The Cure For Missing! Longbow And Recurve Shooting Tips!
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- This is one of the most overlooked and single most important parts of a consistent shot process with longbows and recurves that will make a huge difference in your accuracy!
Just learning recurve traditional archery at 45. I have listened to Fred Bear, Ted Nugent, and now Jeff of Instinctive Archery. I feel like God Almighty is leading my learning. Thank you brother, and Jesus bless.
@@brads6304 thank you so much brother I’m glad I have been able to help out! Enjoy the journey!
Similar here, at 53..
Jeff this is probably the best video you have made in my opinion. For those watching this let me just say this. Jeff made me one of his Carbon Trace bows two years ago. Believe me when I say that I have tried shooting that bow every which way you can possibly think of. I am JUST NOW getting very poficient with it. I have shot bows for 65 years. I have shot recurves since ai was a kid. In my adult life I shot and competed with compound bows. I have won a lot of tournaments and things like that. Shooting a bow instinctively is the hardest thing I have ever done. It has taken me two years to master it. This is not an overnight journey shooting instinctively. But when it starts to come together, brother there is nothing that is more enjoyable than shooting instinctively and hitting what your looking at. So for those who may be getting discouraged, hang in there. Bring this video up and watch it all the time, because Jeff is exactly right in what he is teaching in this video. I can't tell you how important the form part of this type of shooting is. So thanks again for the video Jeff, and to the rest of the viewers out there, KEEP WITH IT! It will come in time.
Jim
Thanks my dear friend!
Ole Duffer here, I have since I could crawl shoot anything that flung something downrange. As a grown up kid, I have dozens of toys, sling shots, rifles, shotguns, pistol, cross bows, compound and recurve. I recall my dad, giving away my Bear Kodiak (circa 1968?) wish I still had it. Just recently started shooting a recurve again. I am left eye dominate, but shot bows right hand. I am struggling to shoot where I am looking, usually about the distance between my eyes to the left off. I say your vid, and ding! a light went off, I have been shooting a 50lb, and it feels like there is no back wall, and hard to draw consistent. I moved up to a 70lb, and wow, what a difference. Watching your video made me finally get to where I can go hunting.
@@erikwilson7622 awesome brother! It’s getting close 🦌
This is a great video! I’m so glad I watched it! I’m going to watch all of your videos now! Keep ‘em coming!
gread advice jeff, I appreciate this. I've been stuck on 70 percent for a couple years and I'm slowly chipping away at the hangups.
Thank You! I just applied your advice, and I saw IMMEDIATE improvement/results, all thanks to you!
Awesome!
It’s called proper alignment & getting into your real Anchor which is when your Scapula is set. Your Scapula properly set is your Anchor where the string touches your face are just references. 99.9% of Archers don’t know that!
I just worked on this today and realised why my consistency was off recently. Am now happier after ensuring I engaged my scapula. Great info
Keep practicing your draw Mark & you’ll feel your Scapula set itself for the shot. Ingrain that feeling Mark into your subconscious & eventually when you’re not in proper alignment it will feel wrong & you’ll let down & start over.
Right but if you put your fingers in a different place higher/lower on your face your aim will be diff every shot
So would it be fair to say this is like proper form on a Lat pulldown- where you squeeze the shoulders together?
The first two shots the right hand swings out, plucking , whatever, not straight back lol. Hey don't matter as long as you're hitting where you're staring at. Dead on!
I love this brother because he's simple and to the point and it's factual
The other day I asked what can i do with my arrows to fllight better, and It turned out like you sad my arrows were over spined, i got som heavy points 200 grain and my 35 pound with 31 inch started to fly were i aim, And with sholder rotation, got long arms have to pull 29.5 inch draw to get my sholder were it belongs like you showed , I been shooting 27.5 draw but my elbow was not in place, sometimes i get right on the spot from 25 yars, other times would go to right or left, been practicing so much and now I see whats happening here. Cause some times I get such acurate shots, but cant be consistent. Thank you so much 🤝
Thank you Jeff. This is a very important thing. I am so happy. 🎯
I'm pretty sure I occasionally miss is because I'm 70, have a small cataract in my shooting eye, have long entertained target panic, shake a little and get tired walking the 20 yards to pull the arrows.
