I did my undergrad in the US on a scholarship, then worked for 3 years, and I'm now doing a master's in France (also on a scholarship as an international student). To be honest, I still will vouch for the degrees because not everyone is made to be an entrepreneur and the world still needs workers with general critical thinking skills. Also there will always be certain fields where degrees are necessary. Less so in the creative and entrepreneurial fields, but no one is going to let you be a doctor, lawyer, pharmacist or researcher without a degree. If your goal is to start your own business, yeah it's true you probably don't need a degree, but you definitely need experience (as you both mentioned). College is one way to get that especially if you don't have access to networks in the career fields you want. I don't think college is for everyone and that should 100% be a legitimate choice. But that doesn't mean college is not worth it. There have been countless academic studies that show that certain colleges, mostly state colleges, are still one of the surest ways of upward social mobility for people of lower socio-economic backgrounds. I think the question of whether or not college is worth it is highly individual and is connected to personal academic and career goals. We need to be having the "is college worth it for you?" conversation in the US way earlier than post-grad because yeah, in lots of ways, higher education is sold in the US like a magic cure-all potion for career advancement when the fact is that it is not for everyone. No shade and no shame in that! Obviously! All that being said, as an American living in France, I've also learned a lot about degree inflation in Europe. You pretty much can't even apply for a typical "full-time" job in any field unless you have at least a master's. I think it mostly has to do with the fact that higher education is nearly free here. If you want to continue with school, it's easy to do so. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Super interesting topic!
I second this! But I think the necessary idea to extract from these videos is that learning doesn't stop outside of college, even if you're currently taking classes. Precious knowledge is available to all of us, and we can become just as well-rounded and maybe even see a new path for ourselves we wouldn't have seen, had we stuck to formal education solely.
Thank youuu, these youtubers always speak from experience but dont realize not everyone can or wants to work like they do, their advice is only valuable if you take the same path they did
I actually work in research with someone who doesn't have a degree. It can happen with the right experience and school of Life. I am aware this is the exception and not the rule, but once you have passed the first few steps in your career, you may shoot ahead with or without a degree.
Degrees are also generally shorter in most of Europe... A bachelor is usually 3 years and then you can do a master in 1... So for the length of time of an American bachelor, you get a master (and no debt)...
my major was english because i wanted to write or teach in some way. my english professor in my first semester at university gave me a C grade on my paper. no marks to show me what i did wrong. naturally, i approached him during office hours about what happened. he legit told me i had an A paper but it was so close to the beginning of my college life that he didn't want me to think i was already good enough. he wanted me to strive for better and said if he gave me the grade i deserved, i would coast through.. that is why i dropped out. I'm not paying all that money for someone to fuck up my grades 'just because'. i also found out that you can test out of classes. so im in the process of self-teaching (using the free internet and free harvard classes being offered) and ill get a 4 year degree in 2 years. just because they force at least 2 years for the money.
jaees michelle my currentish (the semester’s almost over) English teacher put barely any corrections our drafts, so we think “oh well we’re fix this and it’ll be good”. Nope…we get them back and we all have C’s just for her to say a C is good lol
@@noone9472 well it wasn't completely his fault. i didn't have a purpose for being there aside from everyone else telling me to go. it was a bunch of money i didn't have, all i did was drink because i was depressed and it was 'social'. i needed to start working full-time to get an apartment.. i actually finished out the whole year so i passed his class and the next semester i dropped classes until i was part-time and lost financial aid. so i didn't really plan to dropout but i had no desire to go back the next year. so it was a combination of things and he was the icing on the cake of making me hate being there 😅
Me: Not knowing what I'm going to do next semester RUclips: *Keeps recommending me dropout videos* Me: Ahaha I mean... maybe? Edit: This is the most likes I've ever gotten on a comment lol thanks y'all!
This video makes me really glad that my education in Finland (including college) is free. The system there in the USA is not equal at all because of the expenses. Education should be available to EVERYONE period.
Yes! Plus you get paid for being a full time student and you can get help to pay your rent! So it is fully possible to go to college and live on your own without being in debt as long as you have a job in the evenings/during the weekends or even just during the summer.
I took a gap year, randomly found the passion of my life, and now that gap year is the best decision I have ever made. Now I’m on track for a career I’m so fucking excited for without debt. TAKE YOUR TIME. Don’t pay for things you are not 100% sure about. Don’t let anybody tell you that you can’t have what you want. That’s bullshit. Fuck them and do what you need FOR YOU.
Honestly considering the same for next semester. I go to university in Jamaica and I'm in first year. Half of the people that I've talked to are pursuing university as a plan A when in truth its a plan B because they're not sure how to pursue their actual dreams.
Hanna Berhe 😂 lol. Yep I think my parents will understand if I can find an alternative. I’ve had the y’all with my mom but just about the semester off. We will see.
oh honey, let me tell you. I'm a student from the US but I'm studying in Finland. When they say that Finland has one of the best education systems in the world, they ain't playin. I absolutely agree when Sara mentioned regular universities vs. vocational schools. I'm a business student concentrating in hospitality and tourism management (HTM), but I couldn't take HTM classes until my third year because of other required classes, like science. How does knowing what types of rock is which gonna help me in business, like ??? I'm exchanging in a vocational school in Finland for HTM and rather than reading textbooks and doing written assignments tests, we learn practical things, even just as simple as holding 3 plates at the same time when waitressing. I have worked in 2 pop-up restaurants and did an upselling at our school. Plus, I don't remember having any class that does not include group work. We are always taught how to communicate and work in teams and create real-life projects together, because very rarely will you be working completely independently without needing to communicate with anyone. I've even discussed the education system in Finnish grade school with my Finnish boyfriend. A lot of their work is handy work, and I feel like actually getting up and doing handsy work, exercises the mind so much more than book work. They do things in middle school that I do in high school. They are ahead of the game. They are so smart, not just book smart but they keep themselves very much updated with what's happening in the world, rather than just in their own little bubble (at least those I've met). As for in the US, it truly is a game. This money isn't just paying for college education; it's paying for credits. There are classes you can take *in high school* which you can get college credits, BUT you have to pay for those credits, even though you still took that class and still took in the knowledge. I'm going to school in Finland BUT this cannot tranfer to my home university unless I pay for the CREDITS that this is counting towards--even though I've already taken in this knowledge. We don't always pay for the education itself; we're also paying for your credibility because if I don't have any type of certificate or document that *officially* says I learned this... society tells us it's not worth it. ok I'm done aha.
I graduated college a few years ago and I'm still happy with my decision to continue. I, fortunately, attended a state school on a scholarship. I will say from a learning perspective I didn't take much out of it. As a person, I grew exponentially more comfortable in social settings, made some of my best friends, and studied abroad. I know those things are all possible without college but I don't really know how/if they would've happened FOR ME without it.
“Do not train a child to learn by force or harshness; but direct them to it by what amuses their minds, so that you may be better able to discover with accuracy the peculiar bent of the genius of each.”
I just want to drop a little bit of the other end of the spectrum because I think it's valuable! There's lots of schools that have minimal gen eds and allow you to choose whichever courses you want, and many degrees (as most probably know) are vital to a lot of fields. I think this video is more fit for those that are looking to make their living solely in a creative field but anyone who's on the fence keep in mind what you really want to do and understand college is SO worth it if you put the effort and energy into availing all the opportunities/resources!
Kritika Sharma 👏🏼👏🏼 I feel like when it comes to college, you just have to be smart about. Choose the right that will make good income, use that income and invest! Also there are ways around loans too
I believe that if someone wants to go to college they should 1. Know what they want to do and what will make them happy; and 2. Plan out every aspect: what will my major be, what job will I look for after college, where do I want to live, what is my end goal. Because if you go to college unsure about what you want to do or feeling pressured; that’s when you’ll probably waste money and/or regret your decision. Do what makes YOU happy, not what you think you have to do.
I'm grateful for the connections I've made and for certain experiences in college, but you can 1000% go without it. Learning and education doesn't need to be so boxed in 🤷♀️
The only classes I took at university that interested me were French. I realized that it was pretty pointless to get a degree in French as I would never actually use that degree. I'm already so much in debt and I only spent two years at school. Better to just save my money to travel and learn languages that way than to sit in a classroom all day wanting to be elsewhere.
I'm a computer science major in Brazil and I can say with all honesty, college is the worst part of my life so far. I had so many professors that told to my face "Your life is over now that you're in College" and another one who said "That's the worst part of your life". I don't sleep well, I don't have time to eat, I'm constantly working (I have a full time job), I'm constantly studying. I don't have time to do anything that really brings me joy. I love coding, but I love other things as well.
Ahhh that bit where Sara was talking about you having to look out for yourself and in the grand scheme of things it’s better to have a rocky two years of awkwardness with your parents then resenting them! That’s exactly what Gary Vee says whenever talking about college!
I’m sorry but i don’t know how it works in usa but here in France teachers give you updated courses lol It’s like unprofessional for a teacher not to do that and they will be ashamed lol
Can confirm, I'm a teaching assistant in France and the professor for my course updates the lectures throughout the year in order to avoid misleading students.
I graduated last year with a degree in Computer Science, everything Sara said, I can totally relate. Definetely was not worth it, but I can atleast bring it up in conversations that I have a degree in Computer Science.
@@jofranco exactly. Four years of my life. Lol. At least in my country the government pays close to 80% of your fees when you perform well in high school. The loans aren't that bad.
@@caciliawhy5195 yes. The money is there in tech. But the funny thing is, everything I need to make that money, I had to learn on my own. Including the actual programming, which is basically what my course is supposed to be about. Wasn't taught in school. We took a lot of theory classes, and computer science isn't a theoretical course. It's a practical one.
