What he wanted was for his government not to bend him over and stick it to him, and the rest of the Middle Class, by giving everything to the oligarchs. He wanted fairness. We all want that. Some want to hurt everyone not like them in order to get it. Some want everyone to be treated fairly regardless. And look where we are now...
@lancer525 : Except, of course, if government is doing all those Bad Things(tm), it is only because voters put into office exactly the people who will screw the country over for money and no others every election cycle.
The background to this was Toby losing a bet to Josh earlier in the day and having to introduce himself to everyone he met as 'I'm Toby Zeigler. I work at the White House' . Josh's gesture @ 4:26 was to say that he shouldn't do it to this guy but Toby said it anyway because he knew that Donna had been right.
I always liked this guy. I think he gives a great example of what most people actually want, and what the government can give. Not taking away the fulfillment of accomplishing something yourself, just making it a little easier to do so.
@ I think it was episode 3 season 4 where they are campaigning for re-election. Josh and CJ are at a student rally, in Boston(?) and Toby back in Washington phone the man to discuss their budget plans. I will check back through my DVDs
Best part is how many ever episodes later this storyline gets brought back up. And Josh screams at Toby because of Matt trying to send his kid to Notre Dame.
Donna hit the nail on the head here. Time and time again its forgotten that yes the big ticket things are super important but you can't make those big ticket decisions if you aren't in power and to get into power you have to speak to the electorate and find out not only what they want but what they need. These days more than ever we just need things to be a little bit easier, not a free ride just a little bit easier.
Donna would have been a Swell Politician....Honest, Trustworthy, Believable AND No Phony Baloney Facade! She would have gotten my Vote no matter what side of the aisle I sat on. On a side note, stop the video @ exactly 4:40 and look at Josh's reaction when Toby tells Matt who he is and where he works!
The only thing that bugs me is the solution to the problems the "normal people" are bringing up is to be educated and vote for politicians who will help instead of hurt.
I’ve watched this scene dozens of times over the years. Watching it now, that’s *exactly* what popped into my mind. I get that, by dropping Biden and catapulting Harris, they needed to rapidly change course in the tone and emphasis of the campaign. But honestly, as great as the Biden-Harris administration has been over the last 4 years, Biden should’ve announced he’d be a 1-term president at the start. That would’ve created a wholly different dynamic in the country, the Capitol, everything.
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This father was one of the most genuine characters I think we had on the West Wing. One who just wanted a little help from his government.
What he wanted was for his government not to bend him over and stick it to him, and the rest of the Middle Class, by giving everything to the oligarchs. He wanted fairness. We all want that. Some want to hurt everyone not like them in order to get it. Some want everyone to be treated fairly regardless. And look where we are now...
tHaT's SoCiAlIsM! 😂
@lancer525 : Except, of course, if government is doing all those Bad Things(tm), it is only because voters put into office exactly the people who will screw the country over for money and no others every election cycle.
I love how Donna smacks Toby and Josh around without ever raising her voice.
and how right she is.
The background to this was Toby losing a bet to Josh earlier in the day and having to introduce himself to everyone he met as 'I'm Toby Zeigler. I work at the White House' . Josh's gesture @ 4:26 was to say that he shouldn't do it to this guy but Toby said it anyway because he knew that Donna had been right.
These clips still make me get weepy again and again all these years later.
This show will be the best intersection or art imitating life that you’ll ever see….in television. 😉 📺
This episode in particular had a few of them.
Me too.
I always liked this guy. I think he gives a great example of what most people actually want, and what the government can give. Not taking away the fulfillment of accomplishing something yourself, just making it a little easier to do so.
This scene was SO well written. Real people. And even though they really tried to make it happen, in the end most was cut after all. That was hard.
One of my favorite scenes.
Yes one of the many incredible scenes that can out of The West Wing. There must have been someone who had a knack for writing,
The follow up to this scene was when Toby phones him at his home! He was more than a little surprised!
What episode?
@ I think it was episode 3 season 4 where they are campaigning for re-election. Josh and CJ are at a student rally, in Boston(?) and Toby back in Washington phone the man to discuss their budget plans. I will check back through my DVDs
@ thank you !
Best part is how many ever episodes later this storyline gets brought back up. And Josh screams at Toby because of Matt trying to send his kid to Notre Dame.
One of the best scenes ever
20 hours in America were the two best episodes of the series.
IMO Donna was the main character who spoke for the viewers.
She often is, her position in the show is as an audience proxy so Josh can explain stuff to her and in turn the audience.
Ohhh I so loved Donna, intelligent and pretty
Donna hit the nail on the head here. Time and time again its forgotten that yes the big ticket things are super important but you can't make those big ticket decisions if you aren't in power and to get into power you have to speak to the electorate and find out not only what they want but what they need. These days more than ever we just need things to be a little bit easier, not a free ride just a little bit easier.
donna’s hair is so gorgeous here
Donna would have been a Swell Politician....Honest, Trustworthy, Believable AND No Phony Baloney Facade! She would have gotten my Vote no matter what side of the aisle I sat on. On a side note, stop the video @ exactly 4:40 and look at Josh's reaction when Toby tells Matt who he is and where he works!
There’s still time.
Looking soo nice.😊
It should be hard...but it should be a little bit easier. 😢
I don't know why I clicked like this was new 😂😂
Because it’s the West Wing. You don’t need a reason to click on it. 😁
The only thing that bugs me is the solution to the problems the "normal people" are bringing up is to be educated and vote for politicians who will help instead of hurt.
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I hate to say it, but the Harris campaign should have watched this clip every morning during the campaign. :(
Can't help but think the real life Democrats should have taken Donna's advice this year.
If you really understand and you’re watching this 2024 you know :40 this is the reason the democrats lost
I’ve watched this scene dozens of times over the years.
Watching it now, that’s *exactly* what popped into my mind.
I get that, by dropping Biden and catapulting Harris, they needed to rapidly change course in the tone and emphasis of the campaign.
But honestly, as great as the Biden-Harris administration has been over the last 4 years, Biden should’ve announced he’d be a 1-term president at the start. That would’ve created a wholly different dynamic in the country, the Capitol, everything.
Every Dem leader should be forced to watch this.
What?
And what should a Republican leader be forced to watch?A G.I. Joe cartoon?
As opposed to the republican leadership, those famous representatives of working class America.
Every dem leader has every scene from every season memorized.
Every person in politics.