Stop Being Perfect: How to Throw Lead Hooks from Your Rear Hand
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- This is the correct way to load and telegraph your punches while being off balance and throwing lead hand punches from your rear hand.
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I really can’t help it Mike
Little brother energy.
Based.
What percentage of the kids in your class are taller than Mike?
What can't you help?
@@KungFuCooter throwing everything perfectly
Gotta learn to do it perfect so you can learn to do it wrong.
Remember when Connor said all Kahbib does is close his eyes look down and throw an overhand? What did Conner get hit with when they fought?
That "wrong" overhand.
Bingo.
Ouch
Its not wrong at all Conor is just tallking shot. Good wrestlers love overhands cause they make people drop guard easily threatening a takedown
@@dikobraz9247 exactly! Tyron Woodley's ONLY punch was pretty much the overhand. Sure it's probably "wrong" in a boxing only context, but in the context of MMA and you have a mean ass double leg? They have no choice but to take that guess of "do I sprawl or do I slip/block?". And if they guess wrong they're on the ground, either knocked out or with you on top.
Gotta learn the rules before you break them
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
97% of scientists agree with that.
Dad?
Sex panther
@@TobyW360
I read somewhere that according to one study only 60% of women report orgasm during sex.
So when I heard that sex panther line that's what I thought of
100% fact the people that comment "oooooh your big toe on your rear foot was only pointing 46 degrees when it should have been 75 degrees when you threw that front hook" have never actually sparred with a high level striker. If everyone learns the same shit everyone is going to know how to defend the same shit. Learn the "basics" then make it your own
75 degrees for a front hook you mean when you pivot Yh?
“No one knows who you are!” - most accurate jab in this video.
Im getting a lot of “You’re not as good as you think so Fuck around and find out what works” energy.
Unorthodox but brilliant.
Very few champs were actually perfect in their form I find every great always does something that rubs coaches the wrong way
Whether it be hands down or whatever
Stop being perfect?
Jokes on you I've never even tried 😂
"I will destroy you ungracefully."
My new catchphrase
Moral of the story: Learn the rules so you know how to break/bend the rules
I must be one of the greatest fighters in the world then.
“tHaTS WroNg” *cuts to Ali knocking out Liston with the exact same punch.
Ye but that fight was fixed.
There’s a reason its called the phantom punch.
For people who don’t know the mob had threatened Listons Family to throw the fight.
I’m still also not sure how Ali phantom punch worked but a RUclipsr called The Modern Martial artist breaks it down and explains is better than I can; it’s worth watching and makes it less skeptical
@@periodic98 bruh it's just a left that Sonny literally walked into with all his weight and didn't expect. It grazed his chin with all the mass he carried forward, and he just fell
The high level guys CAN do it incorrect, because they are high level guys. Mayweather kept his hands up until he got so good he didnt have to.
@@HarryGreenMathematician J R said Mayweather, for whatever reason Empnada is thinking Ali.
@@empnadajhhh9469 maybe let the fighters decide whether their careers are meaningful. Many would say that whatever you do for a living is meaningless
@@empnadajhhh9469 Learn who floyd mayweather is before you dismiss fighting. He doesn't have Parkinson and he's only been hit solidly a handful of times. Have some consideration for other peoples points of view and stop being a pussy. Life is dangerous. You get hurt sometimes.
@@josephsackett8485 definitely more meaningful than his since this guy doesnt even understand what gives things meaning
@@empnadajhhh9469 meaningless 😂😂😂 making millions and establishing a great career is meaningless? You don’t even know who floyd is 🤣🤣 Parkinson’s?
Overthinking is the worst thing to do
It's actually very similar to competitive video games. The high level guys always follow a different game plan than what is considered correct. They can bend the rules because their understanding is just leaps and bounds above
It's true at a high level of everything
Love it. Been at MMA gyms for 17 years. Helped manage a big one with a UFC champ and plenty in Bellator and UFC. What you are saying is so true. Congrats. Also--love you Stephen Thompson, wherever you may be!