I loved my first year of university and really wanted to finish but I had to drop out of my dream school after one year because I got really sick and had to spend the following 2 years trying to save my life full time. I really appreciate videos like these because as I recover, I know that full time college isn't the best thing for my health and isn't an option for me, but I sometimes worry that because of this I won't be able to make any of my dreams happen. this video has given me so much courage to accept the path that the universe has given me and live a boss life without a degree
I'm currently in college but honestly mainly because all the cards played out just right for me. I'm lower middle class and did well in high school so my schooling (of which is my dream school and a large uni) is paid for through scholarships +more that helps me live. I worked jobs all throughout high school so making up the rest to live debt free is quite easy for me. I am living off campus because dorms are so much more expensive and I never understood how so many are paying double to live in the dorms, paying $10 in "dining dollars" for repetitive, bland food for each meal, and other expenses for living on campus. It's nice to hear other's who think like me, because if I were to live on campus I would be going into debt. Right now I know I'm making the right decision because luckily my major here is very updated and prime education, plus - for me it's free. But if my circumstances change I am fully prepared to take the knowledge I have and dropout because a degree isn't needed for my career field - and additionally I'm still lucrative on exactly where I'll end up. Thank you for this, this was very encouraging and reassuring. It made me feel thankful for my situation, but also proud of myself for working hard early on and capitalizing on this opportunity. I hope others can be reassured and/or learn from this convo as well :)
I’m American but I have Finnish citizenship so I decided to go there instead in order to avoid debt so far it’s been a great move bc my school is more focused on getting us hands on experience
When I was in University I had a professor tell me something that just makes sense for this conversation: University is NOT meant to prepare you to be a professional. University is meant to prepare you to be an academic. That's why you learn to write papers, do reasearch and stuff, and the "carreer" someone who goes to university should expect to lead is to get a masters and then a doctorate and become a writter, a researcher or a professor. And academic skills are still very valuable in many areas. See what is happening right now with the virus, the researchers in universities and other alike entities are doing amazing work in trying to develop a vaccine or find medication that works, etc. So it's not worthless as you point out in this video AT ALL, the problem is solely that when you are 17 no one tells you this, and you go to University thinking you are going to acquire skills to be a professional in the area you like, when actually, If you want to acquire skills to be a professional in other areas, you shouln't go to university.
As someone who LOVED college, I think it's totally bogus for you to claim that college vloggers are "lying" about enjoying college. Your experience is NOT everyone else's experience.
I just don't understand HOW people have to pay that much in the US for a degree?? Here in Spain, and especifically in my area, Andalucía, we only have to pay for the first year (around $800) and if we pass all the subjects or modules (not even getting amazing grades, you just have to pass the tests) the other 3 years are free. And a master's degree would be around $800 again, unless you want to go to a private uni, but it's usually not worth it. How can the two systems be SO different? Where's all that money that US students pay going?
I've been trying to convince myself to go to uni for 2 years now. But honestly for my mental wellbeing and what I actually want to pursue, it's so not worth it. Videos like this are so helpful. Because I'm surrounded by people who tell me to just go to uni and then follow my dreams after that. At the end of the day, they aren't lying in bed thinking about your life and how unhappy you are
I officially dropped out of college last year and the 3 years before I spent 4 semesters in different schools to find a "better fit" for me. I discovered that I didn't know what I wanted from the education I was consuming so I knew I would never find the best school for me. I gave up on school to live my life, work full time, and pursue a new hobby. I'm planning on creating a business with this fun hobby that I love! My parents still want me to graduate college so I could get a better job. But I can't justify struggling through college for a status. I think the skills I've learned through working are far more valuable on my resume.
Currently in my second year of Arabic and French at Edinburgh University in Scotland! I'm from the Republic of Ireland (EU member) so the Scottish government pays for my tuition! It was slightly harder to get into university because they are less willing to take scholarship students, but now that I'm here, it's amazing!
this video was so insightful! As a Canadian I think I have a different perspective about university because it’s WAAAAAAYYY cheaper here than in the states. It’s sad money is a huge reason why people have such a negative view about post secondary education
$$$ The reason I dropped out of college in the States and moved to Canada ! Studying in French means I pay Canadian tuition which is like 4000 USD a term instead of int'l. Most worthwhile decision I've made in my 21 year life.
I love love love this video!! I graduated high school in 2016 and never went to college I’ve been feeling guilty about it until pretty much last week Thank you so much for this insight ❤️
I’m still someone who wants to finish college somehow. However, because I have a vestibular disorder which makes it so darn hard for me to go outside of my house, take commute, and be in an actual physical school, I have not been able to go in one. And for years, I beat myself for not being healthy enough to finish College. I had to drop out 6 years ago due to my condition. My whole world broke apart then. Just when I had become so determined to do something important in my life, then it happened. 😭 It’s hard for me to accept that I am someone who did not go to College, when the rest of my family have all graduated from it. It also adds to my guilt the fact that i’m an immigrant and our family moved here in Canada so we get better opporutinities here. My parents sacrificed so much for us and I can’t even finish school for them. 😭Although I know being sick is not my fault, nor was it my choice, I just can’t help but blame myself somehow. But lately, my interest in business and entrepeurship has spiked. I looked up quick crash courses online about it and am planning to take it for a month. Hopefully this will help me start something and be able to work from home. I really want to pay my parents back for all their sacrifices. I have to be successful for them! I want them to retire with ease. 😭
Yes!! I find it hard to find words that properly express how much I love what you do Jo. Yet again such an interesting and important conversation, and so wonderful to be introduced to Sara. Thank you!!
Also I want to add that I think it so important for high school students to do extensive research before applying to colleges!! There are so many opportunities you may have and more often than not, your high school counselors won’t help you find them. For example, I wish I did research on the processes of going to college in Portugal which is my home country. I only ever heard what my family said about it being hard. But if I had the opportunity to study there now I would totally take it
Sooooo I relate to Jo completely! I went to college during the recession in ‘09 and I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. Everyone around me was saying college was the way to go, that I wouldn’t amount to anything without a degree. So I went. UGHHHHH!!!! To this day I’m still paying of $25K. Every time I look at my degree I want to scream. No one talked to me about the value of college, what happens after you take out loans, what happens if you change your major 4 times. I WAS SO LOST! And now I’m paying for it. I’m hoping to be fully done paying my loans in 4-5 years. It just sucks know I’m funneling all this money into my school debt when I DONT EVEN USE MY DEGREE! One day when I have kids I’m deff teaching them the pros and cons of college. I’m glad I have a degree at the end of the day but was it necessary? Not really.
i’m in college right now for english education but i since i want to be a teacher i know i have to get a degree lol. will be drowning in debt but! i do love teaching and want to be able to possibly teach in other countries and travel just have secure benefits and whatnot, but totally admire people who want to branch out more with their careers. i wish i could do it!
Coming from an American currently teaching English in Costa Rica, you can definitely teach abroad without a degree. Of course you need a TEFL or TESOL degree but you can do a one month certification program for that instead of spending four years and tens of thousands of dollars getting a Bachelor's in Linguistics/TEFL like I did. My college degree wasn't even taken into consideration when I applied to teach here! It all depends on which country you want to teach in as well as what you want to do after you return home if you get tired of teaching. Best of luck!
I'm currently a college student who has just this semester finally determined what I want to study-- after spending two years at two other colleges studying other things that I tried to force myself to like and didn't, and then doing a gap year last year, where I learned sooo much while working. Even though I love the college that I'm at now and the major, the building debt freaks me out and I sometimes wonder if it's worth it. BUT I do have a job on campus that I love and hopefully is a stepping stone to what I want to do after graduating.
I am an art student in Brazil. I get very scared sometimes because it's so hard to live by art in a country that doesn't value it. At least we have free public universities... but the current government is trying to take it down.
As someone from the countryside of Austria, I am once again completely in shock as to the disgrace that is the US education system. I go to University in Vienna for a 4-year-degree in English and History in the teacher's Programme, afterwards I have to major in these exact subjects for another 2 years, so 12 semestres overall. It's a lot, I know, but University is free (okay, 20€ per semestre haha) and it is so so so worth it for me. Right now, I am in Spain on an Erasmus Exchange, and I get so much financial support that my life abroad is cheaper than my life in Vienna. Most of the people I have gone to middle school with have either started a 3-year apprenticeship at the age of 15 and are now independent individuals, or they went through 5 instead of 4 years of highschool and have an apprenticeship included. Either way, there are so many options to be a financially independent individual when you're 20. To hear of the situation in the US fills me with dread, and I am so sorry for all the young students out there who feel forced to go to college just because of the lack of other options. :(
Jo’s story of how she got denied an award because she was successful in business upset me so much. A friend shared a story of how her teacher wanted to deny her an academic award she won because it was at the beginning of her academic career and she was told she still had time to win again. My friend is Black and luckily her mother advocated for her. I was held back a grade because even though I was way ahead of everyone else academically, I was too young in their eyes to move forward. I ended up spending that year as my teacher’s assistant, helping her tutor my classmates and not learning anything new. Can’t help but wonder if this mostly happens to people of color in the US. We are constantly being held back. When we do get a career, we get paid less and are constantly getting passed over for promotions.
Don’t pay an arm and a leg to go to college, instead, just remain super close to some of your hs friends that go to the state university in your city and just hang with them on campus and occasionally sit in on some of their classes. I swear it’s the same thing lol and just read books and watch RUclips videos lol.
I am Honduran and we have the same problem in superior education in public's college. The main problem for me, is that teachers here don't have any experience in the field that they are teaching. There teach through books.
