Dr. Feigenbaum on Low Back Pain at Fort Irwin (Part I)
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- This lecture was filmed on December 4th, 2019 at Fort Irwin, California. Drs. Baraki and Feigenbaum discussed low back pain causes, risk reduction, and management with the soldiers and medical staff. Parts 2 and 3 will be published in the coming weeks.
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Apparently, from the subtitles, I was listening to Dr Burton fighting bomb and Dr Barakamon. Very cool!
Barakamon (ばらかもん) is fantastic btw
@@andrewknox92
Is this a Digimon?
I knew Baraki couldn't be human with such a good squat! He was a Digimon the whole time!
Me: Trying to sleep, to facilitate adequate recovery from training.
BBM notification at 3am local time: Time for some brain gainzzz.
Cues: Mike Tyson post fight interview: - "i broke my back. Spinal."
I'm 37 and have a diagnosed/confirmed (via MRI) bulged/herniated S1 disc. It's about 5 years old. It creates a good amount of "pain" in my "lower back" but is not muscle-related (by this time I can tell the difference). I get tingling down my leg into my right foot/toe. The pain close to my spine is a searing/nagging pain that feels like someone is pinching me deep into my back close to my spine. There are times it hurts too much to stand. Sometimes I can't walk (I can walk but it's very uncomfortable). I've gone to chiropractors (fake science) and physical therapists. The PT works, somewhat, but mainly it's just doing floor extensions that sometimes work and sometimes don't. In 5 years the pain has never gone away besides when I'm sitting or lying down (but even then it can hurt or get aggravated). It aches at night. I'm not a surgical candidate and I refuse to take pain meds (beyond Ibuprofen)
Through it all, I kept working out. I refused to let this thing stop me. For the first 4 years, I stopped doing anything lower body related cause I thought squats and DL's would make it worse. Running was/is difficult. Stretching my hamstring makes it hurt. But I pushed through (sticking to sprints and no long runs). But I couldn't lift and do things like I wanted and slowly gained weight. Some of that was muscle, just due to the extra calories and upper body lift, but I wasn't fit anymore. I became so frustrated.
Then I found Barbell Medicine. Listening to their talks related to lower back pain and pain management has shown me I'm not broken and can still lift. Back in March of 2019 I started deadlifting and squatting again. Pain is still there, especially after squatting. I'm not healed. Unfortunately, it seems like I'm one of the 20% or so whose symptoms may never go away. My DL and squat numbers suck. It's almost (is) embarrassing. But I'm doing it. I'm still overweight and am trying to figure out what to do about that but at least I'm lifting again.
So I guess I wanted to say thank you. I love picking up heavy things and BBM, even though I'm not a client, helped me get over the mental side of the injury.
I feel you, I have the same exact problem. Keep grinding.
Keep pumping it my brother. The body will adapt. The work you are doing in the gym is supporting your body, building it, not breaking it down.
Why are you not a surgical candidate? I thought an MRI confirmed disc bulge and chronic pain would be the ticket.
Max Badstibner there’s really no correlation between back pain and disc herniations. Doctors often get a patient with back pain and perform an MRI and see a herniation and assume it must be the problem. Data has shown that disc herniations are normal to occur in the human body as you age. Look into the work of Dr John Sarno.
How are you doing today?
I was getting the shakes without my bb medicine. Glad for the fix.
I have to rewatch this masterpiece of a lecture every few months.
Thank you! Please keep up the amazing content. I share it with as many people as possible! 💪🏽💪🏽
Golden stuff, as always. Thanks BBM!
Well presented Jordan! Looking forward to part two.
Best content all time on back pain and pain in general. Thanks for the info.
Give your barber a big tip, looking sharp there Jordan! :P
pure gold as always
Thanks for posting, Doc! 10/10 again! Best lifting channel on YT
What a great video but more importantly the information!!!! I’m like 🤯.... will def be spreading this video around..... man, we need to get you guys above 100k subs.... this is a crime that more people arent watching this.... can’t wait for part 2
Never enough people watching this stuff great work
I’m going here for NTC in May. Can’t wait to listen to this whole thing later. Barbell Medicine should have millions of subs. Love the channel. You guys are awesome.
Excellent talk Dr. Feigenbaum. I watched the series in reverse order accidentally, but this was an excellent overview of what Dr. Baraki covered in more detail in his longer discussion. Speaking as a non-clinician, I am to the best of my ability utilizing your approach to addressing issues or concerns regarding pain associated with training experiences expressed to me by friends and family members where possible.
This was so so solid and approachable for newbies to your teachings! I’m sending this to everyone I know who’s had LBP or thinks their back is fragile.
Nice talk Jordan.
Well done, doctor. I hope your message got through to at least a few people in the audience.
Sweet lecture!
I understand that mental part of pain. When I enter the gym and sit down to put on my shoes for that days program, individual parts of my body starts giving me pain. I was fine in the morning getting ready to leave but then at the gym I have pain. Never has stopped me from doing the work. Looking forward to part two.
I get this too. I’m fine all day, then when I start getting ready to go, I feel pain in my knee or wrist
Feigenbaum's fade too sharp
Drip too hard
Looool The caption said “Dr. Burton fighting bomb”
Feeling better already!