I'll watch the video anyway, to see if you reveal some miraculous cure.
Mission complete: "FIND THE ANCHOR & ROTATE."
Jeff,excellent explanations as usual - fine, thanks,it works 👍
Great advice, thank you!
:)
My entire traditional bow hunting etc was based on instinctive shooting. I tried the “ aiming” stuff. The fingers under the arrow stuff and it just wasn’t for me. One thing that I feel gave an edge was I shot a lot. I mean that was what I was- a long bow wooden arrow hunter. For me it was so natural to just draw back while focused 100% on whatever spot and let it fly. There’s no other feeling like it.
@@timbow50 that’s so true and yes aiming is very good for 3D but will never replace instinctive for the purist hunters, I believe aiming is good for a lot of guys but mastering just being able to look and shoot accurately is priceless.
Dear Jeff......following you from Germany for a while and just let me tell you...I love your videos. Thank you for doing them and sharing with us.
Every time people ask me where my Anker does lay... I respond: My Anker is feeling my back muscles making this "click". My hand follows my elbow and naturally goes, where it should be for me.
Greetings my friend and thank you so much!
Yes sir that's one of my problems
Great video Jeff, what quiver is that you have?
@@danielmcraney9434 thanks! It’s a Selway strap on but I’m running a Gunshy on this bow now because of the short riser 👍🏻
Man that looks like my old lost creek bow.
Archery is hard man
Im making bows and learning how to shoot properly is crucial.
How can you know if the bow is done if you dont draw it properly???
I reckon some people just have the flexibility to shoot right off the bat
Not me. Too much driving and lifting
I love your videos and I learn a bunch, I have one question for you, I am right handed ,I do everything right handed, but I am left eye dominant!! So my shots are okay shooting right handed, do you think I would be better learning to shoot a left handed bow? Or should I just stay where I'm comfortable with the right handed shooting? Thanks a bunch for your great videos!!!!
Love it !
Great video. Is the quiver on your bow a regular size hood or the mini and if a mini will it hold 4 timber shark heads.
It’s a regular 👍🏻
I don't know how you do it haha. Fast and fluent
Been doing this 50 years. First is form. Next is practice. Little else counts
It doesnt look to me like he's setting his right arm - or pivoting it - like he says. He and some of the other dead-on accurate instinctive archers look to me like they're rushing their shots, as if they have target panic. Obviously they don't. If i don't take time to set my right arm and stare hard for a while at the target, I always miss. I just wonder if this is really a fault in his shooting technique that he's overcome with constant practice, or if he really does lock his right arm in place in a split second. I guess his accurate shooting shows that he does.
copied that and thanks therefor - do you think the mediterranian grip of the drawhand is that worse ?
@@stefanlindner2348 I’ve shot both and they’re really close to the same exact anchor for me 👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 👍😊
I'm sorry but you are not drawing back as far as you demonstrated before shooting.
You are stopping at the not here point you showed.
What's happening is you are coming to a consistent anchor point.
I disagree that you need an absolute perfectly lined up form to be consistently accurate.
When I hunt birds I don't ever come to an exact alignment ever and many times I short draw depending on the bird and shot I need to take and I take their heads off every time with judo tips.
I might be sideways to my target, body and both toes facing the target, twisted half way around backwards, hanging twisted around from my harness in the deer stand.
This is the real pleasure of learning to shoot 100% instinctive.
I learned to shoot this way by wondering around the woods stump shooting, from walking to sitting and even laying down, because you never know when the opportunity for that kill shot might happen.
I have watched many videos of Howard Hill and his draw was always different depending on the shooting he was doing and the timing to get the shot off.
If all you practice is standing, perfect form shooting you will never get consistent at any other form of shooting.