@@jofranco I studied on the public college which is the main here (UNAH), and there are many regional centers and I studied in one of those because there is one on my hometown. Here the registration every period (3 months) is very cheap I think are like $ 20, the extra money that you spend depends of you; copies, transport, food, and those things... but here study is very cheap. The private universities are another story and not every of them gives quality education. I think some of those private colleges have more extra-change experiences and have better technology. The most populars private colleges here bringt the opportunity of loan because is a lot of money and I think they have the same method that is use in USA. But in general here, if you choose public education you can easily make it, because you don't need to paid a lot, maybe is more expensive when you move from you hometown, and it's important remember that here the salary is very low in comparison to USA. Maybe that's the reason why the percentage of people educated here is very low.
Hi girls !!! It was such an interesting video ;)) I have mixed feelings about it though ! I agree with you, on a lot of points, clearly nobody should go to college because they feel obliged to, and of course they shouldn’t study something they don’t like. I am a Spanish young woman who is studying in Paris an undergrad double degree (not sure that’s how you call It in English) in philosophy and economy (not business, economy). And to be honest I always was a brilliant student who never knew what to study after high school, so I just chose a degree in what interested me the most. When my three years are done, I don’t want to be a teacher, and definitely don’t want to have a job that studies theories either in economy or philosophy. Still, what I’m studying is incredibly interesting and I just love my life as an independent student in Paris. This experience will give me much more than just a university degree, these are being years so full of learning, discovering... and I’m really happy here. I understand that compared to the 200$ that cost my university year here, the thousands of dollars you pay in the USA are preposterous. And I’m saddened to see its consequences, because I feel like English (for example) is not useless, just like literature, philosophy or history aren’t either. They are culture, and it is true that culture can’t be monetized, the majority of the time, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t important. Culture is what builds you up as a person, what helps you have a open mind, what builds your critical mind ( which you use to vote, to know when you’re being lied to...). It’s probably a very French way of thinking, but personally those are things I have continued to reflect on during my university years, during this time, I have read more books than ever, and I have learned to love them, I have studied a lot of different philosophies, I have understood how our economic world works. And sure, I don’t feel super comfortable doing an excel, or thinking about my ngo finances, but I’m questioning and finding my core values, on top of wich I will build the rest of the house. And time is for sure money, but I feel like trying to maximize every hour, day, year of our lives is tiring, because not everything is quantitative. I’m sorry for the long comment, I just felt like I had to say those things ( knowing how privileged I am to live the life I’m living ). Loooove ❤️❤️
Want to be an actor and singer and went to a performing arts school my entire high school. I really wanted to go to school in the city but I couldn't afford it (even with the loans girl. ...imagine). Literally EVERYONE told me to go to the theatre program at my home uni and I took out loans and went for a year and a half only to be doing things I did in grade nine. I related to everything in this video people really need to discuss the value of college.
Dear Jo, I think that it would be interesting to show the other side of the coin on this topic, to get a different perspective; many people, especially RUclipsrs, share this attitude toward post-secondary education. However, as an academic myself, I disagree with a lot of the things that are said here. Not only that, but I think that some of what is said in this video is factually inaccurate, misinformed and somewhat unfair. As a suggestion, I would recommend that if you are going to continue this series, that you should try to engage with and showcase differing attitudes, opinions and perspectives on your channel, and not simply those attitudes, opinions and perspectives that coincide with your own. I agree that it is important to have a dialogue, but we cannot achieve this when only one side of the story is being told. I think that we all can learn from each other, but when hubris and bias come into play, they stifle learning and any potential dialogue that we might have. For a channel that advocates global citizenship and mutability, it would be an egregious oversight and even paradoxical to exclude a variety of opinions from the content that you produce. I hope that efforts are made to amend this in the future. Sincerely, A faithful viewer
Currently battling this right now - feeling lost, pursuing a degree I don't see value in, AT ALL, but I just don't know what else to do? What- go work in an office 9-5 in the meanwhile until I "find myself?" perhaps being more miserable there than at least free with my class schedule? I don't fucking know. It's driving me nuts. WHAT do you do when you don't like college but see no other alternatives at the moment? its so fkn frustrating. I wish THAT question was answered.
Same. I really didn't know what to do in high school which is why I went to college. But I don't have the money to be in school at all so I have been going in and out and in and out for about 4 years now. What I can say is this. In the video they talked about getting internships and working in the field while in school. Absolutely try to do this. If you don't see the value in your degree but don't know what else to do, see if you like the field you are currently studying for. Do you like the work? Can you see yourself doing it? Can you see yourself caring enough to make connection? Cause they do help. Another option is to take a semester or a year off. Honestly, I spent a year turning around in circles in my head trying to figure out what to do if I wasn't in college, and even though it was painful, I did figure out that I want write. Be an author, editor. But I also like the field that I am studying, so I am trying see how I can either get a job in the field or start writing so I can save up money to finish school without acquiring anymore debt. It takes time to figure things out. And then even after that you have to figure out how to work for what you want. But hopefully in the end it is worth it.
@@priscillelikum2742 I appreciate the response. My situation is rather unique, I took TWO years off and went and worked for a lot of large-scale companies in a variety of roles. I'm sorry to say but "it takes time to figure things out," isn't an action plan for me. Then again, we cant all expect someone tell us exactly what to do to reach our goals, if it was that easy, everyone would do it.
So the first year of University in New Zealand is free now, and the rest is about $5000 USD per year. But a lot of degrees are three years, so it’s not that bad. Also you don’t have to pay the loan back until you make a certain amount.
@@khushilunkad5544 well the taxes is the same in Denmark, based on the income. It's a lot, but at least we don't have to pay for education ;) But I would love to go to India one day!
*I dropped out this term to pursue flight training and RUclips and video and everything else. I still want to complete my Bachelors bc I AM halfway there, but I’m not pinned on it bc tbh I’ve learned a lot of life learning and living than being in a classroom. love what you talked about in avoiding loans, and about weddings being too damn expensive!* 💰
Love this video! My experience was bit different. Since when I was young, I knew that if I had the opportunity, I would choose to be a singer. However, living in the Philippines was quite hard, No RUclips videos. All you had to do was go to the city (Manila) to be able to be known an of course there was only a slim chance to be on the telly. In the Philippines or probably in most third world countries, if you tell society you are going to choose Arts over conventional jobs, they'd laugh at you and they'd think you are crazy because basically 'that just won't feed you'. So I chose to do nursing as everyone used to take that course lol. Then at 17 my mum went to the UK and she took me there and there I realised I could actually choose any course I wanted to do as it was free. I was so happy there was a music course so I went for it and studied music. For me I am thankful there are music courses out there to help me improve my technique etc. Then university came, it was helpful though I got the student loan and I also dropped out. Now I'm singing covers on RUclips, singing at gigs and vocal coaching full time. I'm thankful I had the education but also I took student loan. I just wanna say don't be scared to take risks sometimes but also get an advice from a professional who is doing something you'd love to do (professionally) not anyone who does a completely different job lol. But also if you want to be a doctor, lawyer etc then of course you'd need an education from a med school or a law school and not just wing it lol . Anyways sorry for the long comment! I love these types of vids! Finally I find some people I can relate to! Thanks Jo
Thank you so much for this video!! makes me feel more confident about my decision to not return to college, even though i was almost done :/ I went to school in both canada and the US and both were essentially the same (not worth it), though in canada they require less gen eds so you are able to focus more on classes for your major. I feel at peace not being in school even if I'm not exactly sure which path to take next. the hardest part about dropping out has been dealing with comments/questions from others... love you so much Jo
I'm at the end of my degree for cs and really just need to write my bachelor's thesis so it would be pretty stupid to drop out now, but yeah, i can't wait to get out. I'm from Europe so university was essentially free which is great and I feel like it was good for learning the basics but everything else you have to teach yourself and a lot of the time I was just checking boxes.
I needed this video I’m currently an electrical engineering major and I hate it. I’m only going to college because my mom wants me to be an engineer. It’s scary to drop out, but it’s better than hating my life.
I wanted to dropout so bad but my parents would not allow it back then. Thanks for providing this information so younger people won't make the same mistakes I did.
I so agree with everything you both said. I've worked 3 different jobs since graduating business school and NO ONE ever asked to see a diploma. They just don't care. It's all about work experience, the internships you did, the soft skills you learned while working shitty student jobs...
You mentioned how freedom was worth the loans. I'm in a situation where I'm planning on transferring somewhere else from a community College. My career does require a degree as I want to teach English language but I'm wondering if I should save a lot of money and stay locally or maybe commute and spend a bit more, or become an ra and live there (although that's competitive) or just dorm and take out loans. I'm wondering if spending more money and taking out loans (which won't be too too high since I plan on cuny and state school) is worth it for the freedom as I've been in this hometown for most of my life, where I feel SOOO limited. So I just have to sit with these decisions and decide in the next week before my application deadlines arrive. I'm pretty cynical about this whole educational system as you both mention and I feel that the whole college experience many mention is kind of sold by these institutions to make money off of us. Sure it may be worth it in some cases but I wonder if it is worth it in most.
This was a good discussion. I am currently in my master's degree because that is what's required for my field, but I honestly sometimes wish I could have skipped undergrad and came straight here. I truly did not need my B.A in English: Language and Literature. It somewhat helps for where I am just as far as the skills that I used, but that's really all. My mom is convinced that the only way to survive is with a degree and as I am getting older I am getting slightly more comfortable with telling her that we have different opinions. I know that "back in her day" that's how things went, or maybe they didn't, either way, it's all about perspective. There are sooooo many options and undergrad truly was some BS, but I am thankful for an easy degree and low debt. I was extremely blessed and attended early college so half of my college was free and with scholarships and grants, I owe less than 10k (for now). Graduate school is expensive though, however, it will be worth it for me. I plan to have a 9-5 plus entrepreneurial endeavors on the side (they won't require either of my degrees, just my passion). Working smarter and not harder is definitely the goal. Also, I will not be working until I die or I am unable. SN: Both institutions are HBCUs/ MSIs in the US.