Good stuff big dog
my back was hurting before the video and now its not
Who is that 'mkay' you keep adressing?
Thank you very much for the information though!
Jens the audience, mkay?
PLEASE do one at Fort Bliss.
Can someone link the MRI study ?
Ive heard two people in the last 24 hours sing praises of their chiropractors and their now non existent back pain. I just keep my mouth shut.....
Chiros work wonders. The issue with clinical trials is you have to adjust everyone the same and you can’t cater the intervention to the individuals condition. There is about 8 different ways to adjust one vertebrate. Hence adjustment for “low back pain” in a trial setting is a Joke.
@@thomasvanpetten9835 are you a chiropractor?
my back pain has been persistent for 7 months now. the first 3 months it was fine and peaked for a competition no worries but in these last 4 months I've become pretty debilitated. not being able to squat or deadlift 135lbs without sharp pain and live with soreness 24/7 what do?
Looking thick doc 💪🏼. Are you going up a weight class?
Mustachio Burt indeed I am.
Main cause of double the amount of back pain, we do sit-ups for our APFT.
Not at all related. See their material on pain and exercise.
@@Delta3angle I have, thank you for your insightful response. They brought up the point that the Army has the majority of complaints of back pain when compared to all the branches.
What was Dr. Feigenbaum's residency in?
that BEARD! 😱
What's that sound in the outro? Could anyone help me out?
Pandaraps - Sitcom Tv Ending
Prednisone did make me feel great after 3 days of the worst back pain I ever had in my life.
The opening stat about incidence of low back pain maybe be explained by totals each branch. There are currently just under 200,000 active duty Marines and just under half a million active duty US Army. If he just meant "incidents," This explains it. If he meant "incidence rate," I don't know what explains it.
It’s incidence rate. It’s nearly double that of marines, for example.
@@BarbellMedicine Thank you!
Maybe Marines are less likely to report injuries?
The marine corps cut out the sit up exercise for the crunch years ago. The army did not. I had a platoon sergeant whose idea of a good pt session was to run 3 to 5 miles at a 7:30 pace, then spend the next hour doing alternating sets to failure of pushups, pullups and situps four days per week. We ruck marched on the 5th day. Because he wanted us to all pass the apft. Walked three discs out of my lumbar (took 8 months to get an mri while I was in) and have been dealing with that ever since. Careful periods of strength training have helped keep me relatively symptom free, but I have periods of excruciating pain that last days to weeks and keep resetting my progress in the gym.
@@jdhill770 how are your symptoms now post Marines?
Are you guys done making PeriRx or what? Been trying to get it for awhile now. Also, I really prefer the non-caffeinated version in watermelon.
Mr. Thundercles it’s being restocked for shipment as we speak!
@@BarbellMedicine Awesome, thanks.
0:13 fucking bravo
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Diagnosed with facet joint syndrome and its been 5 months....
Great talk. I will still trap bar deadlift rather than conventional to "protect" my lower back though :)
Backpacker Backs don’t need “protecting”, and trap bar deadlifts don’t “protect” it compared to regular deadlifts anyway.
I’m 19 and have DDD
I've never been first
And you never will be ...
Jordan looking swole AF
Excellent! The dislikes are from malingerers demanding a permanent profile due to their unwillingness to do the work necessary to pass the ACFT (or APFT).
So everything he talked about definitely is caused by multiple factors... not can be, but ARE. I couldn't disagree more. Even if we debate subjectively with the pain, using hunger as an example ruined it for me. I never eat when others eat nor when I think it's "time" there are days I eat 3 meals and there are stretches nearly 2.5 days long where i dont eat because I'm just not hungry. While pain is widely more subjective, there's no getting around the hunger aspect debunking the entire argument. I'm only 7 minutes in so he could have corrected that but I'm not listening any further at this point.
Consider the audience Doc. The soldier demographic is 18-50. Stats about an older population isnt really applicable. The majority of commands in the Army do not understand the stress, recovery, adaptation model. The focus is on the stress with nothing on recovery. The adaptation is injury instead of strength. The Army preaches Soldier Athlete. The majority of the soldiers were never competitive athletes and do not understand the difference between being hurt and being injured. That may fit your biosocial model.
Recovery is not a factor we can influence. It's a passive process.
@@Delta3angle Active recovery is not passive.
It’s certainly something you can facilitate
I'm really waiting for the Berlin Q &A video to drop cause I want to see the collective gasp and subsequent cognitive dissonance when folks hear/see Baraki voted for Trump.
Hard to maintain respect for someone as intelligent as Baraki who looks at Trumps' grifter rhetoric and goes, "I want this for the next 4-8 years."
It was a joke I hoped would be obvious. Alas, I was mistaken.
@@BarbellMedicine *immense sigh of relief* I was on a big struggle bus trying to put those two things together. I think not seeing Baraki's face/body language makes it hard for podcast listeners to be able to get full context.
@@feruspriest Who cares about politics, just get strong
@@madgoldnzstrength is great. Folks supporting grifters are untrained in one or more arenas of the mind.
@@feruspriest but enough about Clinton ;)
Speaking as a x-GI, I gotta say BS on this location...