Ah hell nah! My arrows be gone in that long grass! 😂 I need a barn for a back stop! 🤦♂️
I'm going to try this. Thanks mate! 🇦🇺🦘
As a beginner i think the fact that you are able to release so quickly after hitting anchor makes it a little difficult to pick up the subtleties of how you transfer between anchor and release. Is there any chance you could demonstrate deliberately holding anchor for a couple of seconds to better illustrate this all important part of the process for those of us who are struggling along trying to teach ourselves?
There is precious little archery where I am and quality information is difficult to come by so your videos are absolutely priceless.
Thank you so much for being so free and generous with your knowledge Jeff.
100% used to do a football podcast then i picked up traditional archery and lost interest for anything else
Just have to share my appreciation for this video. The tips you share made the biggest difference to my approach to a consistant draw with a consistant group. It has been a journey trying to refine my technique and I can honestly say the tips shared here are absolutely game changing! My sincere thanks Jeff, I am going to share with all the archery enthusiasts I know. God bless you and your family!
@@kyleelder8620 Thank you sir!
I started shooting in last 3 months recurve and compound. I did recurve first for 2 months I still struggling with hitting the target even at 15 yards. Few hits now and then. But I'm still slinging arrows. I'm fully into it. I have the sanlida royal x8 and a PSE shaman 60" 45#. Having fun doing at same time even though I miss.
I’m VERY accurate with my 25 lb, but after a year of shooting moved onto the royal x8, and honestly can’t hit anything, I assume I moved up to 40 lbs too fast, hopefully I’ll get adjusted to it over time more
Yes!! Yess!! When I shoot like that the arrows just go right to the spot. When I don't it's all over the place
After two years of coaching, you have finally made sense of alignment in the draw arm. Coaches spend so much time on anchor points they push the draw itself into second place….thank you brother, I now have something visual to work with 🤙
Glad I found this channel. God bless you.
Best video I’ve ever watched on shooting form. I’ve had moderate success with a traditional bow but not consistent. I haven’t shot my bows in about 2 years. It’s dark out right now but this video makes me want to go shoot in front of some headlights. lol thank you!!
Would you say that arm biology has an effect here? For instance I have T-Rex arms, and it feels as though my rear elbow can’t pull around enough without my anchor needing to be too far back (or my head needing to rotate away from the target to keep my anchor)
Jeff, I watch you shoot and you don’t really hold at anchor it just goes to the same spot. I shoot traditional and I am inconsistent like you mentioned, I will have to try your advice. I know at times my draw is not the same
Yes sir out of everything in archery i believe this is the hardest to get right. None archers just can't see why it's important and so hard to achieve. Man my elbow was way up when i first started archery, then took a course that helped. But a guy who used to live down the street from me really showed me how important shoulder rotation is, and why it makes you anchor more constantly. Unfortunately he moved a few months back. But this just shows how difficult it is. I still struggle with it but getting better. I shoot abit like this guy, I'm not on anchor for long, infact i try to get in a rhythm, the more fast i draw the more accurate i am, i have a time window of about 1 to 2 seconds from draw to release, any longer i over think it and mess up. So now im working on my elbow being perfectly alighned, which at moment im not quit there..
Another awesome video brother you're the best teacher they are
Thank you 🙏
I shot olympic style for 30 years and now a LB for the last 10. This is so correct! Get that elbow, shoulder and scapula all locked in and aligned and let it rip! You make it look so easy and logical! Great video!
Jeff, I have been shooting for 15+ years and I used to be crazy accurate. Somewhere after a shoulder surgery and starting a job I lost my consistency. I watched this video and grabbed a tape measure to check my draw length. I realized my draw length was ranging from 27.5-30.5 with the same anchor point on my face. Sure enough locking my elbow back fixed the issue. I will try it out with my bow after I get home today!
@@jacobhochstetler825 awesome thank you so much!
Have you considered making content which uses foam padded arrowheads for LARP archery? There are a lot of LARP archers out there who would benefit from your expertise
I put this video up there with Clay Hayes & Matt Zirnsak’s videos!
