exact. I also make bows and cant say it enough how dead on you were about shooting from a bow you made your self. Keep up the good work.
Impressive my man peace out from the Uk 🇬🇧
Thanks David
Pay NO ATTENTION to the grumpy know-it-all naysayers.
God, I just love that Fred Flintstone bow !!🤙
Haha! I get a lot of comments on that bow.
Love your bow!
slowly working my way up to 100 as well, using a 40lb barebone recurve.
With anything, practice makes perfect. There are many who can and do make those long distance shots count, each and every time. I just feel lucky if I can actually hit the target. Haven't shot a bow in over 20 yrs, would like to get back to a recurve or long bow. Not sure my shoulder can do it, partially torn tendon and not fond of cross bows.
Starts at 1:50
Impressive, normally shooting distance would expect a Long Bow (90+lbs) would be needed. Nice
Thanks
Both legendary archers Howard Hill and Fred Bear were adamant that sights of some kind were necessary to begin with and to continue to use while some expertise was achieved. I had the opposite problem, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn WITH sights,they just got in the way somehow. So I shoot what you would call 'instinctively '.Don't know if I'm doing it "wrong " but my arrows go where I want them to. Interesting vid.Keep up the good work.
Heck, as long as you’re satisfied with your shooting, go for it!
@@clayhayeshunter Thanks for replying, love your bow,has a soul of its own, mine is a recurve made by Bear Archery way back when. Couldn't get used to compounds either.
Bear made some nice bows!
@@clayhayeshunter Oh yes!
Nice job good shooting.
Thought I was going to have to rag you on irresponsible shot but for 3D Target great shot love the bodock snake bow love my bodock snake bow with Copperhead skins
This one will have copperhead skins on it soon!
Maybe ragging on someone shouldn’t be your first thought
Love this channel. Keep up the great work!!!
Nice shooting man.
Great Video.
Thanks David
its funny that the ground you are hunting on my people hunted buffalo on for 100's of years,the nice thing about hunting buff is there are many of them,when you have 10-12 archers all shooting there will be food,and there might be a 1000 of them ,hard to miss,but you're right long distance shooting is the only kind I do,short shots I only make in wooded areas with cover,you're hitting that deer is because you actually tried,now that you know you can hit it,you can now move closer to shoot and retract,shooting distances make the archer a lot more proficient ,open ground for deer,elk,moose all very hard game,they hear and see you first,the more youshoot,it becomes second nature
you are a bad dude clay. epic shot. walked it right in. glorious. those natural arrows?
These are carbon. I needed some arrows for a hunt and didn’t have any bamboo shafts spined heavy enough. I’ll be making some up soon though.
It would be interesting to know the draw weight of the bow.
You the man, man!
I thought you were using the hill behind you for an aiming point, but you mentioned you were using a cloud ... I cheat on our farm and use my neighbors trees for the aiming point, I also have a mountain I can use for really long shots. You can use the angle of your bow set at 45 degrees and know your range and adjust slightly but it takes lots of practice. Doing this really helps for reasonable distances .
Yes it does!
Gotta be the only two piece selfbow in the world. Ha Nice shooting !!
Please make a short video about that sinew backed take down bow. I would really like to make one and would love to see how a pro makes them. That would rock
Hi Joel, I covered the sinew backing process for this bow on my Patreon site. Www.patreon.com/clayhayes
Good stuff bud!
Hey Clay, I'm late to the party, but I've shot bare bow for about 4 years now. I noticed that Whenever I'm out past 40 yards, I'll line up my shelf on the target, then my pointer knuckle will line up spot at 50 yards and my wrist will give me perfect aim at 70. It's possibly considered "cheating" in competition, what do you think?
I’m not much of a competition shooter so I don’t know the rules.
Try split finger instead of three under and the hold over should diminish allowing you a point of reference on the hill side, also be a neat experiment to see how much hold over you trim off
That's exactly my issue with my AFB at only 34# at 28 I'm pointing into the sky at anything over 50 yards. I've just bought a pyramid style flat bow trilaminate 45# so hoping to reach out to 80 yards.
There is an easy method for those distances, just using your knuckles in your periferal vision. Index or middle finger knuckle may do the job. I've tried that from 75 metres.
@Darren Harper sure. You need split finger(lowering the knock in reference to the eye) though to do that or a very fast bow( flater trajectory)
would using heavy for weight arrows make a difference to maybe buck the wind a bit more? i know longbowmen use really heavy arrows as you're essentially lobbing it into targets, which also aids penetration from a distance. the fact a longbow is much heavier weight requires it anyways.