This was so valuable. I got my bachelor in chemistry knowing I didn't want to get a medical degree or teach. So anxiously I started a masters just to not be doing nothing. I started working in a lab while schooling and discovered a histology associates at the community college. I honestly love it. I love being in the lab and I'm learning more lab skills than I am in a theoretical masters degree. Alot of family complained that I was hustling backwards but since none of them were paying my taxes I kept going. Now I'm using the associates as a travel histotechnologist and literally loving it. Paying off debt from a bachelor+masters vs a free associate's🙄🙄girl
I soooo, SOOOO agree with this!!! I got a scholarship, playing softball at a junior college and got my AA. After that, I still didn’t know what I wanted to do! So I tried a few different schools and racked up some crazy student loans!!! 😳 THEN...into my *30’s* I attended a coding Bootcamp and got an AMAZING job in San Francisco...making good money! (I recommend it to everyone!!!) Never in my life did I even *imagine* making decent money...but I got there. 🤷♀️ Also, I’m thankful I had *great* *insurance* - as I had a cycling accident that has left me disabled. I am extremely THANKFUL for good insurance!!!
I went and graduated from college and yes to an extent I do work in the field of my degree however: I’m severely hindered promotionally in my field because I could not afford a a graduate degree. That being said the only reason I do really well in my job is because of my experience outside of college. Had to tell my boss it sucks not being as promotable and coming in at a lower rank than those who have a graduate degree but no need for prior work experience and yet I chose experience and I don’t get credit for it.
Well I live in Europe and although I don't have to worry about money I really have no idea what I want to do with my life. I feel like 18 years old is not enough to know what i want to do for the rest of my life. Plus, my grades are not exactly the best so that limits a lot too. Great to know there are people lost like me :)
I love this! I'm a college graduate but I HATED it, I def don't recommend it as a first choice for HS grads. Also, I only graduated cause I had scholarships, federal AND state aid, also had reduced tuition cause I was in state and live at home welpppp. I couldn't imagine graduating any other way :/ good luck to everyone pursuing a college degree, stay strong y'all!
So in Germany I think the Max debt you can have to the state, because some students get support from there, is 10.000€ over the course of your B.A. but that is for something called BAföG and not everyone gets it, like when your parents ear over a certain amount of money you won’t get support from the state because they expect you parents to finance uni for you. I pay 250€ a semester for uni but it also depends where in Germany you study and how long it takes you. In some universities the longer you study the higher the price gets. We also don’t have these basic classes in uni. You literally only do the classes that have something to do with your studies and if you want to learn a language you can take free language classes that are offered to you. Oh also within the money you pay each semester you have something called the “semester ticket” with which you usually can use the public transport in your city for “free”. You save a lot of money on that for sure. So uni here is generally quite cheap compared to the US but like in good old German fashion we all still complain😅
I’m a college dropout and here’s my 2 cents: It’s true that once you get your first job then there’s a high chance of not having to mention your education anymore because you already got the experience, but what kind of job that you can get without a degree though? Even if a company accepts you, that means you are stuck there forever because you will not go through the HR filter at other companies because you don’t have a degree. Also, so many people in workforce even after decades are not able to get promotions because of the lack of degree. These are the things that I have read from people’s experiences online that we should consider. This video’s advice is better suited for people who are productive hustlers who can’t sit down and always on the move. Not everyone is like that. I think we should focus on making sure people spend the least amount of money possible by going to a cheap college and just do hardcore research about college hacks such as exam for college credits and so on.
I am totally all for dropping out if you don't see the value/don't need it/want to do smth else etc, BUT I will never understand people who drop out with only 1 semester left, seriously, if you don't suddenly get this amazing, once in a lifetime, huge opportunity that you can't postpone - dont drop out at almost the end!!! Just stick it out for a few months, and all of your debt will actually be worth something, if you will ever need a degree you will have it, if you decide to turn your life around it will be easier and so on
It's just astounding how different the US school system is from France's for example. The most I paid for a year of uni during my master's was 400€ (except from the cost of daily life and reading material obv), and I thought it was steep, hm. Anyway always interesting to learn about different experiences, it makes your reevaluate your own choices. I did the reverse with my studies, I started with dropping out of uni after 1 semester, then doing a two-year apprenticeship-school thing to be in publishing, but I knew I wanted to go back to uni, and would hate my life if I didn't. So I went back, didn't drop out, and now I'm a language teacher (I'm keeping up to date, don't you worry ;) ).
In general, the best universities in Brazil are the public ones. If you get a good score on the National Exam (after finishing high school) you can enroll in those universities for free. So, I've done that. I've studied Business in UFRJ, one of the Top 10 universities down here, for free.
You know, in Brasil the best colleges are free. But it has a cost, actually several costs like security, social issues, health, jobs, and the same problems you guys said, not up to date schools. In Europe the costs are very cheaper and the social security much better. So, if you can afford the loneliness and distance from your family, go to Europe. You could do to Portugal, once you speak Portuguese.
Probably the award was for scholars-research oriented students; aiming to an academic career. Similar award was given at my Uni too. Nothing awkward about it. There're differences between a professional in a field and a researcher in an academic field.
I had a very fortunate situation because even private college in Mexico is a lot cheaper (and it's not cheap, but much cheaper) and my mother is a scholar in the university I went to so I was candidate for a 90% scholarship (which was insane and a blessing). I actually grew up around the university, already had the whole lay of the land and had taken multilple classes there as just like a listener (I don't know if that is a concept elsewhere). So for me college was highly useful not so much for what I learned although the career was reaaaaally on point (most of my teachers were very much in the field) but because the approach of my university was to let students experiment, create their own projects and merge their career ideas with social work. So in the end I do owe a lot to the space, not so much because of the classes but because a lot was happening on campus and with all sorts of people (also we had access to masters and phd courses), oh and our system forces you to take a lot of complimentary courses that well used can give you the extra skills you need.
College/university in the Netherlands is increddibily different! For your first degree you pay ~ 2000 euro's a year, which you can loan from the goverment with (currently) zero interest. That loan you have to pay off within 35 years, but only after you start making a X amount in salary a month. If you haven't payed of the loan in 35 year it gets absolved. Your second degree is also ~2000 if you go a level higher(such as master's degree) or if you did not finish your first attempt, if this not the case then you pay ~10.000 euro's a year. We also get free public transport, but you have to finish a degree within 10 years, otherwise you have to pay back the travelcosts. Students from low income household might be eligable for government funding(which then the government pays (part of)your tutision) if the income of that household is below a certain treshhold
I’m a senior in high school currently applying to colleges. Now I really don’t know what to do with my life. So many people on RUclips keep saying that college isn’t worth it.
Keji Latio haha I was just thinking that. Can’t really RUclips how to perform cardiac surgery (or maybe you can, I haven’t checked-but you’d probably need a little bit more than that to be successful in your career)
I did my undergrad in the US on a scholarship, then worked for 3 years, and I'm now doing a master's in France (also on a scholarship as an international student). To be honest, I still will vouch for the degrees because not everyone is made to be an entrepreneur and the world still needs workers with general critical thinking skills. Also there will always be certain fields where degrees are necessary. Less so in the creative and entrepreneurial fields, but no one is going to let you be a doctor, lawyer, pharmacist or researcher without a degree. If your goal is to start your own business, yeah it's true you probably don't need a degree, but you definitely need experience (as you both mentioned). College is one way to get that especially if you don't have access to networks in the career fields you want. I don't think college is for everyone and that should 100% be a legitimate choice. But that doesn't mean college is not worth it. There have been countless academic studies that show that certain colleges, mostly state colleges, are still one of the surest ways of upward social mobility for people of lower socio-economic backgrounds. I think the question of whether or not college is worth it is highly individual and is connected to personal academic and career goals. We need to be having the "is college worth it for you?" conversation in the US way earlier than post-grad because yeah, in lots of ways, higher education is sold in the US like a magic cure-all potion for career advancement when the fact is that it is not for everyone. No shade and no shame in that! Obviously!
All that being said, as an American living in France, I've also learned a lot about degree inflation in Europe. You pretty much can't even apply for a typical "full-time" job in any field unless you have at least a master's. I think it mostly has to do with the fact that higher education is nearly free here. If you want to continue with school, it's easy to do so.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Super interesting topic!
Well said! I hate when these sorts of videos on RUclips totally skip everything you just said.
I second this! But I think the necessary idea to extract from these videos is that learning doesn't stop outside of college, even if you're currently taking classes. Precious knowledge is available to all of us, and we can become just as well-rounded and maybe even see a new path for ourselves we wouldn't have seen, had we stuck to formal education solely.
Thank youuu, these youtubers always speak from experience but dont realize not everyone can or wants to work like they do, their advice is only valuable if you take the same path they did
I actually work in research with someone who doesn't have a degree. It can happen with the right experience and school of Life. I am aware this is the exception and not the rule, but once you have passed the first few steps in your career, you may shoot ahead with or without a degree.
Degrees are also generally shorter in most of Europe... A bachelor is usually 3 years and then you can do a master in 1... So for the length of time of an American bachelor, you get a master (and no debt)...
The more I learn about USA the less I want to live there
Where you from?
lunarosa321 I’m French but living in Montreal for my studies.
