2023 Civic Type R FL5 Touge Run // Onboard with Keiichi Tsuchiya Maximum Attack
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Flat out winding roads drive with pedal cam at the Gunma Cycle Sports Center circuit. Vehicle: 2023 Honda Civic Type R 2.0L K20 turbo with 6-speed manual, equipped with Modulo accessories. Credit: Honda
good to see Tsuchiya san is still going strong! he's a legend
This man is the king!
Yea he is king himself
"DRIFT KING KEICHI TSUCHIHA"
One thing stands out to me in all the FL5 videos - how bouncy it looks inside. Appreciate this is probably+R, but apparently comfort isn't much better
Agreed, so much so that tsuchiya prefers it in sport rather than +R mode, as seen in another video and I believe here as well since it's not displaying the +R mode cluster
To be fair, you're not buying a type R for comfort. You're buying it to get the best track performance. You can supplement it with thicker sidewalks however.
@@thegirthquake8574 you kinda are though, if it was strictly about performance you would buy an actual track car. the point of the type r is being an all in one car, that you can drive to work and enjoy at the track. most of these cars will never see a track.
@@Weimerica8841 Noo the purpose of the type R is for the track. You CAN use it as a all in one but the purpose of its performance is built for the track. So no, you aren’t buying a type r for comfort. You are buying it because of its performance.
@@Longtimec If it was for the track it wouldn't have back seats. It would have a roll cage and a fixed seat. It would be rear wheel drive. It would have a bespoke chassis. It's a tuned commuter car that you can drive at the track. It's not a track car.
Legend💯
great tyres
Finally a good video of someone driving and pushing this car, not just a walk around of how it looks from 100 percent of the american youtubers put up.
Dude it's Keiichi Tsuchiya 😅
True every one on the american side are just shilling the car
then you havent seen the reviews lol. @@thedailyruns6046
you havent seen shit then lol
Gan san did something similar when the ek9 was new. Deja vu
Both of them are civic, they're basically siblings
Both of them are legends. See Gan San at Nurburgring with an S2000, beautiful driving
How did you find this video? It’s satisfying to see DK run full gunsai. Would like to see more
Best motoring
@@topheavyteggy8232 No, there is nothing. It is from the japanese "Honda Access" channel. Here we have just a part of it uploaded.
Or hot version
They have a Chanel on RUclips but doing Japanese only without sub
Try Miroshi
Amazing driving, this track is so narrow and bumpy, looks difficult.
Honda messed up the damper tuning again (FK8 was bouncy in +R as well, but this is actually worse).. I know I only used +R on my FK8 a handful of times as it was pretty bouncy (over dampened) on the street. The ladies definitely don't like their tatas bouncing around like that, even if I do.. At least you can go "BMW Mode" and keep the +R throttle and a softer suspension setting.
@@dre32pitt can’t blame them, that’s mainly how they get rid of the understeer, lots of compromises
@@30hours51 I get your point, but you'd hope for a $5k+ increase in price they'd make it at least a little better and not worse lol.
@@dre32pitt This new model is tuned more for Japanese tastes, which are for stiffer suspension. The old Japanese-market FD2 Civic Type R sedan had extremely stiff suspension, much stiffer than the European-market FN2 Civic Type R or North American-market FG2 or FA5 Civic Si. Supposedly it is to make the FL5 capable of handling modern track day tyres like the RE71RS or A052. 🙂
Previously Honda had made the FK8 more compliant than the predecessor FK2 Civic Type R (probably in response to complaints of the FK2 Type R having a hard ride), which I'm not sure everyone was a fan of... Even if the FK8 still had immediate enough transient response for most people. (Obviously upping the damping rates or bushing stiffness increases the transient response rate of the vehicle, I think the latter is what Honda have done for the FL5 and maybe the former, though I think I heard that the actual spring rates of the FL5 are not too different than the FK8.)