I think a heavier arrow would be less affected by wind but it makes for a higher trajectory which makes the up and down aim more critical.
I found my groups too get better after shooting longer distance's and smaller targets...it does seem like it forces me to focus more.
This is a good video when I shot competitively what I would do is something I created called walk back shooting I would start shooting at believe it or not 5 yards with a quiver full on my side I would walk back to over 100 yards putting my arrows into the target I do not use any Amy techniques only instinctive there are distance self developed gapping techniques I believe the brain uses I’m not sure but I did not aim and I have videos of me placing arrows into targets doing walk back shooting over 100 yards it can be accomplished fairly quickly by practicing have watched many of your videos over the years and I’m glad to say you’re a great archer and outdoorsman continue this fine art my friend
What was the speed of the arrows ?
Beautiful bow, you made it? or where did you buy it? Also I prefer to not hold an organic bow for so long at full draw, since it loses springiness as soon as you begin to hold it. The sinew will prevent it from taking a set, but you wont get as much power if you hold that long.
I built it.
@@clayhayeshunter nice! I built a few sinew backed oak bows myself and found them to shoot much faster when snap shooting. I wonder if the same is true for Osage/sinew in your experience. Osage being especially soft, I would think its even more important to snap shoot for more power. never had an Osage bow myself.
Hi Clay, can recommend a bow that comes closest to the characteristics of your bow? Thanks so far!
Michael from Germany
All these selfbow/primitive bows are unique.
I hit an elk target at 160 yards with a recurve first time. At a archery tournament
You are awesome.
Very cool.
great advice!
I was just wondering where your string is in comparison to your arrow when you are at full draw sighting down your arrow? Do you try to split your arrow with your string? Do you try to align your string with the edge of your bow? I hope my question was clear enough.
I generally pay no attention to my string. Since I cant the bow it’s out of my vision.
@@clayhayeshunter my arrows seem to go to the left. Even though I have a that arrow aligned to the target. Any advice based off that? Thanks.
Well done
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.!
Keep coming your videos
I feel so happy when I watch your videos, with each vid. I learn something new add to my experience.!
Again thanks for your efforts.
By the way how many lbs you recurve bow ..?
And how many total grains your arrow…?
Greetings from Iraq
This bow is 63lbs@28.5”. Arrows are about 600 grains.
I've noticed you've gotten some new 3D targets. What brand are those? I like the life size mulie doe.
Those are RW Targets from Bigshot Archery. They’re super nice.
@@clayhayeshunter Thanks! I'll check them out.
I got pretty good at hitting razor shells on the beach at around 70yds
Whould it be lethal and how mutch pull weight that bow is
Great shooting . loosing a lot of arrows in that environment. 😀🇬🇧
Clay. Are you shooting wood arrows? Thought they looked wood. Also watched some of your videos. Great job of promoting traditional bows etc. I've had recurve bows most of my life. But at 67 and RE pretty bad I think I'll have to find a other method. Keep going man
tom miller those are carbon arrows there gold tip classic xt im pretty sure awesome arrows
thats freakin awesome!
Lot of people don’t realize that instinctive shooting is actually better for most bow hunters. You will hit ur target more often. Unless you own a 1200 dollar bow that shoots like a gun.
And btw that does not look like 100 yards
One can buy a 6-10 year old top of the line bow for a few hundred dollars and they shoot as good as newer ones.
Anyhow I 100% agree the target in the video does not look like 100y. More like 40-60.
The dark part at the end of the trimmed/pushed down vegetation, looks to be 100y away.
Hyy.. Bro what is your archery total length.....
I have think making a longer range archery but i have don't clear of what is the total length of a longer range archery bro...?
Can you help me...?
As far as you want I guess 🤷♂️
How clay hayes vs lars anderson to compare?
I can barely see my arrows at 18y and you casually put your hand above your eyes and scout the shit out of that plastic prey. Cheers young people. You and your damn proper undamaged eyesight :D
will you be doing a class in Fla this year 2020?
Several. There are dates and details at www.twistedstave.com
What is that quiver
You know you are a bow sniper when you have to zoom in in order to see your hit.
There is a video of a guy shooting at something about 100is yards at a 3D turkey and that freak dropped all 5 or so shots into the kill zone.
That's scary.
It may be that the fellow shooting the turkey edited the video deleting his misses? Hitting a target as small as a turkey at 100 yards isn't an easy task but anything is possible . I once hit a flag pole at 150 yards with my home made Cedar bow and no one was more surprised than I.
@@mattedwards4533 no no, there was no editing. The video was uncut. The camera ran through as he dropped several arrows in there. I was speechless.