I have a similar sentiment but the more I learn about countries all over the world makes me not want to actually settle in any of them.
this comment aged like milk
same and i’m american lmao
my major was english because i wanted to write or teach in some way. my english professor in my first semester at university gave me a C grade on my paper. no marks to show me what i did wrong. naturally, i approached him during office hours about what happened. he legit told me i had an A paper but it was so close to the beginning of my college life that he didn't want me to think i was already good enough. he wanted me to strive for better and said if he gave me the grade i deserved, i would coast through..
that is why i dropped out. I'm not paying all that money for someone to fuck up my grades 'just because'.
i also found out that you can test out of classes. so im in the process of self-teaching (using the free internet and free harvard classes being offered) and ill get a 4 year degree in 2 years. just because they force at least 2 years for the money.
I had that realization and was like ... wait, why am I valuing someone’s subjective opinion of my writing?
jaees michelle my currentish (the semester’s almost over) English teacher put barely any corrections our drafts, so we think “oh well we’re fix this and it’ll be good”. Nope…we get them back and we all have C’s just for her to say a C is good lol
did he end up knowing you dropped out because of him? I hope he does
@@noone9472 well it wasn't completely his fault. i didn't have a purpose for being there aside from everyone else telling me to go. it was a bunch of money i didn't have, all i did was drink because i was depressed and it was 'social'. i needed to start working full-time to get an apartment.. i actually finished out the whole year so i passed his class and the next semester i dropped classes until i was part-time and lost financial aid. so i didn't really plan to dropout but i had no desire to go back the next year. so it was a combination of things and he was the icing on the cake of making me hate being there 😅
Wow that is so messed up hope you wrote a review on them on rate my professor for that
Me: Not knowing what I'm going to do next semester RUclips: *Keeps recommending me dropout videos* Me: Ahaha I mean... maybe?
Edit: This is the most likes I've ever gotten on a comment lol thanks y'all!
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omg same! I keep seeing them and I'm like.... its time
This video makes me really glad that my education in Finland (including college) is free. The system there in the USA is not equal at all because of the expenses. Education should be available to EVERYONE period.
Yes! Plus you get paid for being a full time student and you can get help to pay your rent! So it is fully possible to go to college and live on your own without being in debt as long as you have a job in the evenings/during the weekends or even just during the summer.
I took a gap year, randomly found the passion of my life, and now that gap year is the best decision I have ever made. Now I’m on track for a career I’m so fucking excited for without debt. TAKE YOUR TIME. Don’t pay for things you are not 100% sure about. Don’t let anybody tell you that you can’t have what you want. That’s bullshit. Fuck them and do what you need FOR YOU.
As someone that is taking a semester off and considering dropping out fully because idk what I want to do, I really appreciate this video
Thank you for watching and listen to your gut!!
SAME!!!
Honestly considering the same for next semester. I go to university in Jamaica and I'm in first year. Half of the people that I've talked to are pursuing university as a plan A when in truth its a plan B because they're not sure how to pursue their actual dreams.
wait.....Genet,,,, you must be Habesha
good luck to you sister
Hanna Berhe 😂 lol. Yep I think my parents will understand if I can find an alternative. I’ve had the y’all with my mom but just about the semester off. We will see.
this is so accurate it hurts.
@ Kai Foster I love you 🤍🤍 even though you be coming for my zodiac sign
oh honey, let me tell you. I'm a student from the US but I'm studying in Finland. When they say that Finland has one of the best education systems in the world, they ain't playin.
I absolutely agree when Sara mentioned regular universities vs. vocational schools. I'm a business student concentrating in hospitality and tourism management (HTM), but I couldn't take HTM classes until my third year because of other required classes, like science. How does knowing what types of rock is which gonna help me in business, like ??? I'm exchanging in a vocational school in Finland for HTM and rather than reading textbooks and doing written assignments tests, we learn practical things, even just as simple as holding 3 plates at the same time when waitressing. I have worked in 2 pop-up restaurants and did an upselling at our school. Plus, I don't remember having any class that does not include group work. We are always taught how to communicate and work in teams and create real-life projects together, because very rarely will you be working completely independently without needing to communicate with anyone.
I've even discussed the education system in Finnish grade school with my Finnish boyfriend. A lot of their work is handy work, and I feel like actually getting up and doing handsy work, exercises the mind so much more than book work. They do things in middle school that I do in high school. They are ahead of the game. They are so smart, not just book smart but they keep themselves very much updated with what's happening in the world, rather than just in their own little bubble (at least those I've met).
As for in the US, it truly is a game. This money isn't just paying for college education; it's paying for credits. There are classes you can take *in high school* which you can get college credits, BUT you have to pay for those credits, even though you still took that class and still took in the knowledge. I'm going to school in Finland BUT this cannot tranfer to my home university unless I pay for the CREDITS that this is counting towards--even though I've already taken in this knowledge. We don't always pay for the education itself; we're also paying for your credibility because if I don't have any type of certificate or document that *officially* says I learned this... society tells us it's not worth it.
ok I'm done aha.
I graduated college a few years ago and I'm still happy with my decision to continue. I, fortunately, attended a state school on a scholarship. I will say from a learning perspective I didn't take much out of it. As a person, I grew exponentially more comfortable in social settings, made some of my best friends, and studied abroad. I know those things are all possible without college but I don't really know how/if they would've happened FOR ME without it.
“Do not train a child to learn by force or harshness; but direct them to it by what amuses their minds, so that you may be better able to discover with accuracy the peculiar bent of the genius of each.”
Whose quote is this?
@@anastasiah8683 Greek philosopher Plato.
I think some parents should consider this about there children.
Don't tell me to drop out, I'm 3 months away from graduating...
Lol! Hang in there! A degree is still a card u can always play when what u want to do in life doesn’t play out.
Did you graduate?
I just want to drop a little bit of the other end of the spectrum because I think it's valuable! There's lots of schools that have minimal gen eds and allow you to choose whichever courses you want, and many degrees (as most probably know) are vital to a lot of fields. I think this video is more fit for those that are looking to make their living solely in a creative field but anyone who's on the fence keep in mind what you really want to do and understand college is SO worth it if you put the effort and energy into availing all the opportunities/resources!
Kritika Sharma 👏🏼👏🏼 I feel like when it comes to college, you just have to be smart about. Choose the right that will make good income, use that income and invest! Also there are ways around loans too
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THIS. Thanks for sharing!
I believe that if someone wants to go to college they should 1. Know what they want to do and what will make them happy; and 2. Plan out every aspect: what will my major be, what job will I look for after college, where do I want to live, what is my end goal.
Because if you go to college unsure about what you want to do or feeling pressured; that’s when you’ll probably waste money and/or regret your decision.
Do what makes YOU happy, not what you think you have to do.
I'm grateful for the connections I've made and for certain experiences in college, but you can 1000% go without it. Learning and education doesn't need to be so boxed in 🤷♀️
The only classes I took at university that interested me were French. I realized that it was pretty pointless to get a degree in French as I would never actually use that degree. I'm already so much in debt and I only spent two years at school. Better to just save my money to travel and learn languages that way than to sit in a classroom all day wanting to be elsewhere.
I'm a computer science major in Brazil and I can say with all honesty, college is the worst part of my life so far. I had so many professors that told to my face "Your life is over now that you're in College" and another one who said "That's the worst part of your life". I don't sleep well, I don't have time to eat, I'm constantly working (I have a full time job), I'm constantly studying. I don't have time to do anything that really brings me joy. I love coding, but I love other things as well.
I felt like I taught myself during all 4 years and I only graduated because I was too far along.
This is how I'm feeling now! I really enjoy what I study but honestly sometimes the stress of achieving a certain grade, etc gets too much
Ahhh that bit where Sara was talking about you having to look out for yourself and in the grand scheme of things it’s better to have a rocky two years of awkwardness with your parents then resenting them! That’s exactly what Gary Vee says whenever talking about college!
I’m sorry but i don’t know how it works in usa but here in France teachers give you updated courses lol It’s like unprofessional for a teacher not to do that and they will be ashamed lol
Can confirm, I'm a teaching assistant in France and the professor for my course updates the lectures throughout the year in order to avoid misleading students.
I graduated last year with a degree in Computer Science, everything Sara said, I can totally relate. Definetely was not worth it, but I can atleast bring it up in conversations that I have a degree in Computer Science.
*brings it up everyday just to get your moneys worth haha*
And you will at least make some good money. Image the poor schmuck's who took english or history.
@@jofranco lmaoooo me!
@@jofranco exactly. Four years of my life. Lol. At least in my country the government pays close to 80% of your fees when you perform well in high school. The loans aren't that bad.
@@caciliawhy5195 yes. The money is there in tech. But the funny thing is, everything I need to make that money, I had to learn on my own. Including the actual programming, which is basically what my course is supposed to be about. Wasn't taught in school. We took a lot of theory classes, and computer science isn't a theoretical course. It's a practical one.