@tassielorenzo7070 a good stiff suspention is very different from a bouncy damper my G; honda fucked up the suspention on the FL5 Period. That bounciness is so bad it bounces more than a coilovers.
66 y.o.
still going .
Man’s footwork is the stuff of dreams
Curious to see how Seeker/J's will tune it. Funny fact: They already used 265/275 section 18" tires on their tuned FK8s (stock they are 245 section 20") and now the serial production FL5 CTR comes with 265 section 19" tires. Lessons learned? ;)
They used 295 on the FD2
The FL5 is bigger, heavier and slightly more powerful. It's only logical to go with wider tires. Watch Seeker tune these with 285 or 295's even.
@@armando_alves I am very well aware of Seeker‘s tunes (as I wrote above). But we are talking about OEM tire specs..
From FK2 to FK8 they only went up one step in width (from 235 to 245) but now they did two (from 245 to 265). And the FL5 is only 70-80 kg heavier than the FK8.
Seeker used 295's in the front and 265's in the rear. Not a 265 square setup.
Additionally, Seeker runs it with around 5 degrees of camber from the looks of it at the front and maybe 3-3.5 degrees in the rear, maybe even 4.
They also run it at 410 horsepower, but the difference to other tuning shops like J's and Spoon is that Seeker messed with how boost ramps in, so it not only allows the car to accelerate faster, but it doesn't just absolutely wheelspin. As such, muuuuuuch more grip overall and can keep up with much faster cars like the GTR's while still having a full interior
That funny fact isn’t really indicative of any lessons learned by Honda - Both sides have the car dialled with different intentions under different restrictions and power figures
I wish there was a channel that still regularly showed him doing these badass togue runs
I wish there was a RUclips Channel that regularly posts touge runs all over japan from different driver.
It would be quite enjoyable.
There is. Try Miroshi. And Best Motoring. You’re missing out
@@boboutelama5748miroshi & Best Motoring. Check them out
I do wish Honda had sorted the dashboard in the FK8 to the amazing design of the FL5. So much information and all of it relevant and useful in the FL5, the FK8 dash was a poorly designed dog's breakfast.
I disagree. I cannot stand the screen interfering with my view.
@@genetung8590 Dash = Instrument Cluster, not the infotainment. They got the infotainment position right in the FK8, but not the gauge cluster. The FL5 instrument cluster is miles ahead, but the infotainment is poorly placed.
the fl5 infotainment doesnt really bother as much because its always just three in your line of sight. FK8 is worse because you need to actively look downwards to see whats on the screen. in either case you can drive the car without needing to look at the screen so its really up to you
It looks quicker than the FK8 stock for stock, any input?
The wider tyres and stiffer chassis on the FL5 means it should definitely be quicker on the track and in turns than a FK8; however it is just a little slower in a drag race.
Throttle House did 2 great videos on the Honda Civic Type R!
Someone add a eurobeat to this lol
Or 'Set me free again'
would chicken out at that speed!
80km/h n my car would be the maximum in that kind of road!
He's been driving around Gunsai for about 20 years or so, to be fair! He must know it like the back of his hand.
totally agree
@@SmallBlogV8and he was already doing street racing at usui pass since the 80's, imagine 40 years of driving like crazy without seeing the corner, no wonder he rarely got into accident.
he floored the accelerator all the time~
guy is literally being doing this for almost 40 years, actual beast!
It is great performance cars like this FL5 Civic Type R that inspire people to become Honda fans, Porsche fans, BMW fans, Ford fans, Merc fans, and Hyundai fans. People make dedicated channels just to share and discuss cars, performance, and technology because there is passion. And with that enthusiasm they will tune in every Sunday to watch their favorite motorsports teams race with car manufacturers’ badges proudly displayed on the F1 cars, and on their driveway’s cars. That is why F1 has Honda fans, Mercedes fans, McLaren fans, and Renault fans. That is also why, Ford, Porsche, Audi, BMW, Toyota, Infiniti, and Hyundai all belong in F1. Not pathetic billionaire pet projects like Haas, Williams, and Andretti. The only reason why Stroll’s presence is tolerated is because he named his team Aston Martin. As opposed to the Latifi and Mazepin billionaire daddy clown show that both failed to buy new F1 teams for their underperforming sons.