11:11 all the "it" factor you could ever want. Get that man a contract!! Been watching these vids for a minute now, seems like a great day to send up a shout out to all the boys (and the lovely Mrs. Icey Mike) that help make these videos awesome. From holding pads to holding cameras, I appreciate y'all on the daily. Good job team, keep up the good work.
"Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an (martial) artist."
That face the floor overhand right is one of my favorite sneaky bullshit strikes to throw, gets everyone at least once.
Excellent video!
Jabing with the rear hand is a go to for us southpaws as you step outside. It covers your movement and lets you take an angle.
Exactly I’m a southpaw too i use these punches and have low hands it definitely works
I have a class full of white belts. They already throw everything wrong. I hope they don't see this video until after they get the basics down.
Even if they were black belts your students wouldn't be able to do shit in this video because it's like Taekwondo.
@@TheAbysmalBrute I teach taekwondo
@@KungFuCooter yeah you dont teach punches thats y you wouldn't want ur students learning this. They wouldn't even know what to do with this knowledge anyways. Taekwondo is not very practical for mma or self defense
7:00 i swear Conor McGregor knocked eddie down with that rear jab.
Thank you for this, Mike. Great fun and really useful (being a boxer myself). Great entertainment, and much food for thougt. (I will make sure that my son - or any of the boxers I train - never watches this, though) 😀(I wouldn't be able to cope with their sloppy fundamentals)😀
Hey! Don't limit creativity or else we will jab you from our rear
For fighters Timing, Accuracy, Sense of Distance, Angle, Cardio and Reaction time are more important factors than Technique, Power and Speed
Angle refers to footwork, correct? Feel like its one of the greatest ways to beat a physically superior fighter.
I'm one minute into this video and I have discovered, I am the perfect fighter
So it's ok to be a right-handed southpaw now right?
He'll never acknowledge us
@@nanayawberko3212 The Right-Hand Southpaw Crew will not be marginalized
I switch stances a lot. It seems to be a trend.
Good information,
This video seemed to approach the subject from a competition perspective so the questions are: does proper technique help protect the hands when you don't have pads/gloves to protect them. Would you use an unorthodox strike that could increase the possibility of self injury in a street/self defense situation?
I do think some of those situational punches can be thrown safely without gloves, but probably not all of them. To me it seems to boil down to a risk/reward concept, that may not matter much when sometimes you just need something to land, and/or you don't have the luxury of time to weigh out your options.
That's worth some consideration. I think all of this would work given you use moderate power.
Note to self: *inject flavor*
I can only knock out people with real perfect teknik...
ps: in da streetz
"The lead straight isn't a proper punch 😱😭"
Yea tell that to Kamaru Usman who dropped Gilbert Burns & defended his title with that exact punch lol
Muhammad Ali‘s trainers used to always badger him for his bad technique
Apparently
I like this video. I grew up having to fight all the time. I got most of my incorrect techniques from fighting bullies. My methods may not look crisp, but I don't get hit a lot, and I hit hard
when Isreal Adesanya fought Robert Whittiker he punched moving backwards with his chin way up in the air and hands down, and his other hand was a mile from his face, and knocked him out... twice. However you have to be careful when breaking rules, because Luke Rockhold disengaged a clinch with his chin up and got starched by Jan. The commentators will point out "that's why you keep your chin down" but fail to mention that Adesanya did something wrong and won a title with it, and has kept his title by mostly doing things wrong, yet is touted as one of the best strikers in mma. Why? because it is effective.
Little bit agree with you and some whatever don’t lol,I believe hands down unorthodox stuff is definitely needed to,look at best boxers and even Mma normally unorthodox with the way they fight,but you got to remember all these same guys teach beginners to do the basics first,then you can take libertys change things up,always better to have perfect technique first,end day boxing in particular fundamentals work,fury vs wilder and Joshua vs usyk prime two examples of this,wilder sloppy no skills all had was a wild right hand,but fury outboxed him,usyk the same with Joshua was he’s perfect boxing technique and skills that outwitted Joshua,but do agree with Mike in some things he’s saying good to have something different in the locker
These are both great. You're right that strategy is greater than technique. Anything that screws with what an opponent is used to seeing can be super useful. Every good coach will tell you that the punch that KO's someone is one that they don't see coming and don't expect. Bad-looking kicks make for awesome feints. Just one example of how you can open up someone's face with something that non-actual fighters probably think looks dumb. A real fighter sees something that can screw with people and will appreciate that. The truth is you don't always need all of your power to land, sometimes you need like 80% in the right place and at the right angle/distance. That's from someone that fought at 153 lbs. Pretty small and not inhumanly strong. But shit adds up, especially funky shit in the good spots.