I loved my first year of university and really wanted to finish but I had to drop out of my dream school after one year because I got really sick and had to spend the following 2 years trying to save my life full time. I really appreciate videos like these because as I recover, I know that full time college isn't the best thing for my health and isn't an option for me, but I sometimes worry that because of this I won't be able to make any of my dreams happen. this video has given me so much courage to accept the path that the universe has given me and live a boss life without a degree
I'm currently in college but honestly mainly because all the cards played out just right for me. I'm lower middle class and did well in high school so my schooling (of which is my dream school and a large uni) is paid for through scholarships +more that helps me live. I worked jobs all throughout high school so making up the rest to live debt free is quite easy for me. I am living off campus because dorms are so much more expensive and I never understood how so many are paying double to live in the dorms, paying $10 in "dining dollars" for repetitive, bland food for each meal, and other expenses for living on campus. It's nice to hear other's who think like me, because if I were to live on campus I would be going into debt. Right now I know I'm making the right decision because luckily my major here is very updated and prime education, plus - for me it's free. But if my circumstances change I am fully prepared to take the knowledge I have and dropout because a degree isn't needed for my career field - and additionally I'm still lucrative on exactly where I'll end up. Thank you for this, this was very encouraging and reassuring. It made me feel thankful for my situation, but also proud of myself for working hard early on and capitalizing on this opportunity. I hope others can be reassured and/or learn from this convo as well :)
Thanks for writing all of this! Appreciate you sharing and yes seems like you made a great choice!
You came right on time! Thank you so much! High school class of 2020 right here!
I’m American but I have Finnish citizenship so I decided to go there instead in order to avoid debt so far it’s been a great move bc my school is more focused on getting us hands on experience
Hey Jo you should really put out a podcast girl! I love your advice videos. ❤️
Second the podcast!
When I was in University I had a professor tell me something that just makes sense for this conversation: University is NOT meant to prepare you to be a professional. University is meant to prepare you to be an academic. That's why you learn to write papers, do reasearch and stuff, and the "carreer" someone who goes to university should expect to lead is to get a masters and then a doctorate and become a writter, a researcher or a professor. And academic skills are still very valuable in many areas. See what is happening right now with the virus, the researchers in universities and other alike entities are doing amazing work in trying to develop a vaccine or find medication that works, etc. So it's not worthless as you point out in this video AT ALL, the problem is solely that when you are 17 no one tells you this, and you go to University thinking you are going to acquire skills to be a professional in the area you like, when actually, If you want to acquire skills to be a professional in other areas, you shouln't go to university.
As someone who LOVED college, I think it's totally bogus for you to claim that college vloggers are "lying" about enjoying college. Your experience is NOT everyone else's experience.
This is brilliant on many levels. Such great insights.
Thank you for watching!
I just don't understand HOW people have to pay that much in the US for a degree?? Here in Spain, and especifically in my area, Andalucía, we only have to pay for the first year (around $800) and if we pass all the subjects or modules (not even getting amazing grades, you just have to pass the tests) the other 3 years are free. And a master's degree would be around $800 again, unless you want to go to a private uni, but it's usually not worth it. How can the two systems be SO different? Where's all that money that US students pay going?
24:06 "If it's free, it's for me and it's for you too."
I've been trying to convince myself to go to uni for 2 years now. But honestly for my mental wellbeing and what I actually want to pursue, it's so not worth it. Videos like this are so helpful. Because I'm surrounded by people who tell me to just go to uni and then follow my dreams after that. At the end of the day, they aren't lying in bed thinking about your life and how unhappy you are
I officially dropped out of college last year and the 3 years before I spent 4 semesters in different schools to find a "better fit" for me. I discovered that I didn't know what I wanted from the education I was consuming so I knew I would never find the best school for me. I gave up on school to live my life, work full time, and pursue a new hobby. I'm planning on creating a business with this fun hobby that I love! My parents still want me to graduate college so I could get a better job. But I can't justify struggling through college for a status. I think the skills I've learned through working are far more valuable on my resume.
Currently in my second year of Arabic and French at Edinburgh University in Scotland! I'm from the Republic of Ireland (EU member) so the Scottish government pays for my tuition! It was slightly harder to get into university because they are less willing to take scholarship students, but now that I'm here, it's amazing!
why am i watching this since i love my degree and my school is free? well, guess i love your content jo. keep going!
this video was so insightful! As a Canadian I think I have a different perspective about university because it’s WAAAAAAYYY cheaper here than in the states. It’s sad money is a huge reason why people have such a negative view about post secondary education
One of the realest videos ever. You both spoke my whole experience and breakup with College 😅
$$$ The reason I dropped out of college in the States and moved to Canada ! Studying in French means I pay Canadian tuition which is like 4000 USD a term instead of int'l. Most worthwhile decision I've made in my 21 year life.
First of all JO, this finance content >>>>>>> loving IT. Wow the direction you’re going in is what RUclips needed
I love love love this video!!
I graduated high school in 2016 and never went to college
I’ve been feeling guilty about it until pretty much last week
Thank you so much for this insight ❤️
I’m still someone who wants to finish college somehow. However, because I have a vestibular disorder which makes it so darn hard for me to go outside of my house, take commute, and be in an actual physical school, I have not been able to go in one. And for years, I beat myself for not being healthy enough to finish College. I had to drop out 6 years ago due to my condition. My whole world broke apart then. Just when I had become so determined to do something important in my life, then it happened. 😭
It’s hard for me to accept that I am someone who did not go to College, when the rest of my family have all graduated from it. It also adds to my guilt the fact that i’m an immigrant and our family moved here in Canada so we get better opporutinities here. My parents sacrificed so much for us and I can’t even finish school for them. 😭Although I know being sick is not my fault, nor was it my choice, I just can’t help but blame myself somehow. But lately, my interest in business and entrepeurship has spiked. I looked up quick crash courses online about it and am planning to take it for a month. Hopefully this will help me start something and be able to work from home. I really want to pay my parents back for all their sacrifices. I have to be successful for them! I want them to retire with ease. 😭
I 100% agree with going to college in a big city. It added so much to my overall experience.
Yes!! I find it hard to find words that properly express how much I love what you do Jo. Yet again such an interesting and important conversation, and so wonderful to be introduced to Sara. Thank you!!
Also I want to add that I think it so important for high school students to do extensive research before applying to colleges!! There are so many opportunities you may have and more often than not, your high school counselors won’t help you find them.
For example, I wish I did research on the processes of going to college in Portugal which is my home country. I only ever heard what my family said about it being hard. But if I had the opportunity to study there now I would totally take it
Sooooo I relate to Jo completely! I went to college during the recession in ‘09 and I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. Everyone around me was saying college was the way to go, that I wouldn’t amount to anything without a degree. So I went. UGHHHHH!!!! To this day I’m still paying of $25K. Every time I look at my degree I want to scream. No one talked to me about the value of college, what happens after you take out loans, what happens if you change your major 4 times. I WAS SO LOST! And now I’m paying for it. I’m hoping to be fully done paying my loans in 4-5 years. It just sucks know I’m funneling all this money into my school debt when I DONT EVEN USE MY DEGREE! One day when I have kids I’m deff teaching them the pros and cons of college. I’m glad I have a degree at the end of the day but was it necessary? Not really.
How Sara walked away was how I decided to drop out of college. Best decision ever.
Melissa Castro yes! what’s your plans now??
@@wanderersdirect.9133 teaching myself Japanese and just getting online tutors. Hopefully it will lead to traveling more :p
I hate how much this made me realize. So thank you ❤️
Haha you’re welcome and thank you for watching!
i’m in college right now for english education but i since i want to be a teacher i know i have to get a degree lol. will be drowning in debt but! i do love teaching and want to be able to possibly teach in other countries and travel just have secure benefits and whatnot, but totally admire people who want to branch out more with their careers. i wish i could do it!
Coming from an American currently teaching English in Costa Rica, you can definitely teach abroad without a degree. Of course you need a TEFL or TESOL degree but you can do a one month certification program for that instead of spending four years and tens of thousands of dollars getting a Bachelor's in Linguistics/TEFL like I did. My college degree wasn't even taken into consideration when I applied to teach here! It all depends on which country you want to teach in as well as what you want to do after you return home if you get tired of teaching. Best of luck!
@@mystical_cupcake just to add it really depends on countries EG france they only hire people with TOEFL + college degree
I just graduated and I needed this video a lot sooner... thank you jo :)
I'm currently a college student who has just this semester finally determined what I want to study-- after spending two years at two other colleges studying other things that I tried to force myself to like and didn't, and then doing a gap year last year, where I learned sooo much while working. Even though I love the college that I'm at now and the major, the building debt freaks me out and I sometimes wonder if it's worth it. BUT I do have a job on campus that I love and hopefully is a stepping stone to what I want to do after graduating.
I am an art student in Brazil. I get very scared sometimes because it's so hard to live by art in a country that doesn't value it. At least we have free public universities... but the current government is trying to take it down.
Oh nooo :( good thing there’s the internet!
Amendoim Torrado try internationale semesters and try to meet and greet there so you can make contacts that valued your arts :)
Come to Europe , study for only 3 years and graduate without any debt. ;)
This didn't age well. In Jo's latest update she's decided to go back to school for a MA (I believe in film).
As someone from the countryside of Austria, I am once again completely in shock as to the disgrace that is the US education system. I go to University in Vienna for a 4-year-degree in English and History in the teacher's Programme, afterwards I have to major in these exact subjects for another 2 years, so 12 semestres overall. It's a lot, I know, but University is free (okay, 20€ per semestre haha) and it is so so so worth it for me. Right now, I am in Spain on an Erasmus Exchange, and I get so much financial support that my life abroad is cheaper than my life in Vienna. Most of the people I have gone to middle school with have either started a 3-year apprenticeship at the age of 15 and are now independent individuals, or they went through 5 instead of 4 years of highschool and have an apprenticeship included. Either way, there are so many options to be a financially independent individual when you're 20. To hear of the situation in the US fills me with dread, and I am so sorry for all the young students out there who feel forced to go to college just because of the lack of other options. :(
Jo!!!! I love your sweater where did you get it !??? Also I love your channel! The new channel and the former channels !