@@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive, Editing was just a thought. I said,"he may have edited the video" not that he did edit it. I have shot with people that I considered great shooters and have never seen any of them shoot that well. Time took me out of the sport but I once shot every day that it didn't rain.I never achieved that ability although I have shot squirrels,rabbits,geese, hogs and deer.The longest shot on a deer was 80 yards and I missed it by a hair.I wish I had never done it. At that yardage the deer could have made a step and the arrow might have caused the animal to suffer.
@@mattedwards4533 ruclips.net/video/9hkxqMNrOZU/видео.html found the video. Just insane.
Thanks, I’ll check that out!
Use pure instinctive and you may be surprised on how well it works in a hunting situation.
6:02 the noise original settlers would’ve heard if the brave didn’t quite gauge the first shot properly
What is the draw weight of your bow? Looks kinda of soft.
63lbs@29”
@@clayhayeshunter Thanks, I have a horse bow in bamboo and Fiberglas that draws 60-65 @ 28 ( have never had it weighed but it feels like more ) . At 20-25 yards its a killer but past that its just a pointy stick flying through the air.
PS: 3D targets and real animals are very different.
Where do you go to shoot that far?
My back yard
What draw weight is the current bow you are using to hunt?
This one is a little over 60lbs at 28.5”.
I use my arms as a point of aim, but I also aim "wrong" I look at the target when I shoot and instinctly know what angle my arm should be at.
Aim small miss small... long range practice helps accomplish that
This reminds me I need to watch - The Patriot , Mel Gibson’s exact quote .
how many pounds do you pull with your bow ? I need to aim to a lot of sky to be able to get 100yds!
This one is 63# at 28.5 inches
3:17 " 3rd time is charm"
Where in Florida are you doing classes? N dates , n cost! I would like to attend.Been shooting since September 15th, 1957.. Could use a refresher or 2! Perhaps even 3! Lol! Looking forward to hearing from you! ATB from sunny Wintergarden,Florida😎!
Hi Bill, I’m giving classes in Milton. Not far from Pensacola. We’ve got one class each month through June. There’s more info at twistedstave.com . Shoot me a message via the contact form there. Ch
Hey Clay awesome video! I`m tinkering around with the idea of this traditional gig and was wondering about that bow that you`re using. Did you make it yourself? What kind of wood is it made out of? Would greatly appreciate any tips. Thanks much! I just subbed your channel too.
Hi Ken, yes this is a bow I made from Osage orange. Part of the process can be seen at www.patreon.com/clayhayes
Hey Clay thanks..... I`m gonna check it out. Like I said, this is all new to me, but I am more than intrigued.......
No sight?
Do you use back tension to release?
Yes. I’ve got several videos that address back tension.
How much is a class? Are you still doing this?
Not doing any classes right now
@@clayhayeshunter will you be doing them ever again? I hope everything is ok
How many arrows will be forever lost under the roots of grass. I have lost many.
Me too!
@@clayhayeshunter ,,,, Never to be recovered even though I have scratched with a hard rake, even though I have searched with my metal detector. My dog found two while sniffing. That is five to ten dollars an arrow. I use to shoot into an adjacent hill in a pasture at high angle with my 45lb compound. Much fun, but the long walk of what my laser distance device measured 945 feet was just too much and arrows scattered in about a 30 foot circle, down a steep hill, climb up a steep while some fear of snake encounter. Seems there are many copperheads on my land. My dog used to catch and present to me as a present with much glee until one finally got him. He died.
Is 45 lbs bad on the shoulders? That’s what weight my recurve limbs are. I can shoot 25 arrows then I’ll shoot another 10 & I’ll start meh lol shaking a bit not 100% ya know
Great shooting! Appreciate your channel, currently taking a bit of time off for shoulder pain. I read some of Howard Hill's writing, I think his method of "aiming" was something akin to yours, generally being aware of the arrow tip location to help guide bow alignment and elevation. He reported some pretty long shots w straight bow.
Yeah, Mr Hill was one of the best!
Buen tiró!!
more great sttuff! but to be fair this is not a composite bow, its a backed bow. lets be honest. they are 2 diff things
Backed, composite. Same thing in my opinion. It is a composite of natural materials. As opposed to a composite of modern materials.
I subscribed to his channel .... And now yours also . Well done
BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!
I am sure you have figured this out by now, but once your site image goes above a useable landmark, you need to change how you use the image. Sure you can use a cloud if you like, but it's unreliable. You need to shift to using the bow to intuit trajectory. Native Americans didn't just decorate their bows for spiritual reasons, though that was part of it, it also created graduating sites along the length of the bow.