@@marcoaguiar1131 thanks 👊
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 No, thank you for the well explained & detailed video.
Thanks Jeff! Love your videos and common sense way of teaching!
Thank you so much!
Jeff thank you for your videos. They have helped me improve. I think this video is especially important when bare shaft tuning. Earllier this month I had a nock left I could not get rid of until I reallized my draw elbow was out a little bit. I overcut the arrow. Moving the elbow around was a cure. I do have a question. I have trouble getting to anchor Its like my face gets in the wayof my draw hand any suggestions would be appreciated.
I have 4 1/2 vertical bows. A plastic chinese longbow, a semi custom (now) 'Survival' longbow, a Black Hunter recurve, and an old school compound. I can't claim to be a traditional shooter because due to nerve damage I have to use a release to draw and loose a bow over 30lbs.
Absolutely, proper form including shoulder rotation is essential to shooting well. Proper form is also essential to avoid injury. Way too many archers have had to stop shooting often permanently due to shoulder injuries. Unfortunately developing and maintaining proper technique including alignment is all but impossible to do on your own. It really, really, really helps to have a coach, mentor or a skilled/knowledgeable friend who can help and point out flaws and inconsistencies. I suppose you could watch RUclips videos, read books, and try to develop shooting skills on your own but I have found that approach leaves you way short of potential.
Jeff love your channel. You have helped me so much. I try to apply everything that you teach and believe it or not it’s working yay.😊
Did you start making bows again? I have one you made and would love to buy another
I’m currently using a compound and trying to get into shooting a recurve bow. However I’m my right hand and can’t get a clean release. My biggest question is would I be able to use a d-loop for my release setup? My release goes on my shoulder so I know it would mess with aiming a little so I would have to shoot almost entirely instinctively
Early morning 🍿 Out Jeff! About to watch!
thank you for showing the alignment shot
it was helpful
fod bless
You said the shot is 95% mental (but) it's mechani cal! WHICH IS IT?
thanks! i was practicing today and working on my form and 3 under and im getting some good results from watching your vids! thanks for all the tips so far!
Awesome thank you so much for watching!
I'm wanting to get a recurve bow. A friend let me try his recurve bow. I believe a flinched a few times.
When I used to shoot compound bow competitions I was taught to pull through once I got to my anchor, now that I shoot my recurve I do the same thing and let the release surprise me
Jeff it really helped me. I was all over the place but grouping arrows much better now!🏹
I was ready to give up but have changed my mind now👍😎
Great tip, Thanks...I watched every Fred Bear vid and photo possible and still don't think he had a positive anchor. It does appear that his string arm is aligned with his bow arm though, Thanks for the great vid..
Hi congratulations for this video. What about the release ?
What’s your favorite budget recurve bow for target shooting and hunting? I have a compound bow but I got tired of trying to set it up the way I thought I needed and it just simply being more complicated with everything on it. I’ve gave up on bow shooting till watching recurve videos and now I’ve watched a lot of yours and im glad I’ve found you! But what would be the best budget recurve bow for accuracy and hunting ability
@@oledevon The Hermit 10 ILF!
You are right about bow weight
Watching this video proved to me that I am overbowed. I can shoot a 3 shot group and one of them is so good that at the release I know it's hitting where I'm looking. The other 2 are off by several inches. I'm gonna have to drop bow weight as I can't unconsciously come to full draw with back tension. videoed myself after watching your vid and my elbow was often not aligned with the bowhand/arrow. Your shooting was beautiful.
@@blackshadowghoster01 thanks brother and dropping down in weight a little will definitely help!
Thank you Jeff! I learn something from all your videos. God bless
This is awesome information! This video really helped my shooting consistency. Thank you for the explanation in this video.
@@jaybryan9294 thanks so much for watching I’m glad it helped a little!
Great video Jeff. God bless you Brother. I’m curious do you ever do seminars?