I'm righty but fight southpaw (I did jeet kune do for a while and just got pretty comfortable with my good side, first. You can be quicker and stronger with your good hand and pretty much anyone can get hip-twist with practice and so power with your rear hand). I did this jab a lot. Most kickboxers and boxers that I sparred with or fought don't really care about getting hit by jabs. They're worried about what follows it. Until one really hurts, then they get confused. That second or two can open up their body for a kick or give you time to get space where it's comfortable for you. Or let you get closer so you can clinch and slam them. It's a real good way for them to give up their legs, too, so you can take them down. I specifically heard a boxing coach yell at me for hooking like this, also. "Just because Ali did it doesn't mean you can make it work." Uh, sure I can, silly, that's why your best guys are all cheering. That wasn't the right coach for me. I'd have kept doing muay thai fights if my knees didn't quit on me and doc convinced me that I had enough concussions. Through football, karate and kickboxing I was probably over 10. We didn't know every KO was one, then. I'm glad i stopped.
I just realized Mike is the Bill Burr of martial arts
Like drawing, you need to know the rules before you can break them.
That's okay Nate, I said jab too...
We all did
Great video! There are some silly MMA striking classes out there for sure. I've been blessed to have some good ones, though. One ended up coaching at the MMA Lab and cornering Benson Henderson after leaving the gym I was at prior, and he coached similarly to yourself. "The way you train is the way you fight. If you want to be able to pull off something flashy, you need to practice it here where you're safe first!" He'd say basically that just about every single class and encouraged playing with new techniques.
I agree with everything you’re saying but also I’m the “hands up, chin down, you fuck”instructor.
Master your fundamentals so that you can be more creative with them
So... About the toes thing the giant was talking about?
imma get screeched at..but Bruce talked about being uncrispy (unrelatible and off rhythm and form) while fighting to create a sense of confusion for yiur opponet since most are classicly trained for seeing perfect timing, rythm and technique. Mike's right to say stop being perfect.
Mike after 1 (one) Ryan Hoover: It's all cotextual, it depends.
I love how in the beginning of his videos I’m always like “wtf is he talking about?” And as the video progresses you have these lightbulb moments
thats cuz he's good at fighting, and at explaining things. two things that make a good coach.
Came for the mediocre teaching, stayed for the mediocre technique
You should watch the former SAS soldier Phil Campion on the range explaining that technique is a way to get everything right before the firing pin hits the cap, but if you can do that independently of all the rules it's just as accurate. Quite interesting.
Great video! I've been doing the lead straight for years. I put a lot of shoulder torque into it.
That first lead straight is something I've seen both Howard Winston and Willie Pep use often in their fight footage.
Olexandr Usyk actually does the “lead straight” that you teach in this video often. He will throw light quick jabs to keep his opponents on guard and then once in a while fire a lead straight to break through his opponent’s guard. Modern Martial Artist has a great breakdown on it.
There's this younger kid in my boxing gym that does that look at the floor thing while he's dodging strikes... I keep telling him to stop.
I'm just going to tell him to add a hook/overhand to it.
What’s icier than icy mike tho
first, you learn the rules. Second, you get REALLY REALLY good at follwing the rules. Then, and ONLY then, you break the rules.
Muhammad ali circled toward the power side, crossed his feet, kept his hands low, threw his jab elbow first, dropped his jab hand when he threw his cross WHILE crossing his feet, bounced on one foot, ect.
This is a psa from a formerly (wishful thinking) mediocre jabrony
Gabriel Varga has a pretty good point of working in slightly wrong technique (missing, the guy stepping out of range etc.) Into pad work/shadow boxing.