Jo’s story of how she got denied an award because she was successful in business upset me so much. A friend shared a story of how her teacher wanted to deny her an academic award she won because it was at the beginning of her academic career and she was told she still had time to win again. My friend is Black and luckily her mother advocated for her.
I was held back a grade because even though I was way ahead of everyone else academically, I was too young in their eyes to move forward. I ended up spending that year as my teacher’s assistant, helping her tutor my classmates and not learning anything new.
Can’t help but wonder if this mostly happens to people of color in the US. We are constantly being held back. When we do get a career, we get paid less and are constantly getting passed over for promotions.
Don’t pay an arm and a leg to go to college, instead, just remain super close to some of your hs friends that go to the state university in your city and just hang with them on campus and occasionally sit in on some of their classes. I swear it’s the same thing lol and just read books and watch RUclips videos lol.
The community is the most valuable part so if you can find it and still get knowledge while avoiding the debt you’re winning
I am Honduran and we have the same problem in superior education in public's college. The main problem for me, is that teachers here don't have any experience in the field that they are teaching. There teach through books.
Do you have the same loan and cost structure? Like is it super expensive to go to school?
@@jofranco I studied on the public college which is the main here (UNAH), and there are many regional centers and I studied in one of those because there is one on my hometown. Here the registration every period (3 months) is very cheap I think are like $ 20, the extra money that you spend depends of you; copies, transport, food, and those things... but here study is very cheap.
The private universities are another story and not every of them gives quality education. I think some of those private colleges have more extra-change experiences and have better technology. The most populars private colleges here bringt the opportunity of loan because is a lot of money and I think they have the same method that is use in USA.
But in general here, if you choose public education you can easily make it, because you don't need to paid a lot, maybe is more expensive when you move from you hometown, and it's important remember that here the salary is very low in comparison to USA. Maybe that's the reason why the percentage of people educated here is very low.
Hi girls !!! It was such an interesting video ;)) I have mixed feelings about it though ! I agree with you, on a lot of points, clearly nobody should go to college because they feel obliged to, and of course they shouldn’t study something they don’t like.
I am a Spanish young woman who is studying in Paris an undergrad double degree (not sure that’s how you call It in English) in philosophy and economy (not business, economy). And to be honest I always was a brilliant student who never knew what to study after high school, so I just chose a degree in what interested me the most. When my three years are done, I don’t want to be a teacher, and definitely don’t want to have a job that studies theories either in economy or philosophy. Still, what I’m studying is incredibly interesting and I just love my life as an independent student in Paris.
This experience will give me much more than just a university degree, these are being years so full of learning, discovering... and I’m really happy here. I understand that compared to the 200$ that cost my university year here, the thousands of dollars you pay in the USA are preposterous.
And I’m saddened to see its consequences, because I feel like English (for example) is not useless, just like literature, philosophy or history aren’t either. They are culture, and it is true that culture can’t be monetized, the majority of the time, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t important. Culture is what builds you up as a person, what helps you have a open mind, what builds your critical mind ( which you use to vote, to know when you’re being lied to...).
It’s probably a very French way of thinking, but personally those are things I have continued to reflect on during my university years, during this time, I have read more books than ever, and I have learned to love them, I have studied a lot of different philosophies, I have understood how our economic world works. And sure, I don’t feel super comfortable doing an excel, or thinking about my ngo finances, but I’m questioning and finding my core values, on top of wich I will build the rest of the house.
And time is for sure money, but I feel like trying to maximize every hour, day, year of our lives is tiring, because not everything is quantitative.
I’m sorry for the long comment, I just felt like I had to say those things ( knowing how privileged I am to live the life I’m living ).
Loooove ❤️❤️
Want to be an actor and singer and went to a performing arts school my entire high school. I really wanted to go to school in the city but I couldn't afford it (even with the loans girl. ...imagine). Literally EVERYONE told me to go to the theatre program at my home uni and I took out loans and went for a year and a half only to be doing things I did in grade nine. I related to everything in this video people really need to discuss the value of college.
Dear Jo,
I think that it would be interesting to show the other side of the coin on this topic, to get a different perspective; many people, especially RUclipsrs, share this attitude toward post-secondary education. However, as an academic myself, I disagree with a lot of the things that are said here. Not only that, but I think that some of what is said in this video is factually inaccurate, misinformed and somewhat unfair. As a suggestion, I would recommend that if you are going to continue this series, that you should try to engage with and showcase differing attitudes, opinions and perspectives on your channel, and not simply those attitudes, opinions and perspectives that coincide with your own. I agree that it is important to have a dialogue, but we cannot achieve this when only one side of the story is being told. I think that we all can learn from each other, but when hubris and bias come into play, they stifle learning and any potential dialogue that we might have. For a channel that advocates global citizenship and mutability, it would be an egregious oversight and even paradoxical to exclude a variety of opinions from the content that you produce. I hope that efforts are made to amend this in the future.
Sincerely,
A faithful viewer
Agreed.
Definitely!
Currently battling this right now - feeling lost, pursuing a degree I don't see value in, AT ALL, but I just don't know what else to do? What- go work in an office 9-5 in the meanwhile until I "find myself?" perhaps being more miserable there than at least free with my class schedule? I don't fucking know. It's driving me nuts. WHAT do you do when you don't like college but see no other alternatives at the moment? its so fkn frustrating. I wish THAT question was answered.
Same. I really didn't know what to do in high school which is why I went to college. But I don't have the money to be in school at all so I have been going in and out and in and out for about 4 years now. What I can say is this. In the video they talked about getting internships and working in the field while in school. Absolutely try to do this. If you don't see the value in your degree but don't know what else to do, see if you like the field you are currently studying for. Do you like the work? Can you see yourself doing it? Can you see yourself caring enough to make connection? Cause they do help. Another option is to take a semester or a year off. Honestly, I spent a year turning around in circles in my head trying to figure out what to do if I wasn't in college, and even though it was painful, I did figure out that I want write. Be an author, editor. But I also like the field that I am studying, so I am trying see how I can either get a job in the field or start writing so I can save up money to finish school without acquiring anymore debt. It takes time to figure things out. And then even after that you have to figure out how to work for what you want. But hopefully in the end it is worth it.
@@priscillelikum2742 I appreciate the response. My situation is rather unique, I took TWO years off and went and worked for a lot of large-scale companies in a variety of roles. I'm sorry to say but "it takes time to figure things out," isn't an action plan for me. Then again, we cant all expect someone tell us exactly what to do to reach our goals, if it was that easy, everyone would do it.
So the first year of University in New Zealand is free now, and the rest is about $5000 USD per year. But a lot of degrees are three years, so it’s not that bad. Also you don’t have to pay the loan back until you make a certain amount.
In Denmark education is free. And we even get paid. But it's only because we pay high taxes ;)
We’re all moving to Denmark make room for us
What's the tax rate?
@@khushilunkad5544 39 %
@@carinal8738 well, make room for me too xD. In India it's around 35-45% depending on the income group. And we pay plentiful to go to college lol
@@khushilunkad5544 well the taxes is the same in Denmark, based on the income. It's a lot, but at least we don't have to pay for education ;) But I would love to go to India one day!
*I dropped out this term to pursue flight training and RUclips and video and everything else. I still want to complete my Bachelors bc I AM halfway there, but I’m not pinned on it bc tbh I’ve learned a lot of life learning and living than being in a classroom. love what you talked about in avoiding loans, and about weddings being too damn expensive!* 💰
Whaaaaat! The best of two worlddssss Jo + Sara !
Love this video! My experience was bit different. Since when I was young, I knew that if I had the opportunity, I would choose to be a singer. However, living in the Philippines was quite hard, No RUclips videos. All you had to do was go to the city (Manila) to be able to be known an of course there was only a slim chance to be on the telly. In the Philippines or probably in most third world countries, if you tell society you are going to choose Arts over conventional jobs, they'd laugh at you and they'd think you are crazy because basically 'that just won't feed you'. So I chose to do nursing as everyone used to take that course lol. Then at 17 my mum went to the UK and she took me there and there I realised I could actually choose any course I wanted to do as it was free. I was so happy there was a music course so I went for it and studied music. For me I am thankful there are music courses out there to help me improve my technique etc. Then university came, it was helpful though I got the student loan and I also dropped out. Now I'm singing covers on RUclips, singing at gigs and vocal coaching full time. I'm thankful I had the education but also I took student loan. I just wanna say don't be scared to take risks sometimes but also get an advice from a professional who is doing something you'd love to do (professionally) not anyone who does a completely different job lol. But also if you want to be a doctor, lawyer etc then of course you'd need an education from a med school or a law school and not just wing it lol . Anyways sorry for the long comment! I love these types of vids! Finally I find some people I can relate to! Thanks Jo
Thank you so much for this video!! makes me feel more confident about my decision to not return to college, even though i was almost done :/ I went to school in both canada and the US and both were essentially the same (not worth it), though in canada they require less gen eds so you are able to focus more on classes for your major. I feel at peace not being in school even if I'm not exactly sure which path to take next. the hardest part about dropping out has been dealing with comments/questions from others... love you so much Jo
Seriously, you women are AMAZING!
I'm at the end of my degree for cs and really just need to write my bachelor's thesis so it would be pretty stupid to drop out now, but yeah, i can't wait to get out. I'm from Europe so university was essentially free which is great and I feel like it was good for learning the basics but everything else you have to teach yourself and a lot of the time I was just checking boxes.
I needed this video I’m currently an electrical engineering major and I hate it. I’m only going to college because my mom wants me to be an engineer. It’s scary to drop out, but it’s better than hating my life.
Love this conversation. At 46 reflecting back to high school I didn't have the college conversation. I went to the army.