@@thomaswise1934 actually never have lol
Great video thanks for sharing ive been battling inconsistent shooting for years ive tried lower poundage different anchors sometimes im right on the money but most of the time i hit a couple perfect the rest hit randomly everywhere
@@crookedwillar thank you so much I really appreciate that!
Whaiy
You said it's 95% mental! but
I’ve been shooting for well over sixty years. For me, there are two very important criteria for a good shot and that prevent string plucking and subsequently missing.
First, push with bow arm and pull with draw arm. Simply holding the bow and pulling the string, even if wrapping elbow, caused plucking.
Second, the alignment demonstrated in this video. Getting the drawing elbow aligned means I’m always getting the elusive “back tension.”
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it.
I push pretty well, but what I'm doing when I push can be out of wack. I have to remember to treat it like my draw hand on a pistol. I'm raising, extending, and POINTING at the target spot. Good advice.
Wonderful video Jeff I think you just gave me alot of insight into one of my shooting problems and why I have inconsistent shooting accuracy thank You so much
Thank you so much!
Iam with you on to much bow weight
Thanks Jeff,
Great video!!! Something I was looking for.
Btw, what kind of arrows are you using. I like the look. Can you send a link.
Thanks again
@@mariuszmarkiewicz5738 those are 3Rivers traditional only carbon arrows👍🏻
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thanks for the info
That intro music made me miss😂
Get a weight you can handle
I like all bows!
Excellent video. What quiver do you use?
@@Banpunv I strictly use a Selway strap on model for all my bows just because they’re excellent quality and last for years!
All your videos, in my opinion are the gospel 🙌 🙏 Iv saved all most every video you've made thank you Jeff God bless
I really appreciate that and I’m so glad you enjoyed them!
Thanks Jeff. I'm getting into barebow so I can do a better job of coaching my 4H shooters who don't have compounds. 90% of success is form and consistency. Each discipline has its own tips and techniques that improve success. With my NASP students I teach them the fish hook anchor (index finger on corner of smile), and inevitably someone will raise their anchor so they're looking down the arrow. If they are more accurate doing that, I just reinforce the need to make sure their anchor point is repeatable.
Amazing
Hands-down, one of your best videos !
Hi, Jeff. I've watched a whole bunch of your very good shooting-technique videos, but this one might be the best and most important you've produced. As I watched the first few minutes, I thought, "Isn't he showing us a very simple, clear way to achieve good 'back tension' without using the term?" Sure enough, at 6:19 into the video, you note that what you're talking about is establishing good back tension and achieving true CONSISTENCY in shooting accuracy, something that has eluded many of us.
If any of your followers want some additional support for your "argument" about taking the elbow ALL the way back and getting the draw arm into alignment with the bow arm, our mutual friend Clay Hayes has a gem on back tension: ruclips.net/video/HOSI5D52hpE/видео.html Thanks to you (and Clay), this critical part of shooting technique is no longer a complex anatomical mystery to me but rather a simple process that has quickly become automatic. Thank you, as always, Chris (in Maine)
Hello Jeff ! Thank you for the absolutely awesome video!! So informative. We spoke couple weeks ago and at that point you talked me into shooting a trad bow..Thank you very much buddy!! Any how im just getting started so i ordered a bow today on amazon!! Just wanting to try this as i have been a compound shooter for 50 yrs!! ir ordered a tidewe wooden takedown recurve at 35 pounds to start !! Im 63 and shoot my compound at 55 lbs. works for me and easy to draw . back in the early 90s i used to pull about 73 lbs. no need anymore with modern compounds as they are very fast now a days.. anyhow after taking 25 deer with a compound i feel i am ready to try trad shooting but seeing how my bow will be 35lbs it will just to get into the sport at least. if i get accurate like you its going to be fun!! Thanks again for your trad bow wisdom!!
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Great video again. What poundage bow is to light to work on form. I am shooting a 40# bow with a draw of 29 inches, which makes it about 42 or 43 pounds at my draw. Would you get a 30 or 35 pound bow to practice with to work on form?