I've always thought that the whole point of drilling technique and correct form etc is so you _could_ mix it up and develop your own "style" from a solid base.
I'm often faced with this requirement of a perfect technique as an Aikidoka:
- You will NEVER make a person fly through the air like this!!!!! Bu-ha-ha-ha!
- B..ch! Are they on the ground? Are they NOT! punching me in the face any more? Then I Win!🤷
Once you understand the rules well enough, you know when it's ok to bend them
Didn't we all just watch Deontay Wilder? The man is what, 42-0 against anyone not named Tyson Fury?
If you were a martial artist in a bubble, and I showed you Deontay throwing punches, you'd be like.. who tf is this amateur?
Oh ya know, only the (probable) 2nd best HW of his era.
I've seen him doing pad work, and he can be way more technical than he often shows in the ring. But when the rubber meets the road, he knows what works from going through 45 professional boxing fights, and dozens of amateur and Olympic level matches.
Does that mean you don't work on the fundamentals of fighting? Absolutely not. You should still drill to learn the "ideal" way to throw your strikes. But to your point, real fights rarely are ideal. At least have an idea of what to do when you are caught off balance, between strikes, throwing after being rocked, etc.
As someone who trained for the street (as cringe as it is to even type that, it's true) doing things wrong is EVEN BETTER in ACTUAL combat scenarios. That position you put yourself into with your head low could just as easily have been followed up with an uppercut to his balls and you would have gotten the full force of your legs, your back, your arm, your shoulders ALL into his junk as you stood up and rocked his shit.
People who think fighting has to be done technically at all times are like people who believe ART has to be made a certain way. It's too naturally chaotic to be so strictly defined.
Hi
Max Holloway and Dom Cruz are some of the best fighters in the world, ever, and have the weirdest footwork, weirdest hand movements, etc. When Max was talking to the commentary team while breaking Kattar's face, his hands were down as he snapped jabs and crosses. When you're just that good, you can be that "bad".
Manny Pacquiao throws his punches "wrong". Most boxing instructors and most gyms will tell you NOT to box like him. I guess that's why Manny never made it past the amateur stage.
greatest part about this whole learn it right to do it wrong concept is I have actually even seen this work in a street fight. 6'3 245lb Australian dude was harassing a 5'7 165lb Hispanic/Filipino looking gentleman in a bar I used to frequent, 1st punch slipped was a left hook from the bigger guy, and the shorter guy weaved so far down it looked like he was studying the tile floor for an exam or something, anyways shorter guy was looking at floor the whole time, let a rear lead hook fly and before I could say holy fuck the bigger dude was folded in half completely unconscious from the 1 single punch the shorter guy threw. I mean it was just gorgeous how perfectly timed and placed it was, but the fact that a perfectly executed concept, with a fucked up technique, can still get your ass out of a sticky situation, the whole bar bought that guy drinks, including me
The thing is, if you are only ever textbook, then you are ALWAYS predictable, and the only way you win is if the other guy is textbook and you are bigger, faster, stronger. The key is to knowing context and to know your body mechanics. The textbook stuff you master, was only to make you understand and become comfortable with your body mechanics and to understand WHY certain things are better than others in a basic context. If you're actually trying to win fights, you can't be predictable unless your predictable has better physicality than the other guy's predictable. Also, things start to go south and people get desperate and start doing things different, so if you're in a winning position, you can bet your opponent, if he has the drive to win, will stop being predictable and you have to be able see it coming. That's just nature, baby.
What are rules and techniques when you could be 5'3 and fight a 5'10 guy the same weight
If you always stuck to the rules this sport would be boring and have 1 body type for striking and 1 body type for wrestling
Was so good to see this. Just like flow sparring. This should be called creative sparring or goofy sparring or h2h sparring. Should be part of every club. So many gyms have these rules. No you cant switch stance, no you cant drop your hand, no you cant use high kicks, no you cant have a long guard. Next time Ill just say I am creative sparring h2h style.