I wanted to dropout so bad but my parents would not allow it back then. Thanks for providing this information so younger people won't make the same mistakes I did.
I so agree with everything you both said. I've worked 3 different jobs since graduating business school and NO ONE ever asked to see a diploma. They just don't care. It's all about work experience, the internships you did, the soft skills you learned while working shitty student jobs...
You mentioned how freedom was worth the loans. I'm in a situation where I'm planning on transferring somewhere else from a community College. My career does require a degree as I want to teach English language but I'm wondering if I should save a lot of money and stay locally or maybe commute and spend a bit more, or become an ra and live there (although that's competitive) or just dorm and take out loans. I'm wondering if spending more money and taking out loans (which won't be too too high since I plan on cuny and state school) is worth it for the freedom as I've been in this hometown for most of my life, where I feel SOOO limited. So I just have to sit with these decisions and decide in the next week before my application deadlines arrive. I'm pretty cynical about this whole educational system as you both mention and I feel that the whole college experience many mention is kind of sold by these institutions to make money off of us. Sure it may be worth it in some cases but I wonder if it is worth it in most.
I love jo's sweater
This was a good discussion. I am currently in my master's degree because that is what's required for my field, but I honestly sometimes wish I could have skipped undergrad and came straight here. I truly did not need my B.A in English: Language and Literature. It somewhat helps for where I am just as far as the skills that I used, but that's really all.
My mom is convinced that the only way to survive is with a degree and as I am getting older I am getting slightly more comfortable with telling her that we have different opinions. I know that "back in her day" that's how things went, or maybe they didn't, either way, it's all about perspective. There are sooooo many options and undergrad truly was some BS, but I am thankful for an easy degree and low debt. I was extremely blessed and attended early college so half of my college was free and with scholarships and grants, I owe less than 10k (for now). Graduate school is expensive though, however, it will be worth it for me. I plan to have a 9-5 plus entrepreneurial endeavors on the side (they won't require either of my degrees, just my passion). Working smarter and not harder is definitely the goal. Also, I will not be working until I die or I am unable.
SN: Both institutions are HBCUs/ MSIs in the US.
This was so valuable. I got my bachelor in chemistry knowing I didn't want to get a medical degree or teach. So anxiously I started a masters just to not be doing nothing. I started working in a lab while schooling and discovered a histology associates at the community college. I honestly love it. I love being in the lab and I'm learning more lab skills than I am in a theoretical masters degree. Alot of family complained that I was hustling backwards but since none of them were paying my taxes I kept going. Now I'm using the associates as a travel histotechnologist and literally loving it. Paying off debt from a bachelor+masters vs a free associate's🙄🙄girl
I soooo, SOOOO agree with this!!! I got a scholarship, playing softball at a junior college and got my AA. After that, I still didn’t know what I wanted to do! So I tried a few different schools and racked up some crazy student loans!!! 😳
THEN...into my *30’s* I attended a coding Bootcamp and got an AMAZING job in San Francisco...making good money! (I recommend it to everyone!!!)
Never in my life did I even *imagine* making decent money...but I got there. 🤷♀️ Also, I’m thankful I had *great* *insurance* - as I had a cycling accident that has left me disabled. I am extremely THANKFUL for good insurance!!!
I went and graduated from college and yes to an extent I do work in the field of my degree however: I’m severely hindered promotionally in my field because I could not afford a a graduate degree. That being said the only reason I do really well in my job is because of my experience outside of college. Had to tell my boss it sucks not being as promotable and coming in at a lower rank than those who have a graduate degree but no need for prior work experience and yet I chose experience and I don’t get credit for it.
Well I live in Europe and although I don't have to worry about money I really have no idea what I want to do with my life. I feel like 18 years old is not enough to know what i want to do for the rest of my life. Plus, my grades are not exactly the best so that limits a lot too.
Great to know there are people lost like me :)
That’s why I love being a creative student -it’s
Super up to date and accurate to the professional world. At least where I am :)
But I’m in fourth year now and learned to like it. I definitely hated it the last 3 years which is sad
I just graduated in cs and have a job, but I still have no idea what I really want to do! Could you give your thoughts on that please?!
I love this! I'm a college graduate but I HATED it, I def don't recommend it as a first choice for HS grads. Also, I only graduated cause I had scholarships, federal AND state aid, also had reduced tuition cause I was in state and live at home welpppp. I couldn't imagine graduating any other way :/ good luck to everyone pursuing a college degree, stay strong y'all!
WHERE did you get that DAmn sweater??!!!
So in Germany I think the Max debt you can have to the state, because some students get support from there, is 10.000€ over the course of your B.A. but that is for something called BAföG and not everyone gets it, like when your parents ear over a certain amount of money you won’t get support from the state because they expect you parents to finance uni for you. I pay 250€ a semester for uni but it also depends where in Germany you study and how long it takes you. In some universities the longer you study the higher the price gets. We also don’t have these basic classes in uni. You literally only do the classes that have something to do with your studies and if you want to learn a language you can take free language classes that are offered to you. Oh also within the money you pay each semester you have something called the “semester ticket” with which you usually can use the public transport in your city for “free”. You save a lot of money on that for sure. So uni here is generally quite cheap compared to the US but like in good old German fashion we all still complain😅
I’m a college dropout and here’s my 2 cents:
It’s true that once you get your first job then there’s a high chance of not having to mention your education anymore because you already got the experience, but what kind of job that you can get without a degree though?
Even if a company accepts you, that means you are stuck there forever because you will not go through the HR filter at other companies because you don’t have a degree.
Also, so many people in workforce even after decades are not able to get promotions because of the lack of degree.
These are the things that I have read from people’s experiences online that we should consider.
This video’s advice is better suited for people who are productive hustlers who can’t sit down and always on the move. Not everyone is like that. I think we should focus on making sure people spend the least amount of money possible by going to a cheap college and just do hardcore research about college hacks such as exam for college credits and so on.
As someone who just graduated high school and is contemplating university, thank you dearly for this video
I am totally all for dropping out if you don't see the value/don't need it/want to do smth else etc, BUT I will never understand people who drop out with only 1 semester left, seriously, if you don't suddenly get this amazing, once in a lifetime, huge opportunity that you can't postpone - dont drop out at almost the end!!! Just stick it out for a few months, and all of your debt will actually be worth something, if you will ever need a degree you will have it, if you decide to turn your life around it will be easier and so on
It's just astounding how different the US school system is from France's for example. The most I paid for a year of uni during my master's was 400€ (except from the cost of daily life and reading material obv), and I thought it was steep, hm. Anyway always interesting to learn about different experiences, it makes your reevaluate your own choices.
I did the reverse with my studies, I started with dropping out of uni after 1 semester, then doing a two-year apprenticeship-school thing to be in publishing, but I knew I wanted to go back to uni, and would hate my life if I didn't. So I went back, didn't drop out, and now I'm a language teacher (I'm keeping up to date, don't you worry ;) ).
In general, the best universities in Brazil are the public ones. If you get a good score on the National Exam (after finishing high school) you can enroll in those universities for free. So, I've done that. I've studied Business in UFRJ, one of the Top 10 universities down here, for free.
You know, in Brasil the best colleges are free. But it has a cost, actually several costs like security, social issues, health, jobs, and the same problems you guys said, not up to date schools. In Europe the costs are very cheaper and the social security much better. So, if you can afford the loneliness and distance from your family, go to Europe. You could do to Portugal, once you speak Portuguese.
Probably the award was for scholars-research oriented students; aiming to an academic career. Similar award was given at my Uni too. Nothing awkward about it. There're differences between a professional in a field and a researcher in an academic field.
Currently trying figure out my post-college-grad plans and this video hit me like a god damn TRUCK.
I had a very fortunate situation because even private college in Mexico is a lot cheaper (and it's not cheap, but much cheaper) and my mother is a scholar in the university I went to so I was candidate for a 90% scholarship (which was insane and a blessing). I actually grew up around the university, already had the whole lay of the land and had taken multilple classes there as just like a listener (I don't know if that is a concept elsewhere). So for me college was highly useful not so much for what I learned although the career was reaaaaally on point (most of my teachers were very much in the field) but because the approach of my university was to let students experiment, create their own projects and merge their career ideas with social work. So in the end I do owe a lot to the space, not so much because of the classes but because a lot was happening on campus and with all sorts of people (also we had access to masters and phd courses), oh and our system forces you to take a lot of complimentary courses that well used can give you the extra skills you need.
College/university in the Netherlands is increddibily different! For your first degree you pay ~ 2000 euro's a year, which you can loan from the goverment with (currently) zero interest. That loan you have to pay off within 35 years, but only after you start making a X amount in salary a month. If you haven't payed of the loan in 35 year it gets absolved. Your second degree is also ~2000 if you go a level higher(such as master's degree) or if you did not finish your first attempt, if this not the case then you pay ~10.000 euro's a year. We also get free public transport, but you have to finish a degree within 10 years, otherwise you have to pay back the travelcosts. Students from low income household might be eligable for government funding(which then the government pays (part of)your tutision) if the income of that household is below a certain treshhold
I’m a senior in high school currently applying to colleges. Now I really don’t know what to do with my life. So many people on RUclips keep saying that college isn’t worth it.
laughing about the fact I pay a little over 300€ per semester in Europe.
This came at the perfect time
Lol almost none of this will be helpful to anyone interested in healthcare in clinical settings - but for literally everyone else it makes sense
Keji Latio haha I was just thinking that. Can’t really RUclips how to perform cardiac surgery (or maybe you can, I haven’t checked-but you’d probably need a little bit more than that to be successful in your career)
Lol not for law either 😂😂