Jeff, you do the same exact same release every time and how you shoot covers all the fundamentals of proper form, making for a very repeatable and stable shot. You tend to drop your string hand out and down upon release looks like a subtle pluck to me but you do it the exact same way every time so it won’t matter. After watching different ways of shooting, the way you shoot is pretty similar to mine. I think there is something to shooting faster for instinctive archers as well that can be very helpful, potentially it is your body mind connection that keeps your movement and focus all locked together and on auto pilot, drawing and holding seems to throw me off pretty bad…I hit anchor, squeeze back/elbow and let it fly. Fred bear described how he felt he had a rhythm to his shot, called himself a snap shooter, but he also had very good form and basics as you do. An instinctive hit realease and shoot type of shooting can be very accurate as modeled by yourself, Fred bear and Howard hill. All of you do this differently in small ways but the basics are all there. I tried shooting a clicker and gap etc and I hated it. Instinctive snap shooting is just fun and magical, the arrow just goes right where you want it.
i have to ask, have You ever thrown arrows with the ottoman bow the ottoman way?
maximum draw, twenty eight inches it stacks trying to draw it beyond that or at least two out of the three i have do, the one which is a True replica of the mediaeval ottoman bow could not draw passed twenty eight when she was new, now she'll draw to twenty nine buy it's a huge effort.
by the ottoman way i mean throwing from the thumb side of the bowhand rather than the knuckle side like most modern archers teach.
back tension - for i that translates as "back khatra", i use "forward khatra" to initiate the release with the bowhand and then "back khatra" occurs as the tension held in the arms and shoulders by the act of holding the bowstring at full draw is released, that causes the bowhand to naturally move the bow out of the way of both the physics involved by the flexing of the arrow and also the fletchings, the bow is simply not there anymore by the time the arrow or the fletchings are, over twenty eight inches on a fast throwing bow.
i honestly thought it can't be True until i learned how.
Nice job with your explanation, I have 30+ years shooting trad and if someone asked me about form, I would send them your way because I didn't think I could tell the story as good.
I shoot both compound & traditional. I'm much better with the compound. But love the challenge of traditional.
Great tips and shooting. I have been thinking of getting back into Trad archery after many years away and have been looking online at some different custom bows and reviews. Got to say out of all the videos I have watched your bow by far is the quietest. To me that is a much appreciated attribute. Shooting deer with a dead quiet bow keeps there reaction low. Now you have me thinking maybe I need one of your bows.
Changed my anchor after watching this , I've had my finger at the corner of my mouth anchor since I started shooting recurve-bows a couple of years ago . Wow! Big ,instant improvement and as easy as pie to get used too , more natural better alignment instantly, I'd just never thought to try it until I watched this ...cheers Jeff your a bloody legend
Thanks for sharing this.
Part of what you are talking about is consistency in your draw, ensuing you repeat the process each time. The other part which is either more crucial is body and shoulder alignment.
Ironically I was discussing this with a new archer shooting a trad flatow on Friday and explaining the importance of alignment.
It is something I've discussed and coach numerous students on .
Last thing is thanks for saying about over bowing or drawing too heavy a bow too
Awesome tutorial as always, thanks Jeff. Dr. did some back surgery on me so I'm in dry-dock for a while, can't wait to work on your tips and start flinging sticks again!
Thanks for all you do for archery Jeff. I’ve never been what I consider a great shot but have become a much better shot with much tighter groups from watching your videos and content… This video was a great reminder, I watched it and grabbed my bow with a couple of sticks and cranked out 20 great shots.
Thanks a million for your time and instruction!!!
I struggle with this alot. Im getting better but i still have to check myself all the time. And i dont think none archers realise how hard this is, because it is hard, im doing better but not 100%, so this was probably for me the most helpful video youve done. Thankyou and godbless.
Ohh so you rotate the shoulder after anchor? Because my friend noticed i try while im pulling back and he said that wont be consistent. So is he correct?
Good job
Great video Jeff!
Can you cover your hook in one of your future videos?
That may help lots of us.
Not training the eyes can be a factor. In Martial arts we do training to not blink