Very much agree, though personally I don't mind that Williams is owned by investment bankers now. That's better than losing the famous Williams team. There are some fascinating BBC Horizon documentaries following Williams made in 1982, 1988 and 1993 IIRC. (Williams were temporally quite set back by Honda leaving in '88, though I guess Honda were mad at Piquet not being made the clear number one driver over Mansell.)
Huh.. is Gunsai, always this short?
I recall there is another part of the track after the second Touge.
Or maybe i mistaken it with another track
It has always been this short if You ever watched the Hot Version Touge Battles since 2000.
Gunsai has always been a very short road course.
ようこんな飛ばせるな(褒め言葉
Amazing, just need english captions
For anyone wondering what he’s saying, he’s basically yelling out “VTEC!”, “VTECH kicking in”, and “HERE COMES VTEC” over and over again.
It’s turbo charged
@@arcadyskoit it has both a turbo and vtec
Cannot wait to get my hands on one of these. Perfect everyday car for me.
Not in R mode?
The car handles bumps better in normal mode.
@@notoymotor4me64 it looks like sport mode, the normal mode would probably be too soft
@@SuperSupertube123 You are correct. That's what I meant to say.
No need , the driver is already in R mode
in the full video he tried all 3 modes on this road and decided to use Sport mode to attack the touge. He said R mode is for smooth surface racetracks, too bumpy for touge
Narrow circuit, kinda like like rally stage
That one bump that i can feel
all thee videos ive been seeing the car seems really bouncy
No left foot braking at all so the car must be quite neutral with little to no understeer
Can confirm.
Where you get this video cause I can't find at best motoring account or dk television account?
I guess from the japanese "Honda Access" channel
It's in the style of Best Motoring, but this video is from Honda.
very nice!
damn civic a little too hard suspension it seems, for this course anyways I’m sure smoother routes its fine
DK Tsuchiya ain't god hand or god foot
He's just god
I think I speak for the majority of us, "We need an interpreter"
Such good driving! More! 🤩
流石です！土屋さんはもう人間国宝か狂った老人のどっちかですよ😊🎉
Wich part does it have on ?
It has some Honda Modulo styling parts -- the gear knob and the mirror covers.
Vai Dhaka Moulavi bazar er ticket koto ?
Kindly janaben ki ?
There's just something about him attacking those hairpin corners that makes it so satisfying
Premesso che il pilota ha certamente una guida efficace, mi chiedo perché faccia il punta tacco? Ha disinserito il rew matching o nella type r non c'è?
I would like to see Keiichi Tsuchiya driving the Williams clio kit car.
Dorifuto kingu
I though the car did the rev-matching automatically when in Sport mode; why the tip-and-toe when downshifting?
When you downshifted like this for decades, it will be the natural way, even if it's unnecessary.
You can turn off auto rev matching too
He always did it entire his life. This is natural for him. It was in his DNA.
Look whos driving. I figured he wouldnt need anything like auto rev matching
turn it off
Why in sport mode and not in R+?
R-mode is not ideal unless you're driving on a prepped race track.
R+ mode is viewed as too stiff by a lot of people, making the car's bump absorption sub-par and not suitable for bumpy surfaces like in this vid and numerous other tracks. R+ would excel at circuits with smooth tarmac surfaces, touge tracks usually have very bumpy roads so a soft suspension would excel in this case.
crazy fast
This is art.
Quick but the styling is terrible on these now
とっても簡単そうに ドライブしてるけんど風景の流れてる スピードが半端なぃです、
恐怖の連続、 速え〜 は良いですけど観てるほぅは 怖ぇー です。
the audio quality is worst than the NSX video from nearly 3 decades back.