It really makes sense that the winners especially tend to have to break some of the rules. as the competitors both have knowledge of all or most of the fundamentals, I feel like you play off the fact that they have much knowledge as you do, so there are suspected reactions.
I call that dip fade invasion hook a "gorilla hook" because that is pretty much exactly how they fight. Head off center and leaning dodge overhands. Or they will do like a square off and sumo pummel. Or they will do like a hop kick backwards. Actually they do a bunch of moves.
Technique is an application both in attack, parry, block and counterattack. Form defines the efficiency of execution of those techniques.
You should use the proper terms when teaching a subject. A technique would be a round house or thai kick. The proper way of executing it would be the form.
Col. Jeff Cooper wrote that a technique/tactic, no matter how bad, if executed so fast there was not intelligent way to counter it, is a good technique/tactic. It is great to have perfect technique and perfect tactics, but speed and accuracy outweighs it. Do work on better techniques and tactics, but do emphasis speed. Get into your opponents OODA loop and stay there.
ragnar lothbrok
Muhammad Ali did everything wrong and became the GOAT anyways
I know that you said "not to abandon fundamentals" toward the end of the video, but I don't feel as though you're expressing yourself clearly here. You're saying at the beginning of the video to do "everything wrong." What you should be saying is to do "everything wrong--at the right time."
I remember a year or two ago you showed a double leg where you chopped the leg at the hip or mid thigh, and I made the comment that you should be chopping at the knee. You said "what if I told you that it didn't matter." I responded saying that it might not matter in a street fight, but it would in a wrestling match--which probably isn't expressing myself all that great either. There are example of high level guys--such as Jordan Burroughs--powering through guys with far knee chops with less than ideal hand placement on the knee. However, in those examples there are two things--he had phenomenal timing and setups to get that far deep so that his hand placement on the knee didn't matter as much.
I know this is the kind of thing that you're trying to get at, but I really don't think that you're expressing it succinctly or clearly and its very easy for you to be misunderstood here. These guys fighting at a very high level aren't just doing things "wrong" just to mess with their opponent, they're doing things wrong because they've maneuvered themselves into a position where it doesn't matter what their technique is at that point--except when it does and it fails, or except when they didn't maneuver themselves and it still works.
I think the difficult thing about fighting is that we like to think that this is all skill, and it mostly is. There's a huge difference between someone who has invested a lot of time training and someone who hasn't, but there's still that chance where you get in a fight with the crackhead at the 7/11 and hasn't trained a day in his life and lights you up.
Anyone can beat anyone and anyone can lose, that's the whole point of having a competition.
Yeah! Tell em just go look at roy jones jr or. Max holloway or. Canelo Alvarez. Or. James light out tony. Prince nasim. And. Last put not least. the drunken master emanuel augustus
Mike are you channeling Bruce Lee or Curly from the Stooges when you are slipping Nates punches. I hear both.🤔😂
Gene Fulmer reverse croosarm choping jab and marchstep overhand right, also sonny liston marchstep jab
Probably a coincidence, but this video comes across like a direct rebuttal to Ramsey Dewey's vid a few days ago on turning your fist and punching correctly.
Don't need to watch, learn the fundamentals, throw a hook from the feint. Not an issue.
Always learn the fundamentals. Easy
I actually love this video. But u cannot replace the basics for beginners. They need to learn the standard teckers for there own moves and how to counter and to know what most people are going to throw back at them. And the basics are simple tried and true. But some of the best fighters are unorthodox for exactly that reason. It's near impossible to read. It's tricky it's confusing. Also new moves and techniques are created all the time. This can only be done by going unorthodox and off the generally taught path. But......all of the best fighters have amazing concept of the fundamentals. And every fighter needs this.
holy shit the one hour club. Yo!
To be honest I think it's a matter of expression and style. Some people invest more in fundamentals, some people like to be more unorthodox. One doesn't generally beat the other. I myself am a big friend of unorthodox boxing though. Emanuel Augustus is my favorite
I am convinced that anyone who poopoos this kinda thinking has never been in a fight. Training for you to hit or kick from no perfect position is key for any fight whether in a cage or da streets. Fights are chaotic and not choreographed so weird shit works all the time embrace it don't fight it.