Sadly that's just what the CTR sounds like I think, no glorious induction noise (NA Hondas were always louder in-car than turbo cars on Best Motoring, though the in-built GoPro microphone here isn't great). There's just the active sound module which isn't that loud. The front resonator delete like on the stock Integra Type S seems like the way to go! The Type R is made to stricter Japanese noise standards.
Amazing driving
İntial d beat 😂 legend ☝️
土屋さんのドラテクは相変わらず凄いですね✨🤗
頭悪いけどね
なんつっても国語力低すぎ
小学生のほうがまともな日本語喋ってる(笑)
hayai!
the ride quality looks non existent.
its not a luxury car...
@@dp.mk7419 no but it is a road car that is track capable so it needs to do both. Comfort mode should be comfortable. Early reports are it is not.
Needs softer springs
@@davidferman51 There's no free lunch, you would lose transient response.
@@davidferman51 Springs are fine, almost the same as the FK8. Problem is that they turned the dampers up to 11. FK8 was already slightly overdamped in +R so adding even more damping is pointless. If anything it would probably be less of a rollercoaster with stiffer springs fitted.
Damn that’s awesome
They haven't fixed the overheating issue. It started to overheat @ 2:47
acuity has a proper solution to it but its not out for streetcars yet
Throw a turbo on a integra type r and itll be faster
OG Integra Type R? Of course! It's a lot lighter. With 300-something hp from a turbo B18, it's far superior to the new car on power-to-weight (though the CTR's power to weight is pretty good, better than many other sport compacts, cough WRX STi, Golf R). The first generation 1994-1999 WRX STi is still the fastest one, due to being the lightest, the later ones did not gain more power than the weight increased...
@@TassieLorenzo never understood that about Subaru. The Impreza just went downhill after it’s first generation. They still made some great cars, but the Evo’s were just better.
tbh the new WRX is the only car in its class (type R included) you can get at or below MSRP, which is kinda sad. but hey 1.9% financing for 72 months+400hp with a simple tune @@AnthonyParrilloRI
えっぐ
Why he's not on r+
Because it’s too bumpy!
what does he mean level is high?
The level of the Run even in Half Wet conditions, the car was able to not slide and maintain a lot of grip and the level of security He felt about the car in this condition.
"Level is high" usually means the car is behaving really well and balanced even during cornering.
😍
incredibly stable car, maybe even too much. I would have preferred a more nervous rear.
the hyundai n products are probably what you are looking for then (idk where you live though lol)
You can tune that in your car with an alignment (toe out in the rear or less camber in the rear) but to have a car this planted from the factory is impressive. I could also see people doing to 275 front tires 265 rear to change the balance
Why? So you can wrap yourself around a tree?
@@BRAINFxck10 he's one of those people who swear by oversteer. Id say let him have his fun and let natural selection do the rest
Zero body roll
He's driven the fk8 and fl5 on the same day in a different video...he seems to have more fun in the fk8.
link?
Why he press gas pedal while downshift?
rev matching
👌
There are some great things about the fl5, but I can’t help but focus on the things that aren’t that good. First of all is the bhp, now I know that power isn’t the be all and end all, and I know that a type r isn’t meant to be a straight line weapon but for Honda to only give it 10 hp more than the fk8 is a let down. I mean it’s so easy to extract extra power from modern turbo engines. Second is the gearing, not sure why they have given it a longer final drive? Then third is the infotainment screen, why couldn’t they have made it fold away or something rather than being stuck on and distracting, it’s the only thing that isn’t super clean about the interior imo.
310hp is MORE than enough for a car like this. it will do 150+mph no problem
they gave it a longer FD because fk8 owners were blowing through gears on shorter courses, also give it more top speed
the inoftainment screen is also easier to see now
I’m actually way more better than him to crush in 5 seconds