@@empnadajhhh9469 implication being newbs are kinda stupid and I agree for the most part like 99% most part.
Once you know how to do it right you know how to do it wrong correctly.
Brilliantly put.
I have a stupid trick that works almost everytime (at least on hobbyists and amateurs, I never dared to try it on pros, I'm too busy trying to survive): I raise my right hand, like I want to ask a question or show my palm to them, and just jab. 80% of the time they look at my right hand and eat the jab.
A proper techniques overhand right would be just as good, I think u should train with proper technique then spar.. Of course technique decrease during sparring but I Don t really get your point yet.. But it is fun
We use the same principle in swordsmanship. In fact the Polish sabre techniques enjoy unorthodox and unanticipated techniques so much that a functional aspect of their sabre designs developed because of it. This idea of perfection is present in every art and it's frustrating. If we only ever do anything to match someone else's standard of what is and isn't considered right or perfect and what does and doesn't work, then we miss so many things that do work and exceptionally well but people have the stick lodged so far up their arse they won't try imperfect things and that's why so many fighters remain as only decent fighters. They've got no imagination. Technical fighters can be brilliant fighters but the guys with imagination at the top levels become champions.
Top fighters in the ring and Octagon CAN do everything perfectly, and so they CAN do everything wrong and still prevail in a fight.
If you're facing off against someone dangerous I'm pretty sure flow, confidence and adaptability beat 'perfect' technique. < Disclaimer: You have to actually be well drilled in the first place.
If someone has great technique and great flow they can beat someone with great flow but lesser technique. Marco Antônio barreiras sends his regards to prince nasseem. Mike when he was at his peak also did everything by the book when u talk technique . So they can breaking the techniques if they have better timing speed and stuff, but if other shit is equals
, generally better technique wins
@@danielaragao9696 and that is Martial Arts my friend : )
I agree that you don't need to stick to the norms of jab cross and hands up but I think that's something different to technique. You can still throw a jab from the rear with technique. Not every strike will have perfect technique, but I wouldn't say therefore it doesn't matter. The better technique a given strike has the better chance of it landing, better power, better defense, So i would argue that some of what you are talking about is technique... just not the standard.
I think the rule is, if you are a rookie you need to be perfect, but if you are the champ then you can hold your hands down like Silva or Ali.
What's the point of this video? Usually we get some insight but this one seemed like a waste of time. No shit, if you're not a beginner you can start changing it up and breaking the rules. But 90% of your audience should be trying to get their form better because they are noobs. Pattern recognition so you can mix up your slips instead of the same way when you hit mitts. Yea no noob is going to pick that up and any experienced person knows that.
Why does icy mike turn into prof zoidberg when he’s slipping punches 😂😂
Yesssss using the weight of your head to throw a punch. I don't think there's a wrong way of doing things, there's just unexplored ways of doing them.
In the kicking thing, does it teach side kicks? Because then I can't buy it, because it clearly doesn't work. *clip of wonderboy knocking down vincente with a side kick*
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Gabriel Varga called that a corkscrew punch?
Most people who say that technique is over-rated are just too lazy to learn proper technique. It doesn't really matter what the field is, amateurs train until they get it right; professionals train until they can't get it wrong. Bad habits are bad habits, no matter how you want to justify or rationalize them.
You want flavour, one man comes to mind. Emanuel Augustus.
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
@@Aro2001 *tips hat*
The holy mostly unreached grail of traditional martial arts.
Learn the form to then break it.
And make it your own.
Uncreative and fearful people tend to forget that.
"Get whimsical"
Ok. Behold the _spinning gazelle punch_
I gotta question. What’s a good balance between technique and flavor for you guys?
If you're a martial artist you want things to be efficient. If you want to be a professional fighter you want to be entertaining. I don't want to entertain myself in a self defense situation. But if I'm doing a demonstration or a professional fight that needs butts in seats to pay me for I'm going to be Roy Jones amount of entertaining... or try to be, more likely I'll personally end up being on my back. Lol